I don't know if I agree with all the connections between the losties. Miles and Sawyer are cops. I don't know, it's like they wanted to keep last season's buddy buddy between them going. For me it doesn't work. There was nothing new about Sawyer that we haven't seen before, he was still the same guy with his hatred for Cooper. The only difference was he was a cop. Why did they have to throw Charlotte as a date for him? Another bad episode.

I don't know if I agree with all the connections between the losties. Miles and Sawyer are cops. I don't know, it's like they wanted to keep last season's buddy buddy between them going. For me it doesn't work. There was nothing new about Sawyer that we haven't seen before, he was still the same guy with his hatred for Cooper. The only difference was he was a cop. Why did they have to throw Charlotte as a date for him? Another bad episode.

I see what you mean now (after watching) -- I guess Sawyer's "something" that is the same in both timelines is his intense hatred for AC and his desire to see him dead. He did make the choice of becoming a lawman rather than a conman - which wasa a good choice. So, maybe he will have the capacity to not make the ultimate choice of killing Cooper like he did in the Brig.

However -

Many DIMPLE fans held the opinion Sawyer was a lawman in the early episodes - before "Confidence Man" - and some still after that one thought he may have been undercover!

So it is actually quite a shout out to the Sawyer Fans that he has always flirted with the "law" - "I'm the new Sheriff in Town" , taking the Marshall's badge, becoming HEAD of Security for DI, and in the Flash Sideways it just seems right he is a cop!

His friendship with Miles was very much like the whole LeFleur/Suliet episode/romance. We had all of - what - four episodes to sell that romance? To sell the friendship between Miles and he? So, if it feels strange - it is a bit - because it wasn't very long for people to make the connections "stick".

However, I thought they did a fairly decent job getting that friendship started - Miles seemd to respect and look to Sawyer as a leader and comrade in the situation they were experiencing. It is an unusual pairing but it's plausible at this point.

Now Charlotte - a different story alltogether. I think it's due to the fan-love - people wanting to see her again, etc. She's a pretty face.

Well, they needed some way to justify Ken Leung's series regular paycheck. Like Sun and Jin he's barely said two words so far.

I disagree, I think Sawyer is different in this timeline. He's not Sawyer, he's Lafleur. He seems to me to be exactly the same person he was when he was acting like Lafleur for the DI. There may not be a huge difference between the Saywer's from the 2 timeline's but there is a subtle difference. Even though the ALT Sawyer still has hatred for Cooper, he isn't letting it consume his life in a negative way

I have to say I don't get it. What's wrong with all of the characters running into eachother in the Sideways timeline, and being in similar situations, similar relationships? We all spend five seasons debating the subject of destiny, of the universe self-correcting, of the possibility of changing the future. Now, when we're seeing evidence of destiny in the sideways timeline, there's something wrong? To me, it makes perfect sense in the narrative of the show.

What was interesting to me about ALT-verse Sawyer is he's reminiscent of LaFleur.

But in LAX he was reminiscent of season 1 Sawyer.

In fact, didn't he help Kate escape the airport in LAX??

How exactly does that square with him being a cop?

That seems like quite the discrepancy...

Even though the ALT Sawyer still has hatred for Cooper, he isn't letting it consume his life in a negative wayI dunno 'bout that. Seems to me alt-Sawyer was as obsessed with Cooper as original Sawyer was. He was just obsessing as a cop rather than as a con man.

Actually, though, I loved how that fact informed the statement "I reached a point where I could either become a criminal or a cop...." Either way, he finds himself in a position to try to hunt down Cooper.

BTW, I loved that Sawyer and Miles were partners...loved the tie-in to the original timeline.

I dunno 'bout that. Seems to me alt-Sawyer was as obsessed with Cooper as original Sawyer was. He was just obsessing as a cop rather than as a con man.

Actually, though, I loved how that fact informed the statement "I reached a point where I could either become a criminal or a cop...." Either way, he finds himself in a position to try to hunt down Cooper.

BTW, I loved that Sawyer and Miles were partners...loved the tie-in to the original timeline.

I agree with everything you said, Ed. :Laie_98:

Miles + Sawyer = Good times :biggrin:

I dunno 'bout that. Seems to me alt-Sawyer was as obsessed with Cooper as original Sawyer was. He was just obsessing as a cop rather than as a con man.

Actually, though, I loved how that fact informed the statement "I reached a point where I could either become a criminal or a cop...." Either way, he finds himself in a position to try to hunt down Cooper.

BTW, I loved that Sawyer and Miles were partners...loved the tie-in to the original timeline.

Well-said.

ALTSawyer definitely is just as obsessed w/ Cooper.

I think one of the things they're getting at this season is the notion of crossworads and the illusion of choice.. Someone said as much in an earlier episode, I can't remember who it was... but, basically, the idea that would they're lives end up that different... I remember now, it was Ben, when talking to Frank about still ending up on the Island.

It's like certain things are bound to happen no matter what.

Yes, Sawyer had a crossroads where he chose to become a cop or a conman, but ultimately those details are incidental. What defined him, his obsessoin w/ finding Cooper remained a constant regardless.

I have to say I don't get it. What's wrong with all of the characters running into eachother in the Sideways timeline, and being in similar situations, similar relationships? We all spend five seasons debating the subject of destiny, of the universe self-correcting, of the possibility of changing the future. Now, when we're seeing evidence of destiny in the sideways timeline, there's something wrong? To me, it makes perfect sense in the narrative of the show.

I don't really have a problem with all the characters bumping into each other, but it does seem a tad stretched. It now seems all of our characters live in LA, when that wasn't the case in the original timeline. I don't have a problem with it though.

I dunno 'bout that. Seems to me alt-Sawyer was as obsessed with Cooper as original Sawyer was. He was just obsessing as a cop rather than as a con man.

Well, obsessing as a cop is better than obsessing as a con man, wouldn't you think? As a cop he's not going around and conning naive, lonely women out of their money and ruining their lives.

What was interesting to me about ALT-verse Sawyer is he's reminiscent of LaFleur.

But in LAX he was reminiscent of season 1 Sawyer.

In fact, didn't he help Kate escape the airport in LAX??

How exactly does that square with him being a cop?

That seems like quite the discrepancy...

I thought the exact same thing.

I was expecting the sideways to finish with Sawyer helping Kate escape again as in LAX (or something along those lines). Hey, maybe it will in a future episode? (doubtful though given the lack of episodes left) Would that have been a good thing? I'm not too sure, but at least it would be consistent. But then is the discrepancy between these 2 episodes more interesting? Again, not sure.

What if Sawyer was always a cop... pretending to be a conman... that's why it makes sense that he was LaFleur... and the sideways are just missing contextual pieces of the original story...? i.e. perhaps we will discover why Kate was in Australia.

If that's true, then I fear David Shephard might not be long lived.