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Okay, huh... what?

All throughout this episode we kept saying to each other, "Six seasons of filler. Okay, five and a half seasons of filler."

Interesting story... if it had been told at the end of season two or three.

Over. The. Top. Music.

Lot's of non-answers to things we already figured out.

Jack replacing Jacob. No great shakes there.

The sideways story is building up to ... something. We hope it's a good story.

Danielle shows up a little late in the story. Big "wow" there.

No Vincent.

More later...

There were some good lines and some good ideas and surprises in the episode. It felt like what should have been in the early part of this season though - not the final episode before the finale. In this regard, it was disappointing, as was the run up to the finale in general.

I liked Jack now being like Jacob, but let's be honest, we all knew this was coming for how long now? It will make the finale entertaining and it will be interesting to see how he uses Desmond and how the sideways universe fits in. Jack now has the job he was destined for, since he'll "fix" everything.

The writing pales compared to earlier seasons though. There's no build up of drama or emotion. People die left and right and its summarily. Almost humorous. I used to get teared up at some things, but not anymore. Scenes are not built up nicely like they used to be. It instead all now seems rushed, and makes me wonder about the first half of the season even more. They're also still using the tried and true method from earlier seasons of holding back on us, the whispering in Widmore's ear etc, not answering anything, instead spinning up even more questions. It is not working now. Its instead a source of frustration and wonder from among everyone I have gotten into this show over the years and watch and discuss it with.

Some of the "little" things of many:

Why is it Ben can now summarily shoot Widmore, when before, when he met him in his apartment, just like Jacob and MiB (but different?) they couldnt kill each other?

As others have also said, Locke had the utmost faith. Why didnt Jacob come to him then?

As I and others said last week, the Ajira plane cant fly anyway. It ran off a runway into sand and broke its windshield, as well as probably other things we cant even see. Why do they keep focusing on it?

Why DID they die? I am not sure we even got that answer, actually.

Looking forward to the finale still, but I am more expecting "enjoyable" now than some sort of transcendent event. Probably this is a good thing.

Every conversation in this episode was, like, shorter than the ones our heroes had when they were trying to figure out what to do about Shannon's missing asthma medicine.

So, Jacob finally tells the remaining candidates why he chose them, and it was because... they were alone.

He picked them because they were losers.

All this time, we had been lead to believe that there was something special about the people aboard the plane. What a disappointment.

If you start watching this as a comedy, which I did for the first time tonight, the show is actually really good.

For instance, when Smokey asks Widmore to tell him what is up and he "whispers" it and is promptly killed by Ben..... hysterics.

And the best part about tonight's episode: They actually negated the "answer" they gave about the numbers a few episodes ago by making Kate a candidate. LOLOLOLOL Not that the meaning of the numbers made sense in the first place. But this took the cake. They can't even keep this season straight, let alone the whole series.

Oh and I really want to ask Darlton this question: Did you see the episode where the Airja flight crashed on the island and the whole front windshield got bashed in by a tree? Do you know that plane actually can't fly? Why have you dedicated a large part of this inane story in the last season to blowing up a plane that can't fly anyways?

Oh yea and ummmm Smokey can morph into dead people, read minds, and MacGuyver a bomb in 3.2 seconds, but can't find people hiding in a closet? LMAO

I didn't hate this episode, and seeing Jackob was kind of cool... but it felt very... lacking somehow.

I am still pissed that the one person who could have scientifically explained the light had her throat slit. This show is pure fantasy now. It's "science or faith" theme is no longer hidden in the cat box.

<sigh> Back again. I really had hope at the beginning of the show (actually missed the first 10 minutes due to a business dinner) when Richard, Miles and Ben went back to the barracks because it seemed to remind me of the earlier seasons. However, shortly after it fell apart.

Ben acknowledges that he summoned Smokey through that door, yet we get no explanation of how he did that and why exactly Smokey can be summoned. Then we see Ben shoot and kill Widmore, just proving that the rules don't mean anything. The only reason Ben couldn't kill Widmore when he was in Widmore's room in London is because the writers didn't want Widmore dead at that point because he had a role to play in the rest of the series.

So how is it that Jacob can now be seen by everyone? Did I miss that explanation? Am I to assume burning his ashes in the fire caused him to have a corporeal body one last time? Scientific explanation anyone, or would that be magic? Just like the 'magical' incantation that Jacob used to "change" Jack, yet we didn't have any wine left, so water works just as well.

Why exactly did young ghost Jacob need to 'steal' the ashes away from Hurley? Couldn't Jacob have just appeared to Hurley and asked for the ashes so he could burn them in the fire which would allow the other Losties to see him? Oh wait maybe not since obviously young ghost Jacob is different since Sawyer and Desmond can see him too so he must be able to touch a solid object whereas adult ghost Jacob can't grab the bag. Yep makes complete sense.

And finally, my biggest beef. So all it takes to get Jacob's replacement is for Jacob tp finally talk to the remaining Losties about the situation, and just ask one of them to 'volunteer'. If this is the case, couldn't Jacob have done this many times before, to other candidates he'd brought to the Island that had faith in him? Quite possibly Locke who had the utmost amount of faith in the Island? Big disappointment. This story could essentially have been wrapped up in S1.

Somehow I liked this even less than last week. At least last week, in their own insane way, they attempted (and utterly failed) to provide some reasons for everything.

Unceremonious killings of Richard, and more upsetting, Widmore -- the man who knows everything. About that bit. Hey Widmore, whisper your important plan in my ear so the audience can't hear you! Yeah, that didn't seem like BS at all. Ben then decides to kill him randomly. Wait, I thought that was against the "rules?" Why didn't you just kill him when you snuck in to his house before? Why didn't MIB just kill Richard when Richard refused to join him before?

How about the explanation we got on Ben's Smokey chamber. "I was led to believe I could summon the Monster." Yeah, we figured that Ben. WHO were you led to believe this by exactly? It clearly wasn't Richard or Jacob, since neither of them know crap, and are both enemies with the Monster. It's ok though, because Ben makes the prolific statement: I didn't summon the Monster -- the Monster summoned ME!
DUN DUN DUN
wait... what? That doesn't even make sense in a metaphorical sense.

What else?
Some stupid nonsensical crap in the FS. Hey, it's that guy who ran down a teacher in this same parking lot last week (who somehow is managing to skirt the police, despite driving around the same car and wearing the same clothes). Let's believe him when he beats the crap out of me that he wasn't trying to hurt Locke. Let's not call the police because he said he was trying to help Locke "let go." Yeah that's perfectly reasonable. About as reasonable as Hurley helping a random weirdo break three convicts out of a jail transport.

There isn't even consistency within the same episode anymore. Jack says Sayid told him to go find Desmond in a well. Apparently Sayid also helped Desmond escape said well, thereby leaving Jack up a tree with trying to find Desmond.

Then Jacob steals his own ashes in order to temporarily revive himself so he can hand-pick his replacement. This seems like cheating to me. Then he burns the ashes. The ashes that were the remnant of a fire. Yeah... That's like trying to get rid of water by adding water to it.

Desmond is Widmore's failsafe. This would imply that Widmore had another plan. You know, a plan whereby if it failed, then he would use the failsafe. Because that's what a failsafe is. Okay, so the normal plan was Jacob's: to have the Candidates protect the Island. Then why the hell wasn't Widmore helping the Candidates? In fact he was almost actively endangering them, you know, with C4 wired to their escape plane, and firing mortars in their general direction (one of which almost blew Jack -- THE CANDIDATE -- to smithereens).

Oh, and to top it all off, we still don't know "what they died for." Jacob's nice little fireside chat didn't explain a darn thing. If all he had to do was talk to a person of faith, someone who believed they were on the Island for a greater purpose, tell them his plan, and then they would take the job, why then didn't he just tell Locke this in Season 1? Locke would of gladly taken the job of Island protector. It would of saved a whole lot of pain and suffering for everyone, and would of even prevented the MIB from gaining power.

oh, and Kate was still a Candidate, you know, if she wants. Cause it's all casual like that.

Cliffhanger: MIB wants to destroy the Island!

wait... I thought he wanted to escape the Island. Wouldn't destroying the Island be Jacob's failsafe?

I can't believe they let the second to last episode ever be written by Kistis & Horowitz. Those guys always fail.

Like I said todd, Lost is just a pure fantasy now.

Ugh, why couldn't they have just set it up this way from the beginning?

And no mention of the others who died before this season. Like Charlie, specifically. Jacob saying people make their own choices and that's what this is about. You have to make a choice, I'm not trying to rob you of that, like I was robbed could have fit into his conversation to the Losties.

Todd you brought up a lot of the shortcomings I had. I was hoping for a strong follow up to last week's Across the Sea, which I liked. This episode I suppose was to set up lead ins for the finale, but it left me wanting. Miles and Richard were gone so quick it was hard to remember they were even there.

While I like Lost, and am looking forward to the resolutions to these characters story, the execution down the stretch hasn't been what it could have. I don't know if season four, the first after they negotiated an end date, ultimately had an effect on five and six because it was mangled by the strike, but it seems like in having the end date, that they've lost sight at times with some of their in-show guidelines. As if knowing the end was coming, they've almost panicked in trying to get to the end they've had in mind for so long.

I'm still looking forward to the finale, and think it can go off well, but this season hasn't been executed, imo, as well as it could have been.

Killing a bunch of main characters off in the final few episodes of a series without a clear point to any of them is fantastic writing. Bravo Darlton.

Killing off Widmore? Really? Why make him so mysterious all this time if he played such an ancillary role?

MiB: Ben, help me and you get the island when all is said and done.

30 minutes later...

MiB (talking to Ben): My endplan is to destroy the island!!!

Oh, okay.

And no mention of the others who died before this season. Like Charlie, specifically. Jacob saying people make their own choices and that's what this is about. You have to make a choice, I'm not trying to rob you of that, like I was robbed could have fit into his conversation to the Losties.

Todd you brought up a lot of the shortcomings I had. I was hoping for a strong follow up to last week's Across the Sea, which I liked. This episode I suppose was to set up lead ins for the finale, but it left me wanting. Miles and Richard were gone so quick it was hard to remember they were even there.

While I like Lost, and am looking forward to the resolutions to these characters story, the execution down the stretch hasn't been what it could have. I don't know if season four, the first after they negotiated an end date, ultimately had an effect on five and six because it was mangled by the strike, but it seems like in having the end date, that they've lost sight at times with some of their in-show guidelines. As if knowing the end was coming, they've almost panicked in trying to get to the end they've had in mind for so long.

I'm still looking forward to the finale, and think it can go off well, but this season hasn't been executed, imo, as well as it could have been.

Sorry to see you in here Merch as I know you've been keeping the faith, as I once was until about halfway through this Season. I've been hoping the episodes get better after each one I don't like, and as I said I even had a glimmer of hope at the beginning of this episode. I do hope they can wrap it up well in the finale, but I unfortunately just don't have faith anymore. I'm hoping I'm wrong just for the fact of all the time I've invested in Lost, because if it ends as badly as what I've seen so far this season, it seems like such a waste.

I'm already thinking I still won't know what's going on after it;s over. They have too much to do yet to be going into the last show. They had years to set this up and all we've gottten out of this season is a handfull of answers that didn't track with the original mystery, more questions, new characters and a sense that I was on a runaway horse that wouldn't stop.
Honestly, I have never felt so frantic a pace as they have gone about the actual action vs. the time spent on filler.
It's become something totally different than the Lost I started watching.

Once again, an episode that wouldn't have been terrible at the start of the season but sucked majorly one episode before the finale. The entire thing felt like random crap while waiting for the end.

Jacob: "I brought you all here because you were broken and miserable losers (not you, Hurley, you were getting your life back on track with therapy until my numbers really screwed you up)"
Everyone else: "Sounds reasonable. We don't need to bother you with basic questions."

Desmond: "I bribed this police driver to let us go...I'm sure she'll come up with a good reason for losing three inmates and buying a new house with cash. Now let's head to a concert."
Everyone else: "Okey doke. We won't bother you with basic questions."

Ben: "Blam blam blam blam! Gotcha!"
Widmore: "I would tell you you forgot about the rules that said we couldn't kill each other if you hadn't just shot me dead!"

It's not a good reflection on the show that we were interrupted a couple of times with EAS tornado warnings and I didn't care what I was missing.

-steve

My biggest problem with this episode was the timing of everything that was revealed.

Jacob gathered them all and told them that he had brought all the candidates there in order to find a successor to him. Of course there was nothing holding him back from doing this much earlier, like when everyone was still alive.

As someone pointed out earlier, they weren't chosen for any other reason aside from them being losers. At this point 'Losers' would be a good alternate title for the show. With all the people in the world down on their luck, why this crowd?

This episode proved once again that this entire season, and the entire season to a greater extent were all filler. Let's see early on we had the temple storyline, but in typical Lost fashion those characters were all killed off before anyone could explain anything in significance. Now we see that Widmore is killed off before he can do anything of any value, or before he can explain what he had been up to this whole time. It's become so frustrating to see all these characters who are made to look like they are central to the story just get killed off like a bunch of red shirts.

Ben all of a sudden turns back into crazy-Ben and shoots up Widmore, Zoe gets sliced up in quite graphic fashion and we're supposed to believe that Richard is dead now, even though he can't die. Darlton are doing too much just for shock value.

I won't even get into the side story this week because it was just a waste of time, and the police there must be an awfully lazy bunch if they can't seem to find Desmond.

So much carnage when all Jacob apparently had to do was ask someone if they would take the job? And now Jacob's gone (presumably) so any further explanation on the process for chosing the Island's protector is LOST. But anyone could have ponied up for it, I guess. The only qualification is being a loser.

And now that Jacob is out of the picture, will we ever know exactly what the problem is with Smokey leaving the island and how this would somehow threaten all of humanity? After last week, I did not see evil. I saw a poor kid screwed up by his fake murdering mom and just wanting to get the heck out of there. How exactly does that equate to the end of the world? Will we find out in the finale? Doubtful. There's no one left to explain it.

I'm gonna go have some pizza now..... What a mess....

Um Jacob, what did they die for again? It's the title of the episode and they still couldn't answer the question!

TOQ was all kinds of awesome as usual. I know that is more of a "Love It" thing, but he's been the best thing about this season. I feel really bad for him having to act the lines he is written.

I'll be so glad when this is all finally over on Sunday and this show is revealed as the grand hoax it is. Loyal viewers, the long con is on you.

I will laugh so hard if we never see Richard again! LOL hilarious

What a spectacular crash and burn. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before.

Six seasons of grueling carnage, a triple-digit body count, and the ghost of mass-murderer Jacob finally just walks up to Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer in the jungle and says, "I crashed two planes to get you here, killing most on board, because I need a loser to take my place and guard the glowing Plot Hole. Any one of you will do. Kthxbai!"

Hahahah.

Seriously, pretty much nothing in this episode made any sense. What was the purpose of Jacob witholding information about the true reason why everyone was brought to the island for so long? And why the hell does Jacob keep bringing people when he knows that by bringing them he's opening the possibility of MIB using them as a loophole? I thought the final answer to what the whole purpose was and why Jacob chose them in particular would be much more complicated to account to the many discrepancies we've seen, but I guess we should forget about everything that doesn't fit and just go with it.

And once again, this was another "set-up" episode (how many of those have we had this season alone?), and if the previous ones were any indication, the finale will end up being a huge disappointment. Another thing this episode proved is the pointless filler we've been exposed to throughout the entire series. Richard? Pointless. Widmore? Pointless. Previously there wes another set-up episode where are a large portion of the losties were going to meet in the hospital in the flash-sideways. Pointless plot as well.

If this had been part 2 of LA X, I probably would have been a lot more forgiving about the many ludicrous things that we saw, but there's really no excuse at this point.

I will laugh so hard if we never see Richard again! LOL hilarious

There were lots of gut-busters in this ep, but Richard's death had to be the most hilarious. The immortal man -- kathunk! And when Locke sauntered around the corner of the building right after, looking all smug, I LOL'd so hard.

The biggest joke indeed was "What They Died For". Jacob didn't bother to respond to that one, so I guess the answer was NOTHING.

I was excited at the scene where Jacob sat them down, but it was basically for a recap of last week, which was already lacking in answers, as is. Yes, we remember there was a fake looking cave with light.

And so the Black Smoke came out of the Light Cave (why exactly?) and now wants to go back into the Light Cave, and that's a bad thing? The whole thing makes no sense.

I want to see Desmond's goal accomplished, but it was very hard to buy that he could get them all freed through a bribe... very clunky execution.

There were lots of gut-busters in this ep, but Richard's death had to be the most hilarious. The immortal man -- kathunk! And when Locke sauntered around the corner of the building right after, looking all smug, I LOL'd so hard.

It felt so Monty Python!

I want to see Desmond's goal accomplished, but it was very hard to buy that he could get them all freed through a bribe... very clunky execution.Yeah, I was expecting a 24-style takedown of the prisoner transport vehicle, but the opportunity of having yet another lame cameo appearance was just too tempting to pass.

I'll be so glad when this is all finally over on Sunday and this show is revealed as the grand hoax it is. Loyal viewers, the long con is on you.

I was always mad they gave Colonel Tigh that lame flesh colored eyepatch instead of a badass black one. In spite of that, BSG still didn't suck as much as Lost.

Anyone else recall Jacob saying that Jack can't be told what he has to do, that he has to figure it out for himself? Woops!

Back again, don't really know what to say, it's just... I dunno, I am glad it's nearly over. I don't feel like we got anywhere, they may as well have not had this episode and just have some of this stuff happen next episode, only would have taken about 2 minutes to cover the important stuff. I don't believe there was a need for the death scenes at all. No need for Zoe to have been written into the show, hah. Or Miles. This was total nonsense

Since all of the original questions have been rendered irrelevant only one remains:

Is the weekly comedy we are now watching intentional or not?

I think it would be all too easy to dismiss it as unintentional - after all, the writers have told us time
and again that they know what they're doing. And to be honest, they have given us clues very early
on, and knowing what we know now really makes the early seasons fall into place: consider how
hilariously pointless almost any character actions throughout the series have been in light of what
we've learned!

And what better way to illustrate this - and with perfect comedic timing - than to let
the Joke Monster take out the immortal Richard with a good old hockey-style body check, squashing
him against the plexiglass somewhere off-camera. I'm eagerly waiting for the HD-screencaps to see
if the move was legal or not! (Although the location of Jokey's hips and shoulders may be up for
debate, and hey - maybe the Rules are not the standard ones.) I would love to see Jokey
called out on a technicality in the finale by Paolo, resurrected in a referee uniform.

Seriously, can't wait to see what's on store for us on Sunday. Enjoying a trainwreck may be wrong,
but I can't turn away from the carnage.

I didnt love this episode. The game should have been raised being the second to last episode. Sure there were good moments like Locke agreeing to be healed, but there was not enough good moments to 'love' this episode.

Ill reserve ultimate judgement until the finale, like many others.

A lot of great points. I don't have much to add.

So Richard (RIP, you haven't been pointless at all), Ben and Miles somehow reached Dharma village only moments before Widmore, Zoe (RIP, you haven't been pointless at all either) and Locke, really? That really wasn't such a great shortcut.

Then again, as Widmore quips, he's always three steps ahead of Ben. Which is why he rigged the plane with explosives, and... didn't blow it up? Oh, I get it: enter the plane, hide the bomb (because it's cooler than just letting it in plain sight), exit the plane. That's three steps, indeed.

'Gotta love the plot contrivances to get those characters killed. Of course they all go to Dharma village. Why? Er... Of course Ben wants the island for himself. Why? Er...

'Turns out the "heart of the island" was actually pretty close to the beach... but in some kind of strange dimension you can't enter until the plot says you can. Like the lighthouse.

As for the flash-sideways... Desmond sure is full of resources. He somehow knows about Jack's father, manages to end up in the same cell as Kate and Sayid (and just them, too!)...
And of course he was trying to help Locke. Hit and run is an art.
Gratuitous cameo of the week: Ana-Lucia (she's not ready yet!).


So, Jacob finally tells the remaining candidates why he chose them, and it was because... they were alone.
He picked them because they were losers.
I'm amazed he didn't say he picked them because they were (dramatic pause) LOST.


Why exactly did young ghost Jacob need to 'steal' the ashes away from Hurley? Couldn't Jacob have just appeared to Hurley and asked for the ashes so he could burn them in the fire which would allow the other Losties to see him? Oh wait maybe not since obviously young ghost Jacob is different since Sawyer and Desmond can see him too so he must be able to touch a solid object whereas adult ghost Jacob can't grab the bag. Yep makes complete sense.
And Richard couldn't see the young Jacob (who had bloodied arms because...?).
I'm sure it all makes sense.


oh, and Kate was still a Candidate, you know, if she wants. Cause it's all casual like that.
"I crossed your name out because you were a mother. "Kwon" and "Ford"? ... Yeah, I forgot about those. I guess that means you were targeted by the smoke monster. My bad. But, you know, I did send Ilana to protect you. Well, I mean, the candidates. Not you, Kate. You were on your own. Sorry. Also, I'm responsible for the whole thing, as I turned my own brother into the evil smoke monster, kept bringing people on the island for over a century after he figured out he could use them to get to me, and finally let him kill me (I could have kicked Ben's ***, like everyone else, and like I did Richard's back then, but I didn't feel like it). So... Yeah. There you go. That's why Jin and Sun died."
How to make a great first impression.

Well this is a first for me, posting in both the Loved it and Didn't Love it threads for the same episode.

On the whole I enjoyed the episode, which is why I posted in the Loved it thread first. But to be honest part of the reason I liked it was because my expectations for this show have gotten so low. At this point I was just happy blue aliens didn't suddenly jump out of the bushes to kill off a few more characters.

Overall the episode was not bad, it maintained my interest (unlike every other episode this season) and the Sideways actually seemed to be moving somewhere interesting.

What sucks is that it's taken until the penultimate episode for them to produce an episode where the Losties didn't act like total tools.

The reason I'm also posting in the Didn't Love it thread is because:

1. This episode pretty much confirmed that previous seasons were a waste of time and filled with contrivances and ridiculous rules.

Look at Ben killing Widmore. I even wrote a jokingly that if the writers wanted to insult us they should just have Ben kill Widmore...and gee, guess what happened this episode!

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2348233&postcount=337
Considering how Season 6 has gone so far I wouldn't be surprised if we now have Ben killing Widmore, just to rub our faces in the "rules never really mattered" snub.

2. Apparently it's ok to mass murder people and crash commercial aircraft as long as you need someone to look after your Plot Hole.

3. When Jacob said he'd tell them "What they died for" I thought he was going to reveal something we didn't know. Instead, we just get confirmation that there was no reason for anyone to die. Jacob should have been able to find a replacement without any of this rubbish. Worst job application process ever!

4. The writers STILL haven't gotten their stories straight when it comes to what Jacob and MIB want...

First Jacob is supposedly trying to show MIB that people have good in them.
Then we're told he's there to protect the light from going out.
Next we get told he's there to stop smokie from leaving the island.
Now we're being told he's there to stop smokie from finding the magic cave.

So WTF is it? We're now onto the final episode and they haven't give one straight answer to that simple question. Considering it's supposed to be the entire reason Jacob and the candidates are so important you'd think they could at least give a consistent reason behind it all!

5. Richard. I'm not sure if that was supposed to be shocking or sad or funny. I went with funny.

6. This show has run six Seasons. The filler flashbacks, flashfowards and flashsideways have taken up about half that time. So in reality we've really only had three seasons of actual story. Seasons 5 and 6 have also been a waste of space, which means this story could really have been told in two seasons.

People certainly aren't going to look back at Lost and say "Damn that was a tightly woven story".
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CrazyLatin007 wrote:
this story was a short one to begin with and that the rest of it was always smoke and mirrors.
I'm not sure how many other people have mentioned this; I put it at the end of a really long post a week or so ago, but --

Season Six imagery, front and center, is "Smoke" (the monster) and "mirrors." Lots of looking in mirrors. They names episodes things like "Deus ex Machina" and "The Man Behind the Curtain" and they end the magic show with smoke, mirrors, and magic.

I actually enjoyed watching this episode even though I'm a card-carrying Didn't Love It. I was able to do so because the last two episodes -- everything since Ab Aeterno really -- have made it clear to me that the story is going to be simple. It's not going to have realistic motivations. It's not going to fit with things we saw in prior seasons. It's not going to explain what happened in prior seasons.

The great Jacob and MIB conflict that I expected to be heavy mythology got dumbed down to a magic light. The Rules will never be clear. We won't understand how young Jacob came alive and why Jacob didn't just die. We don't know what the ash was that kept away the smoke monster, but we now know why Ilana saved Jacob's ashes -- well, we don't, but they got used in the plot.

We don't know why Richard is suddenly unnecessary. Did notice he walked out in the yard without his C-4 backpack, so apparently something else will blow up thanks to the C-4.

I enjoyed it as a comedy with everything that is happening now almost stand alone.

Hurley recognizes Ana-Lucia and doesn't do a double-take. The whole Desmond jail Sawyer transfer thing was like a dream. You don't ask why, you just watch it and see where it will go next. That's the point I'm at. I already mourned; I'm over it.

Even so, with my only expectation being that the episode might be coherent just within its own framework, a few things struck me.

1) Jacob's explanation that his candidates were alone didn't explain Sun and Jin, who were together, and who were headed off for a new life together when 815 crashed.

Miles scampering off was funny. Not even a purpose this time, just gone.

Ben morphed back into bad Ben and I really don't know why other than he hates Widmore really bad so he needed to be the opposite. Oh, I know, it was Alex's grave that set him off.

The smoke monster head-butted Richard and threw him into the air and we never saw Richard land. I did frame by frame and it didn't absorb Richard. It didn't thrash him around. He didn't hit the tree. He just flew, and the smoke let go of him. Locke has been through more trauma (the real Locke). That was just goofy and remember when we thought Eko's death was incredibly lame? This is a may or may not be death and I'm not at all sure we'll hear any more about Richard.

Will we hear more about the equipment Zoe was to get out of the outrigger? Probably, that and the C-4. I hated the throat-slashing, over the top. We get it, dude is bad.

Then the empty well was just a WTF moment. Sayid said he left Desmond in the well, as has been noted, so who helped him out? Let's see, no one knew where he was. That leaves Jacob -- that was probably the scene where Jacob explains everything to Desmond, and they didn't think they needed to show it.

Which leads me to -- Widmore is saying "I brought Desmond Hume" and he's sort of forgetting that he lost Desmond Hume to Smocke and doesn't even know his fate. Desmond could be dead for all he knows.

The empty well was a good image for LOST. You go to the well expecting to find something precious that's been waiting down there for someone to pull it out like a rabbit out of a hat and it's empty, with just a rope ... like while we were off doing other stuff, the answers to everything pulled themselves up and walked away as part of some key scene that was never filmed, or was edited out.

So I guess we're going to a concert. Wonder if David will play like Ray Manzarek.

ETA, oh, several good posts while I was writing that. What wombat said about how it was possible to enjoy watching it due to no expectations, I hadn't seen that post. Same wavelength. It's almost on the level of a Wily Coyote cartoon.

I was always mad they gave Colonel Tigh that lame flesh colored eyepatch instead of a badass black one. In spite of that, BSG still didn't suck as much as Lost.


I thought BSG was consistent for the most part, except for Starbuck's I'm an angel thing. I would have said last season Lost has been the best TV ever, but after the train wreck that is this final season, I am pissed I gave so many hours away to it. It truly sucks. If it would have been a one season thing it would have worked, and well.

Sigh.

Yeah, It's becoming clear that the show will end with many questions unanswered. whole pregnancy and mothers deaths won't be explained IMO. As well as the sickness. I guess what happened with Claire and Sayid is supposed to be that answer, but without a clear mythology on MIB and Jacob it all seems stupid. And that;s probably the biggest crime. The backstory of these two. We probably won;t know how are why the rules of the game were put into place. The origin story of their fake mom and the island. All those questions we thought Jacobs story would answer for us. And now we are left with a very vague story of evil vs good, when we really have no clue what anyone is really fighting for. I'm even beginning to realize that we have probably gotten all the answers we are gonna get about the very nature of the island itself. Other than the light. And I have a bad suspicion the nature of the smoke monster form won't be explained either. Other than it being a manifestation of evil. Things are not looking good for this show.

Looking forward to the finale still, but I am more expecting "enjoyable" now than some sort of transcendent event. Probably this is a good thing.

I'm the same way. It is a good thing. I certainly don't want any more LOST after that, if more means more questions without answers.

First time poster [here] but was a long time fan of Lost. Now it's gotten to the point where I can't even watch the first three seasons I liked, these episodes have permanently ruined them. They had ample time to wrap this show after announcing when it would end but its been blatantly obvious that they continue to make it up as they go along. They have no excuse for how poor in quality it is now and I can't wait for it to be over.

There were so many inconsistencies just within this episode that don't make any sense.

-In the last episode Jacob's fake mother tells him that he can never leave the island as he needs to protect it. I distinctly remember him off island rounding them all up.

-The MIB tells Ben that if he helps him leave, he can have the island to himself. Then at the very end for the surprise "twist" he tells Ben he needs to destroy the island. Wait....what?

-This whole season MIB keeps saying he wants to leave the island then he does a 180 and says his purpose is now to destroy it. Okay then.

-Sayid let Jack on a wild goose chase by telling him to go find Desmond in the well. "Hey Jack, I forgot to mention i actually rescued him."

-Widmore says that Desmond is a failsafe and goes on about protecting him etc. Did the writers forget about season 4 and the freighter when they had him in captivity? Did they also forget that the Ajira plane can't even fly because it hit a tree and had a cracked windshield?

-Just to be picky, a cop took $125K to let three convicts loose and that's that? Just so they could get a cool cameo of a character they killed off. Nothing suspicious there, or how they left a murder who should be under Federal custody in a holding cell for a week (sayid).

-It's stressed many times that Jacob can't kill his brother yet he smashed his head off a rock and then pushed him into the magical fairy fountain. Sure looked like death to me.

-Ben says, "This is where I came to summon the smoke monster. Only it turns out it was summoning me." Huh? Is this Soviet Russia? It's also funny how Alex's mom has no problem with a teacher taking such interest in her daughter and how he has a splint after getting punched in the face.

-Jacob magically comes back from the dead to tell the survivors they can be a candidate. Wow, they could've done that in 20 episodes and capped the series! Then we're supposed to accept that he made Jack live forever by blessing pond water. I also like how Jacob said he didn't have a choice, as if his brother didn't offer him to come along and he couldn't have told his fake mother "No."

-Widmore said it was against the rules for Ben to kill him (so the writers could keep him in the show) earlier, but apparently he wasn't necessary anymore. They also either cut to commercial, whispered in someone's ear or interrupted everytime a character was going to say something important.

-In this episode Jacob reveals that he basically killed a plane full of people and picked people with crappy lives to guard a light in the center of the island. A light, I may add, that in over six seasons no one saw shining at night time while traversing. If it wasn't obvious it was made up, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on television.

I've just had it, I don't know how this show can be defended anymore and I could care less about the characters. Even the beautiful sweeping shots of the island from season one are gone and replaced with dirty looking quick cuts. To be honest, this show jumped the shark for me once they all got off the island and wanted to go back. It's just so frustrating and disappointing because of all the time I and many others have invested in the show expecting something decent. We don't want answers for everything, mysteries can be fun. These aren't.

To summarize how ridiculous this has all turned out to be:

-A donkey wheel attached to a light source that when turned, makes an entire island disappear.
-A flying smoke monster that can go over trees but can't make it over an electrical fence.
-A magical wine that when consumed grants the person with eternal life.
-A temple that no one discovered with a fountain that brings people back to life.
-A shining Disney light fountain "that's in all of us" that is the source of all energy on the island.

It's just retarded. If i knew the show would turn out like this, I never would've wasted my time with it. I apologize, but I don't think I've ever grown to hate a show as much as Lost. Really wish I didn't buy those season sets now.

About all that I can say for this episode was that it was better than last week. And it did have some nice moments that I genuinely enjoyed, but overall...meh.

Why did we get an entire episode about Ben's redemption if he was just going to turn around and randomly become evil again? I maybe could have even tolerated the summary execution of Widmore, but then his line -- 'You said there were more people to kill?' -- REALLY? Guess the aura of redemption only lasted about 12 hours.

MiB: Ben, help me and you get the island when all is said and done.

30 minutes later...

MiB (talking to Ben): My endplan is to destroy the island!!!

Oh, okay.

LOL.

This statement pretty much says it all about Lost. I thought it would be impossible to "top" Across the Sea, but this episode was so inane it makes Expose seem like The Godfather by comparison. I really hope Darlton are embarrassed enough that they never "write" anything again.

What a spectacular crash and burn. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before.

Hahahah.

I will laugh so hard if we never see Richard again! LOL hilarious


I will cry. Even though I've lost faith in this show, if they killed Richard like that it actually may bring me to tears. That would also put this episode above Across The Sea as the WORST LOST EPISODE EVER for me. *flash of magic waterslide enters brain* OMG. OMG. They really did kill Richard with a Smokey slap didn't they?

Why Darlton? Why? Maybe this was actually just a show about Jack and that's what they meant by "conclusions of the characters". Maybe the Hurley bird will come back and scoop up Hurley mid-sentence and drop him in the ocean next week and that's the last we see of him?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Richard's death reminded me exactly of when Boba Fett died in that one movie with all those people in it.

Okay since it's almost over I guess it's time I finally posted in this thread(which BTW has been my favorite one throughout the years here) and write what I thought of this.

First- Huh? What happened to the mysterious Others storyline? What were they, just a crazy cult? After watching this episode we finally got the reason why Jacob brought the Losties to the Island. He was looking for a replacement. So umm... where do they fit in? I'm asking this because after watching last nights' show we found out they're not so important after all. What a let down. What are we to surmise about them now? How disappointing, I thought they were important and not just a bunch of crazy people.

Which leads me to my second question: So umm..what was the mysterious reason for the pregnant women dieing for again? Oh that's right, I guess it was supposed to be because of the radiation leakage from the H bomb but how come it only affected them starting after the 90's and not anyone else or before? How lame, I thought it really was going to be because of a cool reason.

After tonight I guess we're never going to find out why the DI was there either. Jacob never mentioned them during the campfire talk. Gee, you'd think he would at least say something like what's up with those Hatches? Oh and what happened to the food drops? Why did they make us think there was a mystery when they never had any intention of telling us what the heck that was about too? Guess we're going to have to forget about that because it wasn't important.

Did anyone else wonder what would have happened if more then one of the Losties volunteered for Jacobs' position of keeper of the light? Fight it out? You'd think Hurley would have because he likes to be needed and helpful or maybe Sawyer would have too. He does like to be in the position of power, you'd think he jump at the chance to boss people around plus have the access to magical powers to boot. I can't believe after all this time and after getting all those mysterious clues thrown at us that we thought were important,(silly us) they were all just meaningless? What? The whole show is going to end with Jack verses MIB. Umm okay , the hell? How simplistic can they get? Did they recently hire new writers who used to write for Saved by the Bell? If any of you had ever watched that show you'd know what I was talking about.

I got into this only after the second season (bought the DVD's for the previous seasons to catch up) because I thought it was an intelligent show for people who like to watch a real mystery with clues so we can guess what the outcome will be. Alas, after last night, it's not to be. All those clues they gave us throughout the previous seasons were apparently meaningless. Gee, and we thought the writers were clever, silly us. I don't know about you all but I do believe they think their audience are a bunch of morons. The answers they gave us were crappy so far.

Getting back to last night's show: What the heck was up with the FS? Why and how come Desmond all the sudden knows exactly what to do after his 1 minute near death experience with the montage of Penny what he has to do. Did we miss something? Why does he have to gather just those people from the plane and not the others? They weren't the only one's on that plane. Why isn't he rounding up Rose and Bernard too? Oh, that's right, like Ana Lucia, they must not be ready either. Erm..ready for what exactly? This is all starting to sound so stupid, it's not even funny anymore. I can't believe they killed Widmore like that. What was the point of his character then? Who sunk the other plane with those dead passengers and what was the point of that? The explanation last night made his character pointless. They were only brought to the Island to replace Jacob. Awesome. BTW, I don't believe Richard died.

Nice to see Ben making a comeback but too bad they didn't think about doing it sooner. Up to now this season, his character was useless. I really can't see how his turning bad again will serve much of a purpose except pleasing some fans. It's too late for that.

Alright I'll stop droning on and on, I guess I'm still in shock. Heehee, I just reread what i wrote and I must have written meaningless at least 5 times. Maybe that's a clue. Erm.. I meant to what the previous seasons were about and not what I wrote.
I'll save the rest of what I want to say for after the last episode:biggrin: .

ETA: I had to delete my last message because I noticed my paragraphs weren't showing up. My message was a huge block, yuck.
Also great first post KYjo4. I agree with all your points. Last night was a whole bunch of nonsense and silliness. The whole show i kept saying "Oh come on".

Marvel at the inconsistency! I think this was already mentioned, but they just spent a whole episode "humanizing" MiB, and one episode later, he's pure evil again. What was the point?

I'm still on his side because I don't like any of the characters any more and really think it would be best if they all died. In fact, right now, IMO the only way they can have even a slightly satisfactory ending is for Jacob/Jack to fail. Evil inherits the Earth, or the light goes out, or whatever it is that will happen.

I was shocked at Ben turning evil again.....??why??
I think I was hoping for a story in which each character was unraveling his/her karma and maybe that is happening somehow, but, for so many ....just death....but maybe they all really died in the crash and this is their karma spinning out in some kind of purgatory...harder to see it now, but maybe they'll pull that together...?

So, Widmore hid in a closet. That's it. That was it? That was what they had planned for him all along?

He came all that way, did all of those things to protect the island and change his ways, and when it came down to it he did the dumbest thing any character has ever done on this show and just stood in a dark closet to hide until Ben shoots him.

I waited through all that cryptic nonsense between Ben and Widmore, and "the rules" about their daughters, waited through Ben having every chance to kill Penny and choosing not to, and now he just shoots Widmore in a closet so he doesn't get to protect his daughter.

Seriously.

*mod edit*

You know when I came up with my SN I only picked it because I couldn't decide on a cool name so I just said "Oh phooey" . Who knew it was going turn out to be my reaction to what the real reason as to why they were chosen and what the real mystery of the what the Island is also. Guess I must be psychic:eek2:

ETA: Sorry I'm in the process of getting ready for work but I keep thinking of other things to say.

Okay now, what was the reason again for why only Jack, Kate,Hurley and Sayid had to blast back to the seventies and not the others(Frank,Sun and Ben) again? . Guess we're all going be SOL on that one too.

This episode was a complete contradiction of just about everything we thought we knew up until this point.

As has been pointed out many many times.... If the whole point of EVERYTHING is for Jacob to find a replacement, what took 6 seasons for that to finally happen?

This is just such bad writing and outlining... I mean this is Sesame Street level.

And still, nobody knows what they died for. Or did I miss something?

Someone pointed out that if you watch it as a comedy its quite entertaining. Very true.

I literally fell off of my couch when Linus was getting his head rammed into the hood of the car. LOL @ his face and the recoil action as his head bounced off of the hood...

I mean, LOST has essentially turned into Saturday Night Smackdown. I half expected the camera to pan out and to see Rowdy Roddy Piper standing there in Piper's Pit and have Macho Man show up and pull a pearl harbor job on Desmond and Piper laughs maniacally and then the three of them triple team Desmond.

See now THAT would be good writing.

What a complete train wreck. Man you just really cannot look away. It is THAT bad.

MiB: Help me out Benjamin and the island is all yours
13 minutes of show time later:
MiB: I'm going to blow up the island.

How does that get through N number of people who sign off on it and say "Yeah, that's good writing." Then when they film it how does it get through N number of people in the editing room and N number of people go "Cut, that's a wrap, great job everyone."

Where is the one sane person who stands up and says "WAIT HOLD ON!!!! This, this, this, this, and THAT don't make sense. You can't put that in there."

Oh that's right, he was fired in Season 2 when Darlton spoke with George Lucas and Lucas managed to clone Rick McCallum and send the the McCallum ( the ultimate YES MAN) off to go be Dartlon's little YES MAN.

I mean, how many of us, if offered the chance and had to swear and sign an oath of secrecy, would leap at the opportunity to be the continuity guy FOR FREE?

Yet they can't go 13 minutes of show time without a bunch of non-sensical dialogue and behavior that makes ZERO sense?

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

Once again all I can think of watching this is the infamous Arnold Predator quote: "It's all |3ull$hi7. All of it."
100%
So, Widmore hid in a closet. That's it. That was it? That was what they had planned for him all along?

He came all that way, did all of those things to protect the island and change his ways, and when it came down to it he did the dumbest thing any character has ever done on this show and just stood in a dark closet to hide until Ben shoots him.

I waited through all that cryptic nonsense between Ben and Widmore, and "the rules" about their daughters, waited through Ben having every chance to kill Penny and choosing not to, and now he just shoots Widmore in a closet so he doesn't get to protect his daughter.

Seriously.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

If you watch it from the perspective of a satirical comedy it's actually very funny. LOL @ Widmore's face when the light switch when on. He looked like a teenager who had just got caught doing what all 15 year olds do when they are alone in their room..... LOL @ Widmore in the closet.

I waited 6 years for THAT??? HA HA HAAAAAAAAA

This is just such bad writing and outlining... I mean this is Sesame Street level.


I'm forced to disagree. Sesame Street has internal consistency and strong continuity.

(Lost, not so much.)

-steve

I don't think I've hit F5 so much waiting to see Colin72 as the last poster for his recap.....

Still thinking about this episode, I just can't get past the fact that none of this entire series would have been necessary if Jacob had just created an army of immortal guardians and went about his business. Why risk so much for such inane and ultimately selfish reasons when you have Godlike powers?

Short of Superman and Green Lantern, the gift of immortality should protect you from anyone, no?

I don't think I've hit F5 so much waiting to see Colin72 as the last poster for his recap.....

Still thinking about this episode, I just can't get past the fact that none of this entire series would have been necessary if Jacob had just created an army of immortal guardians and went about his business. Why risk so much for such inane and ultimately selfish reasons when you have Godlike powers?

Short of Superman and Green Lantern, the gift of immortality should protect you from anyone, no?


Totally agree on Colin, I am expecting something totally epic from him at this point.

I can't believe the stupor our losties are in.

Kate: hey jerk, why did you cross my name off the list, what you don't like hot brunettes with commitment issues?
Jacob: Uh errrrrr sorry, it is just chalk on a cave wall, you can still do it if you want.
Kate: Uh ok thanks. No further questions:

Jacob: I am going to tell you why you are here, why they died, and everything you need to know about how to protect this Island:
Lost Fans: Yes, finally some clear cut answers, yes this is their chance at some level of redemption.
Jacob: Uh you are here to protect this light thingy, and well one of you needs to choose to do it, because I won't choose for you.
Jack: WTH, I'll do it, because you know that is why I am here.
Jacob: Cool, here drink this, now you know everything that I know because you are like me.
Hugo: Dude,

No other answers or explanations, losties are all cool with this, because well Sawyer knows that the Doc is out of the way and hugo is hoping he gets off because Mr. Clucks does not have any plans of franchising on our island soon.

The lean in and whisper the answer to me statement from Flocke to Widmore was just classic, another example of well lets not let the fans know anything, they are stupid anyway and they do not deserve answers.

Come on Collin, where are you!

So the first 6 years were completely meaningless. Every mystery utter non-sense. 99% of the characters pointless. Hours of back story on these pointless characters a complete waste of time.

Should of been a 2 hour movie and been done with it.

Although to be fair this was one of the more entertaining episodes all year. I couldn't stop laughing at it.

*mod edit* My heart sank as soon as we flashed sideways. I'd somehow tricked myself into forgetting about that whole debacle, it was a real case of "NOT AGAIN!" The idiocy of the FS itself doesn't require elucidation, it goes without saying at this point.

Once more, I felt for the actors. Even Holloway, a stalwart so far. You could see his heart just wasn't in this one. Carbonell likewise.

On one hand, compared to last week, this show was good. I thought last week was so horrid that I was cringing 2 minutes into it. I think you are onto something aurora, this week seeing the Losties back, no matter how inane they are behaving, ridiculous the plot was, or how pathetic the dialogue seems to grow, I can see some appreciating this week more after last week's mess.

However, in a lot of senses, this episode was even worse because the nonsense we were told last week is now being applied to the Losties and it makes less sense and points out more inconsistencies than I even thought were imaginable last week.

But I can see how after last week, people may have been excited to see the Losties back and re-gained faith in the show.

I can't wait for colin's recap either. I hope he's not reading and feeling the pressure ;)

What was it Jack had to figure out on his own that he couldn't be told?
According to Jacob it was completely arbitrary who took over his job anyway, so why did Jack have to figure out anything?
The reason Jack didn't know what to anyway was because the other 5 seasons were filled with mysteries and shadowevents that nobody had any idea the meaning of.

What's the meaning of "candidates" anyway? Jacob didn't even care who got the job, he wanted them to have a choice.
And how did Jacob know they would be alone all their lives? He came to several while they were just little kids. He said he didn't "pluck them out of a happy existence" but he already knew that since he had followed Jack for instance since he was 10 years old or less.

Why did he have to crash planes to bring them there? If he can travel around the world at will, why not just find someone who wants a new life, and ask if they want to go with him.
Jacob is a real asshole actually and I hate his guts.

And what was Richard's higher purpose? In the flashback Richard episode Jacob tells him he can be his "human messenger" of sorts. But Richard also had been told that everything that he did and had happened to him had happened for a reason.
So Jacob dies, and like the true asshole he is, he never talks to Richard and tells him. You know why? Because he had no friggin higher purpose. it was obviously some plot mechanism that the writers had no idea how to resolve. And that happened in THIS season.
A WHOLE episode dedicated to Richard and why he wanted to commit suicide.

And then they just kill of Richard in one of the most hilariously random killing scenes I've ever seen.
Jacob went and made everyone think they were special, but they weren't. He picked people simply because they were having a hard time in life.

In fact, we have no friggin idea why anything is happening.
1. We have no idea what or who Jacob, smokey and his mother really are.
2. We have no idea what the light is, and why it's important. Nor do we know why people want it, and how it is "inside everyone."
3. They of course refuse to explain anything in a rational fashion. For instance what is the smoke monster, how does the time travel work, why are the numbers plastered on meaningless objects, what are the numbers in general and a bunch of other stuff I forgot.

I bet if someone took the time to watch every season after another, and write down important events and things that were said, there would be so many inconsistencies, random things not explained, pointless characters and pointless events..

It's really quite spectacular how one can crash and burn this severly.

Want a detailed look at “What They Died For” that praises Lost and completely ignores all of the faults and obvious BS? Read Doc Jenson’s shill column at Entertainment Weekly.


Let’s recap!


Jack is in the Flash Sideways (FSW) with that big headed kid of his. Jack’s neck is still bleeding. I’m no doctor but a cut that you don’t know how you got , won’t heal, and has been bleeding for days should probably be looked it by a doctor.

Jack sews up Kate’s shoulder. Kate reminds us that Jin and Sun left behind a young daughter. If only one of them would have been able to live to care for her.

Desmond throws Ben on the hood of his car. Ben asks Desmond who he is. Desmond says, “You want to know who I am?” and promptly begins punching Ben in the face which of course gives Ben flashbacks that help him remember who Desmond is. All of the school kids that just got off the bus ignore this. No one notices. No one yells for help. No one takes pictures or video with their cell phones and posts it on Youtube.

Ben, Richard, and Miles are still bumbling through the jungle to get C4 to blow up the plane that doesn’t need blowing up because it has a big hole in the windshield. If this little plot line that has partially driven season six bugs you, please ignore it like past ridiculously contrived plot lines that drove entire seasons. This is the kind of thing you have to do to love Lost.

Alex is buried in the middle of Dharma village by a picket fence in an unmarked grave next to the family hamster.


Ben says he was told he could summon the Monster before he realized it was the Monster who was summoning him. Who told him about the secret place to summon the monster? Forget that. I wonder who Kate is going to end up with.

The boys decide to take all of the C4 to blow up the un-flyable plane because a bunch of C4 is needed for a future plot line.

Tina Fake is hiding in the kitchen heating up some Hot Pockets. Widmore just so happens to be there too. Don’t ask why just ignore this contrived nonsense.

Ben asks Widmore how he got back to the island. Widmore says, “Jacob invited me”. Widmore was sent an Evite? Widmore says that Jacob visited him and actually says the line, “he convinced me of the error of my ways”. Yes, Widmore has seen the error of his cold blooded evil ways. Widmore also claims Jacob told him everything he needed to know. So Widmore is actually helping Jacob? This seems important. Which means it probably isn’t. I’ve finally got you figured out Lost.

Locke is on his way to Dharma village because… well, everyone else is there and he’s jonesing for a Hot Pocket. Being a Smoke Monster, he doesn’t have to eat a Hot Pocket but he does like the feel of his mouth on hot processed cheese.

In the FSW: Desmond gets himself thrown into jail with Sayid and Kate. His incredibly intricate plan to do something somehow is working perfectly.

Little ghost Jacob appears to Hurley and asks for the Ashes that for some reason Hurley took from Ilana. Casper takes the ashes and runs. Hurley follows Casper and finds Jacob who has put the ashes into a camp fire and says when it burns out Hurley will never see him again. Don’t ask why Casper appeared to Hurley, don’t ask why Jacob is dead but still pops up to help out, and you certainly don’t want to ask how Jacob knows about this whole ash burning thing. Don’t let any of this nonsense burn your ash and ruin the show for you. Enjoy the ride.

Back at Dharma village, Widmore and Tina Fake hide in Ben’s secret closet, Miles decides he’s going to make a break for it, Ben decides to chill, and silly Richard decides to have a chat with the Smoke Monster. Big mistake Dicky. Richard takes a big smoke sucker punch to the gut and goes flying out of frame Wile E. Coyote-style. At least it wasn’t a bomb or gun.

Locke emerges and asks Ben where Widmore is. Little does he know but Widmore is hiding in a little room right behind him. In The Candidate, some fans suggested Locke had psychic powers. It helped them justify Locke’s silly bomb plot where he just so happened to know that Jack would get on the sub and our silly idiots would find the bomb in Jack’s backpack and try to disable it while the timer was counting down. Anyway, Locke’s psychic mojo isn’t working and he can’t find Widmore. Luckily Ben is not redeemed anymore and says that Widmore in the closet. Make your own joke.

In the FSW: Alex is back. How do you make a woman look like a young girl? Put her in pig-tails of course. Finally we get a Danielle cameo. Alex asks if Ben can come over for dinner. Danielle insists and says, “Even if we have to kidnap you.” Cue the rim shot.

Here comes another one of those ridiculous scenes you have to ignore if you want to think Lost is great. Locke finds Widmore and Hot Pockets. Locke asks Hot Pockets who she is. There’s a pause during which Widmore says nothing and then Hot Pockets says, “Zoe. My name is Zoe” - and her neck is promptly slashed by Locke as Widmore decides to pipe up and tell her not to speak to him… after she’s already spoken to him. To further muddy the already muddy waters, Widmore asks Locke why he did that. Locke says, “You told her not to talk to me. That made her pointless.” Hmmm, but she actually did talk to you and conveniently wasn’t told not to talk after she already had talked. If only poor Hot Pockets, who seemed to be important to Widmore, was told about all of the “don’t talk to the Smoke Monster” business on the sub ride to the island. So, what is all this don’t talk to the Smoke Monster first crap? Well, I think Kate should pick Jack. Every gal wants to marry a doctor… but Sawyer sure is dreamy. What will you do Kate? What will you do?

Meanwhile, back in the closet Locke says he won’t kill Penny if Widmore tells him why he came back. Widmore says, I brought Desmond Hume back here because if his unique resistance to electromagnetism. He was a measure of last resort.” Locke asks what Widmore means by last resort. Apparently Locke saw “Happily Ever After” and heard Widmore say to Jin, "That man is the only person that I'm aware of in the world who has survived a catastrophic electromagnetic event. I need to know that he can do it again. Or we all die." Desmond sure seemed to be the key to saving the world back then. Now he’s just a last resort. I know what you’re thinking. What was the first resort? Well, Widmore says he’s not saying any more in front of Ben. Ben turns away and Locke tells Widmore to whisper to him. Continue reading when you are done laughing…. Sure, Locke could tell Ben to go outside but then the audience could hear what Widmore says. Widmore whispers to Locke for 3 seconds, yes I counted, and he is shot by Ben. Oh, you thought Ben couldn’t kill Widmore? Well, that was back when they needed Ben to not be able to kill Widmore. Rules schmules. Locke says it’s OK that Ben killed Widmore because in 3 seconds he was able to tell him what he needed to know. Awesome. Now we can move on to even more ridiculous crap.

It’s dark now back at Jacob’s camp fire and it’s time for tribal council. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer can now see Jacob somehow for some reason. I’m guessing it has something to do with that all-purpose magic ash. It can be used to fill all kinds of contrived plot lines and plot holes. Billy Mays could have made a fortune with this stuff.

Kate is angry! She wants to know why Jin, Sun, and Sayid are dead. Jacob says he’s going to tell them what they died for… and he’s going to tell them why he chose them… and he’s going to tell them everything they need to know about protecting the island. You see, when the magic fire burns out, one of them has to start protecting the island. Oh man! If you like things that suck, this is going to be right up your alley.

Jacob says he brought everyone to the island because he made a mistake. He explains that the mistake is going to cause everyone in the world to die. Too vague? Sawyer asks about the mistake.

Mr. Tiny Sad Eyes says that he made the Smoke Monster. He doesn’t mention the magic light water cave caused his brother to become the Smoke Monster. Sad Eyes says that it was only a matter of time before Smokey figured out how to kill him. What was that ingenious loophole again that took thousands of years to figure out? Get someone to stab Jacob while Jacob just stood there? Ah, but that nonsense is in the past. Forget about it and don’t be picky. Tiny Eyes goes on to explain he brought everyone to the island to replace him.

Sawyer asks why he has to be punished for Jacob’s mistake. Oh, good question Sawyer. Kate should definitely be with Sawyer. Jacob tells them none of them were having a happy life. They were all flawed and alone and looking for something they couldn’t find. Sounds like half the people I know.

Tiny says he crossed Kate’s name off the cave wall because she became a mother but the job is still hers if she wants it. You’ve got to love Tiny’s flexible hiring policy. Forget the fact that Sawyer is a father and Jin and Sun are parents. In fact, forget pretty much everything you saw in season 5, and season 3, and season 2, and season 1 and 4.

Jack asks Jacob what the job is. Jacob says the job is to make sure the light at the center of the island never goes out and they need to protect the light from the Smoke Monster. But… doesn’t the Smoke Monster want off the island? This is the first time I’m hearing about protecting the light from the Smoke Monster and Jacob is kind enough not to explain any of it. Oh, and they also have to kill the Smoke Monster… which Jacob doesn’t know if it’s possible to do or not.

Jacob is kind enough to not choose his replacement. He’s going to kind of but not really give them a choice. Much to the surprise of absolutely no one, our hero Jack accepts the job not really knowing exactly what the job is or how he’s supposed to do it. Old Jack would have thrown a tantrum, smashed some stuff and peed on Jacob’s fire. New Jack is different. Kate should definitely be with Jack.

Jacob makes Jack drink some water after saying the little magic spell that somehow he knows and hocus pocus Jack is the new Jacob.

Jacob really doesn’t say “What They Died For”. Jacob doesn’t bother to mention that Widmore has “seen the error of his ways” and is there to help. No one asks what the light is. No one brings up the fact that Locke has been saying he wants to leave the island not put out a light. No one questions who or what Jacob is. Oh well, I guess they know that a question only leads to another question.

Meanwhile in the FSW: Locke has decided he wants to have the surgery. Sawyer is transporting Kate, Desmond, and Sayid off to county jail in a van and somehow Desmond has managed to pay off the driver. Oh, and the van driver is Ana Lucia. Oh, and Hurley is the guy who paid off Ana Lucia. She accepted a whooping $125,000 to free three prisoners. Wow! She’ll be able to skip off to a third world country and live like a queen on that kind of dough.

Hurley remembers Ana Lucia. I guess he’s been making out with Libby and remembering a lot from the island. Either that or Desmond has been helping him out by punching him in the face or running over him with his car.

Those crazy geniuses Lindelof and Cuse have Ben ask Locke why he bothers walking if he can turn into Smoke. Locke says, “I like the feel of my feet on the ground. It reminds me that I was human.” Sure, it slows him down and may keep him from carrying out his evil plans but there’s nothing like feeling human.

Locke and Ben arrive at the well that Desmond was thrown into. Desmond is gone. Shocking. Ben asks Locke what Widmore whispered to him. Locke says, “He said Desmond was a failsafe. Jacob’s last resort in case, God forbid, I managed to kill all of his beloved candidates. One final way to make sure I never leave this place.” Widmore is a really fast whisperer.

Locke says he wants to find Desmond to help him do the one thing he could never do himself. Leave the island. No wait, destroy the island. Yeah, destroy the island. He wanted to leave the island and needed to kill Jacob to do it but now he really wants to destroy the island… and leave the island… somehow. So much for leaving the island for Ben.

I've been lurking here for a while to read all these great posts. Much more entertaining than the show has been. Special mention to Colin72...your posts are fantastic.
This show has become so convoluted that there's only 1 way the Finale will make any sense to me. If Picard shows up & says " Sorry, the holodeck is malfunctioning & we have to end the program now".:biggrin:

Man, even Colin72's usual enthusiastic mockery of the show feels lackluster this time around (sorry dude). Could it be because this show is doing such a perfect job of making fun of itself that there's not even a point anymore? Or is it that it has turned in to such horrible drivel that even the best satirist can't shape it in to something entertaining?

Once you've lost that loving feeling, it's tough to get it back. After all the nonsense we've been handed, what might have been a decent episode on its own was just another bag of by products thrown onto the compost pile. Colin and others have wrapped up the obvious problems far better than I ever could, but just a few things that make me feel sick about the whole experience.

Jacob's Camp Fire: the only thing missing was Charlie's guitar and a rousing sing along of "Michael Rowed the Raft Ashore." The illogic of it all was staggering. It's all been an extended six year run of "The Biggest Loser."

Whatever Mattered Didn't Matter: the numbers, Dharma Initiative, Chang, Hanso/deGroot, the Blackrock Journal, Aaron, Jieyon, the Others, other Others and any other Others, Cindy and the kids, rules, Richard's immortality, polar bears, Eko, the statue, Annie, Walt, Dogen and Lennon, Zoe, infection, Ilana... how many times have these hacks insulted us, knowing we'd show up the very next week for another beating? Just seeing that there are posts in the "loved it" thread sends me into a deep depression.

At the end of the day... it's just smoke and mirrors.

Let me get this straight. This episode...the one that inspired a poster to write an apology for being negative towards the resolution, told us , among other things, that

The Cave that was all mystical and interesting earlier in the season, with the deadly rope ladder and the scales......Meant Nothing. "Like we totally got you, brah! The chalk was just chalk, man! Ha!" Jacob found a tub of Sidewalk Chalk and was just goofing around.

The Ben/Widmore 'rules' were nothing but talk. Years of speculation and curiosity amounting to....Nothing. A gentleman's agreement. How veddy veddy good of you kind sir. Kill away.

The mystical ShorterGhostJacob was just a clone out searching for Jacob Ash.....Glowing and Bloody and Grinny.....and Ultimately pointless? Jacob could have just said to Hurley, already amenable to things Jacob says "Hey, big fella, mind making a fire and putting my ashes in there, but only after gathering all the gang together. I'll lay stuff out for you."

Richard saw Alex's body, and decided the best place to bury her was right where she fell. He dug a hole next to her and rolled her in..... What's the natural question when talking to Miles about a dead person that he's hearing? "What are they saying?" Nope. Not this time.

Ben's wheeling and dealing is such that he's able to broker a deal wherein he gets the Island (everyone's dead, but it'll be a fixer upper) and then finds out that the Island will be a cinder. Whoops!

Zoe equals useless.....Wait, that one's right. Guess she should have taken that research grant at Cornell instead.

Widmore is Three Steps Ahead....Man, that dude's quick. Of course they blew up the sub, his ride off this rock, in the world's deepest lagoon. Oh-- and he's dead. His bodyguard wasn't that great,really. I guess she was looking for a cast iron frying pan under the sink to go all traditional in her home defence plan, but they interrupted her.

Richard gets a Smokey Sucker Punch.....We were supposed to laugh at the absurdity there, right? It was a levity moment?

When one asks for answers, they really mean," we'd like to refer to our questions, but hear answers that somewhat relate, but are really more cryptic than the question." And when called a Loser to your face around a mystical campfire in LOST, you just sort of take it....Because it's a job interview, and you're trying to make a good impression.

When given cryptic answers to questions, and then told that your buddy is going to drink the magical JacobJuice ( I think they're opening one in my local mall.) you shouldn't use the time to compare notes or figure out just what the hell the answerer was talking about.

Magic shaving nicks are bad....or good....or mysterious....or just nicks. Are we really being set up for the Mystery Of The Magic Shaving Nick? Really?

I read the "Loved It" thread first every week. I try to get infused with positive energy before I read the other stuff. Because I want to love the show. I did once. But I can't fathom what the Lovers see to love. Is it the proclamations, and heroic personas? Jack does get up there and take one for the team, which is his goal. All the other mystical stuff was just him waiting for the time when he can take one for the team, and it's done. And Ben did jump in front of the car (I think, Love or Hate, everybody watching secretly wanted to see Locke get hit again....Sick, I know) But that's all it takes to make this Pros happy? Because he we are, there are no more Tuesdays. And we've found stuff that contradicts half the stuff before, and stuff that just generally is senseless. Last night I even tried to forget everything that went before. I tried to watch it like it was my first ep. That just made it worse.

The only one, in my opinion, who did the right thing was Miles. Last night's Best Line. "If you need us, we'll be running through the jungle" (Cue CCR). One hour and 48 minutes of show left. Then I'll be free. I smell the end of Deadwood coming on though. Maybe that's why they keep hiring Deadwood dudes.


I actually thought Colin might not show this week. Because it's not funny anymore...(except for Richard being in the world's biggest game of Midget Toss.) But I thought he was dry too. Hell, Conan'd have a hard time making jokes out of this mess.

Like I said todd, Lost is just a pure fantasy now.

Ugh, why couldn't they have just set it up this way from the beginning?

If they had set this up, there would have been no season 6 ......... or 5............. or 3...... mybe not even a 2.

Easily the worst episode since...the last one. This might have been the worst episode yet.

First - I think it is plain to see that the writers are making fun of the audience. Openly disparaging them. There are the obvious examples:
- Chuck E. Cheese and other interviews
- "questions only lead to more questions" *rock to the head
- Bernard and Rose basically saying you're all morons, get lost
- Charlie saying this is all bull, only love matters
This episode we have:
- Zoe repeating her name, as if it mattered...perhaps because everyone refers to her as "Tina"...
- then Locke literally says she is pointless.
Add to that what seem almost like deliberate plot holes.

Second, what I've hated about this show is not that questions are answered. There are plenty of shows and movies dealing in hocus pocus. Jack and his group are off to find a magic potion? I may not necessarily be interested, but there's a way to do it right.

So...remember when Jack is at the Lighthouse, and Jacob says "sometimes you have stare out into the ocean for awhile", or something to that effect? Or this episode, when he said he wanted people to make a choice? These are all things that imply not necessarily "hocus pocus", but rather PERSONAL GROWTH. I.E., you must struggle and mature into the 'Jacob' position, over a period of, say, 6 television seasons. This is supported by the fact that Jacob calls the writing in the cave just "lines of chalk". (Of course why the eff was he in there writing on the ceiling in chalk anyway?)

All of the above is totally negated when you just drink blessed pond water and became the omnipotent ruler of the island.
It's just writing on a wall (you stupid fans!)...but it's NOT just a drink of water.

I just remembered before submitting...what about Locke talking to Jack saying "Yeah i was your dad, you needed water, blah blah blah"
This fits nowhere in the past two episodes. In ATS he thinks men are evil and corrupt; doesn't want to help them at all. Now he just wants everyone dead and the island blown up.

Worst episode of the series.

Let me get this straight. This episode...the one that inspired a poster to write an apology for being negative towards the resolution

I quite liked the idea that an apology was owed for being critical.

The only one, in my opinion, who did the right thing was Miles. Last night's Best Line. "If you need us, we'll be running through the jungle"

Miles is the only character whose actions really made sense in WTDF.

This episode was just another example of the terrible writing that has plagued this show for seasons now. More deep, well though out answers revealed once again. Why were they brought to the Island? Well, their lives were flawed. Tell me, oh wise one (Jacob), who on the entire planet is NOT flawed?

Tell me this, how is it that Jacob was never fired? Could this guy have possibly been more inept at his job? He spent centuries on Wine-Cork Island, bringing a bunch of poor saps there that he thought were “candidates” and how does he determine his replacement? He lets them have “free will” (after bringing them to the Island by doing things like forcing #815 to travel off course and blowing it up over the Island- that’s free will?) and has / allows the Others to kill them and play games with them. If it is so important to prevent MiB from leaving the Island, because evil will then spread uncontrollably, why not show these “candidates” what is really going on from the get-go? If he can force them to come to the Island from all over the world, why does he need to give the Others a list of their names and go through all of the nonsense from all of the seasons? Why couldn’t he just have Jack and the other candidates come to his humble abode beneath the four-toed statue that first night and determine which one would best replace him? As many others have already pointed out, Locke would have been the obvious choice since he had the strongest connection to the Island. Again, for a character with such tremendous powers that he can watch Jack’s entire life and reach out and touch them all over the globe, he sure was a moron. And who did Jacob report to? He / she / it should also be fired.

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Sorry to see you in here Merch as I know you've been keeping the faith, as I once was until about halfway through this Season. I've been hoping the episodes get better after each one I don't like, and as I said I even had a glimmer of hope at the beginning of this episode. I do hope they can wrap it up well in the finale, but I unfortunately just don't have faith anymore. I'm hoping I'm wrong just for the fact of all the time I've invested in Lost, because if it ends as badly as what I've seen so far this season, it seems like such a waste.

I'm not at that point where I'm writing the show off as waste, but I see a lot of people are leaning that way.

In posts in the ATS forum I was saying how I think getting an end date, coupled with the writers strike, coupled with how much they held back and back loaded (the reveals and answers they've been playing close to the chest) ultimately hurt these last few seasons.

The show was also something that started out as an idea that a handful of people found interesting. They were brough together to come up with a pilot, a story, and it was initially something that they didn't know if other people would like. The creators are on record as saying that they had a story that could have wrapped in ten or twelve episodes had they not been renewed.

The success obviously caused them to expand the show and the middle was written for the fans, for themselves to a degree, and for the network. It gave them a chance to explore some themes and characters more. But they did put out a lot of threads and story points that won't be tied off by them in the show.

I'm okay with some of them. I can manufacture my own resolutions to some story points satisfyingly. I think though that the end has always been more about staying true to the idea they had at conception. While I think they're staying true to their own vision, wrapping up their initial premise in the way they wanted, I think the execution of some plot points could have been done better had the strike not happened.

I think having negotiated an end date, and then having a strike happen, caused some panic. With all the info they held back still needing to be put in the show, they sacrificed some story threads that I think could have been interwoven over the last couple seasons, that some of the "secrets" could have been let out of the bag earlier in order to give episodes a more even feel and flow.

Of course it's easy for me to say that sitting here at my computer.

CrazyLatin Post 166 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2349368&postcount=166)

CL had a post in a now closed thread that talks about her reasons for staying into the show.

I had an early couple in the thread about the character focus, and the rising above personal demons aspect that helped rope me into the show.

In the end, I'll probably always watch the first few seasons more than the last few. The struggle of the characters, for me it was Locke and Charlie early on but most of them were intriguing, kept me coming back. There have been flaws in the show as a whole; lulls and mis-steps and inconsistencies, but I can tighten my focus to the characters and to certain scenes when the going gets tough.

My hope in the finale is that there will be some good character moments. I can let go of the disappoint in some of the loose ends I wanted to see wrapped into the larger story. Just give me some good scenes and a Michael Giacchino score. :biggrin: Some may feel ripped off in getting that, but it's those moments that make episodes rewatchable.

People hated on What Kate Does but it has one of the best scenes in the season in. Sawyer talking to Kate about proposing to Juliet. That scene played great, imo.

I think the writers can deliver a couple of good ones in the finale. I don't need the end of Lost to somehow make the rest of the show I've watched better. A cherry on a sundae doesn't make the sundae for me. It's still ice cream with or with out it.

And ice cream is good.

And I can't think of a better way to end a ramble than with thoughts of ice cream. Hmmmmm....ice cream.... ;)

Jack drank the Kool-Aid.

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I still don't know what they died for.

WTDF.

Everytime I see that abbreviation I think it's some combination of What The F.. and What Da F... which is rather fitting

Thanks Merch,..my feelings in a nutshell.

I am sad, and disgusted with S6. I had such high hopes for Lost,...perhaps that is my problem. It has become such a huge disappointment. I feel as though I have been chewing month old gum, for the past five episodes. Ulk.

I have been a huge supporter of Lost, with some exceptions when I felt I was being talked down to, but in general, I have loved this show. Though, I wanted to stop watching after Dr. Linus' episode, I did not. Not because I loved what was being presented, but because I have six years invested. I was hoping, desperately, that somehow the subsequent episodes would prove me wrong, but sadly, they have not.

I will watch the finale, but not because I am excited, or hopeful. It's because I have so much time invested so far, I need to see if I am correct in my disappointment.

DL and CC have played us...we bought the 'long con' guys....:(

Everytime I see that abbreviation I think it's some combination of What The F.. and What Da F... which is rather fitting

I know; I actually almost commented on that myself.

Not as bad as last week's but still a wack episode.
Now MIB/Jacob's purpose/motives are even MORE convoluted. Awesome.
So dissappointing.

The fireside infodump was a nightmare. Everyone of Jacob's scenes was painful. Aw, those sad wise eyes...
And Jack actually took the job without knowing what the stakes are? I mean,what really happens if smokey smothers the fire? everyone they care for dies, but why?, how.
And of course everyone is asking the wrong questions and accepting non-answers.
Kate is a mother and Sun isn't? Jin is a father, too.
As for being alone and unhappy, who isn't, out of the several billion people in this world.

Widmore whispering was a desperate attempt to giving information, as Zoey's strategically timed radio call.
they hve two more episodes and are still stalling.
I liked this episode even less than the last one.

I don't think I've hit F5 so much waiting to see Colin72 as the last poster for his recap.....



That is what I am doing. I enjoyed immensely better than last week, but have to see what Collin says.

A reminder. This thread is for why you didn't like this episode. It's not for discussing anything else. Those posts will be deleted.

I used to secretly harbour a hope that all of this would somehow come together in the end...But I don't even have that. It's so nonsensical that I don't even know when the events of this ep occured. Everything, soup to nuts, was terrible. Worse than the BWP let down for me. Everything down to what Zoe sees in her binocs doesn't seem to match anything else..


And I forgot to mention the bang up job of having Ben yell for someone to call the police in the busy parking lot, and then get thrown onto the hood of a car, and then get beat up without once having someone come to his aid....or, apparently call the police. Nor do they seem to care later when he's being patched up by the school nurse. No Prinicipal, or vice principal, or colleagues come to visit. Locke just happens by. Just frakkin' ludicrous.

And where did Jack get his new Non Exploding backpack this week? (complete with cool Sierra Cup!) They must have a Mountain Equipment Co-Op on the Island.

Well...I belong in the Didn't Love It camp, but I'll say, I didn't hate it as much this time around...up until the campfire. That was Craptacular! I know it's been said here already, but I got such a Kumbaya vibe from the scene, I threw up a little in my mouth.

The posts here have been great and drew out the idiotic inconsistencies very well. Watching it as a comedy also seems like a smart idea.

Honestly, I even discounted the senseless deaths...so used to them now, I don't even stop to think...'wow, did they just wipe out a character that's been a core part of the (incredibly meaningless, according to Cuse and Lindlehof) mythology for 4 seasons?

Not that anyone cares, but I did notice that Ben's ***-whooping in the FS drew out the same tried-and-true mental rattling 'visions' thing you see in movies and that Hurley saw when he was makin' out with the Libster. Makes me think we're going to get some kind of goofy 'you can't escape your destiny by Flashing Sideways!' in the finale.

Oh, how I hope it really is some kind of intentional con...this is the only episodic show I've watched where I wound up hoping they'd use a cheap plot gimmick like having it 'turn out to be a dream'...maybe something like Existenz. But who am I kidding - these film school dropouts would struggle with plot consistency in Wipeout! (part of ABC's EXCITING new Summer Season!!!)

Jack's communion was preposterous. I would now like a magic elixir that lets me crap $100 bills and gives me x-ray vision whenever Trish Regan is on TV (not at the same time :grin:)...can someone turn a few Latin phrases and help me out?! ;)

I have given this whole season the benefit of a doubt, ep after ep. Used to be there'd be one thing every now and then that bugged the hell out of me (Ben having Kate put on a dress, etc) Now I'm so disappointed with their just-put-anything-in-there-they'll-love-us-anyway "solutions," I feel betrayed. Biggest Shark Jumping Moment: the light at the center of the island. Time-traveling multiple-universe multi-layered clues-in-everything gods-running-things scifi/fantasy I'll buy, but "drinking from the river so you're immortal" ... "the light that is in all of us"? C'mon.

This is what I get for thinking this thing was the best tv show in history -- the closest thing we've ever had to televised literature -- and then finding out it was just a tv show. Darlton must've decided at some point they were just going to wrap things up and "let the writing save it." As a writer, I know the writing ain't gonna save it. The actor's ain't gonna save it. Not with contradictions and plot holes and contrivance.

Please please please let the smoke and mirrors of Season 6 be misdirection! Please have something up your sleeves that will redeem this thing.

I laughed, Colin!

This is a small point that shows how the writers just write whatever now, don't even make sense from sentence to sentence, even in the more normal FS world.

Desmond is handcuffed in the van. He wants Ana-Lucia to free him. She plays hard core cop who can't be hoodwinked and says tells him the guy with the money had better show up or she'll have to shoot them. Desmond says, "he'll be here." OK, then, I guess that's the kind of reassurance a paranoid cop needs to hear?

She then lets him out, lets him walk away from the van, turns her back on him, and releases Kate and Sayid, who are coming out of the van when Hurley pulls up in a vehicle that could hold a squad of goons with guns, and she's not even on the alert.

It's a small scene, but could they be bothered to try to make it a little bit believable?
She doesn't trust Desmond, so she shouldn't release them until she sees the money in her hot hands. It's a no brainer. It's like they aren't even thinking back to the last sentence they wrote.

Then when Desmond pulled out the dress, that was too dumb. Obviously done to repeat the scene from Season 3 where Kate gets a dress. Never mind the fact that it's a fitted strapless dress and he had no way to know which size to buy her so that it would be neither too tight nor fall off her.

You know what would be funny and more realistic, would be if the dress totally didn't fit her and she had to deal with it all during the concert, but of course it will be perfect on her.

Another stupid scene, not only does Jack not put something on his scary looking neck wound, but his son doesn't ask him what's up with it, and the kid is staring at it close range.

How does Smocke even know about Widmore's daughter? She's never been to the island. He's never been off the island. Desmond never mentioned he loves Widmore's daughter. Smocke just knows, but he doesn't know that Widmore is hiding in the closet.

The premise behind what can happen at this point is about as logical as "My Mother the Car" or "Mr. Ed."

JACOB (to Jack, Kate, James and Hurley at the campfire):
Well, I’ve looked over all of your resumes and I think you are all qualified for the job, so which one of you wants it?

Awkward silence for a beat.

JACK:
Well, I guess if no one else wants the job-

JAMES:
Now, just hold on a damn minute, doc. What’s the benefits plan like?

HURLEY:
Yeah, dude, is there like a meal plan or anything? And why didn’t you ask Locke- original Locke, that is? He was, like, the most connected of all us to the Island, dude- and he had no one at home.

KATE:
What about health insurance coverage? This place is pretty dangerous, after all. Did you see what a high caliber rifle at almost point blank range did to my shoulder? Jack just stitched me up though, with a piece of string, stating that if he didn’t the wound would get infected. Never mind that his hands were filthy and sweaty and so on, as was I.

JACOB:
All excellent questions, but as a freak once told my mother- just before she bashed my mother’s head in with rock several times, questions only lead to more questions. Besides, we have to roll the ending credits now. Sorry.

Took two tries before I finished this train wreck.
Jacob has become one of my least favorite characters in tv history.
Writers cannot even keep a consistent story going for one episode.
I died a little during Jacks communion.
No longer a believer in letting the writers tell the story, they wanted to tell.
It just boggles the mind that going into the last season of the most scrutinized shows, they were this sloppy, and decided to go the campy route.

A thousand people killed because of Jacob, and he doesn't even pick his successor, the candidate picked himself. That right there rendered all but 3 episodes this year unneeded. Last weeks episode taught us that seasons 2 through 5 had no importance, and this weeks proves this entire season had no purpose.

Only other tv series that can match Lost in rapid decline in quality is maybe the Simpsons during their season 9. I can honestly say, I did not enjoy the ride.

I tried to re-watch the Campfire scene. I wanted to write a parody on how the convo really should have went down. I got 2 minutes in, and I just couldn't do it. Only time ever that I cannot bring myself to re-watch a Lost episode.

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Worst part of the episode is that Widmore has turned out to be less than useless.

Also, where is Claire? I guess Locke left her on the other island. She's just going to be hanging out over there, all by herself, I guess?

This show sucks.

How did Ben, Miles and Richard take so long to get to the barracks? In that time, Hurley managed to take Jack, Sun and Frank right into danger, ie. MIB's camp, Zoe visited to threaten them, they had the whole let's-trick-MIB-with-the-sailboat-and-get-captured-by-Widmore-instead ruse, everyone got locked in a cage with no explanation that "MIB wants to kill you all so please don't escape except we're treating you guys like crap so you will want to escape, making MIB's wish come true more easily), Jack "saved" them, ie, condemned four of them to death, and then all the "heroes" got into a sinking sub. While everyone was dying in the water, Widmore and Zoe decided to trek over to the barracks to... do what exactly?

I am spent. Totally disinterested. Took me 24 hours to get here.

Really. This has drained me completely. It has lost it's charm to amuse me. I like the thought of looking at this is a comedy. It works better.

I actually laughed outloud when Not Locke was paddling his outrigger across the ocean (cue the guitar riff.....SMOKE...ON THE WATER!!! bum bum bum bum bum ba bum...)

My name is Desmond Mr....errrrr..Dr. Linus...and I am applying for the job of the guy kicking your *** by reminding you that I kicked your *** before...by kicking your ** again because this is the new LOST...and we kick lots of ***.

And yet...NOBODY CALLED THE POLICE!!! A teacher, in the age in which we live, screams this man hit Mr. Locke and now he is kicking my ***...nobody does. Last street brawl I got into was on freakin You Tube the next day and I had some splaining to do!!

Ah, I get it...Locke will call....segue into..the station Sawyer works at!! Not a centrally located 911 dispatch center mind you...not that LA is a major market and has the largest police force in the country...911 comes right to this particular station just so we can see Desmond walk inside...

Not even touching Danielle...that...was...so...forced...nice to know Alex looks at Ben like a father (cue Cat Stevens O' very young for those missing that freight train of forced irony)

Jacob tells Hurley to go get his friends who are about ten yards away when it is broad daylight..and back they come in pitch black. How can we be the only ones seeing this huge hole in the story telling?? I get it...we can see the flickering fire better.

Gather round children...here is the answer to the greatest mystery ever...I picked you because you....were worthless losers...YES YOU WERE JAMES GOSH DARN YOU!!!"

Ugh.

This just in...smoke dude like to feel human so he walks when he can fly. Is that a hunk of cheese? Oh, hi Richard.

Also, the old rules don't apply anymore. See Ben giving Widmore lead poisoning. Cue the sinister bug eyed snear..."So, you say there are more people to kill??'

Oh yeah, Tina Fey Palin Red Shirt got her throat slit.

RIIIIICHARD!!!!

Widmore, Richard, Palin..more violent, senseless deaths. But standby, because there are more people to kill.

Flash sideways...um. If it is a Springsteen show, yeah, that is worth a massive prison break. I would so do that too instead of , y'know, FLEEING THE STATE. Tramps like us...

I hope they are going somewhere with that soon. Desmond being the souldriver here.

Spend that $125,000 well Ana...that should pay for the relocation...try driving the price up a bit before totally selling yourself out of a career anywhere in the US at least. Hugo won..LOTS of money. That made less sense than...um...cages and strawberries come to mind.

Jacob..the once all seeing and all knowing diety that generations have followed blindly is, in actual fact, a total moron. And now, Jack is juuuuuuuust like him. Turn on the heart light Jack. It's yours to lose.

Jacob's explaination is...I made a mistake. My bad. Don't let the fire go out. I miss my mommy. You may know her as Eve. The black whispy fella...he is a bit of a malcontent. May or may not be my evil twin. REALLY??

I have a lot of sadness over this show. Six years is a long time and I will miss it. The last 2.5 hours is something I am actually looking forward too...and hope there is a sliver of redemption.

Great recap colin72. I will miss your posts. START A BLOG DUDE.

This episode was at least "sufferable" than the stinking mess that the previous one was. Didnt feel like swearing at the screen. Just watched :drowsy:
2 boo moments. Few answers given with no way to sanely interpret them.

Most points are well covered in here. The "whisper" moment was laughable. Jacobs casual way of seeking his heir was infuriating. I previously had wished he was punched in the face by MIB. I now wish MIB somehow resurrects Jacob to burn that sleepy-eyed retard back again.

THE BEST SCENE was when Desmundo beat the crap out of Ben in public & no one cared. Everyone went about as if nothing was going on. WOW!
But then, that is exactly how I am watchin Lost now.

Awaiting Sunday for that last time Lost will ever be with us. I shall be free from the shackles that the now incredible Season 1 had put on & then I will Thank the Almighty (& colin72) & move on.

*mod edit*

But when you have 6 damned years at your disposal you can make an exception & still come up with something fantastic. After this Sunday, I will forget lost but what shall stay is my own foolishness as to how could I ever fall for the glib talk & shameless lies of Darlton. I wanted to believe I was watching epic tv. However it was all BS.

Keep your sanity & self-respect intact - Stay away from Darlton in the future.

My disappointment with the producer's decision to leave so many loose ends hanging has been exacerbated by their arrogance about it in recent interviews. Damon in particular seems to have contempt for any fan with a brain.

So I hate this weeks episode on principal, but that said, I thought it had some surprisingly good writing, as LOST goes. I always like it when characters are being honest with each other with plausible dialogue and we got a fair amount of it. Sawyer's blaming himself out loud was a great example of how far his character has come. We also saw the plot move foward with Jack stepping up, and there was increasing clarity about who is on which side and the kinds of things that we can expect in the finale. And the prison break was so funny, I was willing to forgive the absurdity of it. Jacob and Widmore were both a bit oblique before the commercial breaks, but we did get some good info out of each of them.

So I did not love the episode but I sure wish more of season six had been like this.

Once more. Your posts should be discussing why you Didn't Love the episode.

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Hurley remembers Ana Lucia. I guess he’s been making out with Libby and remembering a lot from the island. Either that or Desmond has been helping him out by punching him in the face or running over him with his car.


As long as Colin comes up with stuff like this I'm not complaining! Can't blame him for perhaps not being in his prime, though; one can only find so much inspiration in beating
the pulp of a dead horse to a pulp. I'm a man of faith, though, at least to the extent that I have complete faith in that the finale will provide much more than 2.5 times the inspiration
of a normal episode.

But, yes, Desmond's ingenious master plan is truly one of my favorite story lines here in the dusk of what was once a promising tv series.

Watching Desmond glide from one contrived scene to the other with that smug knowing little smile on his lips is quite entertaining indeed. I wonder whether his schemes will
eventually surpass the one in which the Joke Monster used the flash-doctored Swatch, some C4 and clairvoyance to blow up the sub! Chances are that they will.

I guess we should laud the writers for their restraint, as they haven't used any C4 in the FSW. Yet.

Please please please let the smoke and mirrors of Season 6 be misdirection! Please have something up your sleeves that will redeem this thing.


amen.

I can't believe that Widmore whispered his plan to Smokie like he was a 6 y.o girl telling a secret to her bestest friend in the whole wide world! :rolleyes:

Alas, the mysterious Widmore amounted to absolutely nothing. Just like all the other dropped storylines.

So... Kate was a mother and that's why her name is crossed off? Well, Sawyer has a daughter, or does that just not count? Hell, Kate's not even Aaron's mom, she was just kinda babysitting (kidnapping) him until Claire's mom took him! Not even mentioning Sun/Jin. Sheesh.

I can't wait for Sunday to be over, then I will no longer feel obligated to watch a show I fell out of love with. Good riddance Lost.

Aphasia, you're right. This show and my viewership is exactly like a bad marriage that you can't wait to get rid of, but you don't want to admit that it went south. There's no more love, so you go through the motions. You want to be able to tell yourself you saw it through to the end. So you wait and hope for the other party to quit first.....Good thing LOST quit first.

What they died for: They died for being losers that were somehow plucked from their lives and brought to a mysterious island. Strange things happened on said island. But most will remain mysterious because one question leads to yet another. We learned of a variety of people and a variety of groups that may or may not be involved in the island. Since now the island apparently has been around for thousands of years, those groups and people are likely irrelevant. They just stumbled upon mystery island. Way back in the day, a wacky lady (mother earth) stole 2 newborns from their mother - both coming out full sized and one being light and one dark without a name because that somehow matters somewhere. Why all this happened? Cuz. It just did. So Jacob (brother lite) took over protecting the island from Mother Earth the murderer. We don't know why it needed to be protected or what from since nonamey wasn't smoked yet. If Mother Earth was the smoke why would she want to protect herself from herself.. oh a question (oops) (my bad) So back to what they died for: but wait! what about all the mysteries before.. oh.. they were simply building a mystery - like the never-ending story - it only ends once and when it does one just must start over and either go sideways, forward, back or linear not knowing what it all meant but still hoping to get answers to questions that simply are not allowed. That is what they died for: the answers they never got.

Aphasia, you're right. This show and my viewership is exactly like a bad marriage that you can't wait to get rid of, but you don't want to admit that it went south. There's no more love, so you go through the motions. You want to be able to tell yourself you saw it through to the end. So you wait and hope for the other party to quit first.....Good thing LOST quit first.What a great analogy. It irritates me to no end when people ask why I still watch the show when I've don't really like it any more.

You know, I still haven't figured out WHAT THEY DIED FOR. So far all I can come up with is because the remaining candidates are losers or something. And about Kate being a mother and therefore being crossed off...Sun was a mother and Jin was a father, and now Yi Jeon has no parents at all. Great planning, Jacob. Don't quit your day job (of killing random people to weed out all but the very loser-est losers) to become a professional gambler.

Oh, wait, I remember now: they died so Jack could protect the island in the event that MIB managed to use one of the hundreds of people Jacob brought to the island as a loophole to kill him...wait, that can't be right...well, it's a good thing I'm not writing for Lost, because that wouldn't make a lick of sense.

-steve

You know.... until the past few days... I never noticed the "smoke and mirrors" thing. I have to give Darlton kudos for that. At least they are having fun with us.

I loved Colin's recap. But I think it may not have seemed so funny because it's actually gotten really depressing. Not his recap, but just the whole thing...

I feel like Winston in Nineteen Eighty Four. I just don't care any more. It's fruitless to point out that Hurley can talk to the dead, and that Jack is a spinal surgeon. I just accept that they were brought to the island b/c they were miserable. It doesn't matter that the smoke monster was initially a security system. I don't even care that the never-harm-your-brother rule lead to Jacob beating up MIB 7 minutes later, then again 20 minutes later and smashing his head on a rock 22 minutes later.

Lost should be viewed like a powerpoint presentation for a new commercial district: lots of flashy images, but really only one point. To take your money.

A lot of people that were complaining last week have now changed their minds. I think they did so because they got to see the Losties again. But really, this episode was just like ATS, only with Jack and the others learning about it. Actually, learning 1/10 of what we learned, which is very little.
I'm going to stop whining about it, though. I don't have the energy anymore. I get it, Darlton. This is how you give answers.
We're not getting anything in the finale, so I'm just going to watch it because it's the end, and then I'll move on.

Please please please let the smoke and mirrors of Season 6 be misdirection! Please have something up your sleeves that will redeem this thing.

I second Annieone's 'amen' to that.

I give up all expectations on a satisfying end to anything I watched the show for. None of the island's mysteries will be explained, and no major plotlines or character interactions will be resolved.

All I hope for is a half-decent reason for the tortured writing, cryptic dialogue and 60+ pointless episodes.

I will even accept that Jacob was intent on passing guardianship to someone unconditionally committed to the job, not someone as reluctant as himself.

Locke's faith & commitment kept wavering, revealing that he just wanted to feel 'special'. Also, too 'amenable to coercion'.
Ben was just inebriated with power.
Jin & Sun were more committed to each other than anything else. Ditto Rose & Bernard.
Sawyer was never interested in the island anyway.
Kate would run away. Or something.
Hurley - I don't know, somebody else make something up.
Jack... well, Jack just doesn't have anything else. He actually came back to the island because, erm, why? The island is all he's got, so he'll do.

That's why so many people were brought to the island. Jacob was waiting for someone who wanted to stay there and had nothing else to distract them away. They had to be committed to staying on the island to protect it without questioning too much what it is.
That's why all the fannying about without telling anyone what was going on. Jacob had centuries to wait for a decent guardian to just 'emerge' from the mess of humanity.

And that's how desperate I am for this show to drag itself out of the bog. I'd accept stuff as bad as that.

A lot of people that were complaining last week have now changed their minds. I think they did so because they got to see the Losties again. But really, this episode was just like ATS, only with Jack and the others learning about it. Actually, learning 1/10 of what we learned, which is very little.
I'm going to stop whining about it, though. I don't have the energy anymore. I get it, Darlton. This is how you give answers.
We're not getting anything in the finale, so I'm just going to watch it because it's the end, and then I'll move on.

I think they changed their minds (and I got dangerously close to this) because compare to ATS, this seemed better on the surface. We got our freaking Losties again AND THEY WERE SPEAKING. My how my expectations have been lowered. There was actually some dialogue. However, the intrigue wore off fast for me when I reminded myself of all the issues I had had the previous week. I will NOT let Darlton drive me into the pizza shop and erase my brain. I can totally see how it would happen though because through the episode I was like "this ain't so bad" until I thought about the bigger picture.

I can totally see how it would happen though because through the episode I was like "this ain't so bad" until I thought about the bigger picture.

Heh. I know what you're talking about! I made the mistake of re-watching a couple of episodes from season 1. Man, it does not compare.
If it wasn't for the same actors and locations, I'd say I watched a completely different show. I don't know how to explain this, but it felt really different.

Not that I both liked/disliked this episode, but I've tried watching the first season and I agree with you. It's a totally different show. I don't think it will stand up to the complete rewatch we will all do.
None the less, this has been a once in a lifetime experience and I will miss Lost totally.
What a long strange ride it's been.

Kate would run away. Or something.


Actually I think Kate would keep sailing between the main Island and Hydra Island, unable to choose between them, which would make for a gripping finale.

I started to write out the things I didn't like about this episode, but I realised part way through that nothing really relates to anything else anymore, so picking on specific plot holes seems redundant. I'm not sure if I'd already lost all hope for the finale, but this episode definitely killed any I had left. I used to feel like Lost was a great show with occasional missteps, but this season has become so poor I'm worried it will make it hard to go back and watch the earlier seasons again.

2 and a bit more hours to go... I really hope they spend the extra 30 minutes they have on the apology.

"Across the Sea" killed any shred of hope for at least a few decent answers. "What They Died For" repeated all the usual sins and set up the finale to be all about the Flash Sideways connecting with what's going on with the island. That's the only thing they can "answer" because they just came up with it this season.

This episode moved along pretty fast. There are so many things happening that are contrived or make no sense that I think a lot of the audience can't process all of the BS. It's easier for some to just focus on the "cool" little moments, the shiny objects, the Chuck E. Cheeses.



Aphasia, you're right. This show and my viewership is exactly like a bad marriage that you can't wait to get rid of, but you don't want to admit that it went south. There's no more love, so you go through the motions. You want to be able to tell yourself you saw it through to the end. So you wait and hope for the other party to quit first.....Good thing LOST quit first.


Well after Sunday I’m breaking things off. I’m going over to her apartment, getting back my CDs and sweatshirt and calling her a dirty slut.




Finally, some have suggested my recap may have been a little lackluster or missing it’s usual edge of enthusiastic mockery. Haters! Naysayers! Malcontents! Rabble-rousers! What an insult that some fans doubt my obvious genius. My recaps are groundbreaking. They will change the way future snarky recappers recap crappy TV shows. All of my recaps have been planned out since the first season. If you don’t like the recaps, it’s certainly not my wit, tedious rambling, or poor grammar that is at fault. It must be YOU. My recaps are probably just too smart for you. If you don’t like the recaps maybe you should go read Colin62’s NCIS: Los Angeles recaps.

Namaste.

Remember the First and Second recaps when Colin used to be good! Now he's just degenerated into a namecaller. All that potential squandered in overly contrived criticisms. And posting a rebuttal only so he can get the 108 spot. Cheezy! I think I'm gonna reread the first post just so I can remember why I liked the things in the first place.



(it appears some thought I was serious too. Just playing along with the joke. Sheesh.....)

Remember the First and Second recaps when Colin used to be good! Now he's just degenerated into a namecaller. All that potential squandered in overly contrived criticisms. And posting a rebuttal only so he can get the 108 spot. Cheezy! I think I'm gonna reread the first post just so I can remember why I liked the things in the first place.

You know what Piecar, I think you are just picking apart the recaps because you WANT to pick them apart. You are hating on Colin now because it's popular.

Do you really think he would resort to namecalling after proving his brilliance so many times in the past? It's clear he's trying to tell you something. Read between the lines.

The recaps are a metaphor for life itself. Colin doesn't owe you the sort of recap you wanted to see. He's recapping the episodes the way he wanted to recap them.

It appears to be all in fun. Anyone not feeling that way, please report.

It appears to be all in fun. Anyone not feeling that way, please report.

No need for anyone to report. If it isn't obvious to everyone, I'll come clean and reveal that it's all in fun.. except for the part where I say my recaps have been planned out from the first season. That is absolutely true. I'm magic.



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Another person missing from this episode was Frank. I guess we were left to assume that Frank went down with the sub. At least one of the characters could have mentioned his name.


P. S. Wanna know a secret? I am enjoying this "Didn't Love It" thread more than the actual episode and I bet a lot of 'lagers are doing the same.

In fact, I have been enjoying all of the "Didn't Love It" threads this season. I guess you could say that I Love the "Didn't Love It" threads. Say, maybe we need to start a "Loving The 'Didn't Love It' threads" thread?

It's ironically ironic.

No need for anyone to report. If it isn't obvious to everyone, I'll come clean and reveal that it's all in fun.. except for the part where I say my recaps have been planned out from the first season. That is absolutely true. I'm magic.



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Since they have been planned out since the first season, (It was obvious while reading the ATS recap, what with you recapping Adam and Eve and all), You should write a re-cap for each season (Not each episode, that would be too tedious even for your genious), now that we know they meant nothing. Your commentary would be a riot.

Finally, some have suggested my recap may have been a little lackluster or missing it’s usual edge of enthusiastic mockery. Haters! Naysayers! Malcontents! Rabble-rousers! What an insult that some fans doubt my obvious genius. My recaps are groundbreaking. They will change the way future snarky recappers recap crappy TV shows. All of my recaps have been planned out since the first season. If you don’t like the recaps, it’s certainly not my wit, tedious rambling, or poor grammar that is at fault. It must be YOU. My recaps are probably just too smart for you. If you don’t like the recaps maybe you should go read Colin62’s NCIS: Los Angeles recaps.

Namaste.


LOL!!!!!!!!!! I love this.

I agree with many who posted on this thread that the way to watch Lost is that it is a parody on itself, or a comedy without the laugh track.

And the examples? We have FLocke deciding one moment it wants off the island, the next moment it wants to destroy the island. We have the Candidate Losties aka the Lone Losers brought together because...? We have Phoenix Jacoh-bee who is telling the worst campfire story I've ever heard. We had Widmore and Zoe who brilliantly hid in the closet from FLocke...hmmm...no, it's just too silly to discuss how hiding there would protect them. We have FLocke tossing Richard...now why didn't MiB do that a long time ago? We have Miles who went...where? How did he get out of there so fast that FLocke didn't toss him around? And Claire is...hmmm....

Anyway, this island stuff is too silly to even venture that this is answering the questions I had in Season 1. Oh....The sideways show is...... such a soap opera, but, again...watching it as a comedy...then I can understand why Desmond could just drive back to same place that he ran over Locke and then beat up Ben. And there's so much more, but, we're all too bored to bother.

Most of us in this thread are just stunned at what we are watching. I'm to the point of not caring either. So, I look at the threads and just read them for amusement purposes. I seriously think most of us are tired of writing the same things over and over again.....What are we watching? Doesn't that question sound familiar to most of us reading this thread?

And I'm sure we'll all be back on Sunday. And who's to say? Maybe they'll be more to write than...What are we watching?

We'll just have to wait and see.

I must say that except for 2 or 3 episodes, this season was ABYSMAL.
What they died for was not an exception and was laughable as well..if it wasn't for you guys at the "Didn't love it" thread, I would have burned all the Lost DVD's I own.

colin72 and piecar, you guys are hilarious!:biggrin:

colin, you say you are so smart, but how can you not see who Kate will pick. Obviously Kate will pick Claire and they will raise Aaron together. Can't you see from the way Kate won't leave Claire behind? She does not care about Jack or Sawyer.

It was all planned from the beginning. Miles and Sawyer will get their own buddy cop show. Jack and Juliet will join Private Practice. Locke and Hurley will co-host Dead Celebrities Backgammon ... it will all be the way it was planned in Season One. Have some faith, dude.
That is all.

I guess my post got deleted?
I was pretty sure I was following all the rules there...

I feel like I'm suffering from short term memory loss on this forum sometimes.

beema, I don't think it was the content. I think it was the use of spoiler font. Since they put in place the new rule about its use (can't be used anywhere outside of the spoiler section), I'd guess the mods that don't want to be spoiled can't really check inside to see if what you said was a spoiler or not. And since the rule is that the entire post gets deleted, then they have no choice but to erase it.

For the record, what you posted wasn't a spoiler. You could go to the forum to address these things or PM one of the mods to get your post back.

beema, I don't think it was the content. I think it was the use of spoiler font. Since they put in place the new rule about its use (can't be used anywhere outside of the spoiler section), I'd guess the mods that don't want to be spoiled can't really check inside to see if what you said was a spoiler or not. And since the rule is that the entire post gets deleted, then they have no choice but to erase it.

For the record, what you posted wasn't a spoiler. You could go to the forum to address these things or PM one of the mods to get your post back.

ahh
thankyou
that makes sense
I was pretty sure it wasn't a spoiler

This show has broken all the records for low points in a TV series. Previous low points in TV history include Fonzi jumping a shark, an entire season of "Dallas" turning out to be just a dream, and the "Twin Peaks" killer turning out to be Satan. Suddenly, in comparison to Lost, those historic debacles seem almost acceptable.

As so many have already stated, it’s a train wreck. It’s almost like they are trying to make it as bad as they possibly can.

Like so many others, I will watch till the end. My only means of punishing the responsible persons will be to boycott any future production that involves Abrhams or Darlton. I also blame ABC and I will never, ever, trust that network again. As others have said, this show was a con from the beginning.

Finally, some have suggested my recap may have been a little lackluster or missing it’s usual edge of enthusiastic mockery. Haters! Naysayers! Malcontents! Rabble-rousers! What an insult that some fans doubt my obvious genius. My recaps are groundbreaking. They will change the way future snarky recappers recap crappy TV shows. All of my recaps have been planned out since the first season. If you don’t like the recaps, it’s certainly not my wit, tedious rambling, or poor grammar that is at fault. It must be YOU. My recaps are probably just too smart for you. If you don’t like the recaps maybe you should go read Colin62’s NCIS: Los Angeles recaps.

Namaste.

"Pointed" & topical sarcasm at its best!

I, like many others in here, actually looked forward to Colin's recap all thru the season. So yes, even his so called 'lacklustre' recaps were more lustrous than the ep they recapped.

Thank you Colin72!

This show has broken all the records for low points in a TV series. Previous low points in TV history include Fonzi jumping a shark, an entire season of "Dallas" turning out to be just a dream, and the "Twin Peaks" killer turning out to be Satan. Suddenly, in comparison to Lost, those historic debacles seem almost acceptable.

I have to agree with this statement.

A lot of shows peak and then decline but Lost's fall from grace totally takes the cake. I've watched a lot of TV shows over the years and many of them have had their declines over time, but Lost is in a league of its own. The differences between Seasons 1/2 and Seasons 5/6 are amazing. It's like watching two totally different shows but with the same characters.

What makes it worse is that other shows tend to decline gracefully into cancellation but Lost was supposedly 'planned', which makes its plummet especially spectacular.

What makes it worse is that other shows tend to decline gracefully into cancellation but Lost was supposedly 'planned', which makes it plummet especially spectacular.
The arc of the show mirrors the crash of 815. It took off, it flew for awhile, it went off course, a lot of things went boom, and it went to pieces spectacularly. Unlike with the fictional crash, there will be no survivors. But it's OK, it was all Jacob Darlton's plan to have it be so. Everything happens for a reason, even bad television.

I have seen the ending of many series over the years. This one, to my disappointment, may be the biggest downfall in tv history. I do notice that it all seemed to start when we first saw Jacob and MiB. I am probably wrong, but the introduction of what turn out to be the main character's so late, seemed to not to go over very well
I can't wait to see how it ends though. This is the ending they wanted to have, so this is what we'll get.
We can then write out own ending the way we want .

Another person missing from this episode was Frank. I guess we were left to assume that Frank went down with the sub. At least one of the characters could have mentioned his name.


P. S. Wanna know a secret? I am enjoying this "Didn't Love It" thread more than the actual episode and I bet a lot of 'lagers are doing the same.

In fact, I have been enjoying all of the "Didn't Love It" threads this season. I guess you could say that I Love the "Didn't Love It" threads. Say, maybe we need to start a "Loving The 'Didn't Love It' threads" thread?

It's ironically ironic.

You're absolutely right. I actually reread some of the posts in this thread instead of rewatching the episodes like I used to!

Collin, you're hysterical- as are so many others out there. I think that I'll miss the Didn't love it Thread more than I'll miss the show.

The differences between Seasons 1/2 and Seasons 5/6 are amazing. It's like watching two totally different shows but with the same characters.

I was thinking the same thing. It's like Lost had a Jacob spin-off called
"My Brother, Smokey" and Lost characters make cameos.

You're absolutely right. I actually reread some of the posts in this thread instead of rewatching the episodes like I used to!

Collin, you're hysterical- as are so many others out there. I think that I'll miss the Didn't love it Thread more than I'll miss the show.

If you really want to have some fun, go back and read the "Didn't Love It" threads of the earlier episodes this season. It's interesting to see what -- from the very beginning of the season -- viewers had concerns about. Some issues, of course, are still relevant, like questions regading MIB and Jacob.

And where did Jack get his new Non Exploding backpack this week? (complete with cool Sierra Cup!) They must have a Mountain Equipment Co-Op on the Island.

I was ready to call another continuity fail on mr. Nations for this, but it seems it was somebody else's fault. On his podcast, Jorge Garcia and co. discuss the script and there is a scene where Jack fishes a bag out of the water and sub debris and takes a cup out of it. I guess they decided to not include it for some reason. Probably because there is no longer time for little details that establish continuity, and everything must be rush rush rushed!


Jacob tells Hurley to go get his friends who are about ten yards away when it is broad daylight..and back they come in pitch black. How can we be the only ones seeing this huge hole in the story telling??

Yeah, that bullcrap has been happening this entire season. Continuity is getting the shaft. Building on this and my above statement, it's really been a huge detractor for me that this season has felt like such a slipshod rushed-job. Everything is being done so last minute, which makes no sense for something that is supposedly so planned-out for such a long time. Work on things in advance! Give yourself adequate time to make a polished product!

I just learned two things that give some insight as to what a night-before-it's-due homework assignment this season has been.
According to Darlton, they didn't even write the final scene in the show until they were in hawaii filming it. This was because it was so hard for them to "let go" and face the end.
wtf? I would of hoped the entire season, since it was conceived of so far in advance, would be fully written, final scene and all, before they even started production!
No wonder everything is shoddy. It gets written last minute with no room for proper editing or refinement.

Then on GJB podcast, Jorge mentioned that the scene with him taking Jacob's ash from Ilana's stuff in Everybody Loves Hugo was not filmed until after they filmed the ash-related scene in What They Died For. Presumably this means they said "oh crap... we forgot... how did Hurley even get this ash?"
Such astounding forethought... really guys!

What a great analogy. It irritates me to no end when people ask why I still watch the show when I've don't really like it any more.

Agreed. I cannot stand when people say that to me. Some people just don't get it...

Probably because there is no longer time for little details that establish continuity, and everything must be rush rush rushed!


If only they'd had some sort of end-date planned they could have forseen this!

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-steve

This thread is hilarious. Yet, sadly, i agree with everything. No wonder Darlton are going into hiding.

They've took for granted the fact they had three years of knowing when their show was ending. Very few shows are given that luxury. And their excuse: it's about characters. The last character driven story was told in early season 4. Maybe one or two in season 5 other than that it's just been a sequence of random events stuffed into 40 minutes and given a title that's ultimately more interesting than the show itself.

Maybe if the characters were given their personalities back and actually had concrete motivations for doing the random crap they do i'd agree. But telling us the show is about characters makes it even more laughable. They're just caricatures. I feel for the actors.

Note to Darlon:
Having Hurley (hope he dies tonight) constantly say "Dude!", Sawyer constantly scream "Son of a bitch" and Kate always changing her mind does not mean it's good character writing.

Oh, almost forgot about Ana Lucia's cameo. Wonder how much they spent flying Michelle out just to get an envelope off Desmond. Bet Ana toddled back to the station "Oops, you'll never guess what happened? I lost three prisoners on the way here. Anyway i quit because i conveniently came into some money."

And fugitive Kate follows a stranger who gives her a small black dress to take her to a concert. As you do.

And fugitive Kate follows a stranger who gives her a small black dress to take her to a concert. As you do.

What eterosexual girl wouldn't follow Henry Ian Cusick? :rolleyes:
I actually thought that part was believable ;)

What eterosexual girl wouldn't follow Henry Ian Cusick? :rolleyes:
I actually thought that part was believable ;)

The unbelievable part is that she is supposed to be wanted for murder and just escaped from jail. Shouldn't she be making her way to the border instead of going to a public event?

I rewatched it last night with family member who missed Tuesday. He's a watched every episode but doesn't go deep into it type viewer. When he saw the "you're getting shipped off to County" bit he was, WHAT? NO WAY? Then after the "break" he was sort of speechless about how bad it was. He couldn't believe Richard was gone just like that.

When Jacob gave his speech, reaction was "put another log on that fire!"

The only moment he liked in the episode was Miles saving himself. He laughed. I agree. Miles is the one character who now carries the humor and believable motivation that got sucked out of the rest of them. Hurley isn't funny any more,

On repeat viewing, the "whisper to me" line was even more cringe-worthy, Ben was on his way out of the "closet." Also with the "he doesn't get to save his daughter" line -- I finally remembered that Ben decided not to kill Penny because of the baby, so WTF would he want her Smokied. Will the real Ben please stand up?

Question: did Jack swim out of the sub with his backpack that had the cup in it? Had Smocke switched backpacks with him or just stuck a bomb in Jack's pack? After taking out the bomb, did Jack put his backpack back on? I no longer have "The Candidate" on my DVR.

Question: did Jack swim out of the sub with his backpack that had the cup in it? Had Smocke switched backpacks with him or just stuck a bomb in Jack's pack? After taking out the bomb, did Jack put his backpack back on? I no longer have "The Candidate" on my DVR.

see my post above

Thanks beema!
I thought I was seeing each new post to this topic, but sometimes when I come back through an email link I do miss one, and I had missed yours. Excellent post, as usual. I didn't really care whether they established how Jack got a cup, but his backpack had been the focus of attention in the sub bombing, and it seemed he shouldn't have one any more.

I don't see why Jacob couldn't have shown up with a nice wine glass. I was so distracted when Jack was drinking the stream water. All I could think was "leptospirosis! Giardia! Don't drink it, Jack!"

With all his magic, and having surely been thinking about this moment, surely Jacob could have pulled off some wine ... what if Jack hadn't packed his tin cup for a chalice. (Jimmy Buffett nod, "Tin Cup Chalice." Then what, scoop it up and say drink out of my hands? Take off your shoe, Jack, you'll have to use it as a cup?

It also bugged me when Jacob said "I don't really know how to start." Dude, you've had this speech assigned to you for two millennia, and you haven't written your opening?

Talk about a foreseeable end point, Jacob had a lot of time to arrange things, stash some nice wine and stemware at the lighthouse, draw a map to the light instead of saying "go to the bamboo forest and head for the ridge" -- write down Ten Highly Effective Ways to Try to Kill a Smoke Monster" -- or how about, appear to Hugo and tell him to keep the Candidates from boarding the sub without going through a TSA routine ... nah ... ;)