Among the many parallels we were presented with this episode, I thought one of the more interesting ones was this shed's (and the chair within) resemblance to "Jacob's cabin" and the rocking chair.

As soon as I saw the chair in the shed, I pictured us getting a scene of Desmond sitting in the chair during the "test" and flitting in and out of timespace... not unlike the view of the entity in Jacob's cabin not really being present in that rocking chair, but sort of flickering in and out of reality.

This of course is not what ended up happening, but I'm wondering if there are any connections to be drawn. Like perhaps the MIB had some Desmond-like experience with EM in his history... perhaps one that ended up leading to his current state of existence.

Maybe the cabin was a site of experiment, maybe it was an "exit point," or maybe it has no relevancy to this whatsoever :biggrin:

just some stuff to ponder...

Side note:
We are assuming that this shed/box and the electro-magnets were brought on the sub (world's largest sub and growing at this point) and assembled by Widmore's crew right?

remember the scared eye in Jacob's cabin? It could have been Desmond, you know.....

The shed and electromagnetic facility were already on the island... is what I got with them jigging around with the equipment... trying to get it to work.
The chair freaked me out... as in electrocution! (We just saw the other guy get electrocuted...)

remember the scared eye in Jacob's cabin? It could have been Desmond, you know.....

Exactly. Probably the end result of the "sacrifice" Chuck is asking Desmond to make. Maybe Desmond is forced to exist for eternity in some sort of phantom zone?

The shed and electromagnetic facility were already on the island... is what I got with them jigging around with the equipment... trying to get it to work.


I didn't get that. I think Widmore's crew was just harnessing the energy of a DI generator (originally used to power the Hydra facility) in order to power their big electro-magnets that they brought with them (as implausible as it is that they fit all that on a sub... but hey, they also fit like 500 sonic fence pylons on the sub).

I didn't get that. I think Widmore's crew was just harnessing the energy of a DI generator (originally used to power the Hydra facility) in order to power their big electro-magnets that they brought with them (as implausible as it is that they fit all that on a sub... but hey, they also fit like 500 sonic fence pylons on the sub).

Maybe Widmore "shipped" that stuff to the island on the Ajira Flight.

Probably not, but that would be one semi-plausible explanation.

I was on the same page as you, beema. As soon as they strapped him down, I was waiting for us to see him mouthing "Help me".

But, then, I was also waiting for the rabbit to multiply and cause some kind of event.

I didn't get that. I think Widmore's crew was just harnessing the energy of a DI generator (originally used to power the Hydra facility) in order to power their big electro-magnets that they brought with them (as implausible as it is that they fit all that on a sub... but hey, they also fit like 500 sonic fence pylons on the sub).

I'm not convinced the pylons were on the sub, I think they could have been on the Ajira plane.

I agree with you though about the chair and the 'shed' looking like the Jacob's cabin. I'm not sure if it's meant for us to believe tere was some sort of EM experiment occuring at one time by the DI, but we were told that Horace built it, so maybe something like that happened. Or perhaps the DI was performing some type of EM experiments and whoever said "Help Me" to Locke was involved in the EM experiment and was 'phased' out so they appear invisible. Similar to the episode of X-files where something similar happened to Tony Shaloub's (?) character.

Exactly. Probably the end result of the "sacrifice" Chuck is asking Desmond to make. Maybe Desmond is forced to exist for eternity in some sort of phantom zone?

that went through my mind also. I am expecting Desmond to start doing some crazy mind time jumping after WIdmore finds his EM pockets.... however there seems to be some complications. Desmond is gonna probably go to MIB's and maybe stayed with him for a while.... Also, we already have our Desmond-centric episode. How are they gonna center around a CT Desmond in a future episode? Multi-centric?

Maybe Desmond is forced to exist for eternity in some sort of phantom zone?

Both HIM, and then one day, his HEIRS! :mad: :)



Agreed about equipment possibly being on the Ajira plane. There was obviously a lot of planning around that flight, what with the runway being built years in advance.

Did anyone else get a whole cabin vibe when they were throwing Desmond into that chair? I sure hope his sacrifice doesn't end up with him being stuck in the time loop for eternity.

yep. can totally see that coming.... how about being stuck in a 108 minutes loop for eternity? Doing always the same things over and over and over again....

Exactly. Probably the end result of the "sacrifice" Chuck is asking Desmond to make. Maybe Desmond is forced to exist for eternity in some sort of phantom zone?

Yeah the "phantom zone" thing is kind what I was thinking of (and what I have been thinking of the figure in the cabin chair saying "help me" for some time now).

If you think about it, the Island kind of is like a phantom zone that the MIB is trapped in for eternity...

I really hope that isn't Desmond's fate though...

Yeah the "phantom zone" thing is kind what I was thinking of (and what I have been thinking of the figure in the cabin chair saying "help me" for some time now).

If you think about it, the Island kind of is like a phantom zone that the MIB is trapped in for eternity...

I really hope that isn't Desmond's fate though...

Is it possible that what we saw in Jacob's Cabin wasn't Desmond, but the MIB in Desmond's form?

Yeah, once I saw that chair, I thought of the cabin. Unfortunately, the brief glimpse that we got of the guy in the chair cabin could definitely fit an older Desmond's profile with a beard and grey hair. Unfortunately, it could make sense that it's Demsond in the chair in the cabin caught in a time loop, but I hope not, as Desmond deserves a happy ending.

hey enigma, I've already got a thread going on this :)
http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=123800

Is it possible that what we saw in Jacob's Cabin wasn't Desmond, but the MIB in Desmond's form?

but doesn't that require Desmond to be dead?

but doesn't that require Desmond to be dead?

Don't jinx it!!!!!!!!!!!!

but doesn't that require Desmond to be dead?

That's right. The Cabin seems (or seemed since it was burned down by Ilanna) to have been somewhat self-contained, like a mini version of the Island.

that shed was so stupid. how is it suppose to confine the electric field to only inside the shed? it was just a few slabs of wood with more holes than WOOD (ya, because it was all wood it would actually hold it in).

that's why i think it's probably representative of something, like jacob's cabin. one was only suspend disbelief so far.

Perhaps Desmond will be allowed to relive an entire alt-life during those 108 minutes. If you could relive your life and have the love of your life for eternity.... who would turn that down? Speaking as a recent widow, I would welcome it wholeheartedly.

I sure hope this isn't the case, but I got the same vibe from everyone else on this. Des is told he needs to make a sacrifice, and the look of the cabin...it just doesn't look good for him.

hey enigma, I've already got a thread going on this :)
http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=123800


Right on....get a close on this please mods? :D

I love the idea that Desmond may have to sacrifice himself and be stuck in some kind of ever existing loop. Maybe he will be going back and forth between time lines for eternity? That would be a way to perhaps end the show without having to erase a time line? Desmond will constantly travel back and forth forever making sure things stay in balance! It wouldn't be all bad, as he would be able to live both lives and have Penny in both, it seems. He just won't always be at either? It could work and it would be a good ending as far as I am concerned. Maybe Jacob has been doing this for a long time? Not sure what MIB has to do with all of this, have to think on that.

I sure hope this isn't the case, but I got the same vibe from everyone else on this. Des is told he needs to make a sacrifice, and the look of the cabin...it just doesn't look good for him.

I need to re-watch Daniel's "explanation" of his mystery equation to Desmond. His description of a giant release of energy preventing a catastrophic event didn't have me thinking of the nuke, as he mentioned, but it had me thinking much more of Desmond blowing the fail-safe in the Swan.

Methinks Desmond's sacrifice, and Widmore's plan, revolve around setting up similar circumstances, only maybe this time, there is no fail safe to prematurely release the EM pocket. Maybe this time they let the whole shebang blow up... or somethin... yeah

I need to re-watch Daniel's "explanation" of his mystery equation to Desmond. His description of a giant release of energy preventing a catastrophic event didn't have me thinking of the nuke, as he mentioned, but it had me thinking much more of Desmond blowing the fail-safe in the Swan.

Methinks Desmond's sacrifice, and Widmore's plan, revolve around setting up a similar circumstance, only maybe this time, there is no fail safe to prematurely explode the EM pocket. Maybe this time they let the whole shebang blow up... or somethin... yeah


I've always felt that the nuke was pretty much an old school failsafe. In the Island timeline, they must have put two and two together and figured out what Daniel did and based the failsafe technology on his idea. They just modified it to make it a little safer than blowing up a nuke. As for a path that leads Desmond to be disembodied in that cabin, I'm leaning more towards an accident of some sort as well, or an intentional accident. Though don't forget, he's in the hands of Locke and crew, so there is a possibility that his fate is not from Widmore's doing.

I've always felt that the nuke was pretty much an old school failsafe. In the Island timeline, they must have put two and two together and figured out what Daniel did and based the failsafe technology on his idea. They just modified it to make it a little safer than blowing up a nuke.

I never thought about that, it's a great idea though. Guessing you're of the Miles opinion then -- that all the stuff they did in 1977 wasn't changing the past, it was merely playing into what had always transpired?

just some stuff to ponder...

Side note:
We are assuming that this shed/box and the electro-magnets were brought on the sub (world's largest sub and growing at this point) and assembled by Widmore's crew right?

And speediest. I think Widmore got to the island eight days after springing Des from the hospital. Of course maybe the equipped sub had been on standby in Fiji or Tahiti for three years and they flew there.

Cardie

I never thought about that, it's a great idea though. Guessing you're of the Miles opinion then -- that all the stuff they did in 1977 wasn't changing the past, it was merely playing into what had always transpired?


I think that in the island time line, yes, they were just going through events, but since it's a loop, it's hard to determine when those events actually occur. Ultimately, the loop will have to be self contained, and I think that the island timeline will prevail. That is, if it is the case that the two timelines can not be allowed to exist simultaneously.

that shed was so stupid. how is it suppose to confine the electric field to only inside the shed? it was just a few slabs of wood with more holes than WOOD (ya, because it was all wood it would actually hold it in).

that's why i think it's probably representative of something, like jacob's cabin. one was only suspend disbelief so far.

I don't think the shed was meant to contain the EM field but rather to hold Desmond inside the range of the effects of the super sized coils that generate the EM field.

I don't think the shed was meant to contain the EM field but rather to hold Desmond inside the range of the effects of the super sized coils that generate the EM field.

LOL yeah...not to mention, they needed something to hold the coils up and in place, and they built it themselves obviously, so it's very simplistic. Also, the EM field doesn't necessarily need containing. They are generating a field between the two points with alternate currents. The field would already be contained between those two points.

I think that in the island time line, yes, they were just going through events, but since it's a loop, it's hard to determine when those events actually occur. Ultimately, the loop will have to be self contained, and I think that the island timeline will prevail. That is, if it is the case that the two timelines can not be allowed to exist simultaneously.

A bit tangential, but it gets me wondering... are we now thinking that Dan's idea of detonating the nuke was in error?
It at first seemed like we should be rooting for the idea of the FS -- Juliette's statement of "It worked" suggesting that the FS was a positive result of the Incident, and that even if they are still f'ed up on the Island, at least in another universe, things did get fixed.
But now it seems we are being led to believe that the FS is a big mistake.
I still can't see why...

A bit tangential, but it gets me wondering... are we now thinking that Dan's idea of detonating the nuke was in error?
It at first seemed like we should be rooting for the idea of the FS -- Juliette's statement of "It worked" suggesting that the FS was a positive result of the Incident, and that even if they are still f'ed up on the Island, at least in another universe, things did get fixed.
But now it seems we are being led to believe that the FS is a big mistake.
I still can't see why...

I don't know man. There's so many threads that are still unfastened to us it's that there are a number of ways they could jump. We know the time shenanigans are real, we know the sideways is real, but everything else we're being told could be from narrators that don't even realize they are unreliable. I mean, we do have a couple immortal and possibly insane dudes with potential God complexes on the island. It's possible that the game they are playing with the losties is completely separate from the question of the viability of two time lines.

I didn't get that. I think Widmore's crew was just harnessing the energy of a DI generator (originally used to power the Hydra facility) in order to power their big electro-magnets that they brought with them (as implausible as it is that they fit all that on a sub... but hey, they also fit like 500 sonic fence pylons on the sub).

You know... they could have made a really interesting reveal if it turned out that all of those pylons and electromagnetic coils were in the cargo hold of the Ajira flight! That would have ramped up the WTF factor on how well-planned that flight was by outside forces like Jacob, Widmore, and Hawking. I can just picture a scene of Zoey and her henchmen pulling pylons and coils out of the cargo bay. But I doubt we'll ever get a good explanation as to where all this equipment actually came from.

You know... they could have made a really interesting reveal if it turned out that all of those pylons and electromagnetic coils were in the cargo hold of the Ajira flight! That would have ramped up the WTF factor on how well-planned that flight was by outside forces like Jacob, Widmore, and Hawking. I can just picture a scene of Zoey and her henchmen pulling pylons and coils out of the cargo bay. But I doubt we'll ever get a good explanation as to where all this equipment actually came from.

I have a lot less trouble believing the brought it on the sub for some reason. Unless Ajira is owned and operated by Widmore, I think it would be pretty impossible to sneak all that stuff on to a commercial air flight. Surely it violates some TSA regulations :drowsy:. Not even sure how it would get in the air with all that! Plus the fact that Ajira was packed with Ilana people... who seemed to be in opposition to Widmore...

anyways, this is kind of straying from the direction I wanted to go with this thread...

As for the Pylons, we might not get an answer. My money, though, is that the Hydra station had back up Pylons in storage in case of emergencey.

IF Des ends up being imprisoned in the Cabin...oh man, that'll be really depressing. Even more than the 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th times we found out Locke was dead.
100%
Playing devil's advocate, what if the guy in the cabin is skinny older Hurley? Or Sawyer? Grr, stupid show messing with our heads.

I still think it was MIB in a different body...I think.

I think it was a homage to TPTB's favorite, The Watchmen. I though Des was going to turn into Dr. Manhattan.

I thought about the cabin too but when I FIRST saw it, I thought of...

"SHOOT HER!!" from Jurassic Park.

A bit tangential, but it gets me wondering... are we now thinking that Dan's idea of detonating the nuke was in error?
It at first seemed like we should be rooting for the idea of the FS -- Juliette's statement of "It worked" suggesting that the FS was a positive result of the Incident, and that even if they are still f'ed up on the Island, at least in another universe, things did get fixed.
But now it seems we are being led to believe that the FS is a big mistake.
I still can't see why...

I keep thinking that sooner or later that universe is gonna get undone by Desmond's 'sacrifice'. That universe was doomed since the day it was born because Desmond was always meant to go back to the Island, return to the moment of 815's crash and prevent it by NOT missing the button. That is what Widmore wants. Why? That way, Desmondo will still be on the island, Jacob would be alive, MiB wouldnt have Locke's body to impersonate.... However, I don't think that Flight 815 would have landed safely in LA. In the original universe, the plane would have most likely crashed on the ocean killing everybody. So I wonder how a scenario like that might actually work?????

Add another name to the list of cabin vibers. Jacob 'trapped'. Desmond [to be] 'trapped'?

Both HIM, and then one day, his HEIRS! :mad: :)

You will bow down before me! :biggrin:

I think it was a homage to TPTB's favorite, The Watchmen. I though Des was going to turn into Dr. Manhattan.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one!

But in a way, being dislodged from time and space, he sort of is like Dr. Manhattan, even if he isn't naked and can grow to be as big as the statue.

And speediest. I think Widmore got to the island eight days after springing Des from the hospital. Of course maybe the equipped sub had been on standby in Fiji or Tahiti for three years and they flew there.

Cardie

I've been wondering about the timing of this as well, Cardie. I think you're on to something about him having a sub on standby and, I guess, a team. I would think he started gathering the necessary personel right after Locke left Tunisia with Abaddom??
I thought the shed looked old and I really wasn't reminded of the cabin. I don't know why now since it's fairly obvious. I guess might have already been there?? These are questions that will probably never be answered and that's fine but the rapidity of how it was all put together is a puzzler.

I've always been pretty sure that Christian was the MIB, no matter how Christian looked. The only thing that speaks against this is that Hurley sees two people in Jacob's cabin, one of them might be the MIB and Christian might be the ghost of Christian, Zombie Christian or a third force. If a time-travelling Desmond was the person Hurley saw, then it would all make sense - sadly - but I don't want this to be Desmond's fate. Although I could imagine that Desmond's sacrifice is to stay on the Island forever, with Penny though.
I'd really like to see Desmond and Ilana meet each other.

I thought about the cabin too but when I FIRST saw it, I thought of...

"SHOOT HER!!" from Jurassic Park.

ahaha
yeah the scenes outside the Hydra station totally made me think of Jurassic Park too!

to all the people mentioning Des as being one of the things Hurley saw in the cabin -- I always thought that the eye he saw looked like Desmond's, even though now we know that the eye belonged to one of the Lost crew members.

I guess I'm just hoping that somehow the show will offer a bit more exposition into Jacob's cabin...

:biggrin: I also thought of the "clever girl" dino container from Jurassic Park and thought, "Wow, they have no idea what they are gonna unleash when this test is over!"