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AdAstraPerAliaPorci
02-11-2010, 06:18 PM
Alright, so maybe someone else came across this too, and if so please redirect, but I was look at the blast door map (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Blast_door_map_notations) again just because I was curious and I came across this notation: "Aegrescit medendo" - Which basically means "The disease worsens with the treatment" or "He becomes ill by being cured."

Obviously, this fits perfectly with the pill that Dogen was trying to give to Sayid via Jack, as we eventually find out (through Jack's sweet move) that the pill is poison. I guess my question is - if you have to get worse before you get better does that mean the pill wouldn't necessarily kill Sayid as it obviously would have Jack? Would the pill have driven out the "infection" and left Sayid? Or if you take the first translation a little more literally -- would the pill have actually made the infection manifest itself in Sayid - making him angier, more evil - etc.?

There has to be some other connections to this little phrase that I'm missing. Or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill?

simone5p
02-11-2010, 06:21 PM
Actually great insight... what if the "vaccine" was the DI version of treatment?

AdAstraPerAliaPorci
02-11-2010, 07:24 PM
True, but Rad and Inman are taking the vaccine without ever having contracted the "sickness" right? So you would expect some kind of odd effect even with the lower dosage of a vaccine (Rad and Inman going crazy?) -- and if the vaccine is actually effective and non-lethal then why not give Sayid that instead of a pill that is clearly more dangerous?

(Other than it just makes Dogen that much more awesome.)

IrishCon
02-11-2010, 07:50 PM
Very interesting! One of the translations listed on Lostpedia is "He becomes ill by being cured." Perhaps the illness only occurs when someone is near death or has died? It would explain why so few people (that we know of) have contracted the illness.

Another translation was this: "The remedy makes the disease worse." Perhaps "the remedy" refers to the fountain. Maybe if Sayid hadn't drown in the fountain he would have just died and stayed dead.

I certainly think the blast door writing is connected but it may be too early to make any really educated guesses.

Lost_in_CA
02-11-2010, 08:24 PM
So glad you brought up the blast door map! i was thinking it needed a revisit and review. And I don't want the pill to really kill Sayid, although I think he isn't as important to Jacob as Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley. I love the guy but I think he's past saving, as he said himself.

I'd venture that the "he becomes ill by being cured" means the cure/pill will make him ill before he is actually cured. Makes the most sense to me.

UnderAlienControl
02-11-2010, 09:19 PM
I think the shots Des took mighta been for the time sickness. After all, he just came in on a random course and we know how that turns out. Seeing as how he took the injections for so long, and he didn't have an episode until he got flashed with the EM, I'm thinking that's what it was.

As for the poison pill, well I figure if it don't kill you it makes you stronger. Maybe it can drive the infection (possession) out, but it may not work all the time. Could be fatal for real when it doesn't work right. It's like Denzel in the movie Fallen. Smoking the poison cigarette and leaving the demon no where to go but into his dying body. Plus, I figured we would go into Pet semetary mode sooner or later, and I guess we are now there. Everything that came back from the old Micmac burying ground eventually had to be put back down again, and poison was used in the story.

Excerpted from Love and Death in Stephen King's Pet Sematary Copyright 1992-2001 by Terry Heller
Within the world of the novel, the Wendigo is physically confined to the wilderness unless someone buries a dead being, especially a human being, at the Micmac Burial Ground. Then, the Wendigo may send a physical manifestation of itself into the outer world by inhabiting the body of the dead one. If the dead one is human, the Wendigo's power in the ordinary world is increased. What is this Wendigo? What rules apply to it? What does it want, especially of Louis Creed?

The Wendigo seems to be a personification of evil, and its purpose, like evil in numerous stories from Shakespeare to William Blatty, is to undermine some essential aspect of the faith that makes life meaningful and preserves people from despair. Though the Wendigo is confined to the Indian Woods, except when it can inhabit a dead body, its influence seems nevertheless to extend beyond that area. At various points in the story, that power is felt to draw Jud and Louis to bury Church, to influence the truck driver who kills Louis's son, to help Louis send his wife, Rachel, and their daughter, Ellie, to Chicago so they cannot interfere with his plans to resurrect Gage, to prevent Jud from interfering with this plan, and finally to draw Rachel back to her death at the hands of the demon/Gage. Once one sees what may be the extent of the Wendigo's power over distance and its knowledge of persons and events, one wonders about how Louis becomes involved with it. At what point does he come under its influence? Does it nurture him from his birth, laying out a fate for him that must lead to his final encounter with the demon/Rachel? Or does it become interested in him only when he arrives in Ludlow? Why does it not continuously draw likely victims to it and use them in the way it arranges the fate of Louis Creed? These questions imply that we might consider the Wendigo not as the cause of Louis's fate, but as the agent of his repressed wishes. The Wendigo becomes active because Louis comes to it; its power depends upon human agents coming to it with purposes of their own, just as Jud did. And when they do, it makes real the secret purposes lurking beneath the consciously acknowledged ones.

Any of this seem just a little bit familiar?

I've checked out the blast door map, and two things stand out. All the Latin implies that somebody mighta been an undercover other (posing as Radzinski? Kelvin?) and the French makes me wonder about contact with Danielle. After all, she's a cartographer if I'm not mistaken...(<>..<>)
YouTube- Lost Orientation Guide - Special - Blast door map
YouTube- Lost Orientation Guide - Blast door map - Update

beema
02-11-2010, 09:54 PM
I've seen a couple people bring this up in The Sickness thread and elsewhere.
Problem with the BDM is what I mentioned in my thread about the smoke monster in the LA X forum:
both of the people who worked on the map aren't very reliable sources.

It is a nice tie in though.

AdAstraPerAliaPorci
02-12-2010, 01:26 PM
Here's my problem with all of this posession/Pet Sematary/zombie stuff that's flying around:

1. We all know MIB is not actually posessing Locke, he's just appearing as him. Locke's body is still clearly on the beach.

2. We have seen MIB (presumably) appear as non-dead people (Walt in the jungle), and Rousseau says her team contracts "the sickness" from going under the temple wall -- none of them close to death at the time (well, other than dude that gets pulled down, I guess)

Clearly there's a connection with dead bodies, but I don't think it's necessarily direct possession and I don't think they always have to be dead. I'm not sure how it all works, but the Carlton did joking say that Season 7 would be the zombie season --not season 6. I'm waiting for something else.

I think now that the pill will definitely kill Sayyid and somehow leave him un-claimable-- and I think he'll take what control he has left of his body and take the pill willingly-- soon.

Jax88
02-12-2010, 02:16 PM
2. We have seen MIB (presumably) appear as non-dead people (Walt in the jungle)

So, if MIB was Walt In The Jungle, it implies that he has some stake in whether or not the button was pushed (how did that debate end up, anyway? Did he say to push it or not to push it?)

Knowing what little we know about both Jacob and the MIB, would they care about the state of the EMF on the island?

NegativeEntropy
02-13-2010, 11:25 PM
i thought it meant something along the lines of "the cure is worse than the disease," which would also make sense b/c it kills you

beema
02-14-2010, 12:23 AM
So, if MIB was Walt In The Jungle, it implies that he has some stake in whether or not the button was pushed (how did that debate end up, anyway? Did he say to push it or not to push it?)

Knowing what little we know about both Jacob and the MIB, would they care about the state of the EMF on the island?

Well, if the button not being pushed ultimately leads to the island being found by more people, I would say that the MIB would have an interest in it continuing to be pushed, since he seems to want the island to be left alone, or at least wants Jacob to stop bringing people to it.