I can't figure out the logic for crossing people off the list. At one point in time all the Losties were candidates. Some have died, so that explains why they would be crossed off. But others are crossed off for now apparent reason. So why is Kate crossed off the list of candidates? What did she do to get eliminated? Is she dead? Did she commit some sort of sin? What?

It's weird. I am really hoping that it's that she was incorrectly crossed off in the Cave but she wasn't crossed off in the Lighthouse. That was a theory floating around for awhile. I have hope for Kate yet. Maybe MIB is wrong about her.

I think MIB is wrong about her, and this may be a "loophole" that ruins his plan.

except widmore who seems to be working on the side of good also said kate is not on the list. so its nnot just mib.

I think that maybe she was crossed off after she the committed cold blooded murder of her dad?

I think that maybe she was crossed off after she the committed cold blooded murder of her dad?

Sawyer killed an inocent man in australia in cold blood and he isn't crossed off
Sayid killed many people and he is not crossed off
Actually everyone there killed someone ... so why are you talking only about kate?
I believe that she has a more important role in the show than most people think... if her mission was over, her story on the island would be over too as it was over for sayid, charlie, jin sun etc

I can't figure out the logic for crossing people off the list. At one point in time all the Losties were candidates. Some have died, so that explains why they would be crossed off. But others are crossed off for now apparent reason. So why is Kate crossed off the list of candidates? What did she do to get eliminated? Is she dead? Did she commit some sort of sin? What?

I've been asking myself that same question about all of the candidates ever since "The Lighthouse" aired. It seems to me that if we could figure out exactly who the candidates are, which of them has already been crossed out, which remain in the running and what the difference is between them all we could figure out what's really going on. I think the names that have been crossed out have something to do with what's happening to each of the candidates in the alternate timeline. Those crossed off could represent their other self''s status there- being determined by whether or not their experiences in the Island timeline have changed them on a subconscious level, which in Kate's case isn't exactly unfair. Yes, she did a nice thing for Claire... after high-jacking her cab and holding her at gun point, anyway. Aside from that we haven't seen much evidence that she's changed at all from who she was and where she stood in her life before the Island to who and where she stands in the alt. timeline. She's still fugitive of the law- possibly even a killer.

What major factor or trait do the scratched-off candidates all have in common versus those remaining?

Sawyer killed an inocent man in australia in cold blood and he isn't crossed off
Sayid killed many people and he is not crossed off
Actually everyone there killed someone ... so why are you talking only about kate?
I believe that she has a more important role in the show than most people think... if her mission was over, her story on the island would be over too as it was over for sayid, charlie, jin sun etc

:doh: Good points.

I think she is off the list because in ALL the Realities she is still running.

Kate was conned.. did you see the look on her face when she heard she was not on the list? I think someone pulled the same thing on her that they did to ben...told her she was important so she would do what they needed :)

Kate was conned.. did you see the look on her face when she heard she was not on the list? I think someone pulled the same thing on her that they did to ben...told her she was important so she would do what they needed :)

I don't think she was conned, she already knew she was not in the list since season 3. If she was conned I think they would have shown the scene, but I agree with you that she has a lot of similarities with Ben. Their stories have many common points.

I sure hope this isn't one of those mysteries that gets brushed aside in order to rush us to the end. As others have said, maybe Jacob or MIB decided she hasn't changed enough, or maybe she's been crossed off to throw MIB off. I'm not pro or con any reason, just as long as they give us the courtesy of an answer!

Kate is Eowyn?

Kate is Eowyn?'Splain further, please Sam. I'm drawing a blank. I'm thinking horseback riding warrior princess who doesn't get the guy. But I'm guessing that's not what you're referring to....?

Éowyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éowyn)

Kate is Eowyn?

Making Flocke the witchking?

Kate was crossed off because Kate replacing Jacob would be worse than MiB escaping the Island.

except widmore who seems to be working on the side of good also said kate is not on the list. so its nnot just mib.

I still don't trust that Widmore is on the side of good. Widmore armed his people with guns to fight a smoke monster, and seems to have left a very convenient, poorly hidden, bomb for FLocke. We don't know what "sacrifice" he wants Desmond to make, or why he needs those pockets of energy.

As for Kate, I hope that Jacob sees something in her that FLocke doesn't, and that her being crossed off in the cave is his big mistake. It would be a nice redemption for a character that had so much potential originally, and then was simply used as a love-plot device.

Sadly Kate's purpose has been to motivate Jack and Sawyer. Season 3; the only reason why either of these leaders did anything was for her. Her name may be scratched off the cave wall but she is needed still for these two to complete what they have been brough to the island to do.

I think that maybe she was crossed off after she the committed cold blooded murder of her dad?
This what i assumed too

Jacob got drunk as a monkey, dropped the candle, and scratched off Kate's name thinking it was the Kwons.

I don't think we'll get an answer for this, but I'm ok with the reason for being crossed out left unknown.

I think that maybe she was crossed off after she the committed cold blooded murder of her dad?

Jacob said that when you come to the island, your past does not matter. (this seems to include medical conditions such as Rose's Cancer, Jin's infertility, Locke's Paralysis)

Why Does Jacob bring people to the island? To prove to the MIB that people can change if given a chance to start over. MIB is just as eager to prove to Jacob that people can't change, and will always be basically evil and a prisoner of their past and circumstances.

I Believe that Kate Is on a list. It just isn't Widmore's List, or Ilana's List, or Ben's List. In fact if you remember, the list was an ever changing list while Jacob was alive, and Jack supposedly wasn't even on the list when he first got to the island. But things change, and people change. And that list has changed.

Kate's name has not been crossed off on the lighthouse wheel. While Jacob was alive, the list of candidates was a list in progress. Jacob's final list before his death was hidden inside the Ankh in Hurley's guitar case, and Kate's name was on it. Ilana never saw the final list, and neither did the MIB, and neither did Charles Widmore.

Sawyer told Kate that he saw her name crossed off in the Cave. Now I'm waiting for Jack to tell her that he saw her name in the Lighthouse, and It wasn't crossed off.

I think she got crossed off because she took Aaron off the island.

It could also have happened as early as season 1. Even though Sawyer shot the Marshal and Jack euthanized him Kate wanted him dead for her own benefit.

Let us not forget about Adam & Eve in the cave. If it doesn't turn out to be Rose & Bernard, then my guess is that it's Jack & Kate. It seems a given that Jack is the candidate. It also seems as though Kate was mighty glad to find Jack on the beach after the sub sunk. She didn't crawl to Sawyer and cry all over him. I'm not trying to start a 'ship war here, I'm just stating what I saw in last night's epi.

We still haven't found out what Ben told Kate on the beach at brekkie in season 2 (or was it 3). Kate has a larger role we're not seeing yet...I hope. Otherwise, TPTB have really done her character a disservice.

I've been asking myself that same question about all of the candidates ever since "The Lighthouse" aired. It seems to me that if we could figure out exactly who the candidates are, which of them has already been crossed out, which remain in the running and what the difference is between them all we could figure out what's really going on. I think the names that have been crossed out have something to do with what's happening to each of the candidates in the alternate timeline. Those crossed off could represent their other self''s status there- being determined by whether or not their experiences in the Island timeline have changed them on a subconscious level, which in Kate's case isn't exactly unfair. Yes, she did a nice thing for Claire... after high-jacking her cab and holding her at gun point, anyway. Aside from that we haven't seen much evidence that she's changed at all from who she was and where she stood in her life before the Island to who and where she stands in the alt. timeline. She's still fugitive of the law- possibly even a killer.

What major factor or trait do the scratched-off candidates all have in common versus those remaining?

You're probably right in assuming that the alt-timeline status of the characters is very significant, and Kate has not evidenced much change in that timeline, unless she is correct in her assertion of innocence.

Actually, she showed more growth during her time off-island, raising Aaron and then deciding to reconnect him with his mother. That is sacrificial love and very redeeming.

I can't figure out the logic for crossing people off the list. At one point in time all the Losties were candidates. Some have died, so that explains why they would be crossed off. But others are crossed off for now apparent reason. So why is Kate crossed off the list of candidates? What did she do to get eliminated? Is she dead? Did she commit some sort of sin? What?

It's weird. I am really hoping that it's that she was incorrectly crossed off in the Cave but she wasn't crossed off in the Lighthouse. That was a theory floating around for awhile. I have hope for Kate yet. Maybe MIB is wrong about her.

I actually posted a theory this morning about this in the Spoiler/Theory section if you guys are interested. "Kate Has Been Claimed All Along..?" It totally relates to this. I think this could get alot freakier than any of us have ever imagined.

I sure hope this isn't one of those mysteries that gets brushed aside in order to rush us to the end. As others have said, maybe Jacob or MIB decided she hasn't changed enough, or maybe she's been crossed off to throw MIB off. I'm not pro or con any reason, just as long as they give us the courtesy of an answer!


^^and in particular this! *waves at AboutBunnies* ! :D

except widmore who seems to be working on the side of good also said kate is not on the list. so its nnot just mib.

Unless Widmore is working for MiB...


-ik

Kate's name has not been crossed off on the lighthouse wheel. While Jacob was alive, the list of candidates was a list in progress. Jacob's final list before his death was hidden inside the Ankh in Hurley's guitar case, and Kate's name was on it. Ilana never saw the final list, and neither did the MIB, and neither did Charles Widmore.

Sawyer told Kate that he saw her name crossed off in the Cave. Now I'm waiting for Jack to tell her that he saw her name in the Lighthouse, and It wasn't crossed off.Yes, you're right. I forgot about the guitar case list. She's probably still viable, maybe esp. viable.

I actually posted a theory this morning about this in the Spoiler/Theory section if you guys are interested. "Kate Has Been Claimed All Along..?" It totally relates to this. I think this could get alot freakier than any of us have ever imagined.Ladybirdkate, your theories are always worth reading, pondering and seriously considering! :glomp:

I don't think Kate's name was crossed out in the light house.

What if the reason is not because of what she did, but what she might/could do?


Kate is Eowyn?
"No man can kill me."

"I am no man!" ... :biggrin:

What if the reason is not because of what she did, but what she might/could do?



^^^ BINGO.

"No man can kill me."

"I am no man!" ... :biggrin:



Or...

"no girl's just like me" ;)
100%

Ladybirdkate, your theories are always worth reading, pondering and seriously considering! :glomp:

:Laie_82: Thank you AB!!:redface:

I don't think Kate's name was crossed out in the light house.

Carlton Cuse stated that this was a production error, and her name was supposed to be crossed out on the Lighthouse dial.

I think that her name was crossed off as a misdirection.

Carlton Cuse stated that this was a production error, and her name was supposed to be crossed out on the Lighthouse dial.

Thanks for that info. It still doesn't give a reason why Kate's name was crossed out. Did the candidates have to be male? If that's the case then Sun couldn't be a candidate.

So far, the only candidates' names that were crossed off were dead, right? :confused:

Nah, Straume, Littleon and Linus (Ben?) are still alive. I can't find where Kate's name is crossed off at the Lighthouse. Anyone know the story on that?

IIRC. I think they stated that Kate's name was in the cave and crossed out. They said nothing about her name being crossed out in the lighthouse as well. The production error refered to her name being edited out from the cave scene.

What if MIB / Flocke thinks that Kate is the replacement?
Then Flocke might have crossed her name out so that Sawyer wouldn't think she was a candidate?

For ??? some reason?

i think it's cuz she's done the dirty deed with multiple candidates.

There's been a suggestion a few times that the MiB is vulnerable to water - maybe Kate hits him in the face with a water bottle and that's how he's defeated?

IIRC. I think they stated that Kate's name was in the cave and crossed out. They said nothing about her name being crossed out in the lighthouse as well. The production error refered to her name being edited out from the cave scene.

Right.

I still contend that there is more to come from Kate and that she is indeed still a candidate.

Right.

I still contend that there is more to come from Kate and that she is indeed still a candidate.
I agree. I think there is something more to her. It could be that the cave names were MIB candidates and the lighthouse names were Jacob candidates?

I agree. I think there is something more to her. It could be that the cave names were MIB candidates and the lighthouse names were Jacob candidates?


I agree but honestly I hope we're both wrong. I just don't like Kate anymore and would hate for her to be the key to everything. Out of all of the survivors, she became the most two dimensional over the last couple of seasons imo. They only seem to turn to her when they need a superficially tough person who is good at absolutely everything.

i think it's cuz she's done the dirty deed with multiple candidates.

Lucky girl.

Right.

I still contend that there is more to come from Kate and that she is indeed still a candidate.

I wonder if Flocke can't kill any of the candidates because it is against the rules he must follow if he wants to "leave the island". This makes it more of a CHOICE not to kill the candidates, than an actually can't kill the candidates type of scenario.

So, the smartest thing for Jacob to do, would be to hide the identity of one of the candidates from the MIB. If MIB kills Kate, he won't be able to leave the island.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out because just as Sawyer saw Kate's name crossed out on the cave wall, Jack saw that Kate's name was not crossed out in the lighthouse. Jack may very well figure out that MIB does not know about Candidate Kate. :o

Per Lostpedia:

In "The Package (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Package)," the Man in Black (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Man_in_Black) told Claire (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Claire) that her name was not on the cave wall and also that Kate's name as not on the cave wall. However, in "The Substitute (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Substitute)," Claire's surname, Littleton, was seen crossed out at the cave. Although Kate's name was not seen in the cave, Carlton Cuse (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Carlton_Cuse) said in an interview (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&f=Candidates&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftv.ign.com%2Fdor%2Fobjects%2F821880 %2Flost%2Fvideos%2Flost_paleyfest_ints_030110.html %7Cstated) that Kate's name was on the cave wall and crossed out, but regrettably did not make the final edit.

The name "Austen" was not seen in the cave, but was later seen in the lighthouse, not crossed out. Sawyer later told Kate that he indeed saw her surname in the cave, and that it was crossed out.

Per Lostpedia:

100% Correct!! Crossed out in MIB's Cave, NOT Crossed out in Jacob's Lighthouse.

MIB doesn't know Kate is a candidate. I see big trouble either for MIB or for Kate!

Heck I'll throw in a crazy, crazy idea...maybe she's pregnant (remember her Nookie with Jack the night before the Ajira flight?). So that would make her Jacob's secret weapon. Perhaps all the "island fertility issue" talk is just a farce in the long con because actually a pregnant candidate would be a checkmate in the endgame. Tawaret will rise again.

Heck I'll throw in a crazy, crazy idea...maybe she's pregnant (remember her Nookie with Jack the night before the Ajira flight?). So that would make her Jacob's secret weapon. Perhaps all the "island fertility issue" talk is just a farce in the long con because actually a pregnant candidate would be a checkmate in the endgame. Tawaret will rise again.

Through out last season and before this season started I thought there would be a reveal that Kate and Jack were going to have a baby.I even still had that theory back in Lighthouse because Hurley made a comment about how he thought Jack and Kate were going to get married and have a dozen kids.But since we've hardly seen Kate up until these last couple of episodes,I've started to doubt that she is pregnant.That would be a great twist though.

I think it is odd that Kate isn't a candidate.It doesn't make any sense why Jacob bothered to visit her as a child only to not include her as a candidate.A couple of things always come to my mind when thinking about why Kate's not a candidate.The first thing is that back in season one's episode Born to Run, we get this seemingly unimportant shot of Kate's Ohio licence plate.The plate reads 'The Heart of it all'. I've always thought that Kate was the island's heart.She certainly is guided by her heart alot.I think Kate is very important.The submarine blast killed 2 candidates(maybe 3 depending on how you view the Kwon candidate) but some how Kate survived.If she was unimportant she'd be dead.(I'm not saying Sun,Jin or Sayid are unimportant.But a non-candidate like Kate should be unimportant.)

Another thing that strikes me about Kate not being a candidate but being left alive is that if something were to happen to Kate it could seriously jeopardize Jack and Sawyer as candidates.We saw how Jack quickly got on the submarine in order to care for Kate.We also saw how quickly Sawyer lost sight of the world and his importance to the island in the wake of Juliet's death.I think if Jack (or Sawyer) had lost Kate it would have been devastating and could have changed how they reacted to being a candidate.

My main theory on why Kate is important but not a candidate is that she may be the one to kill Flocke.Kate's dad said she had murder in her heart.The candidates can't kill themselves and I don't think they can kill MIB,just like MIB can't directly kill them.But is there something about Kate that would enable her to kill Flocke,but in doing so she also makes it so she can never be a candidate to inherit the island.

I hope they tell us why Kate's not a candidate.Kate's still my favorite character so I hope she ends up playing some kind of important role in the story.

Macainickle

Heck I'll throw in a crazy, crazy idea...maybe she's pregnant (remember her Nookie with Jack the night before the Ajira flight?). So that would make her Jacob's secret weapon. Perhaps all the "island fertility issue" talk is just a farce in the long con because actually a pregnant candidate would be a checkmate in the endgame. Tawaret will rise again.
Her being pregnant would be an intriguing idea. Maybe the Austen that is a candidate is the one in her belly?

If you remember, back in season 1, Kate was somewhat naked(underwear) on a couple of occasions. And in season 2(or 3), her attire for runway construction left little to the imagination.(so much so, that Josh Holloway commented on the Lost DVD commentary track that "Cleavie" became a star of many episodes.) There's no way she could be a candidate with a body like that, a body for sin.

It may just be that Jacob does not want to possess a female body. As a Quantum Leap fan. I know Sam never could adjust to being a female.

i like this kate-pregnancy theory. maybe their candidacy becomes voided or passed on with childbirth/conception? it would explain also why claire's name was crossed off, and if jin was the candidate of the 2 kwons (maybe their not-be-married in the alt was meant to remind us sun was only a kwon by marriage), that's issues of candidacy AND island childbirth mysteries addressed simultaneously.

i like this kate-pregnancy theory. maybe their candidacy becomes voided or passed on with childbirth/conception? it would explain also why claire's name was crossed off, and if jin was the candidate of the 2 kwons (maybe their not-be-married in the alt was meant to remind us sun was only a kwon by marriage), that's issues of candidacy AND island childbirth mysteries addressed simultaneously.

You carried my crazy theory to a new level! I love the extended interpretations...there's some plausibility to all this.

Flocke's continual underestimation of Kate is so going to come back to bite him in the ***.

She is a candidate in the lighthouse, MiB is wrong. And, if not, I dont see an explanation.
To me the real cuestion is, what are the candidates?

Flocke's continual underestimation of Kate is so going to come back to bite him in the ***.

I hope so.

Could the reason why a candidate has been crossed off (except for dying) have to do with choices or actions made on the island in the past seasons? Have there been actions by Kate which make her unfit as a candidate?

I agree but honestly I hope we're both wrong. I just don't like Kate anymore and would hate for her to be the key to everything. Out of all of the survivors, she became the most two dimensional over the last couple of seasons imo.

^ I completely agree with you.

Kate is crossed off because she didn't change in the Flash sideways other reality. Everyone else proved Jacob's theory that people could be different if given different circumstances, except Kate. So she is just "bad to the bone" and not worthy of being a candidate.

Kate claims to be innocent in the parallel. Without knowing if that is true or not it's impossible to say if she has changed. If she is bad to the bone, why would she put herself at risk to help Claire?

I just had a thought. What if only the 815-ers that can communicate with the dead can be candidates.
Hurley, Jack, Sun (not Jin), Sawyer (when he saw the small boy with Flocke), Sayid? (don't remember if he ever saw a dead person) and Locke.
To the best of my knowledge, Kate has never seen an dead person.
Maybe?

But she saw a dead horse.

And again remember, she wasn't crossed off at the lighthouse. Jacob was still watching her.

Kate claims to be innocent in the parallel. Without knowing if that is true or not it's impossible to say if she has changed. If she is bad to the bone, why would she put herself at risk to help Claire?

Just because Kate does a brave act means that she has changed. All the people in the parallel have changed 180 degrees while Kate is still on the run from the law. Jacob is showing that for these non Kate people it is the previous circumstances that made them do bad things but at heart they were pure and good. But with Kate different circumstances = same result therefore not pure at heart.

I don't agree they've changed 180. James Ford definitely still has issues with Cooper. Locke still has major father issues and is so riddled with guilt he punishes himself by living in a wheelchair. Sayid has just been arrested on murder charges. Rose Nadler has terminal cancer.

But she saw a dead horse.

And again remember, she wasn't crossed off at the lighthouse. Jacob was still watching her.
Was the horse dead? I thought it came from the Hydra Island.. like the polar bear.

But what about Sayid? did he ever see anyone dead?

I don't know what to think about that horse. I'll believe anything. It's Smokey, it's a stray, it's a hallucination...it's all the same to me. This is the same episode where a dead Wayne McCreepypants spoke through a delirious Sawyer. My guess is the two were related.

I don't know what to think about that horse. I'll believe anything. It's Smokey, it's a stray, it's a hallucination...it's all the same to me. This is the same episode where a dead Wayne McCreepypants spoke through a delirious Sawyer. My guess is the two were related.
Who is dead Wayne McCreepypants? Someone spoke through Sawyer??? when?

Who is dead Wayne McCreepypants? Someone spoke through Sawyer??? when?

From What Kate Did:


KATE: You hungry? I'm just going to mash you up some fruit here. When you wake up you're going to get a kick out of me feeding you like a baby. I saw a horse. Yeah, that's what happens when you don't sleep.
[Sawyer starts to stir and whisper.]
SAWYER: [whispers something unintelligible]
KATE: Sawyer? Are you awake?
SAWYER: [whispers something unintelligible]
KATE: What?
[Sawyer opens his eyes and grabs Kate's throat.]
SAWYER: [whispering] Why did you kill me? [yelling] Why did you kill me?

Even though she may be crossed out as a Jacob-candidate, she could still be important for something else?

At this point candidates are dropping like flies, so it doesn't seem to matter much if she's a candidate or not. It didn't save the rest of the 300 or so candidates.

I think that maybe she was crossed off after she the committed cold blooded murder of her dad?

We know that other candidates have committed cold blooded murder. Could it be "who" they murdered? In Kate's case it was her step-dad. You could be right.

It's wrong to kill an abusive step-dad and okay to kill a complete stranger? Where is the logic in that?

Avius:

Re: What Kate Did. I had a sudden vision of Kate killing Sawyer in the Alt.

Avius:

Re: What Kate Did. I had a sudden vision of Kate killing Sawyer in the Alt.

Well, there is that. I mean, that would really validate the writers' foresight here.

and be a powerful counterpoint to their relationship in the OT.

It's wrong to kill an abusive step-dad and okay to kill a complete stranger? Where is the logic in that?
I agree. Sawyer killed a stranger and is still on the list. Kate killed an abusive step-father. I am not even sure I consider that wrong. If someone was abusing my mother I might be compelled to kill them. It has to be another reason. Maybe something she is going to do in the ATL?

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm way off on this one but here's my latest thought. I think Kate and Sawyer are both still in need of redemption and I think their redemption is going to be tied up with each other. I.E. I think they may both die but will do so for and with each other in acts of selflessness (which imo is something they've both struggled with). I do not think that the ultimate "twist" of Lost will involve them much more beyond that.

We know that other candidates have committed cold blooded murder. Could it be "who" they murdered? In Kate's case it was her step-dad. You could be right.

As others have pointed out on this thread, Jacob himself said of those brought to the island "their past doesn't matter." Tabula Rasa...Clean Slate...I don't think being a candidate has anything to do with who they may have killed before they came to the island.

But I do think the topic of this thread is an intriguing question. We are being led to believe that all arrows are pointed toward Jack, but it could be just a mislead and Kate (or my guess Hurley) end up playing a very important role in the end.

I think MIB is wrong about her, and this may be a "loophole" that ruins his plan.
This has been what I've been thiniking as well.
Éowyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éowyn) That does sound a LOT like Kate!

Sadly Kate's purpose has been to motivate Jack and Sawyer. Season 3; the only reason why either of these leaders did anything was for her. Her name may be scratched off the cave wall but she is needed still for these two to complete what they have been brough to the island to do. I can see the writers doing this but it woul dbe disappointing if they did.
When James told her that her name was scratched off the cave wall, he told her in low enougg tones that Hurley didn't hear him apparently. I believe if Hurley had heard, he would have mentioned that her name wasn't crossed off in the Lighthouse.

Kate and John had one thing in common...when it comes to bloodlines, Kate is not an Austin and John is not a Locke. Maybe that is the loophole and Kate is to Jacob what John is to the MiB. I don't believe Kate is out of the running yet.

What I found interesting was Kate's reaction to it. We're to assume that Sawyer told her about the cave off camera based on what he said.

SAWYER: Feel like we're running in circles? Back in these cages... except last time the gun was to my head.
KATE: He wouldn't have killed me, James.
SAWYER: That cave I told you about... where all the names were written... your name was there too. But it was crossed out. He doesn't need you, Kate.


But how does Kate come to the conclusion that Widmore wouldn't shoot her based on the cave with names. Apparently Sawyer hadn't told her her name was there yet since he added that to this explanation. Seem a bit weird to anyone else? I'm sure Sawyer didn't tell Kate it was Widmore's cave. There doesn't seem to be anything on the show tying Widmore and Locke together as partners in any way. Quite the opposite actually. So how does our Kate come to the conclusion that Widmore wouldn't shoot her based soley on Sawyer telling her about a cave with names written on it's wall?

But that's not all. Sawyer comes to that conclusion as well. Because your name is crossed out on crazy-smoke-monster-turned-old-bald-guy cave wall, somehow that equals Widmore not needing you. I suppose, but seems like a pretty thin stretch from the characters point of view.

But that's still not all. After Sawyer tells her this, she actually looks a bit sad about it (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1548-172.html).

What. The. Heck? What do these characters know that we don't? Is this just meta-knowledge somehow being transferred from us the viewers to the characters for expedience sake? Or even worse, meta-knowledge being filled in for us by characters that don't really know it?

I don't get it. :undecide:

I think she is crossed off because she has a job off Island. Her job is to raise Aaron. Only one Kwon was on the list, assuming that they weren't both on due to having a child off Island to raise. Claire is insane and Aaron does not even know her. I think she was removed at the point that she became a parent (although not biological) to Aaron.

Kate was conned.. did you see the look on her face when she heard she was not on the list? I think someone pulled the same thing on her that they did to ben...told her she was important so she would do what they needed :)

I'm willing to go with this explanation...given the lack of development of her character...