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rabidranger
02-11-2010, 11:11 AM
A friend pointed out how closely Rambo! Claire looked like younger (30ish) Eloise Hawking. Similar hair style, clothing, and weapon. Is it possible that at some point (a) version of Hawking died on the Island and as a "spirit" took over Claire's body when she died in the assualt on New Otherton?

beema
02-11-2010, 11:17 AM
You know, all of your posts have struck me as pretty logical up until now :p

I really can't see this happening at all. Claire's parallels with Rousseau were much more blatant. Making the leap from blonde girl w/ ponytail = reincarnated corpse of other blonde with a ponytail is too big a leap for me to take anyways...

rabidranger
02-11-2010, 11:41 AM
You know, all of your posts have struck me as pretty logical up until now :p

I really can't see this happening at all. Claire's parallels with Rousseau were much more blatant. Making the leap from blonde girl w/ ponytail = reincarnated corpse of other blonde with a ponytail is too big a leap for me to take anyways...

Right, which is why I can blame this theory on a friend... haha. Personally, I think the whole claimed angle still requires a lot of exposition.

Avius
02-11-2010, 11:46 AM
A friend pointed out how closely Rambo! Claire looked like younger (30ish) Eloise Hawking. Similar hair style, clothing, and weapon. Is it possible that at some point (a) version of Hawking died on the Island and as a "spirit" took over Claire's body when she died in the assualt on New Otherton?

Replace "spirit" with consciousness and I'll take the theory out for a spin.

rabidranger
02-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Replace "spirit" with consciousness and I'll take the theory out for a spin.

Avataresque? That would be cool.

RodimusBen
02-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Another one of these "body takeover" theories? It obviously didn't happen to Sayid, despite a bunch of people convincing themselves that his voice sounded different when he said "what happened."

There has never been evidence of a single body possession on LOST. Smokey did not take over Locke's body, he was apparently enabled to take Locke's FORM when Locke's dead body arrived on the Island. Not saying that it can't/hasn't happened, but there's just nothing supporting it at all.

rabidranger
02-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Another one of these "body takeover" theories? It obviously didn't happen to Sayid, despite a bunch of people convincing themselves that his voice sounded different when he said "what happened."

There has never been evidence of a single body possession on LOST. Smokey did not take over Locke's body, he was apparently enabled to take Locke's FORM when Locke's dead body arrived on the Island. Not saying that it can't/hasn't happened, but there's just nothing supporting it at all.

Fair enough. I'll be interested in seeing "claimed" fleshed out though.

beema
02-11-2010, 12:30 PM
Right, which is why I can blame this theory on a friend... haha. Personally, I think the whole claimed angle still requires a lot of exposition.

Yes, it does. Hopefully we'll get it soon. We've waited 4 whole seasons to see the "sickness" get revisited (unless you count the scene on the beach with Danielle last season). I still don't consider it to be a fully explained mystery. We have a "who," and maybe a "what" and "where," but we still need a "why" and "how."

Avius
02-11-2010, 12:45 PM
Another one of these "body takeover" theories? It obviously didn't happen to Sayid, despite a bunch of people convincing themselves that his voice sounded different when he said "what happened."

There has never been evidence of a single body possession on LOST. Smokey did not take over Locke's body, he was apparently enabled to take Locke's FORM when Locke's dead body arrived on the Island. Not saying that it can't/hasn't happened, but there's just nothing supporting it at all.

Some infection is taking over bodies, according to Dogen. What exactly is the darkness that takes over? Is there intelligence behind it? If Claire is not Claire, who is she?

rabidranger
02-11-2010, 12:48 PM
Some infection is taking over bodies, according to Dogen. What exactly is the darkness that takes over? Is there intelligence behind it? If Claire is not Claire, who is she?

The clear inference is people that become infected slowly lose their essence, who they really are. The question is: Who or what do they become? It can't just be husks for the MIB's army of goons. More questions than answers at this point I'm afraid.

Avius
02-11-2010, 12:53 PM
Yeah, it's truly the zombie season. Where is the redemption in soulless bodies?

rabidranger
02-11-2010, 12:56 PM
Yeah, it's truly the zombie season. Where is the redemption in soulless bodies?

Maybe redemption lies in the alt.verse? Or, maybe certain characters lack redemption? I mean, did Michael really get redeemed by his actions on the Freighter? Did that really make up for him shooting Ana-Lucia and Libby in cold blood?

RodimusBen
02-12-2010, 10:06 AM
Some infection is taking over bodies, according to Dogen. What exactly is the darkness that takes over? Is there intelligence behind it? If Claire is not Claire, who is she?
There's a big difference between an infection taking over someone-- even an infection that alters behavior-- and a character being possessed by another character.

Avius
02-12-2010, 10:52 AM
At this point, I wouldn't feel comfortable saying never because, well, can anything be ruled out? What's to say a consciousness hasn't traveled from one reality to another to take over a body? We've seen just about everything else so why not that? We heard the voice/words of Wayne come out of Sawyer's mouth.