...unimportant.

Think about it. People want the name of his brother, the child born just after Jacob. The very same person who about 30 years later died. So it doesn't matter if they named him Locke, Walt, Aaron or Vincent (:biggrin:), the fact is that person is dead.
What people want is the name of the smoke monster itself.

This is my theory:
The smoke monster (separate entity to Jacobs brother) is like a car (sorry, can't think of a better analogy). Sitting in the light it is powerful yet useless without someone to control it....a driver if you will.
When Jacobs brother floats into the light, the smoke monster consumes his energy/life/soul/whatever and discards his body. That soul is now the "driver" of the car.
Now in the same way that a guy called Geoff owns a car, the car isn't called Geoff, it is Geoffs car. If Jacobs brother were called Tom, it wouldn't mean the smoke monster is called Tom, rather it would be Toms smoke monster. So his brother is controlling it, but they are two separate things.
When the monster talks about wanting to leave the island, again, if someone were inside a car and talked to you, it isn't the car talking to you, it's the person inside it.
Perhaps all the people it has consumed (Yemi, Christian, Locke) are other "passengers" in the vehicle/weapon and occasionally we hear their voices coming through as well as Jacobs brother (Locke and his don't tell me what I can't do).

To me this can end in a few ways:
1) The monster is somehow destroyed and all "occupants" are set free.
2) The "driver" is destroyed and another person takes control of the monster - Perhaps this is what Widmore wants...to destroy the current driver to take control of the monster himself
3) Jacobs brother gets what he wants, he leaves the island, perhaps still as the smoke monster, and setting in motion the island sinking that we saw in LA EX

I know this still has plot holes and discrepancies but lets face it, even the answer we get in the finale won't be watertight and will still have something for someone to pick at.

Let's be honest, if his brother were given the name Fred in the episode, immediately people would be on wikipedia looking for a link from Fred to an ancient Egyptian god or did Fred do anything in the bible. Perhaps TPTB thought that as the name isn't actually important, don't give him one as it will only be researched to shreds for no reason.
It might also explain why Richard only said "it's you" (or words to that effect) on seeing the monster as Locke. The monster doesn't have a name and that is what he was referring to, not Locke or Jacobs brother or anyone else.

My pennys worth anyway :)

One other thing, Jacob didn't kill his brother. More likely he was knocked unconscious when thrown to the ground and the water took him into the light where the monster killed him.

I actually started a similar thread and have seen a few others do the same. I completely agree and dont feel that the SMoke Monster began when Jacobs brother went down that whole, he was just given a body.

I too think the smoke monster already existed when MiB went down the rabbit hole. I think the smoke monster killed the "others". I remember Danielle saying that it was sort of a security system. I think when MiB fell down the hole that the smoke monster was not allowed to let him die and did the only thing it could by incorporating MiB into itself.

It's not so much that the actual name of MIB is so important. It's the fact that the writers continue to play mind games with us by refusing to disclose it. This attitude, an arrogant and self absorbed one in my opinion, is what has guided Season 6 and made it so painful to watch.

It's not so much that the actual name of MIB is so important. It's the fact that the writers continue to play mind games with us by refusing to disclose it. This attitude, an arrogant and self absorbed one in my opinion, is what has guided Season 6 and made it so painful to watch.

I fail to see how it is arrogance to allow the WRITERS to tell the STORY the way they wish to do so. When I read a book and have to wait to the end to see what happens, I don't think that is the author's arrogance. That's just how storytelling works.

If you truly feel this way, then please, turn off the TV and quit watching. There, problem solved.

As for me, I love LOST and I have loved this season as much as all the others, and I can't wait to see how it all ends. Then again, I am one of the few who loved how King ended the Dark Tower series, and I loved the boldness of the Sopranos ending, so I could be in the minority here LOL.

this could be the best explanation IF Smokie and Nameless are NOT the same thing... We still don't know that, though....

this could be the best explanation IF Smokie and Nameless are NOT the same thing... We still don't know that, though....


We may never know. :frown: I refuse to give up hope til the last moment.

this could be the best explanation IF Smokie and Nameless are NOT the same thing... We still don't know that, though....

The biggest clue is the destruction of the village. There is no way that one or two people could have done that on their own. To me, that indicates that Smokey existed and functioned prior to the MIB being pushed down the stream into the "light." A fate worse than death seems to be the "theft" of one's being (appearance, voice, memories, etc) to be used by what in the end is "evil incarnate." In other words, the MIB became another in a long line of people that Smokey could use after death.

Something like this could be very possible... Maybe that will be Locke's reward in the end; He will become the smoke monster, and stay on the island willingly and protect it. They always said the monster was the islands security system. But the current security guard wants to clock out and go home...

We may never know. :frown: I refuse to give up hope til the last moment.

Don't worry, on May 23rd after the finale, you can just give up the rest of your hope at that point. I am really disappointed with where the show has gone. It feels like they are just digging a ditch effort to keep it alive for a couple more shows. Are we even going to find out why the ALT universe, etc.

Actually, I'm hoping that, in the last few minutes of the finale, the Man in Black will step forward and say, "Hello, I'm Johnny Cash!"

Then kill 'em all.

I think it is hysterical that someone would call the writers "arrogant" for not naming a character in their own story!

The most interesting thing said here is by Fierro. We don't have visual proof that Brother and Smokey are the same entity. In fact, they specifically avoid showing anyone transform from Smokey.....as far as I remember....ever. It is still possible that Brother and Smokey are two separate entities, and Brother can be a passenger, or unleasher of this entity.

I could have sworn Mother said his name right after he stabbed her. It sounded like she said "Uthe"...or was she just starting to say "thank you"? I've been looking up Uthi, Uti and any name that might match what I thought I heard her say. Had to be something in Latin though, right?

as others said, i dont see it being arrogant.
if they had, for example, had the mother say "his name is tom" then instantly there would be a group of "thats a rubbish name, he should be called locke" people who believe the name should signify something more. there would also be another group of people who instantly go off hunting for connections between tom and references to sci-fi books or star wars or the bible.
as they killed the character of his brother off, is the name really important? I could understand if someone like Desmond hadnt had his name mentioned this whole time, but if we had seen Desmond in one episode, he was killed then only references to his thoughts and form were brought up, his name isn't that important.

It's like some people would only be happy if the birth scene had been more :
"his name is jacob"
"theres another one, whats his name"
"oh his name is joseph, im naming him joseph in reference to the bible. also on wikipedia you will see that one day a man named joseph will conquer the world through doing evil, but i hope my baby wont be like that"

Same as people wanting to know what the smoke monster is. Well in a way we've had answers to the point of it being a security system, etc. But some people will want a scientific explanation of how electrically charged nano particles can move about an island and consume light and blah blah. People cry "midichlorians" when the writers explain things in detail, then moan when the answers they get aren't specific enough.
If we'd had a back story to the island mother, it could have shown her being told the same things, so the question is then who told THAT person. If we'd had a flashback to the very first person learning it, then the question is so how did others get to the island to be told.

Let's be honest, we've at least got to see a show through to a finale. Most shows nowadays don't even make it that far and get cut after a few seasons. So even though the answers may not be what we wanted, it's better than Lost being cancelled just as Locke went into the hatch and you never found out about anything at all.....ever.... :biggrin:

...unimportant.

Think about it. People want the name of his brother, the child born just after Jacob. The very same person who about 30 years later died. So it doesn't matter if they named him Locke, Walt, Aaron or Vincent (:biggrin:), the fact is that person is dead.
What people want is the name of the smoke monster itself.

This is my theory:
The smoke monster (separate entity to Jacobs brother) is like a car (sorry, can't think of a better analogy). Sitting in the light it is powerful yet useless without someone to control it....a driver if you will.
When Jacobs brother floats into the light, the smoke monster consumes his energy/life/soul/whatever and discards his body. That soul is now the "driver" of the car.
Now in the same way that a guy called Geoff owns a car, the car isn't called Geoff, it is Geoffs car. If Jacobs brother were called Tom, it wouldn't mean the smoke monster is called Tom, rather it would be Toms smoke monster. So his brother is controlling it, but they are two separate things.
When the monster talks about wanting to leave the island, again, if someone were inside a car and talked to you, it isn't the car talking to you, it's the person inside it.
Perhaps all the people it has consumed (Yemi, Christian, Locke) are other "passengers" in the vehicle/weapon and occasionally we hear their voices coming through as well as Jacobs brother (Locke and his don't tell me what I can't do).

To me this can end in a few ways:
1) The monster is somehow destroyed and all "occupants" are set free.
2) The "driver" is destroyed and another person takes control of the monster - Perhaps this is what Widmore wants...to destroy the current driver to take control of the monster himself
3) Jacobs brother gets what he wants, he leaves the island, perhaps still as the smoke monster, and setting in motion the island sinking that we saw in LA EX

I know this still has plot holes and discrepancies but lets face it, even the answer we get in the finale won't be watertight and will still have something for someone to pick at.

Let's be honest, if his brother were given the name Fred in the episode, immediately people would be on wikipedia looking for a link from Fred to an ancient Egyptian god or did Fred do anything in the bible. Perhaps TPTB thought that as the name isn't actually important, don't give him one as it will only be researched to shreds for no reason.
It might also explain why Richard only said "it's you" (or words to that effect) on seeing the monster as Locke. The monster doesn't have a name and that is what he was referring to, not Locke or Jacobs brother or anyone else.

My pennys worth anyway :)

One other thing, Jacob didn't kill his brother. More likely he was knocked unconscious when thrown to the ground and the water took him into the light where the monster killed him.


Here's how I see it- most people seem to have accepted that we don't have a name for the island- I don't see a lot of people complaining week after week that we haven't learned its name yet. Maybe it has one, maybe it doesn't. The thing is, we all know what we mean when we say "the island" since there is one agreed upon island that is referred to in that way (hence- "Hydra Island" for the other one). But since there are many characters, it is difficult to discuss one that does not have a name, which is why people get frustrated, I think...

Just don't call him Esau. Thank god they didn't name him that.

Just don't call him Esau. Thank god they didn't name him that.

That's why he doesn't have a name. Everyone theorized exactly where they were going with it 20 mins after the season 5 finale aired. "OH NO! REWRITE!!!!"

Actually, I'm hoping that, in the last few minutes of the finale, the Man in Black will step forward and say, "Hello, I'm Johnny Cash!"

Then kill 'em all.

That would be sofa king awesome!!!!

Maybe, the name IS important and thats why they are hiding it. Why else, would they not disclose it. Maybe his name is everything?? Think on that for a while...

It may not be arrogance, exactly, but it does strike me as a silly mind game. I can't conceive of any possible way that the MiB's name could be important at this point. He's either dead, or he's the Smoke Monster, so does knowing his name really add anything? And if not, why can't we just know?

That said, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other if they give him a name. After this season is over I'll have no reason to talk about him anyway.

Let's be honest, if his brother were given the name Fred in the episode, immediately people would be on wikipedia looking for a link from Fred to an ancient Egyptian god or did Fred do anything in the bible.


So he is The Man Without a Name.... dressed in black......

You can look him up in Wikipedia and theorize to your heart's extent.

He is obviously Uomo senza nome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man_with_no_name) or The Man With No Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man_with_no_name)

Would you put an Eastwood reference past them?

It's the J factor.

Jack, James, John, Jacob... how about Joseph?

Just a thought :rolleyes:

So he is The Man Without a Name.... dressed in black......


Man in black? His name is Sue, how do you do? The credit goes to fuselage member Pov:

http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?p=2344246#post2344246

From Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue," with a minor alteration (in bold) :

And she said, "Son, this world is rough,
And if a man's gonna make it he's gotta be tough,
And I know I wouldn't be there to help you along.

So I gave that name and I said goodbye,
I knew you'd have to get tough or die,
And it's that name what helped to make you strong.

Now you just fought one hell of a fight,
And I know you hate me and ya got the right,
To kill me now and I wouldn't blame you if you do.

But you oughtta thank me before I die,
For the gravel in your gut and the spit in your eye,
'Cause I'm the ------- that named you Sue."

(FYI for the Mods: That is only twenty percent of this song.)


Rumpelstiltskin
Bibby (Boy In Black)
NAMastE
MisterTibbs! ("They call me...")
Mr. Ed ("Hello, I'm...")


My mind is made up. His name is Sue... um, or it could be:

Yes, this is my final answer, Regis. (http://www.sanerapdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Hello-My-Name-Is-Irrelevant.png)

...No, wait a minute. I don't like that answer....Can we poll the audience, Reeg?

I thought his name was Two. In The Incident, Jacob told him "Nice talking to you, Two."

*runs and hides*

What is the matter with you people his name is George..... :eek2: