I am seriously about to panic after last night's episode. :shock: I don't see how they can make sense of all this in the short time left.

Are we to understand that what is happening is dead Losties are being possessed by the smoke monster to construct an evil army? Are they actually going to dig up the previous dead Losties (as it appears Ben is doing in next week's previews) and have them possessed in some respect, possibly as good zombie army? I am not understanding or even seeing a hint at what Flocke/MIB's motive could even be for raising said army of evil zombies.

I'm not getting the parallel universe. What does it matter what happens in one parallel universe whilst you're being possessesd by an evil smoke monster in the other? I guess they (i.e. Sayid) could be saying in Universe #2 "Well, life's not so bad, had to kill some thugs who beat up by brother but found a cool Korean guy in the fridge", but the truth is, in Universe #1 - the REAL Universe? - Sayid is a possessed zombie so life IS so bad - way worse than he could possibly know!

Help me. It's looking cheezy and I'm getting scared. Even the temple set design in last night's episode was way cheezy.

WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt tttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ugh....

+1
On Zombie armies -- I'd have more fun watching Army of Darkness than this show now, because at least there I expect it to be stupid and cheesy.

Ugh....

What do you expect man? Do you think it's mere coincidence that so many people are making similarly-themed threads like this, this season, many of them long-term fans?

+1
On Zombie armies -- I'd have more fun watching Army of Darkness than this show now, because at least there I expect it to be stupid and cheesy.

What do you expect man? Do you think it's mere coincidence that so many people are making similarly-themed threads like this, this season, many of them long-term fans?

Why would I think it's a coincidence? It's very obvious why some "long-term" fans are fervent about their negative opinions. It's just got to the point where it has become redundant and even counter-productive (i.e. the forum is being riddled with repeated complaints, pushing the real discussion, theories and analysis to the fourth page). I totally understand people anxious about getting answers. Everyone knows that there's going to be some slight disappointment (there isn't one product where everyone unanimously agreed that it was perfect. The Wire, The Shield, Six Feet Under and especially the BSG and Sopranos finales, got some slack from fans). That, I can understand, and for the most part, most of the detractors, so far, have acknowledged that they know something is coming, they just can't wait for it any longer (which speaks to the passion behind the show and, thus, is a good thing).

But LOST has always had this science-fiction cheesy charm to it, as does much great science fiction does. The shift in tone and story telling has pretty much remained the same, albeit with a larger emphasis on the metaphysical and supernatural. Here's where the line is crossed. If the quality of the show is no longer something you enjoy watching, then that's a shame, but to constantly come back week by week and criticize the show for it's supposed lack of quality is troll-like to me. It's not something that can be objectively and empirically judged, which leaves your opinion anything but productive. Now while I fully acknowledge and respect your freedom to post, a troll is still a troll, and I would certainly hate to see anybody on this forum gripe for the sake of griping (step 1 in the transformation from viewer to troll).

What floors me is that people expect this season to be different from any other season. We're not going to have THE answers until the end - because whatever the answer is - once we have it, everything else should make sense. The impatience is baffling.

This thread reminds me of this.

Cheesy LOST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=jiH4TYy5f0Q&v=tAGdJqaa3ag)

lol

Why would I think it's a coincidence? It's very obvious why some "long-term" fans are fervent about their negative opinions. It's just got to the point where it has become redundant and even counter-productive (i.e. the forum is being riddled with repeated complaints, pushing the real discussion, theories and analysis to the fourth page). I totally understand people anxious about getting answers. Everyone knows that there's going to be some slight disappointment (there isn't one product where everyone unanimously agreed that it was perfect. The Wire, The Shield, Six Feet Under and especially the BSG and Sopranos finales, got some slack from fans). That, I can understand, and for the most part, most of the detractors, so far, have acknowledged that they know something is coming, they just can't wait for it any longer (which speaks to the passion behind the show and, thus, is a good thing).

But LOST has always had this science-fiction cheesy charm to it, as does much great science fiction does. The shift in tone and story telling has pretty much remained the same, albeit with a larger emphasis on the metaphysical and supernatural. Here's where the line is crossed. If the quality of the show is no longer something you enjoy watching, then that's a shame, but to constantly come back week by week and criticize the show for it's supposed lack of quality is troll-like to me. It's not something that can be objectively and empirically judged, which leaves your opinion anything but productive. Now while I fully acknowledge and respect your freedom to post, a troll is still a troll, and I would certainly hate to see anybody on this forum gripe for the sake of griping (step 1 in the transformation from viewer to troll).
I'm going to go become a fan of you :biggrin:.

Opinions, even negative ones, are welcome as long as they are backed with sound reasoning. A lot of the posts lately just seem to bash the show with no reasons given.

LostFaith, I wouldn't worry. I trust the writers of this show. For five season I have thought, this show is going crazy. They're about to sink this show. And I am always proven wrong. The show continues to be amazing and I have perfect faith that, by the series finale, we will have a lot of important answers.

Why would I think it's a coincidence? It's very obvious why some "long-term" fans are fervent about their negative opinions. It's just got to the point where it has become redundant and even counter-productive (i.e. the forum is being riddled with repeated complaints, pushing the real discussion, theories and analysis to the fourth page). I totally understand people anxious about getting answers. Everyone knows that there's going to be some slight disappointment (there isn't one product where everyone unanimously agreed that it was perfect. The Wire, The Shield, Six Feet Under and especially the BSG and Sopranos finales, got some slack from fans). That, I can understand, and for the most part, most of the detractors, so far, have acknowledged that they know something is coming, they just can't wait for it any longer (which speaks to the passion behind the show and, thus, is a good thing).

But LOST has always had this science-fiction cheesy charm to it, as does much great science fiction does. The shift in tone and story telling has pretty much remained the same, albeit with a larger emphasis on the metaphysical and supernatural. Here's where the line is crossed. If the quality of the show is no longer something you enjoy watching, then that's a shame, but to constantly come back week by week and criticize the show for it's supposed lack of quality is troll-like to me. It's not something that can be objectively and empirically judged, which leaves your opinion anything but productive. Now while I fully acknowledge and respect your freedom to post, a troll is still a troll, and I would certainly hate to see anybody on this forum gripe for the sake of griping (step 1 in the transformation from viewer to troll).

I think you are whistling in the graveyard, my friend. (or zombie-yard).

Things ARE coming to a "head", as in there are divisions clearly being formed with one side for evil and one side for good. But it is being formed with apparent zombies. That is beyond lame.

Many characters are no longer there, they are possessed bodies, so the character we invested so much analysis, interest in died but we got no wrap-up, or figurative funeral, or even reasonable explanation! Libby got more tears and time devoted to her croaking than SAYID - a major, well-loved character from the beginning got when he was apparently "killed"!

All that work done to develop the Others, their polar bear cages, the relationships between these characters, are now reduced to ZOMBIES?? And do NOT try to tell me they aren't zombies! They ARE!

This is not looking good. It seems the worse it looks the more conveluted the explanations are getting as to what the writers MUST be trying to do!

I smell a Sopranos ending coming. Give me something to hold onto. Would love to hear a hypothesis as to where this is going that is non-zombies and does not take a phd in philosophy to understand. ALIENS would be preferable at this point!!!!!!!

This thread reminds me of this.

Cheesy LOST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=jiH4TYy5f0Q&v=tAGdJqaa3ag)

lol


THAT made my day! Awesome! Thanks!:biggrin:

All that work done to develop the Others, their polar bear cages, the relationships between these characters, are now reduced to ZOMBIES?? And do NOT try to tell me they aren't zombies! They ARE!
Well, I know you don't want to hear it but...they're not zombies.

Definition of zombie (dictionary.com): the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.

Zombies have no free-will, they are completely controlled by some other force. This is not what has happened to Sayid. Sayid may have died, but he was brought back. He is no longer dead. He is very much alive. But he is sick. There is some illness spreading throughout him. Who knows what this illness truly is? I don't think at this point we can say too much about it.

Well, I know you don't want to hear it but...they're not zombies.

Definition of zombie (dictionary.com): the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.

Zombies have no free-will, they are completely controlled by some other force. This is not what has happened to Sayid. Sayid may have died, but he was brought back. He is no longer dead. He is very much alive. But he is sick. There is some illness spreading throughout him. Who knows what this illness truly is? I don't think at this point we can say too much about it.

But you just described exactly what Sayid and Claire are now: mute and will-less.

Once you've opened the doors for the zombie season, there is no turning back! Lost is a zombie show now, let's all embrace it, because that is cool as hell!

I don't understand why there is a polar bear running through the jungle.
I don't understand why there is a drug plane in the jungle.
What is this hatch buried in the ground?
Who are these others?

Be patient. If you knew all of the mysteries now, there would be no reason to watch the rest of the season. There is still plenty of time left to answer them.

I have a feeling that most people will not be satisfied when the mysteries are revealed or at least with have more questions that need to be asked. Sometimes good art will let the viewer interpret the meaning themselves. At the end of the show, if there is a mystery that does not get revealed, make up you own conclusions. It will turn out better for you.

I am seriously about to panic after last night's episode. :shock: I don't see how they can make sense of all this in the short time left.

Are we to understand that what is happening is dead Losties are being possessed by the smoke monster to construct an evil army? Are they actually going to dig up the previous dead Losties (as it appears Ben is doing in next week's previews) and have them possessed in some respect, possibly as good zombie army? I am not understanding or even seeing a hint at what Flocke/MIB's motive could even be for raising said army of evil zombies.

I'm not getting the parallel universe. What does it matter what happens in one parallel universe whilst you're being possessesd by an evil smoke monster in the other? I guess they (i.e. Sayid) could be saying in Universe #2 "Well, life's not so bad, had to kill some thugs who beat up by brother but found a cool Korean guy in the fridge", but the truth is, in Universe #1 - the REAL Universe? - Sayid is a possessed zombie so life IS so bad - way worse than he could possibly know!

Help me. It's looking cheezy and I'm getting scared. Even the temple set design in last night's episode was way cheezy.

WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt tttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't it be premature if you were "getting it" now. Are you just supposed to waltz through the last 10 episodes checking off questions? That doesn't sound very fun.

I think you are whistling in the graveyard, my friend. (or zombie-yard).

Things ARE coming to a "head", as in there are divisions clearly being formed with one side for evil and one side for good. But it is being formed with apparent zombies. That is beyond lame.

Many characters are no longer there, they are possessed bodies, so the character we invested so much analysis, interest in died but we got no wrap-up, or figurative funeral, or even reasonable explanation! Libby got more tears and time devoted to her croaking than SAYID - a major, well-loved character from the beginning got when he was apparently "killed"!

All that work done to develop the Others, their polar bear cages, the relationships between these characters, are now reduced to ZOMBIES?? And do NOT try to tell me they aren't zombies! They ARE!

This is not looking good. It seems the worse it looks the more conveluted the explanations are getting as to what the writers MUST be trying to do!

I smell a Sopranos ending coming. Give me something to hold onto. Would love to hear a hypothesis as to where this is going that is non-zombies and does not take a phd in philosophy to understand. ALIENS would be preferable at this point!!!!!!!

See. That's the thing. I LOVE shows that require the audience to have PHDs (or some sort of lesser degree) to cultivate greater pleasure from the show. LOST has ALWAYS been that type of show, and I can't imagine how anybody would have gone through season four and five (especially five) without going to wikipedia to look up Bentham, the panopticon, utilitarianism, David Hume, empiricism, Michael Faraday, electromagnetic activity, A Brief History of Time, Casimir Effect, Plato's allegory of the cave, Plato's Republic, Plato's Philosopher King, etc. While this may sound horribly pretentious, isn't this why we're all here? I only know half of those concepts as well as I do now because of this show.

By the way, I thought the ending of The Sopranos was brilliant.

ALIENS would be preferable at this point!!!!!!!

Twenty bucks says that if it's aliens, you'll be back complaining that they didn't look spacey enough or they looked too much like aliens from another show/movie, etc. *shrugs*

See. That's the thing. I LOVE shows that require the audience to have PHDs (or some sort of lesser degree) to cultivate greater pleasure from the show. LOST has ALWAYS been that type of show, and I can't imagine how anybody would have gone through season four and five (especially five) without going to wikipedia to look up Bentham, the panopticon, utilitarianism, David Hume, empiricism, Michael Faraday, electromagnetic activity, A Brief History of Time, Casimir Effect, Plato's allegory of the cave, Plato's Republic, Plato's Philosopher King, etc. While this may sound horribly pretentious, isn't this why we're all here? I only know half of those concepts as well as I do now because of this show.

By the way, I thought the ending of The Sopranos was brilliant.


Well, I didn't need to rush to Wiki because I actually took the time to study and learn these disciplines in college. Just because a show name drops famous philosophers, cites quantuum mechanics and theoretical physics does not a good show make. I need more than this.

In my opinion, the writing has been going downhill since the beginning of Season 6. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant and makes no difference in my opinion of this show.

However, I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are to yours. How sad that you have tried to make the poster you are replying to seem like a non-intellectual knuckle dragger who "doesn't get it" because they didn't take the time to go to.. of all places... Wikipedia? You must be joking. Wiki is your go to site for understanding complex equations, ideas and theories? No, I think they "get it" just fine and they don't like where this show is going.

Things ARE coming to a "head", as in there are divisions clearly being formed with one side for evil and one side for good. But it is being formed with apparent zombies. That is beyond lame.

Many characters are no longer there, they are possessed bodies, so the character we invested so much analysis, interest in died but we got no wrap-up, or figurative funeral, or even reasonable explanation! Libby got more tears and time devoted to her croaking than SAYID - a major, well-loved character from the beginning got when he was apparently "killed"!

All that work done to develop the Others, their polar bear cages, the relationships between these characters, are now reduced to ZOMBIES?? And do NOT try to tell me they aren't zombies! They ARE!

This is not looking good. It seems the worse it looks the more conveluted the explanations are getting as to what the writers MUST be trying to do!

I hate to rehash the recent constant battle of posts of dissatisfaction with the plot lines versus posts telling of the virtues of patience, but I really cannot help but point out the bit of jumping to conclusions here.

While the point of whether they are zombies or not is debatable (my personal opinion is they are not, simply victims of a sickness we have been aware of since season 1 and are now learning answers to). But if we assume for a second that the contention that they are zombies is correct than it is a definite overstatement to say that "many characters are no longer there", we have two "zombie characters" right now, Claire and Sayid and that is it. There seems to be fear that other characters will follow or previously deceased characters will be called into service in that way, but it seems to me to be quite unfair to criticize for a development that hasn't even happened yet and is just pure speculation at this point.

See. That's the thing. I LOVE shows that require the audience to have PHDs (or some sort of lesser degree) to cultivate greater pleasure from the show. LOST has ALWAYS been that type of show, and I can't imagine how anybody would have gone through season four and five (especially five) without going to wikipedia to look up Bentham, the panopticon, utilitarianism, David Hume, empiricism, Michael Faraday, electromagnetic activity, A Brief History of Time, Casimir Effect, Plato's allegory of the cave, Plato's Republic, Plato's Philosopher King, etc. While this may sound horribly pretentious, isn't this why we're all here? I only know half of those concepts as well as I do now because of this show.

By the way, I thought the ending of The Sopranos was brilliant.

I totally agree with every word of this, especially the Sopranos part.

I like zombies.

It's not something that can be objectively and empirically judged, which leaves your opinion anything but productive.

Do you really think that any fan of a show can discuss it in a completely sterile manner without bringing their opinion to the table? That doesn't make any sense. The discussion, theories, and analysis you speak of are all based on our opinions of what we see on the show.

This forum wouldn't have a purpose without people discussing their opinions. That's the entire point of forums (to my knowledge).

You have to take the bad with the good. I can understand that seeing a sea of bad opinions, many of which are the same statements repeated, can be annoying, but maybe step back and look at it for a minute. Maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the show if this many people are posting the same thing over and over again.

Besides the point that it kills other discussions (on which I share your annoyance, since I've had several non-critical threads shoved into the background), it is still discussion in and of itself, even if it's one that bothers you.

If people were just spamming the boards with baseless comments like "this show sucks!!!" then you'd have a point. But I think most people who are making objections to the show are at least trying to bring up valid points about why they feel that way. At least I know I am.

He is very much alive. But he is sick. There is some illness spreading throughout him. Who knows what this illness truly is? I don't think at this point we can say too much about it.

And who knows, but the illness could be a metaphor for something else...

-ik

I love zombies.

They're not zombies.

Mysterio doesn't seem to need an army, Zombie or otherwise, as he just tears the crap out of anyone that gets in his way leaving no opening for counterattack. His only weakness is apparently grey dust, and even that doesn't seem to slow him down much.

I assume he's gathering up acolytes in a show of disdain for Jacob's beliefs. All of the "good" (?) that Jacob had done is undone by a threat of death and a strong presence. None of Jacob's people or tenets are special, just mumbo jumbo. (and truthfully, those who joined him looked pretty content as they marched away. Lousy congregation, Brother Jacob.)Or maybe he got those people so they could do a little light sweeping before he showed up places to remove the whole ash phobia issue.

I also assume that Mysterio knows that death is not the end on this island. Seems like he knows that Jacob, though dead, is still floating around out there somewhere.

Other than that, I have no theory on what the hell he's doing. Other than ALOT of walking....He keeps showing up places, doing one thing, and then marching away somewhere else.

They're not zombies.

I love zombies

You have to take the bad with the good. I can understand that seeing a sea of bad opinions, many of which are the same statements repeated, can be annoying, but maybe step back and look at it for a minute. Maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the show if this many people are posting the same thing over and over again.



But you have to remember beema, the people who are somehow annoyed that their fellow fans have criticisms are being made to read the criticisms. Someone must be holding a gun to their heads making them read and respond.

Somehow I manage not to read threads and posts that don't interest me but for some strange reason others are being made to read and respond to posts and threads that annoy them.

Strange huh?

Is there a subforum for official complaints in this forum? Anybody know?

If not, I think they should make one...

This thread reminds me of this.

Cheesy LOST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=jiH4TYy5f0Q&v=tAGdJqaa3ag)

lol

*slow clapping standing ovation*

Cheesey lost rules!

See. That's the thing. I LOVE shows that require the audience to have PHDs (or some sort of lesser degree) to cultivate greater pleasure from the show. LOST has ALWAYS been that type of show, and I can't imagine how anybody would have gone through season four and five (especially five) without going to wikipedia to look up Bentham, the panopticon, utilitarianism, David Hume, empiricism, Michael Faraday, electromagnetic activity, A Brief History of Time, Casimir Effect, Plato's allegory of the cave, Plato's Republic, Plato's Philosopher King, etc. While this may sound horribly pretentious, isn't this why we're all here? I only know half of those concepts as well as I do now because of this show.

By the way, I thought the ending of The Sopranos was brilliant.

I want to be clear that I do love the show. That is why I'm a devoted fan - I have NEVER missed and episode and nobody is allowed to speak in the house while the show is on and blocking the TV could result in a call to 911.

I too have invested time researching and debating different intellectual theories of the show. I was convinced in season 1 that it was a Philadelphia Project situation. THEN I thought time loop, bermuda triangle black hole stuff, etc..

I started getting nervous in Frozen Donkey Wheel. :uhh:

At this point we got zombies whether people are ready to face it or not. We've got the undead possessed and controlled by evil. Next week they're probably headed straight for the Prom.

I hope I am so blown away by brilliance at the last episode that I pee my pants. I am just telling you it is NOT looking good.


BTW, the only way the Sopranos ending was brilliant is if Tony was shot dead and that's why it went black. WAY off topic.

I am seriously about to panic after last night's episode. :shock: I don't see how they can make sense of all this in the short time left.

Are we to understand that what is happening is dead Losties are being possessed by the smoke monster to construct an evil army? Are they actually going to dig up the previous dead Losties (as it appears Ben is doing in next week's previews) and have them possessed in some respect, possibly as good zombie army? I am not understanding or even seeing a hint at what Flocke/MIB's motive could even be for raising said army of evil zombies.

I'm not getting the parallel universe. What does it matter what happens in one parallel universe whilst you're being possessesd by an evil smoke monster in the other? I guess they (i.e. Sayid) could be saying in Universe #2 "Well, life's not so bad, had to kill some thugs who beat up by brother but found a cool Korean guy in the fridge", but the truth is, in Universe #1 - the REAL Universe? - Sayid is a possessed zombie so life IS so bad - way worse than he could possibly know!

Help me. It's looking cheezy and I'm getting scared. Even the temple set design in last night's episode was way cheezy.

WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt tttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said similar things in many posts in this forum and on other forums all over the internet. You are not alone in your feelings and despite what some people will try to tell you, you are not being irrational. Some people will come in here and say "why do you expect answers so soon" but it's not only that it's that everything is about Jacob and MIB now. It's all magic and everything else that happened the first 4 seasons didn't mean anything. It's just stuff that seemed mysterious. Look at the once mysterious Others, who appeared out of no where with the sound of the whispers around them to kidnap people. They are all but gone and the answer to it all is that there was nothing to know about them. The opportunity to know everything has passed because we've been in the temple and spent our time there playing tick tac toe.

That is one of the reasons why we are worried.

It's all magic and everything else that happened the first 4 seasons didn't mean anything.

Seriously? :confused:

I want to be clear that I do love the show. That is why I'm a devoted fan - I have NEVER missed and episode and nobody is allowed to speak in the house while the show is on and blocking the TV could result in a call to 911.

I too have invested time researching and debating different intellectual theories of the show. I was convinced in season 1 that it was a Philadelphia Project situation. THEN I thought time loop, bermuda triangle black hole stuff, etc..

I started getting nervous in Frozen Donkey Wheel. :uhh:

At this point we got zombies whether people are ready to face it or not. We've got the undead possessed and controlled by evil. Next week they're probably headed straight for the Prom.

I hope I am so blown away by brilliance at the last episode that I pee my pants. I am just telling you it is NOT looking good.


BTW, the only way the Sopranos ending was brilliant is if Tony was shot dead and that's why it went black. WAY off topic.

I just wrote this long, pedantic essay on the use of the word "magic" basically to describe what many people perceive to be deus ex machinas on the show (it's somewhere in that Lucy thread). I won't get into it again because I have the flu, I'm tired and I already went through one long post without my boss noticing and I can't risk it again. Long story short, the "magic" has been a part of the show for a very long time, and, as you pointed out, cemented itself in the season four finale with the frozen donkey wheel. Now while we may trivialize these explanations by calling them magic, I feel that there is a large contextual basis for a lot of the hokey/loopy stuff that we see so far. For example, I've accepted the FDW as being a mechanism for spacetime travel. Presumably, the FDW has some sort of trigger to garner exotic matter, go through the Casimir effect and make the island a vessel conducive to travel through zero gravity wormholes in spacetime four dimensional space. It would be horribly shortsighted of me not to give creedance to that explanation because our current laws of physics do not adhere to Hawking's combination of an observed and hypothetical universe (I'm basically rewriting what I wrote. I'll stop here).

I'm not sure where the "claimed" storyline is heading yet, and because of this, I will withhold judgement for now. What I do know is that we've known, since season one, that dead people were rising again on the island. There have been multiple theories. Like what if one's multiverse consciousness is unlocked once you die on the island and you become conscious of your multiple lives? I have faith that some of it might be explained and whatever they give me, I just hope it's not entirely out of the context of the story they have given us.

Lastly, maybe it's just because it's the 'lage, but when I talk to most people about Lost (face to face, not, you know...over the internet), the things we remember and talk about are moments like when the raft launched, when Sun made Jin his english book and he apologized, when Locke bangs on the hatch door yelling, "I did eveyrthing you asked me to, so why did you do this to me?!", when Desmond calls Penny from the freighter, etc. It's character and narrative moments like this that I yearn for, and I feel like we've got a decent amount in the past six episodes (especially with this week's. Giachinno's 'Catch a Falling Star' was pretty epic).

I'm done.

p.s. I think it's been a pretty widely accepted fact that Tony ate the big one in the end. The following is a pretty good explanation of the ending:
http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

Seriously? :confused:

Well the first 4 seasons didn't have anything to do with being a candidate to be the new wizard of the island did it? Where is Walt? What about Aaron? About 3 things on the blast door map ever showed up in the show and certainly none in season 6. The real Henry Gale? Where is Harper, did she die in the temple? Should I go on?

It's all about the characters now and some alternate timeline. It's about who is going to become the new Jacob and defeat the man in black.

Well the first 4 seasons didn't have anything to do with being a candidate to be the new wizard of the island did it?

They all ended up on the island didn't they? I would say that the first 4 seasons DID have to do with them being candidates - we just didn't know it.

Where is Walt? What about Aaron? About 3 things on the blast door map ever showed up in the show and certainly none in season 6. The real Henry Gale? Where is Harper, did she die in the temple? Should I go on?

So, because you haven't received the answers that YOU want on the timeline that YOU want, you're pissed? That's not the show's fault. I'm confident some of those things will be answered. Some things won't be answered. But guess what? Not everything is life is totally explained.

It's all about the characters now and some alternate timeline. It's about who is going to become the new Jacob and defeat the man in black.

So they finally told us that... would you have preferred they waited until the last hour of this season to do so?

So, because you haven't received the answers that YOU want on the timeline that YOU want, you're pissed? That's not the show's fault. I'm confident some of those things will be answered. Some things won't be answered. But guess what? Not everything is life is totally explained.

You know they presented it in the show. They had control over every word that was written. They presented it as a question. I'm not talking about things like Shannon's inhaler. I'm talking about mysteries they presented to us as mysteries.

I'll pick one I listed previously at random. What happened to Harper? How did she appear to Juliet with instructions and the sound of the whispers behind her? We've been in the temple where the answers to the Others should've been but I still don't know the answer to this. We left the temple and most of the Others are dead. It was presented as a mysterious instance at the time, so what about it?

You know everything is going to be answered under the big umbrella of Jacob's or MIB's magic. That is where deductive reasoning leads.
100%
Ok there is reason to panic please read this article and tell me you are satisfied which what I feel is the producers having complete disregard for the story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

You know they presented it in the show. They had control over every word that was written. They presented it as a question. I'm not talking about things like Shannon's inhaler. I'm talking about mysteries they presented to us as mysteries.

I'll pick one I listed previously at random. What happened to Harper? How did she appear to Juliet with instructions and the sound of the whispers behind her? We've been in the temple where the answers to the Others should've been but I still don't know the answer to this. We left the temple and most of the Others are dead. It was presented as a mysterious instance at the time, so what about it?

You know everything is going to be answered under the big umbrella of Jacob's or MIB's magic. That is where deductive reasoning leads.
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Ok there is reason to panic please read this article and tell me you are satisfied which what I feel is the producers having complete disregard for the story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog


I just assumed that Harper was like Christian, Yemi, etc. - the smoke monster in human form. If they explain it further - they do... if they don't... they don't. I read the article - it's not the first time they've said those things and it doesn't bother me. I'm expecting that not everything will be answered - I'll just fill in the blanks myself. No biggie.

I just assumed that Harper was like Christian, Yemi, etc. - the smoke monster in human form. If they explain it further - they do... if they don't... they don't. I read the article - it's not the first time they've said those things and it doesn't bother me. I'm expecting that not everything will be answered - I'll just fill in the blanks myself. No biggie.

I'm sorry to say this and you seem like a nice person, but I don't even understand your way of thinking. Mysteries are not presented in stories to never be solved. It's just not what storytelling is about. These aren't little details here and there either, these are plotlines that made up entire seasons. These are things that people really invested in and debated. To never get an answer ruins any rewatching of the show and wastes years of our time. I got people into this show and convinced them that it all meant something, now I'm looking like a liar and a fool. I can't tell them to make up their own answer. When they came to me and asked me specifically about these things I told them to wait and see. Now I'm being told it never mattered? I'm sorry but I cannot put my blinders on and accept this. I know it's too late to change it, but I have to at least vent my frustrations and take solace in those that share my realization.

Here's some more fuel for the panic fire:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html

Obviously the article is written with a slant towards pessimism, but you can't deny the facts it presents, namely that Darlton refuse to fess up to the monster they've created, and dodge pretty much all responsibility for something that they, and no one else, are responsible for. I've really lost a lot of respect for them, and I'm pretty infuriated at their dismissive attitude.

Let me restate that I'm not in the camp of people that demands every little mystery be answered, I am just offended by their treatment of the matter.

I'm sorry to say this and you seem like a nice person, but I don't even understand your way of thinking. Mysteries are not presented in stories to never be solved. It's just not what storytelling is about. These aren't little details here and there either, these are plotlines that made up entire seasons. These are things that people really invested in and debated. To never get an answer ruins any rewatching of the show and wastes years of our time. I got people into this show and convinced them that it all meant something, now I'm looking like a liar and a fool. I can't tell them to make up their own answer. When they came to me and asked me specifically about these things I told them to wait and see. Now I'm being told it never mattered? I'm sorry but I cannot put my blinders on and accept this. I know it's too late to change it, but I have to at least vent my frustrations and take solace in those that share my realization.
I think you're forgetting one thing. Those of us on these boards are the ones that have devoted so much time to this show. The majority, yes the majority, of viewers more than likely don't even remember Harper and wouldn't remember her if she showed up on screen. I don't think we need to be told about Harper. I think we need to be told, and will be told, about the whispers. So that fills in a part of the mystery of the woman. But why is there this need to answer every mystery that was raised on the show? Certainly we want answers to the big questions, but I fail to see how a character that appeared in one episode needs to be fully explained.

This show is a story about the survivors of Oceanic 815. Yes, characters like Ben and Ricahrd are fascinating and we want to know more about them, but at the very end the show is about the losties. We are watching their story unfold. Those side questions raised are simply elements of their story. We can't know the answer to all of them and I'm glad. How boring would it be if the writers only wrote mysteries that they could fully explain? You say that storytelling isn't about leaving things unsolved. I disagree. Stories need unanswered questions. They need things left unsaid that makes the reader/viewer go "Hmm...I wonder what that means?" That's what makes stories beautiful. If I want all my questions answered, I'll go read a chemistry textbook. :biggrin:

Where is Walt? What about Aaron? About 3 things on the blast door map ever showed up in the show and certainly none in season 6. The real Henry Gale? Where is Harper, did she die in the temple? Should I go on?
Darlton has made it clear that they always intended Walt to be a big part of the story. However, the actor aged too quickly. That's not their fault. I'd rather that mystery go unexplained than have them come up with some lame excuse as to why Walt's suddenly looks 18 when he's supposed to be 13.

Aaron will be explained. I am confident.

I'm not sure what you're talking about referring to the blast door map. I don't think most viewers could even tell you anything that was on that map. For more hardcore viewers, there are things on the map that have been explained.

The real Henry Gale died and was buried. I don't really see why there's even a mystery here. He crashed on the island, he died, someone buried him. Unless you're wondering who buried him? That just seems trivial.

I am completely confident that Darlton will address and answer the important questions on the show. No, they won't tell us about every character and their backstory. And I'm okay with that. In fact, I'm glad.

Here's some more fuel for the panic fire:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html

Obviously the article is written with a slant towards pessimism, but you can't deny the facts it presents, namely that Darlton refuse to fess up to the monster they've created, and dodge pretty much all responsibility for something that they, and no one else, are responsible for. I've really lost a lot of respect for them, and I'm pretty infuriated at their dismissive attitude.

Let me restate that I'm not in the camp of people that demands every little mystery be answered, I am just offended by their treatment of the matter.

I certainly share your frustration regarding this beema. I think what bothers me most though, is that they will refuse to talk about Lost after the finale airs. Why do you think that is? Because most fans will be angry with things that were left out, or by the ending and they don't want to have to deal with the negativity and criticism? Their refusal to talk Lost after the finale just shows their true feelings towards the fans, even though they also send out Tweets that the fans mean so much.

The comparisons that I have seen on the board between Lost and Harry Potter are ludicrous. I was also an uberfan of Harry Potter and chatted on a HP board avidly. The comparisons between the 2 are an absolute insult to JK Rowling. Now, she didn't answer everything in the series, but she came pretty darn close, and after the seventh book came out, she did several interviews and continued talking about the story, tying up even more loose ends. She certainly had the integrity to deal with the critics and fans that weren't weren't happy with how the series ended. The cowardice of Darlton to not discuss the show once the finale airs makes me lose complete respect for them and increases my admiration for JK Rowling.

What a load of crap. I can't believe people are actually convincing themselves that questions posed in a story are better left unanswered. You don't remember watching all these scenes and how they were presented to us as pieces of the puzzle?

How boring would it be if the writers only wrote mysteries they could fully explain?

Are you serious? It wouldn't be boring at all to get answers. You might as well say "how boring would it be if we only spoke words that have definitions?"

We want the rewatching of the show to be a revelation, not a series of unexplained and unrelated events that eventually (more than 100 hours in) gets to one god getting someone to stab another god and this being where the story actually starts.

Well the first 4 seasons didn't have anything to do with being a candidate to be the new wizard of the island did it?

There ya go, you got an answer as to why our Losties ended up on the Island, but now you're bitching that they never mentioned this in earlier seasons? Did you not ever get any sort of vibe from the narrative that pretty much screamed that these people didnt land on this Island accidentally? Even Sayid said something to that effect in season 1.

So what do you want the answer to be?

What a load of crap. I can't believe people are actually convincing themselves that questions posed in a story are better left unanswered. You don't remember watching all these scenes and how they were presented to us as pieces of the puzzle?

How boring would it be if the writers only wrote mysteries they could fully explain?

Are you serious? It wouldn't be boring at all to get answers. You might as well say "how boring would it be if we only spoke words that have definitions?"

We want the rewatching of the show to be a revelation, not a series of unexplained and unrelated events that eventually (more than 100 hours in) gets to one god getting someone to stab another god and this being where the story actually starts.
But we are getting answers. Already. And the show isn't over yet. You don't think we're going to rewatch the first five seasons and go..."Oh, it makes much more sense now"? Of course we are.

I didn't say that stories shouldn't have answers, I said that they shouldn't have every single question answered. The big important things need answering. That I agree with. But every little detail? Every little time I raised my eyebrows in confusion needs explaining? No. I'm an intelligient and creative person. If I'm really wondering about Harper, I will think of the things I do know and make up my own answer. That is the beauty of good storytelling. They present us with a story from a few people's perspectives. They answer the questions that need answering from those perspectives. If this show were about Harper, then by all means, tell us more about her. But she appeared in one episode. I don't really care what the answer to any question about her is.

It may be that after the finale airs, there is some question I wanted answered that remains a mystery. I will be disappointed. I will turn to a friend and say "why didn't they answer that?" Then I will move on. Because Lost, although a beautiful story and a fascinating idea, is a televison show. I want a good resolution to the overall story and the big questions (smoke monster, whispers, Jacob, why the losties are there) and everything else can be left to the imagination. Frankly, I've got more important things going on in my own life to worry about then what exactly that one phrase on the blast door meant. ;)

I certainly share your frustration regarding this beema. I think what bothers me most though, is that they will refuse to talk about Lost after the finale airs. Why do you think that is? Because most fans will be angry with things that were left out, or by the ending and they don't want to have to deal with the negativity and criticism? Their refusal to talk Lost after the finale just shows their true feelings towards the fans, even though they also send out Tweets that the fans mean so much.

Well, I can sort of appreciate it in an artistic sense, as in "we shouldn't force feed the fans answers, because they will never be as good as the answers the fans come up with themselves" (which is probably true, after seeing this season so far)
or some such thing.

But realistically, I think it's just them dodging responsibility, not wanting to be bothered with it, most likely because they don't have the answers. They put a lot of stuff in the show that they never really thought out beyond a few episodes. I'm guessing they want to take their piles of money and move on to another cash cow, rather than devote more of their lives to something that is more or less unrewarding fan service. Actually, that wouldn't even make sense, because there is surely tons of money to be made in post-Lost "answer revealing" books, dvds, and such. I think they just want to wash their hands of it, and they don't know and don't care about the answers. They said the characters don't care, well, that's because they created the characters.

I find their Top Chef analogy to also be completely inept. Top Chef people have a minute amount of time to gather ingredients and prepare a recipe. Darlton had 5+ years, over the course of which they continually had the option to address the issue. The Chefs have one chance. They don't get a new chance every season of the show. Instead, Darlton ignored and squandered their many chances, deciding instead to focus on plot tangents that are now apparently disposible.

Give them 6 months to a year after Lost ends. Maybe they will have had enough of a break from it by then that they will be comfortable coming back to address some things, but I strongly doubt it.

I also think the argument that some people on here have made about only the crazy Fuselage fans caring about the answers, and the majority of the "normal" fans couldn't care less, is completely bogus.
First -- Newsflash -- the majority of people still watching Lost with any regularity ARE the highly-engrossed fans. Maybe they don't post on here, but that doesn't remove them from the non-casual category. The "crazy" fans are the only reason Lost is still on the air.
Second, I think a great deal of the "casual" viewers actually dropped off from the show BECAUSE they weren't getting any satisfying answers, and BECAUSE the show got so convoluted.
All of the people I know who were more casual fans of Lost dropped off long ago. A few people are getting back into it now because it's the end of the show, and have caught up during DVD marathons, but this isn't the majority.
Even most of these people don't bother watching the show on TV. They catch it on Hulu a week later, or download it on bittorrent or whatever.

edit:
while I was in the shower I thought of another reason why the Top Chef analogy makes absolutely no sense. (like anybody cares...LOL)
So, they are equating the unused ingredients to the unanswered questions, right? Except these ingredients that don't get used in the final dish are left on the cutting room floor. The unanswered questions made it into the final dish -- that is, the show. If the Chefs had tossed the extra ingredients into their dish after all, as Lost did with all the mysteries, then the chefs would HAVE to explain themselves to the judges, explain why they put those ingredients in, what they meant, etc. If they just shrugged and said "I don't know why these things are in my dish" then they would probably get kicked off the show.

Final thought: at the very least, Darlton should of made this abundantly clear before ABC started making these dumb season 6 promos that insisted we are getting answers all over the place. (If anyone has seen the spanish promos, they are MUCH better, much more tasteful and actually relate to the show).

You know what it is? It just all feels so sloppy now. I feel that the deus ex machina card was played with MIB/Jacob and that will be the answer to the things they actually feel like answering. They are covering up the rest with "well that's not important, we'll let the fans decide the answer. So excuse me while I go hide"

You know what it is? It just all feels so sloppy now. I feel that the deus ex machina card was played with MIB/Jacob and that will be the answer to the things they actually feel like answering. They are covering up the rest with "well that's not important, we'll let the fans decide the answer. So excuse me while I go hide"

Look harder.

After all the mysteries all the Flashbacks, all the Flash forward. All the Characters stories.
We will get little explanation to all the insanity. The New "Flash Sideways" is there way to
end it all. Now we are led to believe it is all Jacob/Ghost Jacob and MIB/Flocke's Doing.
They need the Losties on the Island to fight there battle. It is there Destiny to be there so no matter how "The Bomb" fixed things in the Flash Sideways they will come together again. Find some way to Crash Back on the Island. Imagine if it ends The Same way it BEGAN!
What other point is there to The Flash sideway stories but to show they still need to be together to get back to the Island.

I think the criticism here was more merited for last season which was a series of missed opportunities and botched storylines. This season has been much more satisfying. That said, I respect all the detractors here. Most of your criticisms are valid and I share your alarm to an extent, and that is making the show more exciting for me.

To the OP, I think the zombie concern you originally posted will be satisfactorily resolved. What is happening to Claire and Sayid is not zombification, although it's a great inside joke satisfying our hunger for the fabled final zombie season. Also, infections can be cured.

The creators comments seem a bit defensive, and I'm hoping they have something shocking and challenging in store for us. Any good ending will be polarizing.

My worst fear is that they've taken the Stand theme of good vs evil and will have some cheesy Stephen King ending with God's blue lightning saving the day or a giant spider clown that lives under the island.

I can live without answers as long as I get a satisfying narrative conclusion and all the mysteries have a unifying coherence. This seems very possible with what I've seen so far. The numbers are the best example. They didn't have to explain them. They just gave them a new layer of significance that enriches the show from the beginning.

My other fear is that they'll over explain the mysteries. It's fine line. The final 10 are going to be a heck of a ride.

I'm sorry to say this and you seem like a nice person, but I don't even understand your way of thinking. .

You seem nice too -and I don't understand your way of thinking either. I enjoy the mystery & figuring it out myself. I don't even have to know if I'm right or not. It's the puzzling it out myself that I enjoy. The fun I've had along the way makes it all worth while & not a waste of time no matter what the outcome.

IMO, Claire and Sayid are not Zombie's. A Zombie has nothing of the person that occupied the body previously. It is simply a body that is being used. Locke's memories are still a part of Flocke. Claire is still Claire trying to find Aaron. Sayid is looking for the brief happiness he had with Nadia, Sawyer--well not sure but it appears that he just doesn't care after Juliet died and wants off the Island. The point is that MIB/Flocke isn't simply taking over these bodies. He is enticing these characters to follow him by manipulating them into believing that they can have something that they dearly love.

They are willing to in essence give up their very souls to obtain what he offers. If they were truly Zombies he wouldn't need to woo them, he would simply take over their bodies. To me it comes down to whether the characters choose to stick to their ideals and principles or throw those aside to obtain what they covet. Yes we saw Claire as an innocent person but what she has become is what was truly in her heart. Though Sayid did have regrets about being a torturer and killer, when it came down to it, that's exactly what he was. MIB doesn't have an Army of Zombie's. In fact the only 2 that could in the vaguest of terms be considered Zombielike would be Claire and Sayid.

It all goes back to the first conversation we saw between Jacob and MIB. MIB believes that they all are evil deep down inside, Jacob saw everything as progress to an eventual person or persons whose good would overcome.

I've read many books over the years, far too many to count. In every case when I was done, I was left wondering about certain things. Many of the greatest books ever written continue to be debated as to many of the premises that the book seemed to deal with. They were thought provoking and different people got different things out of them.

Smokie killed those that wouldn't follow him. Those that actually left the temple to follow him were not killed. Actually, the temple scene reminded me quite a bit of what happened in the bible when Moses went to the mount to get the 10 commandments. The people that had followed him out of Egypt succumbed to fear and went ahead and built false idols to worship.

Not everything will be answered but I do believe that the major questions will be, though many will not like the answers. That's OK. At the end I may be disappointed in some of the answers because they may not fit the view of the show I had created but I won't be sorry for having invested the time in this series because it did provoke thought and got me to research many things that I either had a basic knowledge of or no knowledge of at all. It's been far different than watching a CSI or other typical TV show where I'm entertained for an hour but nothing else.

Whatever happens happens. If some decide that it was a waste of time, so be it. Heck, a reading quite a few books in my time that I ended up being completely unsatisfied with and feeling it was a total waste of time. IMO, LOST has not been a waste of time. If nothing else it has kept my mind active and will help to ward off Alzhiemer's.;)

I can understand why Darlton might say they will refuse to talk about the show after the finale. Imagine it from their perspective. They know that whatever they come up with lots of people will be unhappy, but more than that they're creative professionals who want to move on to other things. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to be asked about everything from minor details to the overall point of the show in every single interview until everyone else has got tired of talking about it a decade or so down the line.

I'm frustrated with this season, I don't want answers to every mystery but I think that there are large questions that are kept unneccessarily vague which for me undermine the drama and character development because I don't understand what's going on. I'd always planned to buy the whole series as a boxed set after it was finished and watch it right through again, but now for the first time I'm not sure, and am waiting to see how it plays out. If I like I'll buy it and enjoy rewatching it, if I don't I won't - but either way I don't feel like Darlton "owe" me anything beyond that in terms of interviews, explanations, etc.

It may be that after the finale airs, there is some question I wanted answered that remains a mystery. I will be disappointed. I will turn to a friend and say "why didn't they answer that?" Then I will move on. Because Lost, although a beautiful story and a fascinating idea, is a televison show. I want a good resolution to the overall story and the big questions (smoke monster, whispers, Jacob, why the losties are there) and everything else can be left to the imagination.

Well said.


Frankly, I've got more important things going on in my own life to worry about then what exactly that one phrase on the blast door meant. ;)

YES!!

About halfway through Lost I made an important decision. When it was clear the wheels were just spinning and the story going nowhere. I decided to quit any real analysis of the show and just watch. I still think a bit about things revealed, but I am no where near as obsessive as I was in the beginning. And it was the best thing I ever did concerning this show. Now I am hopeful I am satisified with the ending, but I know there's a strong possibility I won't be.

Anyone who ever believed these writers when they say they always new where they were headed with this show....well....I got some swamp land to sell ya... they had ideas, but I will never believe them knowing how the show would end up.

The alarming thing, is them saying they ran out of time. That kind of proves they didn't know where they were going. What happened is that they created all this mystery, with no true way of explaining it all, spun their wheels for about half the show, not knowing how long the show would go. Then got an end date, and then turned to each other and stated " Well I guess we'd better come up with an ending now".

Which is fine....just don't insult my intelligence. With shows barely surviving anymore they didn't know if Lost was gonna be a success at the time. I'll never believe they were thinking that far in advance. They were probably caught off guard by the shows success at the time.

Anyway, even with this, I personally am enjoying the show this year. It all boils down to Jacob and MIB... If their backstory appeals to me, then I'll probably pretty happy. Cas this will answer all the big questions.

I can understand why Darlton might say they will refuse to talk about the show after the finale. Imagine it from their perspective. They know that whatever they come up with lots of people will be unhappy, but more than that they're creative professionals who want to move on to other things.

In The Prisoner (1967-68), when Patrick Macgoohan finally revealed who Number One was, lots of people were so angry, he had to leave the UK and take refuge in the US to escape death threats. So here is an example of someone providing an answer, but a lot of people were unhappy with that answer. Originally he wasn't going to provide that answer, but felt that he needed to give viewers SOMETHING. The problem was, that was an allegorical show, so the answer was also allegorical and people who didn't want to even try to use their brains and maybe dwell on it a bit got all torch and pitchfork on him. So I'm pretty sure this is why the producers are probably not going to be in front of anyone for awhile because they know that not everyone is going to like the way it ends. It has nothing to do with their writing, its just you cannot please everyone.

Fortunately The Prisoner became a classic and millions of people still debate it's meaning. They watch it over and over again trying to glean more meaning and new people see it and come in with their own interpretations. I'm hoping that Lost can become the same thing. I doubt there will be little interpretation as to why the battle we seeing is taking place or why our Losties were chosen, but at least left with a little mystery to go back and see if I can connect a few more dots.

Everyone has their own questions they want answers to .Henry Gale, they explained that enough for me.. Harper, don't really care. I hardly noticed her character. I have my questions too. But they said they were not going to answer them all so that's that.
I find Darlton's attitudes curious to say the least, a slap in our faces at worst. How could they have run out of time to answer the mysteries they created. But, to be fair, we never find out why the birds attack in "The Birds" but it doesn't ruin the movie for me.
I have been enjoying this season and I'm willing to give them the chance to end it their own way. There are not that many question's I really care about anymore. I either lost intrest or they gave me enough to piece together an answer with your help,
But, after reading the Washington Post article, I'm angry. They don't care in the least about this other than making the finale an EPIC! I think they had a beginning an an end, but nothing else, and now they will try to shoehorn things to fit. That's what I didn't want to happen,but here we are.
I will of course continue to watch with pleasure untill the last shows, then my pleasure might end.
Off topic--loved the Sopranos ending. You could read it either way. Maybe they are going for something like that.

Opinions, even negative ones, are welcome as long as they are backed with sound reasoning. A lot of the posts lately just seem to bash the show with no reasons given.

Then again, many of the "bashing" posts are full of solid reasons. Read the "didn't love it" threads sometime.

-steve

I don't post very often but love reading other peoples opinions and insights into a show that I have invested 5+ years watching and buying the DVD's.

I try not to go to deep in my understanding of the show (reading books that characters are reading, swotting up on mythology, physics, egyptology, etc) as I felt it would make me become too obsessive over the story that is unfolding and spending my time looking for clues rather than just enjoying a tv show, which ultimately, is what it is.

Not everybody shares the same opinion on things, end of, the world would be a boring place if we did don't you think? I have moments where I do wonder where it's all going and what it all means but ultimately, regardless of what questions are answered, I know I will come away from the Finale thinking "wow, that was one of the best television programmes I've ever seen". I love this show and will be so sad when it ends as it has kept me entertained on a Friday night, something which British television rarely does!!!

This thread reminds me of this.

Cheesy LOST! (http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=jiH4TYy5f0Q&v=tAGdJqaa3ag)

lol
sweet.

Here's the thing, and I've said this on a few other LOST forums; The "answers" are never going to be as good or as much fun as were the questions that led to them. That's just the way it is. How on Earth can anyone expect an answer that takes 5 minutes of an episode to compare with the question that took up 4 or 5 years?

People are losing the forest for the trees in this final season. They're acting like kids the night before Christmas. They don't give a damn about anything other than getting to open those presents. There's still a story to be told on LOST. Why not relax and let the writers take you where the story is headed? Don't waste the last season of a great show by ignoring everything but the "presents" under the tree.

What floors me is that people expect this season to be different from any other season. We're not going to have THE answers until the end - because whatever the answer is - once we have it, everything else should make sense. The impatience is baffling.

Screw the answers; I don't care about the answers. I just want the characters back. Who cares about a bunch of possessed people who used to be people whose stories we've watched for six years.

The Alt-Verse. It was a big, big mistake.

The Alt-Verse. It was a big, big mistake.

How can you say it was a "big, big mistake" when we don't know how it fits in yet? Once they show us how it fits in, you may think it was the best part of the 6 seasons.

Here's the thing, and I've said this on a few other LOST forums; The "answers" are never going to be as good or as much fun as were the questions that led to them.


Preaching to the choir. This is like comparing a movie to a book. The book is always better because the movie is never like what the reader makes up in their own mind. During season one everyone has their own answers and any answer that is not theirs, is a disappointment.

I get it. It was so obvious. why didn't anyone pick up on this earlier. You see in the story there are two armies forming of quasi-zombie-like participants.

Well that is what is happening here in the "real" world. Two factions are forming. One group who are the "LOST has lost it's way (pun most certainly intended). And the other faction of "trust the writers with your very lives".

The first group thinks the 2nd group is zombie-like in it's blind devotion to the show, whilst the second group thinks the 1st are a bunch of zombies just coming hear with the same meaningless grunts (The writers don't know what they are doing, they have jumped the shark, etc).

No matter what group you are in, lines are being drawn and we are the zombies. Darlton said it all along, the last season would be zombie season, and we are going to spend the time after the finale arguing the same things over and over and over again (it only ends once?). I am telling you they are brilliant.

epilogue to the above: everything is tongue and cheek. Please do not spend any more than a few seconds dissecting, analyzing, wikipedia-ing. What I said. However my two cents we have come this far, enjoy the ride as best you can.

Namaste

Screw the answers; I don't care about the answers. I just want the characters back. Who cares about a bunch of possessed people who used to be people whose stories we've watched for six years.


Precisely. It's not the actual answers I'm looking for for their own sake, but something to give what's happening on screen some context. The amount of the show that's mysterious at this point is undermining the character development for me.

Take this episode:

Sayid has been resurrected by unknown means - I'm not sure if he's "infected" or not, or what being "infected" would mean. I'm not even sure if he's still actually Sayid. He's told to kill the MiB by Dogen, but I don't know Dogen's intentions or much about him, or anything really about the MiB. Both characters have been set up in a way which makes me doubt whatever they say, and suggests that both characters may have abillities or a significance that I'm not aware of.

I don't think I'm reaching for anything here - I feel that these (MiB's and Dogen's intentions and abillities, Sayid's condition) are meant to be things we're speculating about at the moment. I want mystery - but having every part of a story element like this be vague without anything solid to frame the mystery against just leaves me personally feeling apathetic about it.

Hopefully things will start to make more sense soon.

I am seriously about to panic after last night's episode. :shock: I don't see how they can make sense of all this in the short time left.

Are we to understand that what is happening is dead Losties are being possessed by the smoke monster to construct an evil army? Are they actually going to dig up the previous dead Losties (as it appears Ben is doing in next week's previews) and have them possessed in some respect, possibly as good zombie army? I am not understanding or even seeing a hint at what Flocke/MIB's motive could even be for raising said army of evil zombies.

I'm not getting the parallel universe. What does it matter what happens in one parallel universe whilst you're being possessesd by an evil smoke monster in the other? I guess they (i.e. Sayid) could be saying in Universe #2 "Well, life's not so bad, had to kill some thugs who beat up by brother but found a cool Korean guy in the fridge", but the truth is, in Universe #1 - the REAL Universe? - Sayid is a possessed zombie so life IS so bad - way worse than he could possibly know!

Help me. It's looking cheezy and I'm getting scared. Even the temple set design in last night's episode was way cheezy.

WWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt tttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I totally agree. I am soooo frustrated with this season. The writers have always joked about a zombie season but who the heck thought they were being serious. I mean this season is so confusing. There are so many other things I want to know about like where Rose, Bernard and Vincent are. What's going on with Desmond? What about the whole Hanso Foundation and Dharma and the DeGroots? There's so many questions that it's crazy that this season is focusing on something totally new

I think we need to be told, and will be told, about the whispers. So that fills in a part of the mystery of the woman. But why is there this need to answer every mystery that was raised on the show? Certainly we want answers to the big questions, but I fail to see how a character that appeared in one episode needs to be fully explained.


We were already shown that the source of the Whispers were the mysterious Temple Others in the first episode. Wasn't that a mind blowing reveal? Must not have been since you missed it.

Screw the answers; I don't care about the answers. I just want the characters back. Who cares about a bunch of possessed people who used to be people whose stories we've watched for six years.


Although a bit coarse, this post makes an excellent point:

I think those of us that are criticizing the show are all being unfairly lumped into the "answer mongers" category, when many of us aren't actually demanding answers to every little thing.

I think a lot of us, answers aside, are unhappy with many other elements on the show and feel that it has lost its way. I cannot stress this point enough.

Personally, as I've said many a time now, I never expected to be handed all the answers on a silver platter. I also never expected half the stuff on the show to be answered. You can see from the link in my sig that half the mysteries listed are fonted in red, meaning I didn't think they would ever be answered. I also agree that many of the incidental things do not need to be answered.

That said, there are some answers which I do feel we deserve, mainly ones that have more or less determined the course of events in several past seasons.

This aside, my main frustration with the show (as simply as I can put it) lies not with the lacking answers, but with the baffling direction they have taken the narrative and many of our beloved characters.

I think those of us that are criticizing the show are all being unfairly lumped into the "answer mongers" category, when many of us aren't actually demanding answers to every little thing.

I think a lot of us, answers aside, are unhappy with many other elements on the show and feel that it has lost its way. I cannot stress this point enough.

This aside, my main frustration with the show (as simply as I can put it) lies not with the lacking answers, but with the baffling direction they have taken the narrative and many of our beloved characters.

i completely agree with those things.

in my opinion the show has been going downhill since the first episode of s2. but that's maninly because s1 was soooo freaking good. and they spent like the first four hours of s2 with two people holding guns on Locke. Ugh.

i am holding my judgement on it all until the end, but as of now i really dislike the alt.universe, really hope its not the "epilogue" of the show and am finding it hard to understand or care about.

i completely agree with those things.

in my opinion the show has been going downhill since the first episode of s2. but that's maninly because s1 was soooo freaking good. and they spent like the first four hours of s2 with two people holding guns on Locke. Ugh.

i am holding my judgement on it all until the end, but as of now i really dislike the alt.universe, really hope its not the "epilogue" of the show and am finding it hard to understand or care about.

You've been unhappy since season 2? Why are you still watching?

There's no hope of liking any of season 6...... beginning, middle or end, if you did not enjoy seasons 2-5.

Here's the thing, and I've said this on a few other LOST forums; The "answers" are never going to be as good or as much fun as were the questions that led to them.I don't agree with that. I think finding out what was in the hatch, Desmond's backstory, seeing New Otherton, etc., were all amazing reveals, giving us answers that were just as good, if not better, than when the questions were first asked.
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I think those of us that are criticizing the show are all being unfairly lumped into the "answer mongers" category, when many of us aren't actually demanding answers to every little thing.
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This aside, my main frustration with the show (as simply as I can put it) lies not with the lacking answers, but with the baffling direction they have taken the narrative and many of our beloved characters.I completely agree. I think the True Believers ;) who tell us how tired they are of reading negative things ("Why don't you just stop watching already!?") latch onto the Answermonger red herring because it's easier than responding to the criticisms about the storytelling.

Even when someone says, "I'm not complaining about the lack of answers" there will immediately be posts accusing them of just wanting someone to read off a list of answers! :D

I don't agree with that. I think finding out what was in the hatch, Desmond's backstory, seeing New Otherton, etc., were all amazing reveals, giving us answers that were just as good, if not better, than when the questions were first asked.


You're missing my point. I'm not saying the answers won't be "good" or interesting. The point was that after all the suspense and anticipation the answers are probably going to be a bit of a let down. In other words, the journey will always be better that arriving at the destination. That's what I mean by the answers will never be as much fan as were the questions that led to them. It wasn't a knock on the show so much as it was a knock on fans who are whining because they don't like what they're getting right now.

Someone in this thread nailed it when they said that "people are going to dislike any answer that wasn't their own."

Not to be inflammatory, but for me the characters are winning it this season. Just rewatch the Lighthouse scene with Jack and Hurley. And tell me you can't identify with them both.For me, the stellar performances by MF, TOQ and NA have already made this season worth it. I mean, check out TOQ in the scene with Helen where he concedes defeat, and MF at the LH when he questions poor Hurley repeatedly, and finally snaps.

They should give classes, IMO.

Btw, rewatching, I would do exactly what Jack did. No surprises, since he's my fave. But yes, I'd smash those frakkin mirrors, and demand some much needed, belated come uppance.

Also, brilliant music choice! You have the Jack is going to freak out music at exactly the right second, and who can't say that's a complete S1 throwback? I like!

I don't agree with that. I think finding out what was in the hatch, Desmond's backstory, seeing New Otherton, etc., were all amazing reveals, giving us answers that were just as good, if not better, than when the questions were first asked.
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I completely agree. I think the True Believers ;) who tell us how tired they are of reading negative things ("Why don't you just stop watching already!?") latch onto the Answermonger red herring because it's easier than responding to the criticisms about the storytelling.

Even when someone says, "I'm not complaining about the lack of answers" there will immediately be posts accusing them of just wanting someone to read off a list of answers! :D

There's a nasty side to everything, isn't there? I would agree that there are some that are just cheerleaders of the show and lack substantive arguments, but I would say that by relegating "the true believers' into such a negative and pigeonholed light explicitly strips "us" of any substantive credibility. Consequently, my conclusion (and many have touched upon this, including Beema), is that no one from either side are really taking in what others are saying; in other words, and I will quote the most arbitrary character that has ever been referenced on this forum, I'm sure, as Oscar Nunez of The Office once said,

"Debate doesn't work. Each side just gets more entrenched in their own point of view" (something to that effect)

If we want to have a discussion based upon the actual characters of the show, then let's have it, but I will say that the discourse of this discussion did not start out like that. With that said, I do agree that the show has significantly changed from the first season, as expected. I also will say that the beginning of the season (i.e. the first act, or the episode we have seen so far) have not completely sold me yet (but I remind myself that I have felt that way with every season [i..e season 3. weren't we all about to give up? Then the last act of episodes completely invigorated by passion for the show]). For myself, at least, there has been enough promise with the hints, clues and implicit plot foreshadowing to keep me very intrigued. For the first time, I have no frakkin idea where this show is taking us, and I think that is what is scaring most people. Ostensibly, this show has turned into a narrative about zombies. I would say, in the most trivialized sense, this is true, but I do believe that a rabbit will be puled out of a hat in the end.

Concerning, character motivations and decisions, I think we've been discussing this since the series started. I'll keep it short: I think all of us, at times, forget to take ourselves out of the convenient seat of God's view and forget certain narrative elements (i.e. Jack just blew up a nuclear bomb that he thought would save everyone he loves and cares about...yesterday).

I'm not saying the show is perfect, but I am enjoying it tremendously thus far. With every show, with every season, with everything I put my time into actually, I check my expectations at the door and save my judgments for the end. If this show ends up the way some of you think it might, then I'll be right there with you.

You know, I genuinely respect and admire Beema. Really. But I'm enjoying the bollox off this season, and hence I can't agree. However many answers we get, I'll be happy because following this show has been such a fulfilling, rewarding experience.

We were already shown that the source of the Whispers were the mysterious Temple Others in the first episode. Wasn't that a mind blowing reveal? Must not have been since you missed it.
That was not revealed. We heard whispers in the temple, but that does not mean that that is the source of the whispers. I absolutely believe we will be given more information on this.

Not to be inflammatory, but for me the characters are winning it this season. Just rewatch the Lighthouse scene with Jack and Hurley. And tell me you can't identify with them both.For me, the stellar performances by MF, TOQ and NA have already made this season worth it. I mean, check out TOQ in the scene with Helen where he concedes defeat, and MF at the LH when he questions poor Hurley repeatedly, and finally snaps.

They should give classes, IMO.

Btw, rewatching, I would do exactly what Jack did. No surprises, since he's my fave. But yes, I'd smash those frakkin mirrors, and demand some much needed, belated come uppance.

Also, brilliant music choice! You have the Jack is going to freak out music at exactly the right second, and who can't say that's a complete S1 throwback? I like!
I agree. I have started loving characters this season who I have not liked in a long time (Jack, Claire). I think the exploration of their alternate life and island life is fascinating. The contrasts between Jack being a loving father and Jack being a "broken" lonely island captive was absolutely beautiful. I still hope that the alternate universe ties to the original one somehow, but for right now I am happy watching these wonderful characters.

There's a nasty side to everything, isn't there? I would agree that there are some that are just cheerleaders of the show and lack substantive arguments, but I would say that by relegating "the true believers' into such a negative and pigeonholed light explicitly strips "us" of any substantive credibility. Consequently, my conclusion (and many have touched upon this, including Beema), is that no one from either side are really taking in what others are saying; in other words, and I will quote the most arbitrary character that has ever been referenced on this forum, I'm sure, as Oscar Nunez of The Office once said,

"Debate doesn't work. Each side just gets more entrenched in their own point of view" (something to that effect)

If we want to have a discussion based upon the actual characters of the show, then let's have it, but I will say that the discourse of this discussion did not start out like that. With that said, I do agree that the show has significantly changed from the first season, as expected. I also will say that the beginning of the season (i.e. the first act, or the episode we have seen so far) have not completely sold me yet (but I remind myself that I have felt that way with every season [i..e season 3. weren't we all about to give up? Then the last act of episodes completely invigorated by passion for the show]). For myself, at least, there has been enough promise with the hints, clues and implicit plot foreshadowing to keep me very intrigued. For the first time, I have no frakkin idea where this show is taking us, and I think that is what is scaring most people. Ostensibly, this show has turned into a narrative about zombies. I would say, in the most trivialized sense, this is true, but I do believe that a rabbit will be puled out of a hat in the end.

Concerning, character motivations and decisions, I think we've been discussing this since the series started. I'll keep it short: I think all of us, at times, forget to take ourselves out of the convenient seat of God's view and forget certain narrative elements (i.e. Jack just blew up a nuclear bomb that he thought would save everyone he loves and cares about...yesterday).

I'm not saying the show is perfect, but I am enjoying it tremendously thus far. With every show, with every season, with everything I put my time into actually, I check my expectations at the door and save my judgments for the end. If this show ends up the way some of you think it might, then I'll be right there with you.
Beautiful, just beautiful.

For my two cents, I will say this. Beema, and those who agree with her, your critisicms of the writing, characters, etc are valid. They're your opinion! Everyone is entitled to like or dislike something. What frustrates me is when people severly critisize things like the flash-sideways or MiB and Jacob when we dont' have those answers yet. How can we say the flashsideways is useless when its purpose has not been revealed yet? It may end up making total sense.

Like afterthegoldrush said (I always agree with you :biggrin:), I think the tendency to "panic" is coming from the fact that for the first time, no one has any idea where this show is headed. With past storytelling modes and plotlines, we all had at least some sense of why they were being used and to what end they would come. Not this time. This time, we're standing on faith alone. I understand completely why that frustrates/frightens some viewers, but I say to them, "it aint over till the fat lady sings."

This is not to be connected with any other critisism you may have, beema. If you didn't like the writing in one particular episode, or you didn't like a certain character, that's a matter of opinion. I welcome your discussion on these things--it's always good to have a diversity of opinion!

All that work done to develop the Others, their polar bear cages, the relationships between these characters, are now reduced to ZOMBIES?? And do NOT try to tell me they aren't zombies! They ARE!

BRAINS!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6K9zK9ZWSg&feature=related

I may beginning so see the point that perhaps literal zombification did not occur with Flocke, Sayid, and Claire. Flocke is most definately possessed by an entity. I am thinking now that demonic possession is a more accurate description of the phenomenon taking place. Or a phenomenon analogous to Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

NO LESS LAME.

Sayid and Claire are acting and looking like morons in the last scene last week where they were walking out of the Temple - Claire with that dopey smile on her face. A more somber zombie-like demeanor would have been preferable. I thought vampires was all the rage now?

I remain deeply concerned by the inevitable inference to be drawn by next week's preview showing Ben doin some grave-diggin in an already occupied plot. I can't imagine what the goal would be other than to match possessed body with possessed body.

Even more concerned after hearing the "answers smanswers" mantra apparently being promoted by the writers. The reason we want answers is because the mysteries the writers set up were SO COOL AND INTRIGUING AND GOT US HOOKED! If there are no answers given then that leads to the logical conclusion that there were no answers to begin with!! And now, backs against the wall, they go -- "Hey - look!! MIB is creating an army of evil via non-zombie-possession of what's-her-name and what's-his-name!!"

THE CLOCK IS TICKING, MY FRIENDS! I think the writers had to choose a horse and they went with the pseudo-zombie horse. I will be the first to celebrate if I am dead (or undead) wrong.

I may beginning so see the point that perhaps literal zombification did not occur with Flocke, Sayid, and Claire. Flocke is most definately possessed by an entity. I am thinking now that demonic possession is a more accurate description of the phenomenon taking place. Or a phenomenon analogous to Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

NO LESS LAME.

Sayid and Claire are acting and looking like morons in the last scene last week where they were walking out of the Temple - Claire with that dopey smile on her face. A more somber zombie-like demeanor would have been preferable. I thought vampires was all the rage now?

I remain deeply concerned by the inevitable inference to be drawn by next week's preview showing Ben doin some grave-diggin in an already occupied plot. I can't imagine what the goal would be other than to match possessed body with possessed body.

Even more concerned after hearing the "answers smanswers" mantra apparently being promoted by the writers. The reason we want answers is because the mysteries the writers set up were SO COOL AND INTRIGUING AND GOT US HOOKED! If there are no answers given then that leads to the logical conclusion that there were no answers to begin with!! And now, backs against the wall, they go -- "Hey - look!! MIB is creating an army of evil via non-zombie-possession of what's-her-name and what's-his-name!!"

THE CLOCK IS TICKING, MY FRIENDS! I think the writers had to choose a horse and they went with the pseudo-zombie horse. I will be the first to celebrate if I am dead (or undead) wrong.

Now that you put it that way, that's actually pretty cool.

I guess I feel the need to say that I'm in the "what about *blank* in season *blank*" crowd. I love LOST and continue to watch on the edge of my seat. I'm also one of those folks who spent the first 5 seasons studying screen caps, listening to whispers, reading and discussing threads here and other places, and spending time in long-distance phone calls with friends who are equally obsessed with the meaning of this or that.
I will love LOST, however it ends, for the endless entertainment we obsessives have received.

After reading this thread and the article that was linked, I still hope that most of my pet mysteries are answered, (Orchid, FDW, D.I., Hanso, orientation/brainwashing videos, numbers, etc.) but I won't melt if I don't get Jack's tats.

YOU GUYS.

I have inside information that will end this discussion once and for all. My buddy who works for a production company put up a video that they just shot for an undisclosed ABC show. Seriously, you guys. Watch it. It will give you so many answers and it's the best I've seen one particular character in a very long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgbKJWDxcE&feature=player_embedded

You're missing my point. I'm not saying the answers won't be "good" or interesting. The point was that after all the suspense and anticipation the answers are probably going to be a bit of a let down.But that's exactly what I was responding to. I've found the answers given in the past to NOT be a let down. In fact, being given a piece of the puzzle that ties so many elements together from earlier in the story (or just outright makes me go "Woah!") is one of the most satisfying things about these type of movies/books/TV shows.

Not that the "journey" isn't a pleasure as well (though I'm one of those who finds there hasn't been a whole lot of journeying on the show lately... ;)).

YOU GUYS.

I have inside information that will end this discussion once and for all. My buddy who works for a production company put up a video that they just shot for an undisclosed ABC show. Seriously, you guys. Watch it. It will give you so many answers and it's the best I've seen one particular character in a very long time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgbKJWDxcE&feature=player_embedded

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Michael Emerson's so young!!

You're missing my point. I'm not saying the answers won't be "good" or interesting. The point was that after all the suspense and anticipation the answers are probably going to be a bit of a let down. In other words, the journey will always be better that arriving at the destination. That's what I mean by the answers will never be as much fan as were the questions that led to them. It wasn't a knock on the show so much as it was a knock on fans who are whining because they don't like what they're getting right now
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How many movies, TV shows, and books have existed that are based on mysteries? Countless right? This idea that the journey is always better than the destination is complete bull. So many works of fiction manage to balance suspense and anticipation with advancing the plot, revealing answers, and satisfying fans.

I'm happy for those who don't have a problem with the pace and progress of the show. Of course some people are going to be fine with it and I wouldn't try to talk then into feeling differently. So why can't those people feel the same about fans who aren't happy? Why do they care what others think? I don't agree with every complaint so I stay away from those discussions. Good advice huh?



Someone in this thread nailed it when they said that "people are going to dislike any answer that wasn't their own."


Sorry but this is another excuse. People like to be surprised and don't expect to figure everything out. And if something is revealed the the way they assumed, and if it's done well, there's a lot of satisfaction in watching the scenario play out.


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I'm not saying the show is perfect, but I am enjoying it tremendously thus far

Excellent. I hope you continue to enjoy it. There are many people who are, and will no matter what. Why not let those who aren't enjoying it, not enjoy it and share their criticisms and frustrations with each other? Those conversations are pretty easy to avoid and even easier to avoid taking the time to respond to.



If this show ends up the way some of you think it might, then I'll be right there with you.

I'll save you a seat just in case.

Oh, and I'm still crazy to find out where "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller was coming from when Sayid and Hurley picked it up on the beach. My Dad and I freaked out and started our time-travel discussions back then. If signals to and from the Island were blocked, where did that transmission come from? Sorry, I know these little mysteries don't matter to many, but I wish I knew.

By the way, when you're watching a mystery on TV, do you really *not* care "whodunit" at the end? (not to mention *how* theydunit?)

Oh, and I'm still crazy to find out where "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller was coming from when Sayid and Hurley picked it up on the beach. My Dad and I freaked out and started our time-travel discussions back then. If signals to and from the Island were blocked, where did that transmission come from? Sorry, I know these little mysteries don't matter to many, but I wish I knew.

By the way, when you're watching a mystery on TV, do you really *not* care "whodunit" at the end? (not to mention *how* theydunit?)
Of course I care. And I have total faith that the most important mysteries on lost will be solved by the end. :biggrin: I'm sure, by the end of the finale, we'll know "whodunit" and how.

Oh, and I'm still crazy to find out where "Moonlight Serenade" by Glenn Miller was coming from when Sayid and Hurley picked it up on the beach. My Dad and I freaked out and started our time-travel discussions back then. If signals to and from the Island were blocked, where did that transmission come from? Sorry, I know these little mysteries don't matter to many, but I wish I knew.

By the way, when you're watching a mystery on TV, do you really *not* care "whodunit" at the end? (not to mention *how* theydunit?)

I think it was answered during that episode. Signals bounce off the ionicsphere and can be picked up by radio transceivers. It was nothing more but to signal what was to lie ahead (i.e.season five).

Also, to answer a "mystery" like that and try to tie it into the larger plot would be horribly irresponsible. I think more people would be upset if they gave obvious precious screen time to answer something so miniscule.

Well now apparently even the actors are not so happy with the ending either.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2010/03/michael-emerson-gives-up-tryin.html
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By the way, when you're watching a mystery on TV, do you really *not* care "whodunit" at the end? (not to mention *how* theydunit?)

I certainly do care. I think the situations they are dealing with on the show currently will be answered. But that's it and it pisses me off.

Well now apparently even the actors are not so happy with the ending either.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2010/03/michael-emerson-gives-up-tryin.html
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I certainly do care. I think the situations they are dealing with on the show currently will be answered. But that's it and it pisses me off.

I don't see how Emerson's comments prove anything? Since the season 6 opener in Hawaii, he's been very open about how he's been confused about how the show will end. With that, there is no implicit negative remarks about how the show will end, it's just that he has no idea how it will end, and why should he?

Moreover, there was another interview where Emerson said he's had a three week vacation because he was not required to work. When the interviewer inevitably asked why, Emerson responded, "They have bigger fish to fry".

Lastly, the actors who have been interviewed, Terry O Quinn and Nestor Carbonell especially, have expressed adamant faith in what they've seen so far. For example, in the most recent official Lost podcast, you can watch both of them genuinely excited about what's to come.

I think it was answered during that episode. Signals bounce off the ionicsphere and can be picked up by radio transceivers. It was nothing more but to signal what was to lie ahead (i.e.season five).

Also, to answer a "mystery" like that and try to tie it into the larger plot would be horribly irresponsible. I think more people would be upset if they gave obvious precious screen time to answer something so miniscule.


I do understand that things like that (the little things) probably won't be answered and I'll be ok with it.

However, I do understand "skip", having picked up distant signals with both AM radio and HAM radio. However, if that were the case, they'd have been picking up all sorts of signals all the time and their transmissions would have carried after they disabled the jam and before they disabled the Looking Glass.
I think it was cool that they used a Glenn Miller song, since his plane disappeared, We kept hoping Amelia Earhart would be on the Island and dating Glenn Miller. :-)

Anyway, I'm still thrilled with LOST and look forward to every episode with great anticipation, even though I agree with the thread title.

I hope the writers went through all of the angsty Unanswered Questions on various boards and did their level best to explain the FDW, where the rest of the Statue went, who built what and why, and where that darn door station went, if anywhere. :-D

This board has helped me through the dry spells and I appreciate everyone on here.
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However, if that were the case, they'd have been picking up all sorts of signals all the time and their transmissions would have carried after they disabled the jam and before they disabled the Looking Glass.



Ok, not all the time, but I was trying to think of it in terms of the Island somehow trapping signals from another time. Unless it was LIVE! Glenn Miller plays the Temple!

I was a little confused by one part of the article" It says that Matthew Fox said people might not be satisfied with the ending - but I have read several other places where he said that he thought people WOULD be satisfied with the ending.

Lost is still fun. I look forward to it every week. enjoy the freakin escape for an hour a week folks.

ugggghhh

Im gonna be blunt:

Shut up, relax, and enjoy the show ^__^!!!

and don't expect lil mysteries to be explained. I actually doubt the Statue and Lighthouse will be explained.

I don't see how Emerson's comments prove anything? Since the season 6 opener in Hawaii, he's been very open about how he's been confused about how the show will end. With that, there is no implicit negative remarks about how the show will end, it's just that he has no idea how it will end, and why should he?

Moreover, there was another interview where Emerson said he's had a three week vacation because he was not required to work. When the interviewer inevitably asked why, Emerson responded, "They have bigger fish to fry".

Lastly, the actors who have been interviewed, Terry O Quinn and Nestor Carbonell especially, have expressed adamant faith in what they've seen so far. For example, in the most recent official Lost podcast, you can watch both of them genuinely excited about what's to come.

Agreed. I have yet to read a negative comment from cast and/or crew.

Im gonna be blunt:

Shut up, relax, and enjoy the show ^__^!!!

and don't expect lil mysteries to be explained. I actually doubt the Statue and Lighthouse will be explained.

To me it feels like they are now trying to make everything feel like a little mystery even though at the time it was driving the plot of the show. I'm not one to let stuff like this slide and if things like the fertility issues, the whispers and Widmore are regulated to "little mysteries" then I won't be happy.

I don't even think the statue is a little mystery. It's been references and shown so many times to not at least tell us how it broke would be annoying. They don't have to show it, but it's they who asked us to ask the question to begin with.

To me it feels like they are now trying to make everything feel like a little mystery even though at the time it was driving the plot of the show. I'm not one to let stuff like this slide and if things like the fertility issues, the whispers and Widmore are regulated to "little mysteries" then I won't be happy.

I don't even think the statue is a little mystery. It's been references and shown so many times to not at least tell us how it broke would be annoying. They don't have to show it, but it's they who asked us to ask the question to begin with.
Yeah, I agree, to say something like the statue is a small mystery is almost offensive, to me. I do feel that a lot of things that most of us want to know will be ignored and forgotten, but I still say that a lot of things will get answered. I'm hoping for Smokey to fully be explained, he's Jacob enemy is not enough of an explanation, how did this MIB learn to turn into Smokey. More about the Black Rock, anything, I really want to see Richard in his chains. Where Jacob and MIB came from would also be nice. But things like Adam and Eve, are probably gone and done with, we would need more TT for those to be exaplained and frankly there isn't enough time left for a new TT story.

I think we will get answers that are being mentioned this season, but a lot of the old,old ones won't. With no answers all these years I tooks to this board and managed to come up with some kind of conclusion. I don't think all of them are relevent now and they have moved on.
We have a lot of time to find out about the statue, but some ancient people bulit it, and it was damaged in an earthquake or something. I eahdon't need to know anything more,really.
I have the feeling that a lot of people are primed too not enjoy this final season because of a lack of answers. Yeah, they may have F***** it up, but let them tell their story their way.

Im gonna be blunt:

Shut up, relax, and enjoy the show ^__^!!!

and don't expect lil mysteries to be explained. I actually doubt the Statue and Lighthouse will be explained.

At least half the fun of watching Lost for me is theorizing and tearing apart everything looking for clues. This is a theory forum. Shutting up and enjoying the show is not an option for me, and it never has been.

I don't even think the statue is a little mystery. It's been references and shown so many times to not at least tell us how it broke would be annoying. They don't have to show it, but it's they who asked us to ask the question to begin with.


The statue broke when the island went underwater.

For your consideration.

I feel the frustration of the fans who want answers. Real, solid answers. The problem is that too many of us are getting so wrapped up in the finer details and technicalities, we're in danger of missing the bigger picture entirely. Have we forgotten what lured us into the world of Lost to begin with? Not the need for answers, but the questions themselves... the characters and their connections to one another in this larger-than-life game of hide and seek. There IS a bigger picture here. Questions of science against faith, good versus evil, free will and fate, humanity, spirituality, immortality, morality, redemption, damnation, identity, purpose... these are all questions we've asked ourselves since the dawn of thought in fiction as well as reality, to which the possibilities are infinite and answers remain ambiguous. Why should the "Mysteries of Lost" be any less complex?

This is not the story of strangers lost on a mysterious island or somewhere in time. This is the story of strangers lost in LIFE, not unlike ourselves right here in the real world.

Flocke has already told us the one question we should be asking. He told Sawyer in "Lighthouse" that he can answer to the one most important question in the WORLD: "Why are you [Sawyer] here?" Was he just blowing smoke (pun intended), exploiting Sawyer's vulnerability? Probably, yeah... but he's right, because for Sawyer that IS the most important question. It is for everyone, isn't it? In the end it doesn't really matter where we are or how we got here- but WHY? Though the answer may be different from one person to the next, the question remains forever the same and tie that binds us... our "constant".

The creative minds behind Lost have assured us that our questions will be answered, and there's no doubt in my mind that they will be... when the time is right. So much of what we want to know is bound to be left open to individual interpretation, however- and to those remaining the answers may already be staring us in the face and we just don't see them yet because we aren't exactly sure what we're looking for or aren't looking the right way. One of Lost's most appealing characteristics- along with it's stellar cast and unique storytelling style- is that it makes you THINK. I don't know about any of you, but I love that. I mean sure, it hurts sometimes... but I'm getting used to it and I always keep the Excederin handy in the all-too-likely event that yet another question arises.

7he Sleepless Dreamer :

Great Post, I couldn'thave said it better myself.
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As far as the Statue is concerned once Jacob and MIB had their conversation, I thought the Statue was to show how long they had been on the ISland and how long this process had been going on. That was enough of an answer for me and IMO, wasn't a major plot line.