Seriously, after last night, who else is ready to walk away from this show out of disgust before we're completely let down. From start to finish, it was over done, predictable and full of "WTF are they thinking" moments. I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending, and we're just going to be left feeling like "that's it?" come the end of the series.

Look at what played out last night: we get a long reveal that Widmore is in the sub, even though we saw it a week before; we get the ridiculous and overly dramatic "we're taking a sub" ending that in no way deserved the punch they gave it; it couldn't have been more obvious that Zoe wasn't on the plane; it just feels lazy.

I've been a fan of this board for 5 years posting occasional thoughts and theories, but after these over-hyped previews with "the voice" insisting answers will be given, people will meet their ends, and scenes so "SHOCKING" we can't even show them, when are they going to deliver?

Anyone with me?

Not with you.

I'm in it for the long haul. The only thing I thought was kinda silly was the very end.

But I guess submarines are the new Hummers.

Hm. Surprising poll topic. I thought last night's episode was awesome, and that they keep getting better and better. I am hooked.

I thought it was really, really good. Hell, it's entertainment that's entertaining. The only thing I ever hated was knocking off Dogan and Lennon and Sayid turning into a borg zombie,

Still, it's been A LOT more fun than it's been not fun.

Why do you need an Army? LOL. Can't you walk out the door on your own?

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im staying put if people are tried of the show I doubt they would come to this forum because....why would you?

As far as the episode is concerned Widmore in the sub wasn't a shock don't think it was played out as a shock, the importance of the scene came from Widmore being revealed as a character who is against MIB even though Widmore said Locke needs to go back to the island etc etc

The whole "we're taking the sub" wasn't shocking because they are simply going to take the sub BUT the fact Sawyer is playing out a long con and is in business for himself...and possibly kate.

I'm with everyone else - definitely in it for the long haul. Plus, I really enjoyed Recon. I thought it was a very strong episode.

Im just confused as to why people put so much stock into previews for next week. :confused:

Every year ABC puts out promos that either promise "every answer being revealed" or that "someone will die will".

IGNORE THE PROMOS.

They're not put out by Darlton. They're made by ABC so people will tune in next week. That's all.

I mean if you look at every season they climax very similiar to each other. The first third of any season starts out slow, all the threads are put into place. And usually all out losties are seperated from eachother. The middle is were all the threads start coming together, any groups that were separated are now reunited, and answers start to surface. The middle is also were the main conflict starts to become clear. And of course the final third is the intense build to what the final tapestry looks like and any relevant questions become answers.

So anyone looking for answers when there's still over half the season left must be watching a different show than I am.

"I'm leaving! Who's with me!? Oh..like, no one...***Mod Edit***." You and a handful at best want to leave so close to the end. Not sure what was so deplorable about this episode. We're building towards an epic finale, that's all I know. Anyway, as someone above me already said, why do you need an army...just walk out the door.

Good, I hope this becomes a duplicate of the "Didn't Love It" thread, because I have replies to all of them that I'm not allowed to post there.

I won't deny that the writing has gotten sloppier. But it's still an entertaining story, I stil love the characters, and I'm still curious where it's going. Walk away? Really? Shouldn't you have done that after "Stranger in a Strange Land" or "Expose"?

Like someone said above, why do you need an army? Stop watching. Whether zero, one, or thousands stop watching, all but the finale have been written, and all but one or two episodes are in the can. The only thing you'll change by leaving now is your own experience. So own that and stop looking for validation. If it's a waste of your time, stop it now.

Seriously...it's getting old. If it's not for you, please, by all means walk away. And if it's so bad that you feel one hour of your life is wasted per episode, why come here and waste more of your time? Don't let the door hit ya! I personally thought this was a GREAT episode. We got to go back over a lot of old ground, got quite a bit of new information and some extremely tantalizing new questions. Classic Lost in my book. Not to mention, the sideways was again an entertaining alternative look at yet another complex character.

I come at Lost as an answer guy myself. I got into Lost at a very opportune time. I didn't follow the show at all, and during the mini hiatus of the third season, Galactica was on one of it's REALLY long breaks. I'm generally not too much of a TV fan, though the writing has drawn me in to certain shows over the last several years. During that time, there wasn't much else that I was interested in so I thought I'd give Lost a shot and see what the hell it was that people were still watching it. The only footage I ever saw was I turned on the TV during the premier and saw Jack, Kate, and Charlie running around in the jungle with apparently nothing happening but them freaking out. Whatever, I said and changed the channel.

I'd watched the show a couple episodes here and there and then go do something else. Locke interested me greatly, but I was completely pulled in by the show until the hatch. Once Locke and Boone found that thing I absolutely had to know what was in the hatch. At that point I became an answer man, a man of science for sure, but thanks to Locke, also a man of faith. I agreed that something brought them there for a reason, and I was behind Locke every step of the way. Once I got to season 2 I was completely hooked on the show.

Watching it the way I did, I didn't have to go through the pains a lot of fans did of having to wait through incredibly long hiatuses with such big questions hanging, but having been here from ep 3x07 (yumm...Juliet.), I can understand the frustration of not having the answers fast enough, especially coming through seasons 3, 4, and 5 in real time. However, last nights episode, which I just now finished watching, was a marked change for me. Over the last few weeks I've been in the vocal group telling people to chill out, answers are coming, and I still feel this way, but last night, I really enjoyed the character side of things a lot more. Maybe it's just because Sawyer is one of the more well-written characters, maybe because Charlotte is so freaking hot, especially off island, or maybe it's just because Widmore is back in the game, but I didn't really care that we didn't get much in the way of explicit answers last night, although we did.

This show has always been a show that has REQUIRED viewers to go beyond the boundaries of the show to understand what is going on. Not the minutiae that us crazies go into, but you have to at least be able to take varying bits of information sprinkled throughout the show and make conclusions from them. And they are giving us a lot more of this every episode. If you aren't picking up on it, maybe it is time for NCIS. Nice, explicit, and wrapped up every episode with a play by play so you don't miss a thing.

And how many different ways to how many different people have to say it: ABC DOES THE PROMOTING, TPTB have nothing to do with it. Good lord some people are dense.

I can understand what the OP is saying. I am somewhere between 'Staying put' and 'lacing up my shoes'

I will continue watching until the end, but I did find myself going onto TMZ and Perez last night, which I never do during Lost.

It comes down to people having a sense of urgency and anziety about which mysteries are going to be answered. But, in the end, there are going to be disappointed people because differenty people assign different values to different questions.

I want to know about Adam and Eve, and the history of the Others, and what the hell is up with the island...if I don't get those answers I will be disappointed. Some people could care less about those things and want to know about Libby's backstory, or the numbers, or Walt. If those mysteries don't get solved, I won't care. However, it is natural that people are starting to feel anxiety and apprehension that the questions they want answered wont get answered.

Sundown was the only one about which I ever complained. But maybe my distaste for Gordon Lightfoot played a part in that.

The "Good Wife?" I was thinking of "The Big Bang Theory"...

My point was not to say I need or want an army as a few of you have so eloquently put it, but to point out that their direction is off-putting. I know I'm not alone on this, and in fact, I love the response that those promos are put out by ABC! We've all seen how often has a network done it's best to screw up a successful show (how about the Tonight Show for example?).

I just wanted to float the idea after last night that there's more people becoming increasingly disappointed, and in my opinion, disappointed falls under a different category than love it/hate it. Of course I love the series, I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Gotta go, there's a few seasons of "Two and a Half Men" I need to catch up on!

This is getting so funny. Most people just complain, but this is really what I am hearing from all the negative people on the forum. "Please, please dislike the show with me. I'm really lonely trying to nitpick every negative thing about this show I loved for so long."

And it is scary how similar it is to the situation on the island with MIB trying to convince everyone else why Jacob has been wrong the whole time and why the should leave the island (leave the show).

Anyone who hasn't seen it should check out my thread for "Lost is a Metaphor for the Fuselage" and they are mirroring each other more than ever.

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=120864

If people are going to be excessively negative, we should just be excessively positive. This is one of the most positive ones I have read in a while. Glad I'm not the only one concentrating on the positive rather than the negative.

Really though, I enjoyed the episode last night. When Sawyer picked up Kate's dress, it was weird I could feel the feelings he had for Kate come rushing back. It seemed very realistic to me for some reason and I could care less about their relationship.

No matter how much he wanted to push her away, he did love her once and you cant exactly control your emotions like that.

Seriously, after last night, who else is ready to walk away from this show out of disgust before we're completely let down. From start to finish, it was over done, predictable and full of "WTF are they thinking" moments. I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending, and we're just going to be left feeling like "that's it?" come the end of the series.

Look at what played out last night: we get a long reveal that Widmore is in the sub, even though we saw it a week before; we get the ridiculous and overly dramatic "we're taking a sub" ending that in no way deserved the punch they gave it; it couldn't have been more obvious that Zoe wasn't on the plane; it just feels lazy.

I've been a fan of this board for 5 years posting occasional thoughts and theories, but after these over-hyped previews with "the voice" insisting answers will be given, people will meet their ends, and scenes so "SHOCKING" we can't even show them, when are they going to deliver?

Anyone with me?

Walk away please. We've been with this show for 5 years now, and you don't want to watch the last 10 hours? I don't believe you. I think you just want to complain, and I understand that, I understand you're not satisfied yet, but instead of trying to incite further annoyance towards a show that has given us a lot of incredible hours, simply sit it out and have some faith that they may still give you what you want.

I'll open the door for you...

Last nights episode was shockingly bad, in my opinion. The writing on the show has became very lazy, and the characters are no longer the same people that they were for 5 seasons. Only the outstanding acting abilities of a few actors such as Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson are saving the show from complete meltdown.

Having said all of that, I enjoyed this show for five seasons, and I want to see how it all ends. I will be staying till the end and hoping for a decent ending to the show.

Since I've never seen a promo. Not one. I suppose I can enjoy the show more than those who have.

I'm waiting to find a post inviting people to join a class action law suit that attempts to bring legal action for not providing the promised answers and other stuff believed to be owed to a variety of viewers by the creative team. Actually, there will likely be a group that will ban the word creative saying they didn't live up to the expectations that tv viewers had. I have a comment about walking away from the show: rather than posting about it..
simply change the channel.
Know your audience. this is a message board for a tv show that people actively watch. in sickness and in health. in good episodes and bad. when you decide that you are no longer going to watch it. simply change the channel. no need to post on a fan board. after declaring that i am no longer watching a show, my input on a message board about that show is certainly unwarranted - as is my statement that i'm no longer watching.

... I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending ... I'm fairly confident that you will not be satisfied by the ending.

I'm waiting to find a post inviting people to join a class action law suit that attempts to bring legal action for not providing the promised answers and other stuff believed to be owed to a variety of viewers by the creative team. Actually, there will likely be a group that will ban the word creative saying they didn't live up to the expectations that tv viewers had. I have a comment about walking away from the show: rather than posting about it..
simply change the channel.
Know your audience. this is a message board for a tv show that people actively watch. in sickness and in health. in good episodes and bad. when you decide that you are no longer going to watch it. simply change the channel. no need to post on a fan board. after declaring that i am no longer watching a show, my input on a message board about that show is certainly unwarranted - as is my statement that i'm no longer watching.

I don't understand this attitude if I'm being honest. There are plenty of people on this forum who loved the show for 5 seasons, who have contributed to thousands of posts in the past, who are not enjoying the show this season and they are concerned that there will be plenty of unanswered questions. On top of that, they are frustrated at the pacing of this final season, the script and the way certain characters have been behaving.

What is the problem with people coming on here and venting their frustrations? Why can't we have a constructive discussion, as fans of the show, about some of things which people are disappointed with? It doesn't have to be black and white, where you're either a die hard fan of the show who will hear no criticism, or a Lost hater who is unwilling to accept that there have been plenty of good episodes in the last few years.

We're all allowed opinions, and we're all allowed to discuss them here on this forum as long as they are relevant to the topic.

I don't understand this attitude if I'm being honest. There are plenty of people on this forum who loved the show for 5 seasons, who have contributed to thousands of posts in the past, who are not enjoying the show this season and they are concerned that there will be plenty of unanswered questions. On top of that, they are frustrated at the pacing of this final season, the script and the way certain characters have been behaving.

What is the problem with people coming on here and venting their frustrations? Why can't we have a constructive discussion, as fans of the show, about some of things which people are disappointed with? It doesn't have to be black and white, where you're either a die hard fan of the show who will hear no criticism, or a Lost hater who is unwilling to accept that there have been plenty of good episodes in the last few years.

We're all allowed opinions, and we're all allowed to discuss them here on this forum as long as they are relevant to the topic.


Very well said. People are allowed to have dissenting opinions. I will take it one step further and say that people's frustrations are a direct result of their fandom and love of this show. People do not get fired up over something that they don't care about.

Seriously, after last night, who else is ready to walk away from this show out of disgust before we're completely let down. From start to finish, it was over done, predictable and full of "WTF are they thinking" moments. I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending, and we're just going to be left feeling like "that's it?" come the end of the series.

Look at what played out last night: we get a long reveal that Widmore is in the sub, even though we saw it a week before; we get the ridiculous and overly dramatic "we're taking a sub" ending that in no way deserved the punch they gave it; it couldn't have been more obvious that Zoe wasn't on the plane; it just feels lazy.

I've been a fan of this board for 5 years posting occasional thoughts and theories, but after these over-hyped previews with "the voice" insisting answers will be given, people will meet their ends, and scenes so "SHOCKING" we can't even show them, when are they going to deliver?

Anyone with me?



I understand your frustration but could have easily predicted the outraged replies to your post...



Why do you need an Army? LOL. Can't you walk out the door on your own?



We're building towards an epic finale, that's all I know. Anyway, as someone above me already said, why do you need an army...just walk out the door.



Like someone said above, why do you need an army? Stop watching. Whether zero, one, or thousands stop watching, all but the finale have been written, and all but one or two episodes are in the can. The only thing you'll change by leaving now is your own experience. So own that and stop looking for validation. If it's a waste of your time, stop it now.



Seriously...it's getting old. If it's not for you, please, by all means walk away.



This is getting so funny. Most people just complain, but this is really what I am hearing from all the negative people on the forum. "Please, please dislike the show with me. I'm really lonely trying to nitpick every negative thing about this show I loved for so long."




Walk away please.


I'll open the door for you...


I have a comment about walking away from the show: rather than posting about it..
simply change the channel.

I don't understand this attitude if I'm being honest. There are plenty of people on this forum who loved the show for 5 seasons, who have contributed to thousands of posts in the past, who are not enjoying the show this season and they are concerned that there will be plenty of unanswered questions. On top of that, they are frustrated at the pacing of this final season, the script and the way certain characters have been behaving.

What is the problem with people coming on here and venting their frustrations? Why can't we have a constructive discussion, as fans of the show, about some of things which people are disappointed with? It doesn't have to be black and white, where you're either a die hard fan of the show who will hear no criticism, or a Lost hater who is unwilling to accept that there have been plenty of good episodes in the last few years.

We're all allowed opinions, and we're all allowed to discuss them here on this forum as long as they are relevant to the topic.
This thread isn't simply about disappointment, it's about giving up completely. And the response has been, "Then go ahead, it won't change anything". Which is true, is it not? The episodes are 90% written and filmed. Complaints are valid, but there's already a sticky thread for them, one in which no one is allowed to retort. Has the show gotten so bad for some people that multiple threads about how bad it is are needed?

Good point Molly, like I often say it takes passion to hate. I'll agree that last nights episode was a little flat, especially the "reveal" of Widmore in the sub, but you have to trust the writers of the show, most of us have spent six seasons and six years watching this show, that is way too much time invested to walk away now. I really feel like it will be worth it in the end. Not every spisode can be an emmy contender some episode are just going to be a little lame, with only 8 left it's safe to assume we will not have another lame duck episode. Especially not next weeks.

I understand your frustration but could have easily predicted the outraged replies to your post...
I fail to see how "Walk away" is an "outraged reply" to "I'm ready to walk away".

You stuck around after "What Kate Does" and are bailing after "Recon"? That's weird.

Man, I can't even imagine the amount of negative posts we are gonna get right after the finale....

The show's ending is NOT gonna please everybody....

How many times do we have to do this?

Answer the question. Yes/No. Leave the snarking outside. It's going to take awhile since the system is slow. Since the OP opened the door to "quit watching" I'm going to
fix some of my edits.

It is both shocking and predictable that people fail to discuss the point I raised and instead start huffing and puffing as Colin72 put it about how I should just "go away."

Why not abandon the reputation of message boards as some of the responses have, and have an actual back and forth about the points I raised? My point of this discussion was not to appear to pout and stomp feet in anger. If anything, it's the opposite!

Let me be clear; what i was saying was that I'm considering, like others, walking away now because I love the show and because I DON'T NEED ANSWERS. I'm not suggesting that they're doing a disservice to their fans by not answering questions, only that they might be letting people down by their storytelling at this point. There are more then a few fans who might rather just say, "I'm stopping here. I don't want to be disappointed. Lost will always be what it has been up to now."

If you disagree, I think that's fantastic! Just as you should think my/our opinion is equally valid.

Why would I leave? I think people are enjoying this season more than the naysayers think. All I can say is I'm staying and if you're leaving "bye."

It is both shocking and predictable that people fail to discuss the point I raised and instead start huffing and puffing as Colin72 put it about how I should just "go away."

Why not abandon the reputation of message boards as some of the responses have, and have an actual back and forth about the points I raised? My point of this discussion was not to appear to pout and stomp feet in anger. If anything, it's the opposite!

Let me be clear; what i was saying was that I'm considering, like others, walking away now because I love the show and because I DON'T NEED ANSWERS. I'm not suggesting that they're doing a disservice to their fans by not answering questions, only that they might be letting people down by their storytelling at this point. There are more then a few fans who might rather just say, "I'm stopping here. I don't want to be disappointed. Lost will always be what it has been up to now."

If you disagree, I think that's fantastic! Just as you should think my/our opinion is equally valid.
I've heard a lot of friends say that they prefer to wait until this season is over, and then watch all of it at once on DVD. Being so close to the end, it is a bit like pulling teeth.
This show has given us a lot of fun over the last 5 years and I see where you are coming from. It's hard to invest in an inevitable divorce, if you are looking at it that way..

Not walking away. Certainly not after THIS episode, which I thought was beautifully crafted for one of the show's best characters. It felt like a love letter to Sawyer and his fans, and to Josh who has done SO much to imbue this character with heart. Sawyer has only had 6 centrics, so I think giving this one their attention was totally earned. So many little echoes of his past episodes - I found them all delightful. Somebody paid a lot of attention even to the way scenes were set up, from him and Miles talking in the car to his and Kate's position by the fire. Even little details, like him having a personal mug at work... just like the one he broke belonging to that Australian detective. Hee! We got a delicious glimpse of Sawyer's Alt reality life, his wonderful friendship with Miles that duplicates their on-island one - first time we've seen that in the Alt. And best of all, his decision to give that binder to Miles and surrender the vengeance vendetta that had been weighing him down... strictly by choice.

And on the island, he's in full on protector mode again... trying to con the megalomaniacs so that he and the people he cares about can get away. And he and Kate have teamed up again. And he's giving her hope and making her smile again (just like he did back in the cages) which is a relief because that girl was looking way too sad all by herself in the middle of all those crazies. I LOVED this episode!

The island mysteries have been unfolding, and I believe they will continue to do so. However, I don't think that sitting there impatiently with a checklist is the best way to enjoy this particular season. It's not just about the destination. Enjoy the ride. JMO, of course.

You stuck around after "What Kate Does" and are bailing after "Recon"? That's weird.
Not at all. I think we can all figure out why Recon was the straw that broke the camel's back. In a word, well three: Too darn Skatey.

I'm a shipper but that is not the only reason I watch Lost, I'd had never even heard the word before I came on line here.

The story belongs to the creators, we're just along for the ride. If you get on Space Mountain and don't like the experience; you don't get to demand that Disney World re-designs the roller coaster to suit you and they probably won't give you your money back either. You have to suck it up and find a ride you do enjoy -- or leave the park.

"WTF are they thinking" moments. I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending, and we're just going to be left feeling like "that's it?" come the end of the series.



I agree. For me, LOST is just another tv show that got me hooked and is starting to fall apart as it's stumbling to some sort of resolution.

Assume nothing. Fear not. Let the story be told. Put your shoes back on and whatever you do, don't change the channel! Here's why.

We already know that they can't possibly answer everything. No author can, whether of a book or movie or TV show. Especially this show, which messes with our minds, our preconceptions, our understanding of what we think is going on. It has done this from the very beginning. My siblings were experiencing what you were several years ago. They wanted answers. I loved the show and wanted them to keep watching, so I told them, "Answers are for wimps. Give me more questions!" And then I started to enjoy how every answer came with five more questions. And then I started to enjoy the way the promos messed with my expectations. So when we saw a promo back in season two that showed Jin saying "Have a cluckety-cluck day, Hugo" (or something like that), and we spent a week wondering if Jin really spoke English, and it turned out that scene appeared in Hurley's dream-- I just had to laugh at myself for falling for the promo!

Books and movies don't always end the way we want them to. How many of us have fantasized a different ending to "Gone With the Wind?" But it is the author's right to tell the story the way he/she wants. We're along for the ride. I'm wishing I had turned the TV off before the horrible scene at the end of Se7en; there's a couple of books I wish I hadn't finished because they didn't end satisfactorily and I felt like the reading was a waste of time. Given how many movies I've watched and books I've read, it really is a miniscule amount that turned out to be not worth the time.

My story's kind of a reverse of yours; I don't want to waste the effort on fluff. I was 18 when "Star Wars" came out in 1977, and my older brother saw it 14 times, and I never went. I was "above it all." If the whole world liked it, how good could it be? Then in college, my closest friends insisted I come with them to see "The Empire Strikes Back" on the day it opened. They insisted! I went, and the opening crawl appeared on the screen, and the camera panned down to --- I was hooked, and saw the remaining Star Wars sequels and prequels on the day they were released. Why? Because George Lucas tells an entertaining story!

I love LOST. I'm not sitting comfortably: I'm glued to the TV screen, on the edge of my seat, reveling in TV that will probably never be this good, this riveting, this compelling, ever again.

Don't be afraid of being let down. If it turns out that we all are -- and I doubt it, they are very good storytellers -- you won't want to have missed it.

Oh, wait, I misread your initial post. The long reveal about Widmore in the sub: did you remember that Sawyer has never met Widmore? Did you not remember that Locke likes to blow up submarines? How is Sawyer going to get Widmore out of the sub? There is a war coming, all right. And Sawyer's a wild card. Ba dum bum. Crash. It's overly dramatic? What about this show isn't? Are you watching the same show as I am? You're afraid of being let down? Welcome to the human race. Relax, these people have already proven they know how to tell a good, compelling story, and how to deliver incredible moments that make us actually feel something.

Sit down, you're blocking the screen.

I guess it speaks to the show's strengths to see people so react so passionately to a piece of entertainment. I haven't seen such a rabid fan base this vehement about plot points since the Star Wars prequels (and those were rightfully protested).

It's one thing to be someone like my mom who says, "I've lost interest. Not for me". It's another thing to come onto a Lost fan forum and place something (i.e. a poll) that will very obviously elicit a response. It would be interesting to see a case study conducted by sociologists studying the behavior and mentality of the average fan boy, because this kind of action suggests ulterior motives other than just friendly discussion.

Lastly, much of the negative discussion I've seen on this forum reminds me of my favorite Star Wars: Episode I review. It basically rips apart the movie for not encompassing the qualities that make up a good story (everything that I think Lost has been doing right since late in the third season). I'll post up the link. It's pretty funny and I think everybody needs a chill pill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Ain't no way in hell I'd bail now. After 5 years, walking away when a mere handful of episodes are left seems... inconceivable, to me anyway.

And, I liked this one. JH was fantastic; Flocke was amazing and God, I nearly fell out of my chair when he slapped poor little Claire. Shocked me, that.


Kate's reaction to Claire'smeltdown was perfect too: here she was, raising the woman's kid, only to almost get killed. EL protrayed the shock pretty well, and what's not to like wrt great acting?

I also liked how consistently Puff's been offering everyone exactly what they want most: in Kate's case, seemed to be the chance to raise Aaron for good. Perhaps premature, but seemed she rejected it, the way she hugged Claire (loved that moment!)

And perhaps off topic, I'm a fan of Sawyer and Juliet, but I admit freely that this one was pro Skate. Definitely emphasized these two and their connection, and so what? I enjoyed the fireside chat: vintage!

And hell, if the PTB can set up Skate plausibly from here on out (as they look to be doing), I can live with it. I guess shipping's always been low priority for me, maybe that's why I can see what's happening and be okay with it. Suliet had their time, and it was good. If Skate is done in a believable manner (and let's face it, they have genuine history to draw on), I'll be cool with it. It's part of the show, par for the course.

What I want most of all is an emotionally satisfying resolution for all the main characters: the original 815ers and Ben. Moments like the Kate Claire connect and hug. Please, more of this!
If they can squeeze in a happy glimpse of Jules in the alt (with Sawyer or sans) I'll be happy. But sad or optimistic, I want each character to get their due.

Which is why I hate the split; please, have all these characters interact meaningfully before they bite it!

Dez, ain't I gracious in defeat? ;) :D

I'm not about to walk away this close to the finish line.
I WAS very disapointed last night, 'cause it felt like a filler episode, which seems to me a waste of precious time, now that were in the home stretch.
We've reached a point in the series where it's time to finally stop creating new questions ( why was Charlotte snooping through Sawyer's things, for one) and start answering the big ones!
"Dr Linus" was the 1st truely great episode of the season, and I have very high expectations for next week's Richard backstory.
I think at this point, we, the fans who've been loyal from the begining, should be able to expect all of the remaining episodes to be great.

LOL you guys. Watching a show for 5 years and then quit 10 episodes before the finale because... you don't want to know the ending??? It's like reading Agatha Christie and stop right when Miss Marple gathers around all the characters for the final revealing. Just silly. And cowardly if you ask me. There's no need for dramatic farewell of those of the faint-hearted.

1. You know, it's just a tv show.
2. A GREAT tv show.

And to answer your question, not even MIBs army could stop me to watch at this point :D

And perhaps off topic, I'm a fan of Sawyer and Juliet, but I admit freely that this one was pro Skate. Definitely emphasized these two and their connection, and so what? I enjoyed the fireside chat: vintage!

And hell, if the PTB can set up Skate plausibly from here on out (as they look to be doing), I can live with it. I guess shipping's always been low priority for me, maybe that's why I can see what's happening and be okay with it. Suliet had their time, and it was good. If Skate is done in a believable manner (and let's face it, they have genuine history to draw on), I'll be cool with it. It's part of the show, par for the course.

Dez, ain't I gracious in defeat? ;) :D
I'd say more than gracious; you are downright generous! :love0072:
I love the way they set up the reconnect for Sawyer and Kate. Him visiting the Hydra cages and sitting down to have a think, probably remembering all they'd been through together. Of course, he cares for all his friends and he's working to get them all away safely, but he and Kate had a special bond between them. So they brought it full circle to the scene by the fire, with him planning their escape and giving Kate hope and making her smile. Just like back in the cages. I thought that was a great place to pick things up. :biggrin:

What I want most of all is an emotionally satisfying resolution for all the main characters: the original 815ers and Ben. Moments like the Kate Claire connect and hug. Please, more of this!
If they can squeeze in a happy glimpse of Jules in the alt (with Sawyer or sans) I'll be happy. But sad or optimistic, I want each character to get their due.

Which is why I hate the split; please, have all these characters interact meaningfully before they bite it!
I'm glad you enjoyed the episode too; it had so many wonderful character moments in it. Jin and Sawyer, Claire and Kate were among my favorites. Like you, what I want most is for these characters I love to interact meaningfully, and I dearly hope for an emotionally satisfying resolution for them too.

So relieved that Sawyers last centric turned out to be such a good one.

And to be on topic, NO, still not thinking about leaving.

I'm wishing I had turned the TV off before the horrible scene at the end of Se7en

That in a nutshell explains the difference between those fans of LOST that are just enjoying the ride and those of us that are expecting a final resolution. The horrible scene at the end of Se7en is what made the movie great...without it I would have felt cheated. Clearly the entire movie was structured around that final scene, and I'm hoping Lost will have a similar ending that makes sense of everything that came before it. Trouble is that because of the inconsistencies pointed out by the OP, I'm having a lot of doubts.

While this wasn't my favorite episdoe (and that really bums me out), I can see that it's a set-up episode and we still need those. We needed to know that Flocke and Widmore are involved in some way. I, personally, think they're working together somehow. We needed some resolution to Claire "I'm gonna kill you" look at Kate. We needed Kate's breakdown. For some reason, we need to know that James knows that Flocke is Smokey! It was a set-up episode with a nice SF although I thought the sex scene with Charlotte was weird and didn't get her indignation about being caught snoopin' in his stuff and her attitude afterwards. At any rate, there's no way I'm bailing at this point! I love the characters still and want to know more about what's going to happen.

Not me. I have zero reason to.

I don't understand this attitude if I'm being honest. There are plenty of people on this forum who loved the show for 5 seasons, who have contributed to thousands of posts in the past, who are not enjoying the show this season and they are concerned that there will be plenty of unanswered questions. On top of that, they are frustrated at the pacing of this final season, the script and the way certain characters have been behaving.

What is the problem with people coming on here and venting their frustrations? Why can't we have a constructive discussion, as fans of the show, about some of things which people are disappointed with? It doesn't have to be black and white, where you're either a die hard fan of the show who will hear no criticism, or a Lost hater who is unwilling to accept that there have been plenty of good episodes in the last few years.

We're all allowed opinions, and we're all allowed to discuss them here on this forum as long as they are relevant to the topic.

My point is about those who are saying that they are getting ready to or walking away from the show.. in other words.. no longer going to watch it. In no way would i ever say that those of us that watch the show and have gripes and concerns should not voice or discuss them! Not really sure at what point in my OP that wasn't fairly clear. But let me then clarify: I am speaking solely about those that come here to say they're never watching again. To that.. I say simply change the channel and go elsewhere. The rest of us.. who watch despite having complaints and concerns.. can voice or dis-satisfaction and satisfaction. It's like posting in a thread you haven't read.. no point in posting you're not watching the thing that we're discussing

Guinevere, I like the idea of W and Flocke working together, sort of a long con of its own. I would've liked more of a reaction from Sawyer about Flocke being Smokey, but with everything he's seen and been through, it make sense he would just accept it.

Dez, hugs! Nice to know we can get along so, ya know? What can I say? I'm a realist! Btw, nice bit about him making her feel safe; he did that admirably during S3, after all.

But I'm not happy with what they're doing with Jin and Sun. One note, superfluous, crammed in for the sake of it. Waste of such good actors and such a great storyline!@@!

It just seems like both are watered down, cardboard versions of themselves lately.

Preview for next week had a shot of Sun grasping Jack's hand, and him smiling at her so sweetly.

That's the kind of stuff I love, character moments. We deserve that, after everything these people have been through!

So am still hopeful and hell, I still love Jack the mostest! :D

I'm irritated, but at this point I'm sticking with the show until the end. Hey, at least Sawyer and Miles lead interesting lives in the sideways, unlike the rest of the characters.

It is both shocking and predictable that people fail to discuss the point I raised and instead start huffing and puffing as Colin72 put it about how I should just "go away."

Why not abandon the reputation of message boards as some of the responses have, and have an actual back and forth about the points I raised? My point of this discussion was not to appear to pout and stomp feet in anger. If anything, it's the opposite!

Let me be clear; what i was saying was that I'm considering, like others, walking away now because I love the show and because I DON'T NEED ANSWERS. I'm not suggesting that they're doing a disservice to their fans by not answering questions, only that they might be letting people down by their storytelling at this point. There are more then a few fans who might rather just say, "I'm stopping here. I don't want to be disappointed. Lost will always be what it has been up to now."

If you disagree, I think that's fantastic! Just as you should think my/our opinion is equally valid.



You have an interesting take on this... to stop watching and preserve your view of the show instead watching and risk being disappointed.

I'll watch until the end. There is nothing they can do to make up for a lot of my criticisms. Nothing is going to make the idiotic way the characters behave OK. Nothing is going to erase the memory of the cliched plot lines, cheesey Lifetime movie scenarios, and hacky dialogue. Nothing is going to change the fact that I'm bored by the Flash Sideways while watching them. I can only hope they'll resolve the story in some satisfying way.

If you do quit watching, maybe you'll come back to it later when you don't care as much. That way, if you are disappointed, maybe it won't be so bad.



By the way, on the topic of fans' not watching and going away:

"ABC’s Lost fell yet again, down 10% from last week to a season low, and tied for a regular episode series low, 3.8 adults 18-49 rating."


Overall viewers (in millions)- Recon was the third lowest watched episode ever (down 4.2 million from the 6th season premiere and 2 million from the 2nd episode):

9.053 - Recon
9.037 -The Variable
8.703 - Follow the Leader


So you're not the only fan thinking about giving up late in the game. Many already have.

does it matter? The show's going to conclude as planned...

Doubt it will impact Darlton negatively either; the sheer media buzz and cult like status of the show seems enough to guarantee them endless payback, regardless of the ultimate ending. Networks will be wanting to cash in, I'm thinking.

But let me then clarify: I am speaking solely about those that come here to say they're never watching again. To that.. I say simply change the channel and go elsewhere.

Why say anything to fans who say they're never watching again? I'm fine with letting them say what they want and not watch. I guess somehow it doesn't bother me.

I walked away from the show long time ago emotionally. Now I'm just watching it to get the answers.

Ummm, no surprise here, but to be concisely answering your question, NO, NOT ME...NO...FREAKIN'...WAY. Never walkin' away. I'm all in.

It's brilliant that this amazing show can inspire such passion - THAT I just love.

To quote Sally Field, it's always and forever "the people, the people, THE PEOPLE"...and these people on the Lost screen are my heroes. And ya know what, I'm not leaving THEM, and THEY haven't let me down. And just to be clear, nor has anybody NOT on camera.

Those who impose their expectations and "maps" (as they say in sociology) on the creation of others are doomed to disappointment, because it's not in their control. And nothing any of us say who are on the positive side can convince. I'll only say again that we've been given all we need along the way, and the fact that Lost can refrain from a frenzied sprint to the finish because it's so secure in what's to come...that is OUTSTANDING.

All ye who are sitting with expectations and criteria - I can only say to you two things, one you may hate me for and one you'll hopefully like:

1. Please realize it's impossible to satisfy the kind of expectations and criteria you're harboring - you're not at the helm of this ship.

2. I feel it - PLEASE STAY, be with us, try and stick around - because with every fibre of my being I think we're in for something beyond incredible. I love you, I love your PASSION.

And Sam - truly, I hope I'm not being snarky, I hear you - but you must expect nerves to be struck, and I'm just passionate, too. And thank you all you're doing! :D

Now...what I wanna know is when the hell they show the reality where I'm Desmond's girl, huh? ;) :biggrin:

Ok, hittin' the post button and taking a huge breath...

Anyone with me?
not me, sorry

"ABC’s Lost fell yet again, down 10% from last week to a season low, and tied for a regular episode series low, 3.8 adults 18-49 rating."


Overall viewers (in millions)- Recon was the third lowest watched episode ever (down 4.2 million from the 6th season premiere and 2 million from the 2nd episode):

9.053 - Recon
9.037 -The Variable
8.703 - Follow the Leader


So you're not the only fan thinking about giving up late in the game. Many already have.

I don't think these numbers prove anything. The Variable and Follow the Leader are great episodes. Plus, they hardly make a trend, since ratings have been up and down since those episodes aired.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20100317abc01

ABC's "Lost" jumped from its lead-in by 4.9 million viewers (8.8 million vs. 3.9 million) and by 217% in young adults (3.8/10 vs. 1.2/4) and grew its audience throughout its broadcast.

"Lost" Ranks Among TV's Top Gainers in DVR Playback This Season, Surging by 2.2 Million Viewers and by 1.1 Adult 18-49 Rating Points Over its First-Reported Numbers

Where's the option "LOST is as great as it has always been & I am glued to my television every week."?

At this point, I simply cannot walk away from the show because of the immense amount of time I've invested in it. Even if the finale winds up being a crap chute, I need to see it through.

Also, if What Kate Did and Lighthouse didn't cause me to turn away, then Recon certainly did not.

That said, my feeling for the show has definitely changed from "I can't wait to see what's going to happen" to "I can't wait for this to be over with so I can move on from this point in my life."

Although if they manage to screw up next week's episode about Richard's history, I think I will be severely angry. Above all others, that episode needs to be done very well. By nature it is going to deal directly with the Island's mythology, which is a pretty sacred thing to mess with. If they manage to botch it or toss in some bad continuity errors, I can say with certainty that the finale is going to be complete garbage.

Week after week we have to deal with thread after thread of negative junk just because of this flash sideways business. It's part of the story. It must be. Patience. Faith. Just go with it.


Or...


Bail. Wait and see what the reviews are. If it turns out to be crap, you can claim to have been wise to it early and got out ahead of time, unlike all the "fanboi fools". If it turns out to be good, you can catch up and watch it for yourself in a back-to-back fashion without having to wait a week for each installment. Win-Win, no?

I'm not about to walk away this close to the finish line.
I WAS very disapointed last night, 'cause it felt like a filler episode, which seems to me a waste of precious time, now that were in the home stretch.
We've reached a point in the series where it's time to finally stop creating new questions ( why was Charlotte snooping through Sawyer's things, for one) and start answering the big ones!
"Dr Linus" was the 1st truely great episode of the season, and I have very high expectations for next week's Richard backstory.I think at this point, we, the fans who've been loyal from the begining, should be able to expect all of the remaining episodes to be great.

***Mod edited*** She asks for a T-shirt, Sawyer says there's one over there, and she starts looking in the drawer for it when she stumbles upon the photo of young Sawyer and his parents and the newspaper article about the murder/suicide. These types of things are not "questions" that relate to the show. ***Mod edited***

Where's the option "LOST is as great as it has always been & I am glued to my television every week."?

THIS. The only thing I would consider walking away from would be The Fuselage, out of fear of subtle spoiler infiltrators (seemed to be a lot of people pretty sure Sawyer was a cop when we saw him on the airplane somehow, hopefully a coincidence) and of negativity overtaking the board, BUT seeing the overwhelming goodness being expressed in this thread and most others, I re-affirm allegiance to the show and the 'lage.

On second thought, the idea of walking away from a piece of art to keep what you love about it intact is actually sort of romantic in a way. Particularly, for a show like Lost, where mystery is what makes it so beautiful, not the answers or the conclusion. Sort of like how some people think people are more beautiful clothed in some situations with the combination of reveal and mystery.

I would never be able to do it, but to keep possibilities open is interesting. I think Jacob would approve. I realize that OP wants to leave because he is afraid it won't turn out well, but this is an intriguing concept to me.

I don't think these numbers prove anything. The Variable and Follow the Leader are great episodes. Plus, they hardly make a trend, since ratings have been up and down since those episodes aired.


So somehow you thinking The Variable and Follow the Leader are great episodes makes the numbers wrong I guess. OK.



http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20100317abc01




It's always fun reading a press release by ABC... the network that airs Lost. "Jumping Over its Lead-in"...a repeat of Lost. "Building Throughout its Telecast"... completely normal. Lost also "Dominates" and is "Surging".


All irrelevant. The numbers I quoted previously are correct.

The whole "we're taking the sub" wasn't shocking because they are simply going to take the sub BUT the fact Sawyer is playing out a long con and is in business for himself...and possibly kate.

I agree. Was wondering if and when he would reveal his long con.

It's always fun reading a press release by ABC... the network that airs Lost. "Jumping Over its Lead-in"...a repeat of Lost. "Building Throughout its Telecast"... completely normal. Lost also "Dominates" and is "Surging".

All irrelevant. The numbers I quoted previously are correct.
You left out the context, however. Both AI and Biggest Losers ran two-hour episodes last night. Let's see the late viewing numbers before deciding your limited interpretation of the numbers is correct.

I agree. Was wondering if and when he would reveal his long con.


So what was Sawyer's long con?

Since he just found out about Widmore in this episode, decided to pit Locke against Widmore in this episode, and decided he was a submarine pilot in this episode... there was no long con.

Can we get back to the topic? Please.

Anyone that's walking away from the show because it supposedly hasn't delivered, setting aside the fact that the season is only half over, can do the rest of us a favor and walk away from the Fuselage as well. We get it. The final season isn't going as expected and you do not like it. But the negativity is oh so tiresome. Just makes me wonder how many viewers had any real faith in the show all these seasons.

The show doesn't have 16/17 episodes worth of answers and reveals. In fact, they could make an episode where all the actors stood on a stage and took turns reading all the secrets and answers from index cards and do it 30 minutes. No wait, 15 minutes. Maybe that's what some naysayers are wanting. If that's the case, then please, walk away from the show. Then after it's over, go visit wikipedia or lostpedia and get the cliff notes. You'll save yourself some unncessary stress.

Granted, I will admit the sawyer and kate episodes were both boring. And I hope there's more to Charlotte than just being some random blind date that went awry. The pacing seems a little clunky which can happen when a story gets to the end. You can see this in novels alot. Some authors overshoot their climax, so the last few chapters are a bunch of flibustering, stalling, and slow pacing.. Other authors undershoot, which results in a "climax avalance" where everything happens so fast, you felt like you've been smacked by the exposition hammer. And this is just a single writer who has full control over each chapter. Lost has a writing team, so these kind of symptoms aren't really that surprising.

Overall, if one's been paying attention to the overall flow, you can see the writers meticulously putting their pieces into play. Anyone from season 1 remember the backgammon thing and al the speculatino about the good side/bad side back then? Look what's happening now. It IS all coming togther.

The biggest test of faith is usually at the end where the payoff is right around the corner, but not exactly something that can be seen coming. Hang in there. The answers and the reveals are coming.

...I've been a fan of this board for 5 years posting occasional thoughts and theories...

By my count you've averaged 9 posts a season.


Just saying.

ETA: I voted Sitting Comfrotably and now the total is 108! Woohoo! I was 108!

Everytime I see someone complain about the promos, I have to sigh. This is not the only show that has misleading promos, they all do it in order to tempt more viewers to tune in.

LOST has been one of the biggest shows that ABC has ever aired, so of course they're going to push the tantalizing promos. Lots of people eat them up and love to be teased whether it's true to the story or not. Previews are usually shown out of context, so to speak, it's advertising!

Personally, I don't watch the promos/previews because of this, and I simply do not want to have anything spoiled. Ignorance is bliss as far as LOST goes IMHO.

You can't please everyone all the time, and I think it's sad that so many people feel the need to complain about something in every episode. It's a scripted TV show for goodness sake, not an Oscar contender!

I think, overall it's been an EXCELLENT form of free entertainment...what more could you ask for?

Oh, never mind, don't answer that question.:ohwell:

Not me, Ive got nothing but faith in this show. Also, I dont believe that anyone who is a true fan of LOST would just walk away and not finish the series, just the crybabies and people who are unhappy that the show is not going the way THEY think it should. Who are yall anyway?

Keep it coming season 6, I couldnt be more pleased.

Seriously, after last night, who else is ready to walk away from this show out of disgust before we're completely let down. From start to finish, it was over done, predictable and full of "WTF are they thinking" moments. I'm starting to feel like there's no way they can possibly give us a satisfying ending, and we're just going to be left feeling like "that's it?" come the end of the series.

Look at what played out last night: we get a long reveal that Widmore is in the sub, even though we saw it a week before; we get the ridiculous and overly dramatic "we're taking a sub" ending that in no way deserved the punch they gave it; it couldn't have been more obvious that Zoe wasn't on the plane; it just feels lazy.

I've been a fan of this board for 5 years posting occasional thoughts and theories, but after these over-hyped previews with "the voice" insisting answers will be given, people will meet their ends, and scenes so "SHOCKING" we can't even show them, when are they going to deliver?

Anyone with me?

Haha, hell no I'm not with you.

Your post and poll = FAIL.

Dude. Was last night the best episode ever? No. But it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. If you have an axe to grind (and you obviously do) that's why there's a "didn't like it" thread. Your thread adds no value to the forum.

I really enjoyed Recon.

Bye bye, OP.

Seriously, after last night, who else is ready to walk away from this show out of disgust before we're completely let down. From start to finish, it was over done, predictable and full of "WTF are they thinking" moments.

LOL. More tiny violins. What is the point of this? Do you need people to agree with you before you decide to 'walk away'? Why are you even bothering to announce your potential plans to "walk away"? There are millions of people who watch this show, do we need an update on what each of them is planning on doing? No. So why are you special?