Where the crap did Ilana, Ben, Frank, and Sun come from?

Why would they sneak into the Temple while Smokey was on a rampage just so they could sneak back out?

wtf!?

I need to make a lolcat style image of them all popping through the door like the cast of Saved By the Bell with the caption "OH HAI!"

I almost burst out laughing when this happened.

Yeah, that was weird and kind of stupid. I didn't understand it either. I can't really recall why they said they were going to the Temple in the first place. To be safe? So why did they go in at that moment? To rescue the Losties?

Maybe they snuck back in to get their friends out since it appeared that Ilana seemed to know what was going on at the temple. Just a thought. I didn't think it was a big deal.

I agree. LIke an old episode of the A-Team or something. Very close to jumping the shark with that particular scene.

They originally headed to the Temple as the only safe place.

They probably arrived and saw all heck breaking loose.

Illana seemed interested in collecting up the "Candidates". "Where's Jarrah? Where's Jack & Hurley?"

Where the crap did Ilana, Ben, Frank, and Sun come from?

I almost burst out laughing when this happened.

Yeah, where did they come from? From burying Not-Locke to the Temple and right on time for happy hour. That's timing for you.

At first, I thought the nachos we were eating transported us to the future and we missed their trek through the jungle.

That was a weird. Just plain weird.

P. S. beema, meet me back at the Temple. And by "Temple" I mean the "Didn't Love It" thread. I have a feeling that's gonna be my home for a while. And bring the acid.

Loved the scene!
Even more interesting... Kate ended up with Locke! Yike!

I also like that Kate came back to the Temple (to get water?), despite just last episode specifically saying she was not going back.

So true....

They probably arrived and saw all heck breaking loose.


Right, and maybe I could understand Ilana going in, but if you're Sun or Frank and you see an enraged smoke monster flying around, you aren't going to run towards it.

Right, and maybe I could understand Ilana going in, but if you're Sun or Frank and you see an enraged smoke monster flying around, you aren't going to run towards it.

Unless Illana filled them in on the details while they were on there way...maybe she told them whats going on during their trip to the Temple.

Right, and maybe I could understand Ilana going in, but if you're Sun or Frank and you see an enraged smoke monster flying around, you aren't going to run towards it.

They definitely were running away. It seems they came in another way. And then went out a different way. The obviously didn't come through the front door. They probably came in and then were caught up in the action.

The scene may have seem rushed, but I think the writers wanted it this way. I mean, seeing more walking footage of them going to the temple and then arriving just to leave again... is that something anyone wants to see?

I agree. LIke an old episode of the A-Team or something. Very close to jumping the shark with that particular scene.


you shouldn't use phrases you don't understand. you obviously don't understand what the term "jumping the shark" means because you used it incorrectly.

I also like that Kate came back to the Temple (to get water?), despite just last episode specifically saying she was not going back.
Yeah..
I have to say that this whole episode made less and less sense as it went on. To the point where I wondered if it was intentional - flashback, flashforward, flashsideways, flashnoplace? Flashunderneath? What the heck is right. I can't even say I didn't like this episode - I can't even say I liked this episode. I can't even say I have a feeling about it.. at least not yet. So I'm thinking flashnoplace.

Right, and maybe I could understand Ilana going in, but if you're Sun or Frank and you see an enraged smoke monster flying around, you aren't going to run towards it.


yeah because sun who recently found out her husband is alive and according to illiana is at the temple... but yeah, your right, if sun thought jin was in the temple she would run the other way. that makes complete sense.:rolleyes:

yeah because sun who recently found out her husband is alive and according to illiana is at the temple... but yeah, your right, if sun thought jin was in the temple she would run the other way. that makes complete sense.:rolleyes:

yeah, certain death isn't a deterrent at all. you're right.

Hey Beema, no more thumb-twiddling Temple Others to deal with anymore. :)

I also like that Kate came back to the Temple (to get water?), despite just last episode specifically saying she was not going back.

She went back to the Temple because Jack told her (after she said she was going to the beach camp) that the Others at the Temple knew about Claire. Makes sense that she would go back to see if she could get some info.

Hey Beema, no more thumb-twiddling Temple Others to deal with anymore. :)

Hehe, yes, I suppose I got my wish! Almost frighteningly literally actually (I believe I said "I hope smokey goes on a rampage in the temple and crushes all the smug Others")

I didn't mind Lennon getting the axe, but it annoyed me that Dogen, the ONE guy who knew what was going on and seemed important to the show had his role ended prematurely.

They definitely were running away. It seems they came in another way. And then went out a different way. The obviously didn't come through the front door. They probably came in and then were caught up in the action.

The scene may have seem rushed, but I think the writers wanted it this way. I mean, seeing more walking footage of them going to the temple and then arriving just to leave again... is that something anyone wants to see?

Maybe they came in the front door while everyone else was running out. Kinda like walking backwards in the walkout line at a movie theater.

The fact that they just popped up out of nowhere seemed odd, but it did produce an element of surprise.

yeah, certain death isn't a deterrent at all. you're right.


so you believe if sun thought her husband was in immediate danger and was about to die she would run away and save her own life instead of trying to save jin's? ***Mod edited***

Why has Lost turned into a bad action movie and why is it cut back and forth with some second rate crime drama about the dangers of getting mixed up with organized crime?

Not only was it weird how they kind of showed up out of nowhere ---- I thought the exchange between Sun and Miles was really odd too.

Miles just spent 3 years on the island with Jin. He knew that Sun and Jin had been separated all that time. Miles knew Jin had been doing sector searches for her. So, the way he just so casually asked Sun where her husband was... was just weird.

Some of you are so busy looking for things to complain about lately that you're not even making sense yourselves.

Illana and co. were always headed to the Temple. I cant imagine why you'd think it any other way.

Why did Kate go back to the temple? (you guys have a short memory apparently)


from The Lighthouse

KATE: Yeah, I'm not going back to the Temple. [she looks at Jack] I'm going to find Claire.
JACK: Kate...
KATE: I'm going back to the beach camp. She might still be there, Jack.
JACK: Kate, she's not at the beach...The people at the Temple said that something happened to her.



The temple would be the logical place to go for information if you are looking for Claire.


As for 'Why did the crew go back to the temple'?


The first thing ilana says to Miles when they beat the door down is



''Where is Sherpard and Reyes? And ford?'' then a little bit later she asks ''Where is Jarrah? Is he here?''


It seems clear to me that she was doing a combination of warning and (attempting to) gather/save all of the main candidates (4,8,15,16,23,42) and get them in one group.


Also to note, she didnt ask about Jin or Sun which is why I a) think she is only going after the main numbers and b) Kwon is Sun and not Jin.

Some of you are so busy looking for things to complain about lately that you're not even making sense yourselves.

Illana and co. were always headed to the Temple. I cant imagine why you'd think it any other way.

Well put. Just to add to that is the fact that even if they saw the smoke monster flying around when they got there they would still be looking to save whoever they could. You don't just see the smoke monster and say "Oh well, I guess he wins. No point in trying to rescue anyone."

Ilana is a pretty pointless character.

Some of you are so busy looking for things to complain about lately that you're not even making sense yourselves.

Illana and co. were always headed to the Temple. I cant imagine why you'd think it any other way.

Agreed. Don't complain. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. If you don't like the ride, you can get off at any time.

It seems that Illana knew exactly where she was going when she found the secret door in the tunnel. Maybe she has the inside track on how to defeat Flocke? And she needs the candidates to do it, both of which would be good reasons to stick around after she saw what was going on.

There have been several instances of lazy writing lately. They could have just let Ilana say something like: "The temple master is dead? I guess we're too late then..." and everything would have been clear. Just one or two sentences and a lot of the story breaks would disappear. While the audience can always connect the dots, it's also important that the characters can do it, too.

There have been several instances of lazy writing lately. They could have just let Ilana say something like: "The temple master is dead? I guess we're too late then..." and everything would have been clear. Just one or two sentences and a lot of the story breaks would disappear. While the audience can always connect the dots, it's also important that the characters can do it, too.

What wasn't clear though? We knew from a previous episode that Ilana was taking them to the temple, we know that now that they are there it's probably best to get away from the smoke monster, we can also assume since she asked about them, that she was trying get the candidates away from the smoke monster. What's the problem with this scene?

What wasn't clear though? We knew from a previous episode that Ilana was taking them to the temple, we know that now that they are there it's probably best to get away from the smoke monster, we can also assume since she asked about them, that she was trying get the candidates away from the smoke monster. What's the problem with this scene?


It's this- we've GOT TO GO to the temple, ah well, nevermind, let's get out NOW. Also with Claire and Kate, first it's "If Kate took Aaron, I'll kill her", then suddenly it's "You'll only be safe in this hole, Kate". The breaks are a little too hard.

It's this- we've GOT TO GO to the temple, ah well, nevermind, let's get out NOW. Also with Claire and Kate, first it's "If Kate took Aaron, I'll kill her", then suddenly it's "You'll only be safe in this hole, Kate". The breaks are a little too hard.

Where's the break though? Ilana led them to the temple thinking it was safe. They got there and it wasn't. They tried to save who they could and high-tailed it out.

There have been several instances of lazy writing lately. They could have just let Ilana say something like: "The temple master is dead? I guess we're too late then..." and everything would have been clear. Just one or two sentences and a lot of the story breaks would disappear. While the audience can always connect the dots, it's also important that the characters can do it, too.

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illana and compnay were headed to the temple. they got there just as mib was killing everyone. they looked for the other losties and then left. ***Mod edited***

It's this- we've GOT TO GO to the temple, ah well, nevermind, let's get out NOW. Also with Claire and Kate, first it's "If Kate took Aaron, I'll kill her", then suddenly it's "You'll only be safe in this hole, Kate". The breaks are a little too hard.

But the reason that had to go to the temple were for the people (most likely the candidates specifically) in the temple, hence the not running away from it the second they saw the smoke monster and the determination to find certain people in the temple.

And I don't think for a second that Claire's comment about being safe in the hole was any indication that she was done with wanting revenge against Kate.]

It's this- we've GOT TO GO to the temple, ah well, nevermind, let's get out NOW. Also with Claire and Kate, first it's "If Kate took Aaron, I'll kill her", then suddenly it's "You'll only be safe in this hole, Kate". The breaks are a little too hard.


so kate and claire made up? claire could still very easily try to kill kate next episode or have mib do it. maybe claire was being "SMART". kate told claire she has aaron. so if claire killed kate right then, then she would never find aaron. so maybe she is going to find out where aaron is first and then kill her. that would be the comman sense thing to do.

Yes, the writing in this episode was definitely subpar

Miles reaction was the only thing that kind of threw me off, but I am along for the ride. I am loving the experience, and am rewatching tonight. A lot of this criticism just seems silly; it's the end of the line, do you really have time to nitpick? I know why I stopped coming to these boards now. Hate, hate, hate. I can go along with critical commentary, but a lot of this seems so much like the rantings of a 14 year old.

The transformation of Sayid to be his true self was bizarre and unexpected. Can't wait til next week!

A lot of this criticism just seems silly; it's the end of the line, do you really have time to nitpick? I know why I stopped coming to these boards now. Hate, hate, hate. I can go along with critical commentary, but a lot of this seems so much like the rantings of a 14 year old.


Once again I'd like to point out the fact that I've tried to make positive-discussion oriented threads that get NO attention, but all the critical ones I make get tons of attention.
I guess people on here would rather rabidly defend a show like it's their personal project then take the time to discuss something that requires thought.
Just another sign of the negative direction this show is taking us, as fans, by no fault of ours.

Ilana and her group were headed into the temple for safety, they just happened to get there the same time that Dogen was killed and the smoke monster attacked everyone in the temple. They didn't spell it out for us, but I think its a pretty simple thing to infer.

I don't think Claire actually told Kate that she (Kate) would be safer in the hole. Didn't she just say it was safer in there, when Kate told her she would try and get her out. I thought Claire meant it was safer for her (Claire) to be down there. Sure she might be on Smokey's team, but in a rampage like that, it could be easy to be injured anyway.

GOing off the original thread topic I would first like to say that this is the only tv show to make me laugh, cry, and literally yell at the screen. Remember when Mike shot AnaLucia? Now that disclaimer being stated....

That Scene was HORRIBLE.MIles blocking the door and direction points to him holding back a SMOKE PILLAR, but oh no its Ilana, a character that we really dont know from Adam(or Eve for that matter). And shes brought her merry band of pranksters. NOw i did dig the fact that she asked for all the special numbers 15, 16, 23, 42 but then you have old crotchity Lapidus delivering a wack "listen sonny we can catch up later, move your can" line. Come on Frank, ya just ran towards it. And then Ben's litlle head pops up and delivers an equally weak "gee willikers, i know where that is, I will save him" line. Wack! That ish reminded me of some live action Scooby Doo type mess.

PS I love this show, and TPTB could turn it all into jello pudding pops and it would still be one of my all time faves

I don't think Claire actually told Kate that she (Kate) would be safer in the hole. Didn't she just say it was safer in there, when Kate told her she would try and get her out. I thought Claire meant it was safer for her (Claire) to be down there. Sure she might be on Smokey's team, but in a rampage like that, it could be easy to be injured anyway.

She did tell Kate that "we'll" be safer in the hole:

CLAIRE: We'll be much safer here.

Sayid wasn't in the hole though and he was spared, so I don't think Smokey would have destroyed one of his 'own' people. To me it seems to suggest that Claire was trying to save Kate, so perhaps Kate will be able to lure the 'real' Claire out of her shell during her time with team MiB and accomplish her goal to save Claire.