I think I am forgetting something. When Richard first showed up, Hurley seemed to know him. I know Jack does from the 1977 scenes with Eloise, and Sayid met him then too. Sawyer met him in New Otherton in 1974. But Hurley wasn't around for these. How does he know who Richard is?

I think I am forgetting something. When Richard first showed up, Hurley seemed to know him. I know Jack does from the 1977 scenes with Eloise, and Sayid met him then too. Sawyer met him in New Otherton in 1974. But Hurley wasn't around for these. How does he know who Richard is?
Well he...um...yeah how does he know that?

Ugh, this is really bugging me. Still thinking of more Richard scenes. Kate and Sayid were captured by him in the S4 finale. Sun met him with Frank and unLocke after the Ajira crash. Jin probably saw him talking to Sawyer in 1977. Daniel, Charlotte, Sawyer, Miles and Locke met him in the 1950. But I don't remember Hurley EVER meeting him. Someone help! :)

Last season I kept asking how anyone knew Ben turned a wheel. In retrospect; Richard could've told Locke before he *poofed*.

But Hugo would've had to have seen RA, in the past for this to make sense.

Good ? JennyLee

I think I am forgetting something. When Richard first showed up, Hurley seemed to know him. I know Jack does from the 1977 scenes with Eloise, and Sayid met him then too. Sawyer met him in New Otherton in 1974. But Hurley wasn't around for these. How does he know who Richard is?Was Hurley watching the conversation between Sawyer and Richard from the bungalow in 74??

Was Hurley watching the conversation between Sawyer and Richard from the bungalow in 74??

No Hurley was one of the Oceanic 6. They weren't there when Sawyer talked to Richard. They arrived in 1977.

Yeah just double checked on Lostpedia, they never met....I mean I'm sure Hurley knows of Richard Alpert, you have to assume alot of characters share information off screen....we have only seen the equivalent of about 100 hours worth of these peoples lives while the main part of the shows spans over 3 years...there is alot of stuff we dont see. But still, he should have acted more like they had never met and Hurley should have introduced himself.

Was Hurley watching the conversation between Sawyer and Richard from the bungalow in 74??

I had the same thought, but that was before Hurley came back to the island.

Was Hurley watching the conversation between Sawyer and Richard from the bungalow in 74??
Edit: never mind, it's been covered

Just because it seemed that Hurley recognized Alpert, doesn't mean he did. I mean think about all that Hurley has seen! So Hurley seeing a stranger in the woods probably wouldn't affect him too much. Especially since he knows there are Others that he hasn't met. Perhaps he just deducted that Alpert was an Other that he hasn't seen or met.

Could be a minor slip on the writers part. I don't remember any scene where Richard and Hurley were together before today. Even on the dock, Richard wasn't there. It was Ben and Tom and some Others.

This may be a geniune continuity error! Which I for one am totally able to forgive, at any rate. I don't think they've met, but they're juggling a lot of moving parts on this show. Pretty minor.

Well, I guess my idea of the writer's having a big map of each character with lines draw all over the place must not be true. If there was a scene where Hurley met Richard before this one, I can't remember it.

Hurley says to Jack, "and you trust this guy?", implying that he doesn't know him. Having some guy wearing eyeliner jump out at you in the middle of the jungle probably isn't even the strangest thing that's happened to Hurley today, so I wouldn't have expected a huge, "OMG! WHO ARE YOU?" reaction.

As others have said, it's not the worst continuity error ever, but good catch, Jenny. I totally did not even think of that. It was just such a given to me that they would know each other. You are truly Richard's #1 fan! ;)

Hurley never met RIchard but that doesn't mean he doesn't know of him. Jack probably said who he was after Hurley asked Jack if he trusted Richard. Hurley, being nosey and wanting (freakin) answers, was just curious of Richards "gift".

Also, we've seen Hurley and Miles spend a lot of time together, so they have probably spent plenty of time talking off camera. I would assume Miles would've mentioned the talk between Guyliner and Sawyer at some point. Hurley does know of The Others, so I'm sure Miles would've known it would interest him.

I'm not saying it happened, I'm just saying it could have happened.

Just because it seemed that Hurley recognized Alpert, doesn't mean he did. I mean think about all that Hurley has seen! So Hurley seeing a stranger in the woods probably wouldn't affect him too much. Especially since he knows there are Others that he hasn't met. Perhaps he just deducted that Alpert was an Other that he hasn't seen or met.

but he asked him why he hasn't aged in 30 years.


ugh now i'm getting concerned that this is a huge plothole by our supposed 'genius' writers.
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Well, I guess my idea of the writer's having a big map of each character with lines draw all over the place must not be true. If there was a scene where Hurley met Richard before this one, I can't remember it.


well they hired Gregg Nations for just this purpose. One of the DVD extras showed just how finicky he is - including keeping track of who has what gun and geographic locations of the characters on the island to make sure two parties don't cross paths in a non sensical way.


Yet they can't keep straight whether two characters have met or not? I'm surprised people are considering this minor. Not sure how it could get much bigger.

The impression I got from that scene was that Hurley had no idea who he was. I think it was Jack who asked him why he still looked the same. That would make more sense.

ugh now i'm getting concerned that this is a huge plothole by our supposed 'genius' writers.

Their scene immediately stuck out to me as odd, because I don't remember them ever running across each other. It really did feel awkward AND like we were supposed to notice it wasn't quite right.

But then again, I'm still hung up on "Adrift" (Season 2) where Sawyer somehow magically knows what Rousseau said to the beach Losties AFTER the rafties had already shipped off. Sticks in my craw, it does....


well they hired Gregg Nations for just this purpose. One of the DVD extras showed just how finicky he is - including keeping track of who has what gun and geographic locations of the characters on the island to make sure two parties don't cross paths in a non sensical way.

And he does have a map of how each person is connected to another. Now, whether or not he has a map of which characters have ever met, who knows? But it really did stick out in a strange way. Sorta like if Sun or Lapidus met Dogen & were just like, "Hey man, 'sup?"

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Perusing through Lostpedia's article on RA, I can't see where he met Hurley prior to tonight's episode.

Well, to save the continuity day I will fill in the blank with a "what if" scenario. Since Hugo was in 1977 with the Dharma folks, wouldn't it make sense for the head of security aka Sawyer to have some recon photos of the "enemy" stuck up some place? Maybe Hurley recognized him from one of those photos.

Having some guy wearing eyeliner jump out at you in the middle of the jungle probably isn't even the strangest thing that's happened to Hurley today, so I wouldn't have expected a huge, "OMG! WHO ARE YOU?" reaction.

It's not that, it's that Hurley struck up a conversation with Richard about why he doesn't age.

We have no evidence to support that Hurley would know anything about that situation.

The only people who have seen Richard in more than one time period are those that traveled back in time because of the wheel-turn, and then the brief interaction that Jack, Kate, and Sayid had with him at the Others camp and underground with the bomb.

It's also interesting to note that Jack has not seen Richard since he left them underground at gunpoint in 1977. I'm surprised that Jack, and not Hurley, didn't appear more "gobsmacked" when Richard popped out of the jungle looking the same.

I think it should of been Jack, and not Hurley, who asked Richard about his agelessness. But of course, Hurley does it because he's the "voice of the fans."
Imo, his voice of fan-ness is getting a bit overdone this season.

I'm not even sure when offscreen someone would of informed Hurley of Richard's agelessness. Maybe Sawyer explained to everyone how he got to be LaFleur, but unless he held up a picture of Richard as he was explaining, it wouldn't make sense.

Anyways, seeing as how I didn't even notice this while watching the episode, I really don't care. But it is definitely a continuity goof.

So in summation, I find this to be a pretty dumb continuity goof.
I'm not even sure when offscreen someone would of informed Hurley of Richard's agelessness.
It could have been Miles
"Whatever Happened, Happened"
[Juliet walks in to the house and interrupts Miles and Hurley playing dominoes.]
JULIET: Where's Jack?
MILES: Uh he--he's in the shower. I think.
HURLEY: Is he in trouble?
JULIET: I just need to talk to him. You two mind giving us some privacy?
[Hurley and Miles look at each for a moment, then get up and leave the house.]
MILES: Hey, ask me more questions about time travel.

This is like when Sun knew Ben killed Keamy thus causing the C4 to explode and "kill" Jin, even though Ben and Locke were the the only witnesses and they didn't tell anybody after.

I don't remember the dialogue but I didn't get the impression that Hurley DID know Richard. What lines is everyone specifically referring to where he acts like he knows him?

Jack expressed a familiarity with him and that's to be expected since in Jack's timeline, they met a few days ago. I think Hurley was just following his lead, just like Sun and Ilana assumed a familiarity with Miles last episode because Ben and Frank knew him.

It seemed like again Hurley is just voicing the audience. Asking those silly questions like he was asking Sayid, ie. Are you a zombie? It is almost like taking direct Fuselage threads and Hurley just reads them as an intentional wink to the audience.

This is why he knows Richard and that he doesnt age. Because we know.
(He also could have known Richard was a young guy about 30-40 in 1977, then sees that he is still that age and asks. Doesn't necessarily need to know his exact appearance.

There was a gap between them seeing Richard and Hurley asking that question. In that gap off-screen, Hurley asked Jack how does he know him, and Jack said he met him in 1977 and that he didn't age from that time. Then, we saw the scene where Hurley questions him about not aging.

There, problem solved.

Even if somebody else had informed Hurley of Richard's existence and agelessness, it would not account for Hurley's recognising him in person and referring to the thirty years. Perhaps the Hurley-Richard meeting will happen in a future epidsode; Hurley-centric or Richard-centric.

There was a gap between them seeing Richard and Hurley asking that question. In that gap off-screen, Hurley asked Jack how does he know him, and Jack said he met him in 1977 and that he didn't age from that time. Then, we saw the scene where Hurley questions him about not aging.

There, problem solved. That would work for me.

When Richard appeared it certainly seemed as if Hurley did not know him (which he doesn't as we have never seen them in the same place at the same time before on the show).

The next scene felt like it began mid-conversation, and I think it's complete reasonable for them to have been talking about things such as the fact that Richard looks exactly the same - and that's even assuming that nobody else had mentioned this Richard Alpert chap to Hurley at some point, which is also likley.

I don't think there is any problem with it all.


What I feel is far more interesting, is that Richard made no mention whatsoever of Jack's Crazy Plan to Detonate a Bomb in 1997. Of course they can't have him asking that because it might clue us in on whether whatever happened happened or didn't actually happen or whatever....

But maybe that belongs in a different thread. :redface:

Richard was also Ben's second-in-command when Jack was hanging out at New Otherton.

That would work for me.

When Richard appeared it certainly seemed as if Hurley did not know him (which he doesn't as we have never seen them in the same place at the same time before on the show).

The next scene felt like it began mid-conversation, and I think it's complete reasonable for them to have been talking about things such as the fact that Richard looks exactly the same - and that's even assuming that nobody else had mentioned this Richard Alpert chap to Hurley at some point, which is also likley.

I don't think there is any problem with it all.


What I feel is far more interesting, is that Richard made no mention whatsoever of Jack's Crazy Plan to Detonate a Bomb in 1997. Of course they can't have him asking that because it might clue us in on whether whatever happened happened or didn't actually happen or whatever....

But maybe that belongs in a different thread. :redface:
Thanks everyone for answering me! I felt like I was going crazy.

Partyman, I agree with everything you say here. I had forgotten there was a break in the middle of their conversation. And yes, Richard and Jack should have had MANY more questions for each other. But perhaps now that they have bonded over fizzled dynamite, they will talk more freely.

That would work for me.


What I feel is far more interesting, is that Richard made no mention whatsoever of Jack's Crazy Plan to Detonate a Bomb in 1997. Of course they can't have him asking that because it might clue us in on whether whatever happened happened or didn't actually happen or whatever....

But maybe that belongs in a different thread. :redface:
Maybe this really belongs in a different thread, but Richard should have asked Jack how come he is alive.
Richard should also be asked some tough questions by Sun,
because back in 5.15 (Follow the Leader), he tells Sun (when she shows him the picture of Jack Hurley and Kate Joining the DHARMA):
"Yes I was here 30 years ago, and I do, I remember these people, I remember meeting them very clearly because, I watched them all die"

Maybe this really belongs in a different thread, but Richard should have asked Jack how come he is alive.
Richard should also be asked some tough questions by Sun,
because back in 5.15 (Follow the Leader), he tells Sun (when she shows him the picture of Jack Hurley and Kate Joining the DHARMA):
"Yes I was here 30 years ago, and I do, I remember these people, I remember meeting them very clearly because, I watched them all die"

With some people dying and other people flashing through time and seeming to die but showing back up, I'm sure a Richard bent on a "my life is meanlingness" self-pity fog is just like "Oh great, here's another one, maybe he can blow me up," rather than wondering who's alive or dead or flashing at that point.

With some people dying and other people flashing through time and seeming to die but showing back up, I'm sure a Richard bent on a "my life is meanlingness" self-pity fog is just like "Oh great, here's another one, maybe he can blow me up," rather than wondering who's alive or dead or flashing at that point.

Where was Richard when the bomb went off? Maybe he just thought they all died because the bomb went off where they were standing and then they weren't there anymore. If I saw that I'd think they were toast.

Seamless editing. I didn't catch it right away. I only thought about it this morning while reading somebody else's favorite scenes. How many times can Hurley get away with a zombie, cyborg, vampire, Star Wars quip without it crossing over into another dimension, someplace we don't want Lost to go with so few episodes left? But it didn't bother me at the time and I can forgive it now. It's okay. Just don't do it again.

How many times can Hurley get away with a zombie, cyborg, vampire, Star Wars quip without it crossing over into another dimension, someplace we don't want Lost to go with so few episodes left?
You don't think LOST has already crossed into that dimension???

How many times can Hurley get away with a zombie, cyborg, vampire, Star Wars quip without it crossing over into another dimension, someplace we don't want Lost to go with so few episodes left?
By the way, Jorge said in his latest Geronimo Jacksbeard podcast that he actually threw the vampire line in himself, to see if he could get away with it. :)

Hurley didn't just pretend to know him. He asked why Richard didn't age. He said that Richard looked the same 30 years ago. This implies that he looked at him before.

Was there a scene missing with Hurley around the time that Sawyer took YoungBen to the Others? Did he secretly follow Jack and Kate out to the camp when WhatsHisFace got shot by Ellie?

HMMMM

That said, it's now a minor mystery compared to all those others that are out there.

This might be a question for Gregg Nations. Perhaps there was a cut scene, or the writers simply overlooked the fact the two had never met...

I think I am forgetting something. When Richard first showed up, Hurley seemed to know him. I know Jack does from the 1977 scenes with Eloise, and Sayid met him then too. Sawyer met him in New Otherton in 1974. But Hurley wasn't around for these. How does he know who Richard is?
There's no reason Hurley should have recognized Richard......at least not from the show we have been watching. Chalk another one up to continuity error.

What the heck, let me add my comment to this thread....

I never had this question run through my mind when Hurley saw Richard. This, to me, is not a big deal and I don't think it will matter in the grand scheme of things. I think it was just a mistake by the writers.

Oh well, stuff happens, sometimes.

There's no reason Hurley should have recognized Richard......at least not from the show we have been watching. Chalk another one up to continuity error.
Yes, and one that doesn't matter. It's not as though anything developed from their conversation, plotwise.

I guess it shows how well the writers have been paying attention...

We can't possibly see every interaction between characters. It stands to reason that Hurley met Richard or at least saw him in the 70's. Maybe in another episode we will see that interaction, maybe we won't. I can understand being upset if something major supposedly happened and it wasn't shown, but I really don't care if they don't show a brief character meeting. They were on the island during the same time period, they very easily could have at least seen each other.

It's possible Hurley could be going forward in time rather than backward. By that I mean, Hurley is wondering why Alpert hasn't changed from 2004 to 2007.

This is obviously a hint. The writers would never make a mistake, so they wanted us to notice it.

I bet if we manage to decipher this, we will be 99,7% closer to solving Lost!

The first one to get the reference will be the new No. 1 Lostigator!

I'm still banking on their first meeting being shown in a Hurley- or Richard-centric episode in the future.

I guess it shows how well the writers have been paying attention...

I could see this slipping by the writers even though they should probably know better, but HELLO, there is a man whose job it is to catch all this crap. Gregg Nations ring any bells?

How hard is it to keep a running tally of who has met who, and in what capacity? A list like that would have caught this error.

We can't possibly see every interaction between characters. It stands to reason that Hurley met Richard or at least saw him in the 70's.How long was Hurley in the 70's? Wasn't it just a couple of days? The fact that Richard was upper management for the Hostiles and Hurley was a cook with Dharma, two groups with little interaction as it was, works against the notion they probably saw each other during such a short period. (Add to that we saw what Richard was up to for a good portion of that time.)

I agree with the general idea that it won't have a huge effect on the plot (and I never would have noticed if not for this thread), but I'd find it a bit dismaying if it was a mistake...

I think we joined them mid-conversation, after Jack introduced Hurley to Richard. So that's where we joined them in the convo.

No point in wasting time on things we already know about.

I think we joined them mid-conversation, after Jack introduced Hurley to Richard. So that's where we joined them in the convo.

No point in wasting time on things we already know about. Yeah I definitely agree.

I have rewatched it several times now and am pretty sure that Hurley does not recognise him, hence his question to Jack.

Sticking with my theory that he had probably heard of Richard and the not-ageing thing at some point, probably from Miles. :)

Adam and Partyman.....come on.

MIles may have seen Richard in the past, but he hasn't in the future. Hurley asks how Richard could look the same, though he has never seen the man before. How could he know to ask that question? Jack could have told him on the commercial break, but why would Hurley be the one hot to find the answer? He's talking to Richard like they have spoken before.

"You trust that guy?" not "Uh, who the hell's that guy?" Not a reaction to someone who you've never seen who just appears out of the jungle and tells you to follow them. Fool yourself, if you want, but you ain't fooling me. When people say "You trust that guy?" what they mean is "You and I both know that guy is untrustworthy." It doesn't imply that he is unknown. It implies he is well known.

It's a mistake. I understand you are going for the NoPrize, but it doesn't wash. Hurley implies having seen Richard before, which, according to what we were shown, he hasn't.

On the other hand...And more interesting,....we haven't been shown that they met. But we could get a flashback sometime to some meeting that they had that would explain this. That would be interesting. And Hurley has proven that he can play stuff close to the breast on occasion.

But the "Miles Told Him" story doesn't work. A big reason is that the entire basis of the show is that no one talks to anyone. No one tells anyone anything. Over and over again we rail against the characters for not just sharing their info....but they did this time? Nope. BowlSheet

Adam and Partyman.....come on.

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But the "Miles Told Him" story doesn't work. I really don't see why it doesn't.

Miles saw Richard in 1954 (Jughead) and 1974 (La Fleur), that would be 20 years apart when he looked identical.

If you're not a fan of Miles having mentioned it to him, it could have as easily been mentioned by Sawyer or Juliet. I just prefer Miles as an option as he and Hurley seemed to have bonded somewhat during their time in the DI.

Then again, as I suggested in an earlier post, maybe nobody ever mentioned the seemingly-ageless-representative-of-the-hostiles-that-the-DI-have-a-truce-with to Hurley while he was with the DI, and he was simply resonding to something said by Jack during the part of their walking through the jungle that was not shown on screen. :/

I'm not after a No Prize, just don't get why it being viewed as a mistake. YMMV.

Hurley says to Jack, "and you trust this guy?", implying that he doesn't know him. Having some guy wearing eyeliner jump out at you in the middle of the jungle probably isn't even the strangest thing that's happened to Hurley today, so I wouldn't have expected a huge, "OMG! WHO ARE YOU?" reaction.

Good points. You're probably right on this. Hurley doesn't call him Richard but "this guy" which would indicate to me that Hurley didn't know RA...no continuity error.

On Jorge's podcast, he said this was the first time he had worked with Nestor Carbonell and thought this was probably the first time Hurley had met him. Of course, this was his first reaction to the script so it could be that subsequent episodes show Hurley had met Richard earlier in life and just hadn't remembered it. My thought on the scene was that Jack had probably remarked that Richard didn't look any different than the last time he saw him (in 1977 with the bomb).
Losties we know have met or seen Richard are Locke, James/Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Sun, Jin and Kate.
Daniel, Charlotte and Miles met him in 1977.
Juliet, of course, knew him from her time with the Others.
I think I have that right...I'm sure someone will let me know if I don't. ;)

I think the continuity people need a new bible of the show to keep track of these things. Soap operas can keep track of this stuff, why can't Lost?

My first thought was that Jacob was telling Hurley who Richard was.

It doesn't matter. It was a bit of dialog purely to give voice to an audience question about Richard (ironic, that. They give a straightforward answer, and people complain). Had Hurley's knowledge of Richard influenced anyone's actions in any way, there'd be reason to say, "Hey!" But it didn't. It's no worse than if someone had their shirt buttoned inconsistently between shots.

If the point is to scold the writers, well, I'm sure they'll see this and do a much better job with the remaining parts of the finale they have to write.

I think the continuity people need a new bible of the show to keep track of these things. Soap operas can keep track of this stuff, why can't Lost?
Good grief!! I could write reams of stuff that soaps mess up as far as continuity goes. That's definitely no example. Lost has rarely been literal or what you see on the surface is all there is so I'm thinking that this is one of those times. Like I've said, I think Jack must have made an off-camera comment about Richard looking the same and Hurley picked it up.

It doesn't matter. It was a bit of dialog purely to give voice to an audience question about Richard (ironic, that. They give a straightforward answer, and people complain). Had Hurley's knowledge of Richard influenced anyone's actions in any way, there'd be reason to say, "Hey!" But it didn't. It's no worse than if someone had their shirt buttoned inconsistently between shots.

If the point is to scold the writers, well, I'm sure they'll see this and do a much better job with the remaining parts of the finale they have to write.

Exactly.

I think it's obvious with Hugo considering his history, and his reaction to Richard. Each season Hugo becomes more and more prominent, he is the go to guy for a reason. And what was Richard doing at the temple?