View Full Version : This Season Would Be So Much Better...
04-07-2010, 08:24 AM
If Locke was actually Locke. I cannot believe that at the end of it all the murder of John Locke will seem more necessary. It just seems like the most senseless, poorly thought out idea of the whole show. Having Terry O'Quinn still on the show doesn't cut it, I don't like the character he's playing now.
It seems to me that the writers ran out of ideas and figured the death of John Locke would make a nice twist, but they didn't think of the concequences of that decision through enough. Locke, the special Locke, was never supposed to be murdered by that weak, pansy-like fka Benjamin Linus.
And the writers hoodwinked us. We were bamboozled. Locke died in a flashforward so there was no time for us to get pissed off yet cos it hadn't happened yet. Then the same episode it happened we saw he had been 'resurrected' so again, no reason to be pissed off. Then they pull the rug out from under us in the 5th season finale. So that's 2 seasons they tricked us into not being pissed at their murdering of Locke.
I think this season would be so much better if it was still John Locke interacting with our old characters and Im upset that it is not.
04-07-2010, 10:28 AM
Im with ya, I dont get why it had to be Lockes body MIB is using. Locke always seemed like he should be the true candidate anyway, now hes just a dead old man whose destiny it was to be used and treated like a punk?
04-07-2010, 09:15 PM
I tend to agree. I am still holding out hope that Locke has a big role in the end game.
Unless he's special just because he went back in time and told everyone that he is special.
04-07-2010, 09:43 PM
Yeah I believe the fact everyone literally calls him special in season 3 is cos he time traveled, but we know from season 1 that Locke is indeed special. And its nothing to do with the writers having a plan for Locke or anything, its simply inconsistent writing.
Locke was written totally crap after the first bit of season 2. He went from godlike, mystical powerful man who had all the answers to a bumbling fool. The writers raped his character. I think they literally had no idea where to go with him from that so they just killed him as a quick fix to get him back to where he was in season 1.
04-07-2010, 11:58 PM
I still have some hope that they'll bring original locke back into the action. Funny how the whole candidate concept comes up right after the only person who cared about the island is killed off.
However I disagree that Locke was ruined after season 2, that arc was very much in character with season one Locke. Then he became awesome again in season 3 with the sub destruction.
04-08-2010, 01:42 AM
What was Locke in S3? Fine I get in season 2 he loses faith in the island and gets all pissed off. Then in the end of s2 he realizes he "was wrong" so in S3 he should be his normal s1 self again, right? Wrong. In s3 he seems more lost than ever, randomly blowing up the sub and killing Naomi. That wasn't awesome, that was just out of character and stupid.
04-08-2010, 02:46 PM
Well he blew up the sub for the same reason he smashed sayid's radio in S1. He killed Naomi because he trusted walt, just like his blind faith in S1.
The only thing I hated was that they never showed him actually leading the others, they flash away exactly when he's about to start leading.
04-10-2010, 06:50 AM
Locke's unglorious death (which pretty much proves that he was never special, he was never important, and never could have become; he was just a meaningless if convenient pawn for MIB to get a permanent body) is the single biggest disappointment in Lost.
As much as it would be the most awesome, ballsy thing to have the ultimate villain character call the one true believer "a sucker" and leave it at that. There's no way a U.S. show would let that be the last word. They'll certainly win up with MIB having things turn on him and Locke will be "vindicated" some way in the X timeline, at least.
05-03-2010, 02:26 PM
Yeah, the way Locke has ended up has been disappointing for me. Of course there is a little bit of story left and things could change but the "Locke is a sucker" theme has been played out soooo long. They like to let things play out really long though (Sun & Jin reunion) so I still hold hope for a Locke redemption somehow. Ever since the beginning of this show we've seen Locke get duped and beaten (mentally and physically) and I just always told myself that I hope and believe that at the end of all this it would be great to see him as the hero or the right one or something along those lines. We'll see though.
05-03-2010, 11:27 PM
In s3 he seems more lost than ever, randomly blowing up the sub and killing Naomi. That wasn't awesome, that was just out of character and stupid.
I read about this on this interview:
AP(associated press): You’ve had other disagreements with the writers.
At the end of season three Locke throws a knife into Naomi’s back and I said, ‘This really hurts me, it’s so not typical and it’s so out of character and it seemed gratuitous.’ I made the biggest stink I ever made with (executive producers) Damon Lindelhof and Carlton Cuse and they said, ‘Look, Locke believes he was doing the right thing. His life was saved, he’s been told, he’s been instructed. He believes that this is the most dangerous person in the world right now and he does what he does. Do it.’ I said, ’Well, you know, if I stab her in the back couldn’t I at least shoot Jack in the knee or something?’
I also think it was way out of character..(killing Naomi). Terry is an awesome actor and he didn't like that..I think it was one of the worst "out of character" moments we had on Lost.
05-03-2010, 11:40 PM
I'm a huge fan of Locke, and I was really saddened when I found out he was dead (twice!). But I think you are missing the point of what they did with Locke's character.
Locke's purpose was to transform Jack from a man of science into a man of faith. Every season, we've had a confrontation with Jack and Locke, and Locke repeating the statement that they are there for a reason and it's their destiny. And Jack just wants to leave.
Now we see that Jack is a man of faith. He has taken up Locke's torch. Locke is alive!! Locke lives through Jack. (Not in a physical sense, but metaphorically, of course!) Was I the only one that got goosebumps when Jack told Sawyer that they weren't supposed to leave and Sawyer made him "get off [his] damn boat"?
Jack is the new Locke!
05-04-2010, 12:00 AM
Ergo, Sawyer is the new Jack (making a deal with the devil to get off the island) - and fLocke is the new Sawyer, pulling the long con. Interesting.
I'm not very interested, usually, in "god-like" characters. I like frailty and doubt and humanity. Locke's struggle with faith and his place in the world is very existential. I admire John Locke. He tries to do the right thing. He fails alot. As do we all.
And just because fLocke calls John a sucker, doesn't mean he is.