Great moment with Jack and Sun on the beach. The one thing that stuck with me in that scene was Jack revealing that the tomato there was still a tomato growing in the garden. "That's one stubborn tomato. I guess no one told 'it' was supposed to die". Swear I hear Jack say "her" instead of it.

Is that foreshadowing Sun's baby in the Alt timeline? Sun's garden is still bearing fruit. Just wondering.

I just took it as another comment to the question if they are dead or not.

The timing of that scene seemed to hint at something more.

The timing of that scene seemed to hint at something more.

I thought it did as well and wondered if it's something that Sun will remember in the future if she's threatened.

Is that foreshadowing Sun's baby in the Alt timeline? Sun's garden is still bearing fruit. Just wondering.

Interesting!
I was surprised to see that in the alt Sun didn't need to gain her freedom, she didn't need to go to the island...
I think Sun is a symbol of liberty in LOST....so i don't know for the child but i hope she didn't die! ;)
Who will try to save her at the hospital? Jack? Ethan? Someone else?

About tomato:

Many historians believe that the Spanish explorer Cortez may have been the first to transfer the small yellow tomato to Europe after he captured the Aztec city of Tenochtítlan, now Mexico City, in 1521. Others believe Christopher Columbus, an Italian working for the Spanish monarchy, was the first European to take back the tomato, as early as 1493. The earliest discussion of the tomato in European literature appeared in a herbal written in 1544 by Pietro Andrea Mattioli, an Italian physician and botanist, who named it pomo d’oro, golden apple.


Cortez is Anna Lucia name...

Aztecs and other peoples in the region used the fruit in their cooking; it was being cultivated in southern Mexico and probably other areas by 500 BC. It is thought that the Pueblo people believed that those who witnessed the ingestion of tomato seeds were blessed with powers of divination

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato

Where the heck did Sun ever get a tomato seed to plant in the first place in S1?:34853_huh:

LOL, indeed. I thought she found wild herbs and transplanted them.
Tomato plants don't live more than one season, not even in Hawai'i. They can grow new plants from seeds in fallen fruit, but that's just tomatoes going wild. It's not one tomato enduring neglect.

I thought the tomato was Sun, who was supposed to die (and will die in the flash-sideways).

I thought the tomato was Sun, who was supposed to die (and will die in the flash-sideways).

If she's the tomatoe, she's stubborn.....so she's supposed to die but she won't!;)

If she's the tomatoe, she's stubborn.....so she's supposed to die but she won't!;)

Yes, but only in the main timeline. In the sideways timeline, she is still supposed to die.

I thought the tomato was Sun, who was supposed to die (and will die in the flash-sideways).

I thought it might have represented Ji Yeon in the flashsideways. She's supposed to die but isn't....hopefully.

One thing I remember reading about the tomato is that, at one time, it was considered the forbidden fruit. Wonder where Sun got tomato seeds.

Maybe there were some Dharma seed packets in the pallet drop.

Yes!! I thought the same thing. At least I hope so.

I thought it represented Sun's stubborn (and admirable) determination to find her husband, and to hell with everything else.

Perhaps notLocke put the tomato in the garden to be found and stir things up a bit.~~

Where the heck did Sun ever get a tomato seed to plant in the first place in S1?:34853_huh:
That's what I instantly thought... especially seeing that Kate was bringing island seeds to her... and she was transplanting island species in her garden. No mention of seeds otherwise, that I can think of.

Great moment with Jack and Sun on the beach. The one thing that stuck with me in that scene was Jack revealing that the tomato there was still a tomato growing in the garden. "That's one stubborn tomato. I guess no one told 'it' was supposed to die". Swear I hear Jack say "her" instead of it.

Is that foreshadowing Sun's baby in the Alt timeline? Sun's garden is still bearing fruit. Just wondering.
Love that Jack compared Sun's stubbornness to the tomato that wouldn't die.
In the 40's, females were called "tomatoes".

LOL, indeed. I thought she found wild herbs and transplanted them.
Tomato plants don't live more than one season, not even in Hawai'i. They can grow new plants from seeds in fallen fruit, but that's just tomatoes going wild. It's not one tomato enduring neglect.

Not true. Tomatoes are a herbaceous perennial and can grow for more than one season in warm climates. They're grown as an annual by most gardeners because of cold winter temps, plus they are easily replaced each spring. I grow many varieties and the ones I grow in pots get cut back and wintered over inside. I often have tomatoes off the same plants for 2-3 seasons.

As for where she got the seeds, I'd say the same place Locke got the orange. Someone had a tomato on the plane and she found it, saved and dried the seeds and planted them in her garden. I'd have done the same thing. :biggrin:

Interesting!
I think Sun is a symbol of liberty in LOST....so i don't know for the child but i hope she didn't die! ;)
Who will try to save her at the hospital? Jack? Ethan? Someone else?


Juliet.

If you see my thread on the Serpent trapped in Eden, you'll see that the tomato was the Forbidden Fruit in the Garden of Eden.

Without reading the whole thread (sorry), that line is so interesting. I didn't hear it.

But anyway, it brings up an interesting concept that I discussed eons ;) ago in real life. If we weren't programmed (told, taught) that we will all die someday...would we live forever?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato Tomato comes from South America and was brought to Spain probably by Columbus. It did not exist in the Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_fruit

This was one scene where I thought Jack was simply trying to bolster/cheer Sun up. Also that was obviously a greenhouse/ market tomato, too perfect! lol Jack's ability to resist from tearing into said tomato as opposed to using it for a teaching/morale boosting tool.?Priceless. Pass the salt!:inocent2:

If you see my thread on the Serpent trapped in Eden, you'll see that the tomato was the Forbidden Fruit in the Garden of Eden.

That's entirely conjecture, and as much a myth as the forbidden fruit being an apple (which is a purely Western construct).

If we weren't programmed (told, taught) that we will all die someday...would we live forever?

No.

:)

I posed this (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2317768&postcount=164) over in the general theories section, and thought it would fit in with this discussion.

Heres another interesting Tomato post:

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=123663

I trust Jack's love apple about as far as I trust Jacob, which is to say not very at ALL. Honestly, if the recently deceased wonder fell down the well that might bear his name, I wouldn't trust him to hit the bottom.

That piece of fruit was all to timely for me - I suspect some slight of hand stunt on a par with the cross MIB produced exactly when Richard needed to be persuaded on a particular course of action.

Richard's Hydra headed now, and Sun...? she trusts Jack; who, funnily enough, will have her go right where MIB wants her. :biggrin: