At 3 years old, you have a good idea of who your parents are and what your relationship is. I'm your kid, you love me and I love you loving me.

According to Aaron, Kate is mommy. He woke up in a hotel with "Grandma." She doesn't look like mommy. Jack is dad...I don't see him much anymore. Now you are going to bring back some crazy blonde not-so-bright girl who will be my super overprotective parent because she has a desperate need to be with him and she will be Mommy?? And dad will be Uncle Jack?

Wow. Please please please let Claire die. Poor Aaron.

At 3 years old, you have a good idea of who your parents are and what your relationship is. I'm your kid, you love me and I love you loving me.

According to Aaron, Kate is mommy. He woke up in a hotel with "Grandma." She doesn't look like mommy. Jack is dad...I don't see him much anymore. Now you are going to bring back some crazy blonde not-so-bright girl who will be my super overprotective parent because she has a desperate need to be with him and she will be Mommy?? And dad will be Uncle Jack?

Wow. Please please please let Claire die. Poor Aaron.
she is his mom after all. And Aaron was taken away from her by, presumely MiB, is not that she gave him away...

And don't forget that he isn't supposed to be raised by another.....;)

she is his mom after all. And Aaron was taken away from her by, presumely MiB, is not that she gave him away...

And don't forget that he isn't supposed to be raised by another.....;)


That just reminded me of that creepy Dream Locke:

LOCKE: He was your responsibility but you gave him away, Claire. Everyone pays the price now.


I do hope Aaron plays some kind of role still.

That just reminded me of that creepy Dream Locke:


I do hope Aaron plays some kind of role still.

WOW. That line does make sense now....

At 3 years old, you have a good idea of who your parents are and what your relationship is. I'm your kid, you love me and I love you loving me.

According to Aaron, Kate is mommy. He woke up in a hotel with "Grandma." She doesn't look like mommy. Jack is dad...I don't see him much anymore. Now you are going to bring back some crazy blonde not-so-bright girl who will be my super overprotective parent because she has a desperate need to be with him and she will be Mommy?? And dad will be Uncle Jack?

Wow. Please please please let Claire die. Poor Aaron.
Everything you described, though, would only be the case in the original timeline.

she is his mom after all. And Aaron was taken away from her by, presumely MiB, is not that she gave him away...

And don't forget that he isn't supposed to be raised by another.....;)

How do we know that Aaron wasn't supposed to be raised by another because his mom couldn't handle it? Maybe it's to Claire's benefit that she be around Aaron? He might be fine regardless.

We also don't know that Aaron was "taken" by MiB. He even slapped Claire and said, "you left him in the woods"(or something very close to that, not going to look for it). She couldve left him with Sawyer and Miles instead of them stumbling into him in the woods while looking for her. She left him and aside from being Aaron's mom, she's one of the most useless female castaways of all time. I rank her next to The Professor's wife lol.

All in all this boils down to I LOVE KATE MORE :biggrin: So she should get to raise Aaron and say wonderful nice things about his real mom to him as he grows up with Uncle Dad ;)
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Right. The original timeline is what I'm referring to, but since Claire X is still looking for an adoptive family, maybe Aaron might end up with her friend Kate or Uncle Jack anyway? Sorry wishful thinking...I don't think that'll happen tho

she is his mom after all. And Aaron was taken away from her by, presumely MiB, is not that she gave him away...

And don't forget that he isn't supposed to be raised by another.....;)

I always thought that Aaron wasn't supposed to be raised by an Other ??

I think, ultimately, and tragically, Aaron may lose BOTH Kate and Claire (or any chance with reuniting with either)...and it may affect his future. Not necessarily for the better. :frown:

Malkin was pretty clear on what he meant:

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .
CLAIRE: Danger?
MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.
Claire always seems to be dark without Aaron. We know before she became pregnant she was the dark version of Claire. Later when her baby was taken by Rousseau there was an odd scene with her:

SHANNON: Who do you think is punishing us?
SUN: Fate.
CLAIRE: No one's punishing us. There's no such thing as fate.
It doesn't seem like much there, but if you watch the scene, she's kind of creepy.

And, of course, we saw the turn she took after Aaron was taken off the island.

Malkin was pretty clear on what he meant:
Claire always seems to be dark without Aaron. We know before she became pregnant she was the dark version of Claire. Later when her baby was taken by Rousseau there was an odd scene with her:

It doesn't seem like much there, but if you watch the scene, she's kind of creepy.

And, of course, we saw the turn she took after Aaron was taken off the island.

Perhaps Malkin didn't make himself clear enough? what if the one affected by Aaron being raised by another was Claire, and NOT Aaron himself?

We do know what having Aaron away from her has turned her into....Has Kate already saved her? Or is she still loyal to him????

Remember MiB's words regarding Kate? He said that she was actually expendable....

Perhaps Malkin didn't make himself clear enough? what if the one affected by Aaron being raised by another was Claire, and NOT Aaron himself?

We do know what having Aaron away from her has turned her into....Has Kate already saved her? Or is she still loyal to him????

Remember MiB's words regarding Kate? He said that she was actually expendable....

Yeah, she's the one who seems affected.

I don't know where Claire stands right now. If I had to guess I'd say she doesn't either.

Yeah, she's the one who seems affected.

I don't know where Claire stands right now. If I had to guess I'd say she doesn't either.

Yeah. Let's imagine this weird scenario:

Kate ends up being the candidate. The person that is gonna save us all ( I doubt it, but still...)

And then BOOM, Claire has one of those evil attacks and shoots her....
:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:

Is that what Malkin was so afraid of?

I think one of us will have to shoot Claire for attacking Kate somewhere along the way...at least I hope. Im wayyyyy more interested in Sayid's salvation than Claire's. She can stay here and eat imaginary peanut butter for all I care.

Im wayyyyy more interested in Sayid's salvation than Claire's.

And why is that, if I may ask?

And don't forget that he isn't supposed to be raised by another.....;)

I always thought that Aaron wasn't supposed to be raised by an Other ??

...I'm pretty sure she was told not to have him raised in Ann Arbor.

Why shouldn't Aaron be reunited with his mother following his period of foster care?

Why shouldn't Aaron be reunited with his mother following his period of foster care?

Because she's an ax murderer?

'twas just a flesh wound.

And why is that, if I may ask?

Because Sayid's character had depth, usefulness, and sorrow. He has done so much to help, protect, and take care of everyone else from his brother to other crash members, the guy deserves a break.

What has Claire ever done? What has been her usefulness to anyone ever? If she wasn't pregnant, she wouldve been a background character. On another note, there's so much Kate hate, especially from the guys, and we allllll KNOW you guys have dated more than one girl!!! Lol

Isn't Claire useful as a human being? Is it fair that her worth is only calculated in what she can do for another? She had her hands pretty full being a new mother stranded on an island. And, she did come up with the clever idea to attach a note to the migratory birds. That was a sharp idea for which she should have gotten more credit.

[quote=Avius;2336661]Isn't Claire useful as a human being? Is it fair that her worth is only calculated in what she can do for another?

Lol this is tv Avius...we've got plenty of humans lol :biggrin:. We need survivors, engineers, and movers and shakers! We need fruit from trees, boars to eat, fish caught, herbs planted, medications and medical treatments, rafts built, and con men to figure out when other people are lying and a torturer to get the truth. What have you done for us lately Claire?

She can be a human right here on this island. Continue existing. WE WANT TO LIVE! :)

The island wants something from everyone. Maybe what it wanted from Claire was Aaron? Now MiB is keeping her around because he needed a female Locke to manipulate.

What has Claire ever done? What has been her usefulness to anyone ever?

She did quite a bit to help, protect and take care of her baby.

If she wasn't pregnant, she wouldve been a background character.

If Jack hadn't been a doctor...
If Kate hadn't been a fugitive...
If Sayid hadn't been a torturer...
If Walt hadn't been 'special'...

She did quite a bit to help, protect and take care of her baby.

If Jack hadn't been a doctor...
It wasnt a doctor that trekked thru the woods to rescue his friends. The doctor didn't move everyone into the caves. A doctor is not a default leader. My family physician will not lock and load for me...is that a sign of a poor health system? :lipsseal:

If Kate hadn't been a fugitive...
Was it a fugitive who helped deliver Aaron, climb trees for fruit, track ppl thru the woods, stitch Jack, and keep Sawyer from getting "Piggy"-ied by the other castaways? Then we should all be lucky to have fugitives among us.

If Sayid hadn't been a torturer...
Yes while being a torturer Sayid was very useful, so was his ability to fix electronics...

If Walt hadn't been 'special'...
Well, only birds, bears, and "others" seem to benefit from that little experience...

But hey, thanks for all your help, Claire, with that caring for the baby thing. Nice work. And you did a great job raising him! Oh wait, that was Kate too. :drowsy:

Lol this is tv Avius

Yes, I know. And you made comments regarding a character to which I responded. Why would my insights be any less valid than yours? Because it's a show for you too.

It wasnt a doctor that trekked thru the woods to rescue his friends. The doctor didn't move everyone into the caves. A doctor is not a default leader. My family physician will not lock and load for me...is that a sign of a poor health system? :lipsseal:


Was it a fugitive who helped deliver Aaron, climb trees for fruit, track ppl thru the woods, stitch Jack, and keep Sawyer from getting "Piggy"-ied by the other castaways? Then we should all be lucky to have fugitives among us.


Yes while being a torturer Sayid was very useful, so was his ability to fix electronics...


Well, only birds, bears, and "others" seem to benefit from that little experience...

But hey, thanks for all your help, Claire, with that caring for the baby thing. Nice work. And you did a great job raising him! Oh wait, that was Kate too. :drowsy:

There's no need to be snarky. Do you think Claire voluntarily gave up the chance to raise Aaron, or is it more likely she was conned by Christian (or whatever he is)? You stated that Claire would have been a background character had she not been pregnant. I suggested the same can be said of, for example, four other main characters in the show if one looks at particular traits, qualities or professions. It all comes down to what one considers to be the fundamental reason why those particular people were brought to the island by Jacob, and I don't think it's because Sayid is good at fixing radios. :)

Yes, I know. And you made comments regarding a character to which I responded. Why would my insights be any less valid than yours? Because it's a show for you too.

Your insight is not invalid. I like that we are discussing it! It was being funny. I've seen other posts as well that feel like we are at a point in the story where some things are not needed. The salvation of Claire doesn't really bring anything to the story, as opposed to the salvation of Sayid and Kate. We have characters who ppl considered such bad people who have a chance to make something out of it. What's left for Claire at this stage of the game? Aside from the opportunity to bring a character out of the darkness, there would be no big moment in it. Sayid is experiencing darkness as well, wouldn't it be big if he came out of it and did something large for the group?

Can you offer more than Claire being human? I've seen some of your posts. Are you a Claire fan? I'm not sure if you are rooting for her in general or just stating that she has value as a person? Share?
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There's no need to be snarky. Do you think Claire voluntarily gave up the chance to raise Aaron, or is it more likely she was conned by Christian (or whatever he is)? You stated that Claire would have been a background character had she not been pregnant. I suggested the same can be said of, for example, four other main characters in the show if one looks at particular traits, qualities or professions. It all comes down to what one considers to be the fundamental reason why those particular people were brought to the island by Jacob, and I don't think it's because Sayid is good at fixing radios. :)

No attempt at being snarky. Sorry if you found it offensive. I am just presenting my counter argument: none of our other main characters would be background characters without their professional labels or social stigmas. Everyone has a role in life and on this island outside of their given jobs.

Your insight is not invalid. I like that we are discussing it!

Sorry, The "get a life" and "it's only a tv show" posts lately are wearing on me.

Sorry, The "get a life" and "it's only a tv show" posts lately are wearing on me.

No worries brotha lol. You didn't answer my questions though. What's your stand on the Claire issue?

Well, I am just defending her as a human being. I don't really have any great Claire love. She did organize the memorial for all those dead people, she thought of the bird note thing...she has crazy dreams, some of which were prescient. I forget what the original argument was.

Well, I am just defending her as a human being. I don't really have any great Claire love. She did organize the memorial for all those dead people, she thought of the bird note thing...she has crazy dreams, some of which were prescient. I forget what the original argument was.

Lol ok I guess I can accept that. Thanks for the convo.

No attempt at being snarky. Sorry if you found it offensive.

No, my apologies entirely. I was having a bad five minutes. :)

I am just presenting my counter argument: none of our other main characters would be background characters without their professional labels or social stigmas. Everyone has a role in life and on this island outside of their given jobs.

My sentiments exactly, really, and I was simply getting at the fact that Claire's importance is as a mother. Her social stigma is her being a single mother - something that is looked down upon by many people - and I hope she still retains the possibility of raising her child, be it in the original timeline or the alt.