Really?

and still have the buildings and features in tact? Wouldnt the entire island be distroyed if you we actually able to sink it to the bottom of the sea?

"The island is not what you are lead to believe"

What if the "island" was a stopper sitting on top of a bottle. If the bottle broke (like MIB broke the bottle on the rock), the stopper would not have anything holding it up and thus the "island" would sink to the bottom.
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Really?

and still have the buildings and features in tact? Wouldnt the entire island be distroyed if you we actually able to sink it to the bottom of the sea?

Not if it sinks slowly.

Turn the up/down donkey wheel?

In terms of real islands you can't. In terms of Lost where real physics don't apply well just about anything is possible.

so the island itself is a cork? bobbing around not attached? oo then it could sink if something pulled it down...without being blown up

My guess would be the island is surrounded by a bubble of the electromagnetic energy (i.e. snowglobe-ish) and is actually floating on top of the water. Something could happen to pop that bubble and down she goes. I guess whatever Des did by turning the failsafe key didn't quite pop the bubble.

My guess would be the island is surrounded by a bubble of the electromagnetic energy (i.e. snowglobe-ish) and is actually floating on top of the water. Something could happen to pop that bubble and down she goes. I guess whatever Des did by turning the failsafe key didn't quite pop the bubble.

Agreed. I am hoping electromagnetism comes back in play in a big way. It could help explain much. But we haven't dealt with it for some time - until this last epsidoe - and that is only if you believe Zoe.

Maybe with all the new characters it might just tip over


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2855200/rep_hank_johnson_guam_may_tip_over.html?cat=9

:biggrin:

Could be some sort of Twilight-Zone global warming twist and in the alternate the sea level has risen 20ft or so. That wouldn't be my guess though - I figure it probably has to be connected to the island being able to move location. If it can be moved geographically, it can't have that solid a connection to the ocean floor. Really, if it can be moved geographically, anything is "possible".

you make a volcano erupt....

I think that the idea behind the Island being underwater is to establish an analogy with those tales of ancient civilization being destroyed such as Atlantis, Lemuria, etc

Could be some sort of Twilight-Zone global warming twist and in the alternate the sea level has risen 20ft or so. That wouldn't be my guess though - I figure it probably has to be connected to the island being able to move location. If it can be moved geographically, it can't have that solid a connection to the ocean floor. Really, if it can be moved geographically, anything is "possible".

I agree with exile2k4. The Island moved to the bottom of the ocean and now no one can get to the Frozen Donkey Wheel to move it again.

WackA wack: "Good riddance."
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you make a volcano erupt....

I like that idea, too.

Turn the up/down donkey wheel?
Would be my guess.

But I think this is the wrong question. Not How but When did the island end up under water? I was considering making a new thread on it, but will try it out here.

Judging by the state of the houses and trees we saw, I really don't think the island has been under water for 30 years.

Crazy idea. What if the island has been under water this whole time?

Proper coordinates force an underwater course past this:

View from sub:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/poster2c.jpg

Keeping on these coordinates and resurfacing at the proper time or...by using some shenanigans at the Looking Glass, upon resurfacing, this view is seen:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/portal2dd.jpg

Arriving via sub was used more often. Maybe this is why the Dharmites and Juliet, etc. were drugged for the trip to the island. I have to say...it would kinda' freak me out. :smile:Sure would answer why the Looking Glass got its name...as a portal to get to the island.

Crazy idea. What if the island has been under water this whole time?

Proper coordinates force an underwater course past this:

View from sub:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/poster2c.jpg

Keeping on these coordinates and resurfacing at the proper time or...by using some shenanigans at the Looking Glass, upon resurfacing, this view is seen:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/portal2dd.jpg

Arriving via sub was used more often. Maybe this is why the Dharmites and Juliet, etc. were drugged for the trip to the island. I have to say...it would kinda' freak me out. :smile:Sure would answer why the Looking Glass got its name...as a portal to get to the island.

what do you mean by 'all this time'??????:confused:

They should have all been using snorkels for the past 5 seasons!:biggrin:
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I am starting to think that the island will sink when/if MiB ever leaves.

For some reason I think this is all related:

1)Smokie
2)Volcano
3)Island sinking mechanism
4)Jacob preventing MiB from leaving

Perhaps, Jacob knew that if MiB ever left, the island would sink. And he couldn't let that happen regardless of how 'evil' Smokie actually was.

And it could also be that the evil Jacob is trying to contain is actually not MiB but something else that lurks in the island. What if the only way this evil can escape is if the island is underwater?

Sayid got infected after being drowned in the dirty WATERS of the Temple Spring....

So perhaps this 'darkness/sickness' can only spread through water.....

Fierro, they go through a portal and when they resurface...the island is pristine. It is not underwater...that's the twist. Think portal. Can't think of a better reason to name it the Looking Glass. Gives new meaning to "Underworld".

Here's another view upon resurfacing...evidently the one I posted still looks like the foot is still underwater:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/Portal-1.jpg

Fierro, they go through a portal and when they resurface...the island is pristine. It is not underwater...that's the twist. Think portal. Can't think of a better reason to name it the Looking Glass. Gives new meaning to "Underworld".

Here's another view upon resurfacing...evidently the one I posted still looks like the foot is still underwater:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/Portal-1.jpg

so there is like a mirror island underwater? Like if they went through the portal in the alt timeline, they would resurface in the original timeline in the looking glass station?

that kind of reminds me of MikeNY's theories.....By the way, where is he??????

so there is like a mirror island underwater? Like if they went through the portal in the alt timeline, they would resurface in the original timeline in the looking glass station?

Yes, it's probably more complicated than that, but that's what I'm getting at. Why else would the passengers need to be drugged? Looking Glass...Underworld..it all seems to fit.

Yes, it's probably more complicated than that, but that's what I'm getting at. Why else would the passengers need to be drugged? Looking Glass...Underworld..it all seems to fit.

so let's suppose we have 500 different timelines or parallel universes...Does the portal on each one of them leads to OUR island?

What I mean is, is it possible that in ALL hypothetical timelines the island is underwater, except for OURS?

Perhaps that is why Jacob is trying so hard to protect it...In all of the other ones he has failed...This is his last hope.....

or 'it only ends once . Everything else (all the other timelines) is just progress....'

Excellent thoughts, Fierro. I like the way you think.

Zoe has focused on the EM pockets of the island. I think Widmore's interest in the island is because of the special properties. They can't loose their route to the island (and it's resources) and there's a threat that they will get shut-out forever. Because, like you said...this is the last island that isn't underwater. ?

Excellent thoughts, Fierro. I like the way you think.

Zoe has focused on the EM pockets of the island. I think Widmore's interest in the island is because of the special properties. They can't loose their route to the island (and it's resources) and there's a threat that they will get shut-out forever. Because, like you said...this is the last island that isn't underwater. ?

what if all other 'timelines' end in the same way: destroyed, erased from the multiverse because of the island getting sunk in each one of them. No matter what Jacob had tried to do, he has failed in every single one of them because, well, like MiB said, humans are corrupt, bla bla bla....

So Jacob keeps trying to prove him wrong by bringing people to the island in each of his island projects until he gets it right in at least one of them....

This timeline and its island might be the last one (maybe because of the rules?). Jacob might have only one chance left to succeed and prevent the MiB from leaving and sinking the island.....

Crazy idea. What if the island has been under water this whole time?

Proper coordinates force an underwater course past this:

View from sub:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/poster2c.jpg

Keeping on these coordinates and resurfacing at the proper time or...by using some shenanigans at the Looking Glass, upon resurfacing, this view is seen:

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/portal2dd.jpg

Arriving via sub was used more often. Maybe this is why the Dharmites and Juliet, etc. were drugged for the trip to the island. I have to say...it would kinda' freak me out. :smile:Sure would answer why the Looking Glass got its name...as a portal to get to the island.

Then how would you explain the helicopter?

Then how would you explain the helicopter?

It not impossible to arrive by air...it's just a rare and more dangerous route (window/portal/wormhole) is not as stable. (?) It's relatively safe to travel by sub...especially when transporting women and children. It's all I got so far...:smile:

It not impossible to arrive by air...it's just a rare and more dangerous route (window/portal/wormhole) is not as stable. (?) It's relatively safe to travel by sub...especially when transporting women and children. It's all I got so far...:smile:

perhaps the right bearing rule doesn't quite apply underwater, making it safer?

After all, how the heck did Widmore calculate the right bearing even after the Island apparently change places?

perhaps the right bearing rule doesn't quite apply underwater, making it safer?

After all, how the heck did Widmore calculate the right bearing even after the Island apparently change places?

There has to be a beacon in the Looking Glass. Widmore found the island that way...

In response to your previous post...I'm a slow thinker/typist.

Fierro, it seems that Jacob's plan has not gone well. It fell apart when Sayid was shot...that's JMO. (I don't think Sayid was supposed to get shot.) I think that's why Widmore has been brought in...he will succeed where Jacob failed.

perhaps the right bearing rule doesn't quite apply underwater, making it safer?

After all, how the heck did Widmore calculate the right bearing even after the Island apparently change places?

Traveling by sub doesn't seem a super-efficient way to travel to and from the island. Why didn't Dharma build their own runway? Why didn't they fly planes in an out of that place regularly? I'm a big fan of the idea that subs are, and always have been, a means of transporting through a portal that shortcuts time and space and maybe even parallel universes.

I have also considered that the island itself stands outside space and time. Sort of an island in a sea of parallel universes.

Traveling by sub doesn't seem a super-efficient way to travel to and from the island. Why didn't Dharma build their own runway? Why didn't they fly planes in an out of that place regularly? I'm a big fan of the idea that subs are, and always have been, a means of transporting through a portal that shortcuts time and space and maybe even parallel universes.

I have also considered that the island itself stands outside space and time. Sort of an island in a sea of parallel universes.

Subs may not be super-efficient but they are super-sneaky. If they want to keep the place a secret you can't fly planes in and out all the time.

True, AreWeThereYet (AWTY). And we see how dangerous it is...only used as a last resort.

Well, we knew that was something was up with the sub rides...add the captain's, "See you on the other side". I realize the Looking Glass-is-a-portal theory has been bantered about...it's fun to try and tie things together as we get new eps/info. I'll be darn if I can think of any other reason why they drug the passengers. It won't ruin the show if we don't get an answer...but how could they not? We now have an island that's underwater. That blew my mind. Seriously.

Subs may not be super-efficient but they are super-sneaky. If they want to keep the place a secret you can't fly planes in and out all the time.

I thought of that, but as long as people are coming to and fro', why does it matter the method insofar as secrecy is concerned? And someone was dropping Dharma food by air anyway. Also, if they were recruiting the likes of Roger Linus, I can't imagine him being very discreet about where he was going. It doesn't seem like anyone was sworn to secrecy before being recruited to the island.

I thought of that, but as long as people are coming to and fro', why does it matter the method insofar as secrecy is concerned? And someone was dropping Dharma food by air anyway. Also, if they were recruiting the likes of Roger Linus, I can't imagine him being very discreet about where he was going. It doesn't seem like anyone was sworn to secrecy before being recruited to the island.

Well, if secrecy is the concern it seems to me that tracking a plane is alot easier than tracking a sub. But yeah, with the Dharma planes flying overhead it doesn't make a lot of sense.

it does explain a lot of the other details though, I think sound/sonar will bounce off water, and we heard a lot of old songs and music early on, like it had been trapped there... and the explosion of the hatch, rember the sky? and the abcence of stars? oh boy, maybe you are on to something here...