do you guys think that kate is having a good influence on sun or a bad influence on sun? for example, the poisoning was kate's idea....i don't think that sun would have actually carried it out if it wasn't for kate's influence on her.

.i don't think that sun would have actually carried it out if it wasn't for kate's influence on her. I completely think she is influencing Sun. But bad or good, i'm not so sure. It's not really a sun type of thing to do but maybe deep down she wanted to do it all along. Kate just egged her on

I just think of it like this, when you have already done everything but sign the papers on a new car, and then a friend tells you that it is a great deal that you will get when you buy it. That is all the incentive that you would need to get to the dealership ASAP! I think that Sun had already "purchased the car", but Kate put the "keys in her hands" 8)

I think Kate was definitely influencing Sun in the poisoning incident. Sun is a very strong person, but I believe she's also very trusting...and she puts faith in her friends. And she and kate seemed to have really bonded. I don't think Kate forced her into anything...but the fact that Kate was behind her and helped her out...was a big factor in Sun's decision to go through with it

Poisoning your husband is a big deal...even if it's not fatal...and I'm SURE that Sun doubted whether she should do it and questions the morality of it all

She probably needed the encouragement from Kate to decide that it was worth it.

I think it's too early to tell yet how much of an impact Kate will have on Sun overall but I agree that she definitely influenced Sun to poison Jin. She didn't offer Sun advice with the sincere intention of helping her; she used her as an agent to help Kate achieve her agenda. I think that's a pretty lousy thing to do to a friend and I hope that it was more of an act of desperation than a precursor to her manipulating Sun and others to get what she wants.

I'm just kind of wondering how Sun is going to feel about Kate when she finds out that Kate is a fugitive. I think that's going to be a pretty hot topic in camp. Also, when she puts that together with what Kate told her about being on her way to Bali, yet she was on a flight bound for L.A., that ought to raise some red flags for Sun.

lol, they're probably not going to make reference to Kate being a fugitive again (the way they've not
referred to other situations that happened) so we won't get a chance to see how Sun will respond.
Altho I do think if it comes up, Sun will be understanding. She is a good friend, and I think unlike
some of the others who shunned Kate, she will wait for all of the facts.

See the funny thing is that you'd think that with the scene that Sawyer 'caused on the beach...that everyone would already know about it by the end of the day. I mean you'd assume that the people there would go tell everyone else. Gossip travels!!! lol...For a second during Sun's converstation with Kate I thought she may have been trying to make Kate feel guilty by saying "you were only trying to help me", when she had learned that Kate was only out for herself. But I just didn't get that impression overall.

Weird...

I think Sun knows. She needs a pal out there since her "slip up" of speaking english. She kept that a secret for a long time, and I think she will keep Kate's part in the poisoning a secret fro some time as well. However, if Kate uses her again, Sun wont let it go. She will be wanting answers ASAP! 8)

I think Sun knows.

I'm not sure she does. She has been avoiding the beach. The only person she spoke to about the poisoning issue was Jack. Jack didn't tell Sun that Kate had been blamed. He also hasn't set anyone straight. If he did that, I think Sun might hear it. Then it would probably come out that Kate was behind it also. Right now, I think Jack is happy with the Kate's status within the group now. If he's the only one who doesn't believe she did it, that makes him Kate's only friend so to speak.

ya, i wonder if Sun knows that Kate was blamed for it. Well, anyway it's probably the last thing on everyone's mind with the raft thing and all. Season 2 is only a few months away!

I didn't get the sense that Sun was aware of Kate's motives either when she told Kate that she was just trying to be a good friend. Kate looked all guilty but Sun didn't seem to be intentionally trying to make her feel that way.

yup, and i think that kate wasn't really trying to help Sun. I think she wasnted a spot on that raft so badly so she persuaded Sun to poison Jin which would leave an open spot for her to grab. I think she was being selfish but Sun tries to find the good side of ppl and she told herself that Kate was trying to help her fix a broken relationship!!

Well Kate was thinking of herself yes....but I don't think it's fair to say that she wasn't trying to help Sun also. Way before the poisoning incident Kate and Sun were bonding...and kate had taken the time to listen to Sun's problems on several occasions. They have a real friendship...but I think that Kate is the kind of person who isn't above abusing her real friendships if she's desperate. I think she genuinely cares about Sun and did want her to work things out with Jin...but she also saw an opportunity to help herself, and that probably made her exert more influence over Sun's choices.

No matter how Kate apperas to befiend Sun, her moto will always be, "I'm out for #1". She will do anything to get what she wants.

No matter how Kate apperas to befiend Sun, her moto will always be, "I'm out for #1". She will do anything to get what she wants.

I agree w/ u on the aspect. But i think it has something to do with the way she was raised. Remember when she and Tpom opened p that time capsule, they found that tape ecorder. And she said something abut going to a far off place and Tom responded by sayiong, "Kate, you always want to run away." Something huge must have happened to Kate during her childhood to make her act ike that. Hopefully Sun will see through her and not become to attatched to her. As lonjg as she is friendsly w/ her she ill be ok. I think it was a bod move on Sun to try poisoning Jin., nd look what happened...she poisoned the wrong person! :o

I think Sun has known for a while that Kate was the fugitive....remember Kate and Jack's conversation in the caves in WTCMB? They didn't yet know that Sun speaks English, and they talked rather freely in front of her. Kate mentioned the marshal who was escorting her, and the camera did pan to Sun's face, showing that she was taking in their conversation. So, I don't think Kate's being 'outted' will have any affect on Sun's attitude towards Kate.

Now....did Kate influence Sun to drug Jin? Oh yeah. Was it self serving? Obviously. But, that is not to say that there wasn't some part of her that was thinking "Hey, this could help Sun keep Jin here, and get me what I want at the same time". Win-win for all involved. The thing is.....look at Kate's face when Sun says that Kate did nothing wrong, that she was only helping a friend. Kate felt guilt, she felt remorse that she had used someone she was close to for her own gain. Using people is how Kate has always gotten by, but that's not to say that she wants to do so, the expression on her face contradicts that. I don't think there will be a problem with Kate trying to be a bad influence on Sun.....I don't believe she likes herself very much in those moments when she takes advantage of people who care about her, and that's one of the issues that she will have to work on.

I think Sun has known for a while that Kate was the fugitive....remember Kate and Jack's conversation in the caves in WTCMB? They didn't yet know that Sun speaks English, and they talked rather freely in front of her. Kate mentioned the marshal who was escorting her, and the camera did pan to Sun's face, showing that she was taking in their conversation. So, I don't think Kate's being 'outted' will have any affect on Sun's attitude towards Kate.

Now....did Kate influence Sun to drug Jin? Oh yeah. Was it self serving? Obviously. But, that is not to say that there wasn't some part of her that was thinking "Hey, this could help Sun keep Jin here, and get me what I want at the same time". Win-win for all involved. The thing is.....look at Kate's face when Sun says that Kate did nothing wrong, that she was only helping a friend. Kate felt guilt, she felt remorse that she had used someone she was close to for her own gain. Using people is how Kate has always gotten by, but that's not to say that she wants to do so, the expression on her face contradicts that. I don't think there will be a problem with Kate trying to be a bad influence on Sun.....I don't believe she likes herself very much in those moments when she takes advantage of people who care about her, and that's one of the issues that she will have to work on.
hm...you have sum great points about that, but I think it was ultimately Kate's desire to get onto the raft!! She was so desperatre that she'd o to extreme measures and convince/persuade Sun to try to poison Jin. (lol, it's actually a good idea for her hehe). If the plan would've been successful, than it would've been a win-win situation for them both!! Sun would still be with Jin and Kate would get a spot on that raft!! well, at least Sun can be thankful that the Others blew up the raft and kidnapped Walt, cuz now they have to return to the island and warn everybody about them and rescue Walt!!! ;) ;) ;) :angel: