After opening the time capsule, Tom says something like "i don't know how you talked me into putting in my plane." Kate responds by saying it was his idea...

I wonder if Kate is lying (again). If Tom's recollection is correct, then Kate could have been hiding something in the plane. Think about it - if you had something (information?) so important or dangerous that you had to make it disappear, what would you do? Especially if you knew that someday, this item could be valuable?

Bury it in a time capsule. In a container, under ground, in a secret location. Only one other person, who is implicitly trusted (and doesn't know the plane conceals a secret) knows the location. If you are disabled, incarcerated, or unable to return to the scene, you always have someone who will retrieve this item no questions asked.

Remember that Kate is a sleight of hand expert and master manipulator. If she needed to get the plane to either hide something within or inscribe a message (numbers?) she could probably do so. Then she comes up with the idea of a time capsule, and talks Tom into putting the plane in the lunchbox.

Why? The only two possibilities that occur to me are some type of information that involves why she wanted to run (as an adolescent) or under direction or duress from another party...

The 1st reason could involve some info involving abuse by a family member (much speculated) or some either damning or exculpatory* evidence involving someone close to her.

The 2nd is much more interesting. So follow me now...Kate's Dad was at some point stationed at Ft. Lewis in Washington state (base of much of our Pacific operations) http://www.lewis.army.mil/garrison/sites/local/* Perhaps he was overseas at his point, monitoring communications in South Pacific. If so, he could have been the officer that Sam Toomey and Crazy Lenny reported to, and heard the numbers. The are all kinds of flashback mayhem that could be in store for us if Kaye's Dad took the numbers home with him (the tape recording would have been about a year after the numbers broadcast). Who wouldn't want to bury the #s if you had an inkling of what they could do?

Another possibility was that Kate's Dad was stationed in South Korea. I imagine that our soldiers who man the DMZ may be rotated from Ft. Lewis. Perhaps Kate Dad had ties to Sun's father? Sun's Dad's business could have contracts with the US military, and Kate's Dad was working with him. The "Sun Family Business" could have sent a team to explore craphole island because of information about the islands' special properties and/or abandoned government research projects there. Kate's Dad's involvement could have happened with Sun's Father's knowledge - or not. He could be Army intelligence and responsible for making sure no one ever goes to craphole island...

This still doesn't explain who got the plane to new Mexico (perhap's Kate's Dad divorced and is retired there), and how Kate got access to the key for the safe deposit box. But I am* starting to think that the plane, or more specifically something in or on the plane, could be key to tying the hatch, the numbers, and transmission together. I suspect that Kate hid this information either to save herself, protect someone else, or under direction from her Father. I think that, even as a kid, she used Tom to protect the information's location. And finally, I think that even if this is all true, we won't know until...

season 4

Your theory intrigues me because it kind of fits with a theory of my own. I think, maybe, Kate is cursed too. People around her die. Wouldn't it be interesting if Kate had buried "the numbers" in that little time capsule. If the Beth that Kate mentioned was her friend, is also the Beth that Christian killed, that's kind of freakish. Tom is dead because of her. Obviously someone else is dead, that's how she got into all this trouble in the first place, whether she killed someone or not. It has to be something that serious for her mother to freak out that way seeing her and to explain the armed guard. If all of that is true I would, of course, expect that her father is dead. Anyway, it would explain why she moves around all the time, aside from being in trouble with the law. If you notice, she can't even stay in one place on the island for long. The other thing that gets me is the title Born to Run. Doesn't that really mean that she's running because of who her parent/parents was/were?

I agree, that's very intriguing.* So is the thought that she might have literally been born to run.*

Like Locke, she's been put in situations that make us feel for her -- the jerky Marshal on the plane, the farmer turning her in, getting her boyfriend shot... and like Locke, she has been helpful enough that the lostaways sort of tend to overlook her weaselier side.* (Well, and the beauty doesn't hurt there either.)* But that little stunt with the poison tipped her back into the "watch your back" category for me.

There are far too many freakish coincidences on LOST in general but that she should bury Tom Brennan's toy plane on 8/15 and then years later get stranded on the island after flight 815 goes down, there's got to be something to it.*

I still wonder if it was no coincidence at all that this was flight 815 on the 23rd.*

And tangentally I also wonder why on earth Hurley got on a flight 815 on the 23rd in 2004... was he trying to commit suicide?* * :laugh:*

Did Tom really say to Kate that he can't believe he let her talk him into burying THE PLANE? I recall him saying it more generically, as in 'I can't believe I let you talk me into this' meaning the time capsule. Guess we'll have to wait until the transcripts come out. Or someone who taped it to verify.

Second, why season 4?

Next, shootfire, what an excellent memory you have. Beth. I didn't remember that name being mentioned by Kate in BTR, let alone that it was the name of the girl that Jack's dad killed! Wait. Hold that compliment! I just went back and checked the transcripts. The only Jack episodes that the name Beth was mentioned in was when Kate found out Charlie was in Driveshaft and told him her friend Beth would freak.

And now, after closer inspection, the girl's name wasn't mentioned. That is if I'm correct in assuming that you are talking about the patient he operated on while being impaired?

As for the numbers or some other key being in/on the toy plane...we all surmise there's got to be more to the toy plane story than meets the eye. And I'm sure we'll find out - in time. Here's how I'm thinking (at the moment): In BTR they did a wonderful job of showing the parallels between the time capsule and the hatch. Now, LOST has a recurring theme of good/evil. We all know the hatch is evil, right? (or so we suppose) So, if the parallels were drawn, the hatch is evil, then my guess is the time capsule is innocent. Not saying there's not more to the story though!

Nonyabizwaz,

This is from the transcript of All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.

Jack

* * * * * * C'mon, c'mon Beth now, c'mon. C'mon back. C'm

It's the scene where he's trying to bring Beth back after his father botched the surgery. I also recorded Born to Run. Tom was specifically talking about the plane.

Second, why season 4?

Should have been less oblique in my attempt at humor. This was simply a stab at the slow pace that our mysteries are revealed...

Nonyabizwaz,

This is from the transcript of All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues.

It's the scene where he's trying to bring Beth back after his father botched the surgery. I also recorded Born to Run. Tom was specifically talking about the plane.


Interesting shootfire, where do you get your transcripts? Here's what webphilia anthology has:

(He hands the paddles back to the nurse and starts to manually pump the heart.)

JACK: Come on. Come on back now. Come on.

(He checks the monitor. There's no change. He continues to pump on the
patient's chest.)

JACK: Come on now. Come on back. Come on.

VOICE: Call it.

JACK: Come on, baby. Come back. Come back.
JACK: Come on, baby. Come on.

(The OR is silent except for the monitor flatline and Jack's persistence.)

JACK: Come on now. You can do this. Come on.
JACK: Come on.

(Jack's Dad pulls his mask down.)

CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD: Call it, Jack. It's over. Call it.

I've seen wildly varying transcripts for this show, and transcript errors that were the cause of three pages of fevered theorizing and then it turned they got it wrong.

But that aside, Beth must have been alive at the point where they got on the plane, because later Kate says something to Charlie about her friend Beth being a Driveshaft fan, right?

But Kate is on the run, when did she last speak to Beth? If there is a Beth...

CHARLIE:* I am in Driveshaft.* I play bass.

KATE:* Serious?

CHARLIE:* Yeah. Charlie. Track 3, you know, I do backing vocals.

KATE:* My friend Beth would freak.* She loves you guys.

I suppose Beth could have died while Kate was on the run, but if somebody told Kate about her mom you'd think they'd also tell her about Beth.

But that aside, Beth must have been alive at the point where they got on the plane, because later Kate says something to Charlie about her friend Beth being a Driveshaft fan, right?

Hmmm, not necessarily.....If they have prearranged dates that they make contact, Kate may only know that Beth is late. *Who does she have left to communicate to her that Beth is dead?
That may explain why Kate was willing to stay put for so long with the farmer. *She was waiting to get her communication/money. *

Interesting shootfire, where do you get your transcripts? *Here's what webphilia anthology has:

This particular transcript is Spooky's transcript. *I can't make any claims as to it's accuracy. *Maybe someone who has the episode recorded can watch for us.


suppose Beth could have died while Kate was on the run, but if somebody told Kate about her mom you'd think they'd also tell her about Beth.

...unless it was Beth who told Kate about her mother in the first place.

I can't remember when Jack did this operation, but if he botched it while Kate was in Australia, that makes sense Shootfire.

Whoops!

I can't remember when Jack did this operation, but if he botched it while Kate was in Australia, that makes sense Shootfire.

Are we talking about the same girl? I'm talking about the one that Christian botched. Jack was trying to save Daddy's bacon, and the girl's of course. ;) Since it was the surgery that prompted Christian's retreat to Australia, I think the chances are pretty good that it happened while Kate was in Oz. She stayed there for several months before she was captured didn't she?

Sorry, I meant to say that Christian botched!* *The timeline fits then, if it was the same Beth. Good job connecting that up.* :)

No problem, I read in the other thread you were sleep deprived. I think I can relate. ;) I was up really early this morning myself. Some of my thoughts probably aren't coming across as I would like.

That shot of the Ohio license plate, you know, it says "The Heart of It All," or something like that. It's been bothering me too. I know she had a trunk full of plates, but the fact that the Daily Iowegian is printed in Centerville and her Ohio tag are like little voices nagging at me. If I find out she's actually from Middletown I'm going to scream. Middletown occurred to me because residents have been claiming for years that they are getting cancer because of the Iowa Army Ammunition Plant. They believe that depleted Uranium from the plant is the source of their illnesses. Kate's mother having cancer kind of made me think of it. Anyway, paranoia is telling me that Kate is at the heart of it all, at the center, in the middle... :lol2: (at least the hatch mystery.)

And tangentally I also wonder why on earth Hurley got on a flight 815 on the 23rd in 2004... was he trying to commit suicide?* * :laugh:*


You're not kidding!* It would seem like he would have stayed there longer just to avoid getting on that particular flight, as tormented as he is by those numbers!

To respond to the question about whether Beth, Kate's friend is Beth the operation patient, you can't tell from this shot, it doesn't say that it is definitely the same person, but it also doesn't prove it isn't. From the two different shots it's hard to tell if it's the same person or not.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=450&pos=354
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=115&pos=157

But this is definitely not Tom

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=115&pos=739

So either they are not the same or Tom and Beth were not together during the flashback of Born to Run, or Beth was remarried after Born to Run. So I guess I answered nothing :lol2:

I don't think any connection has been made between Tom and Kate's friend Beth.* In fact, in BTR, Tom says something to the effect of his baby being beautiful is "all Rachel", which I assume meant his wife was the source of the kid's good looks.* In other words, wife = Rachel and not Beth.* I believe Christian's botched surgery very well could be Kate's friend Beth, but I don't think she is Tom's wife.

Kate may also not know her friend is dead..IF the patient is Beth.. The only way we will know is if there is a flashback of someone going through her stuff and they find the DriveShaft CDs or a poster.

Yeah, SARIKS, I was potty training my 2 year old when he mentioned his wife's name was Rachel. I was under the impression that Beth was his wife. Disregard my previous post :-\

Yeah, SARIKS, I was potty training my 2 year old when he mentioned his wife's name was Rachel. I was under the impression that Beth was his wife. Disregard my previous post

Ahhh, real life, the bane of the Fuse-aholic's existence....and now I must tend to some real life myself.... :lol2:

tony43221, I can relate!* The mandatory "hour of silence & no interruptions" during Lost at my house is virtually impossible with a three-year-old.* It's a miracle I did see the scene about Tom's wife! :)

"hour of silence & no interruptions"

I think my wife would laugh at that one. This is the first show that has grabbed me like this in years and it's pretty funny how absorbed I get in it. Any other show and I have no problem being interrupted, but with this show I'm all shhh and zipit!! This week I'll make sure there is a TV near the potty that will be on as well just in case my two year old needs some help again :lol2:

posting to follow. I like this idea. Tom Brennan - Brennan has the key.

wow i didn't even notice that....what kind of Dr. was he?

westjax, what didn't you notice?

As far as doctors go, Jack is a neurosurgeon. I'm not sure we are ever told Christian's specialty, just that he is Chief of Surgery. Tom Brennan, I think it's pretty solid speculation. He drives a very nice car. He's able to get MRI's scheduled as favors. He obviously works at the hospital, he's wearing scrubs most of the time. I don't think we're ever told he is a doctor but I may have just missed it.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=115&pos=739

This is the screencap of the husband of the supposed "Beth" from ATBCHDI. I just reviewed my tape of BTR, and this man could be the same guy that is carrying luggage out to the red van at Kate's motel. (couldn't find a screencap from BTR of him for comparison). If this is the same guy, does that mean Kate is tailing her friend's husband?

westjax, what didn't you notice?

As far as doctors go, Jack is a neurosurgeon. I'm not sure we are ever told Christian's specialty, just that he is Chief of Surgery. Tom Brennan, I think it's pretty solid speculation. He drives a very nice car. He's able to get MRI's scheduled as favors. He obviously works at the hospital, he's wearing scrubs most of the time. I don't think we're ever told he is a doctor but I may have just missed it.


yeah i knew what jack was...i should have clarified my question. i just wanted to know if anyone caught what field of medicine Tom was in.

There is a screenshot flying around somewhere on the 'lage of Kate's (or rather: Tom's) toy airplane with the number 5025 engraved on it... It's also mentioned in the "Tiberius" thread in General Theories.

Now I'm thinking: if Tom Brennan is connected to "Brennan has the key," and the plane is supposed to be the key... what if the numbers 5025 are the key? (that's a whole lotta "key" in that sentence there... :) )

Ok... If 5025 is the key... it's the key to WHAT? To open the hatch? To unscramble the numbers to reveal some hidden meaning?

I speculated in another thread (but no one was interested :-\) that the numbers could be a combination to something...like a PIN number. Perhaps it opens the hatch- perhaps something else.

I speculated in another thread (but no one was interested ) that the numbers could be a combination to something...like a PIN number. Perhaps it opens the hatch- perhaps something else.

Hee hee, Sam Grant and I are talking about it now in the mirror thread. Sometimes you're just so far ahead of us it takes us a while to catch up.... :lol2:

ooops i didn't see this post before i made mine in the spoilers thoery forum

Brennan has the key (or Brandon) was stated in Danielle's distress call

since we were shown Danielle's jacket, in solitary, with a large "ROUSSEAU" printed on it, it is rather obvious that on that team people would be called by their last names
So the Brannon (i like to call him Brandann since i really don't know if it's Brandon or Brennan) could be Tom's father

the plane could be the key

also note that Kate is about the only survivor who has had major key issues over the course of the season (handcuffs, Halliburton, safe deposit box, key stolen when she sedated Jack)

also as i noted in the spoilers theory thread
Locke => Hatch => lock (similarity between Locke and lock)
Kate => key (start with the same letter, both short words, and pretty similar actually)

also note that Jack was supposed to get killed in the pilot episode, and they decided to keep him on the show
If he had been killed, Kate would have been the lead character. That would seem logical that she is the one who holds the "secret"
The hatch seems to play a big role in the "big secret"
Kate may have the key to this secret, and it may have been transferred to her in the form of this small toy plane

also note that Kate is about the only survivor who has had major key issues over the course of the season (handcuffs, Halliburton, safe deposit box, key stolen when she sedated Jack)

also as i noted in the spoilers theory thread
Locke => Hatch => lock (similarity between Locke and lock)



I like it!

wow i didn't even notice that....what kind of Dr. was he?

Westjax, I think Tom is a radiologist. After watching BTR again, Tom tells Kate his office is "right back here." He says it as he is leaving the MRI scanning room. MRI scanners are usually located in the Radiology Department. There is also a point, right before he leaves, that we should be able to read his nametag if we can find a good screencap. I guess I have chosen my mission for today. :laugh:

I guess I have chosen my mission for today.* *:laugh:


good luck. thanks for the info.

Westjax, I think Tom is a radiologist.* After watching BTR again, Tom tells Kate his office is "right back here."* He says it as he is leaving the MRI scanning room.* MRI scanners are usually located in the Radiology Department.* There is also a point, right before he leaves, that we should be able to read his nametag if we can find a good screencap.* I guess I have chosen my mission for today.* *:laugh:


Looked at the caps on Lost-media can't read it but If they ever get the HDTV ones up we'll have a better chance.

On the Mirror thread. The plane, when it first comes out of the time capsule doesn't have the numbers on it. It is only on the caps that we see of the plane on the Island that we see the numbers on it.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=450&pos=704

Also someone says it looks like John Locke's name on the baseball. We also see a Mandy and a few other names that can't really be made out. The tape case is in the backseat also.

Looked at the caps on Lost-media can't read it but If they ever get the HDTV ones up we'll have a better chance.

That was my experience also.

Also someone says it looks like John Locke's name on the baseball. We also see a Mandy and a few other names that can't really be made out. The tape case is in the backseat also.

Sam Grant, we must be on the same page today. I've been looking at that stuff too. I was thinking about John Locke's name on the baseball. Maybe that ball was Tom's, or more importantly, Tom's father's. Didn't Locke mention having a foster brother named Tommy?

That was my experience also.*

Sam Grant, we must be on the same page today.* I've been looking at that stuff too.* I was thinking about John Locke's name on the baseball.* Maybe that ball was Tom's, or more importantly, Tom's father's.* Didn't Locke mention having a foster brother named Tommy?


In this transcript Locke doesn't mention his brother's name. I'll watch that part of DEM again. You never know.

[INT. STORE - DAY -- FLASHBACK]

(Locke is standing in front of a display table where he's set up the game board
for "Mouse Trap". He's putting the pieces together.)

(A little boy turns the corner and sees him. He walks up to Locke as Locke is
putting the green toy soldier on the board.)

(The little boy stops to watch.)

BOY: What's that?

(Locke looks at the little boy and smiles. This is a younger Locke. With
hair.)

LOCKE: A game. It's my favorite game, actually. I used to play it with my
brother. It's called 'Mouse Trap'.

It may not be there, SG.* I don't know where I got that.* There are just so many variations on the name Tom in this show.* There's Claire's Thomas, Charlie's friend Tommy, and now Tom Brennan.* Hmmm....I wonder if there's something there, or if the writers aren't keeping track of* how many times they use names.... :lol2:

Also interesting that each of them is on a different continent.

Interesting about the baseball. Been looking for a date when Mousetrap first appeared. I found a game listed for sale that is a 1963 version of the game! - Ooops I ought to take that over to the NUMERS thread!

Mandy - that's another possible name from Kate's past as well..IF the ball was signed by any of Tom's other friends.

Something else interesting, I thought. Kate says she has never been to Disneyland in I never. Now we see a Minnie Mouse keychain retrieved from the time capsule. Hmmm, I know she could have gotten the Minnie Mouse keychain anywhere, but....might she have lied? If she lied about that, what else did she lie about?

She could have gone to Disney World! ;)

I noticed the Minnie Mouse as well! I automatically started to think of possible significances - alas, I could not think of any.
Yikes! Book club time! Then LOST! :o

Whoa! I took the cap of the ball and used the negative effect on it. The name that looks like faded marker looks conspicuously like Reyes.

Westjax, I think Tom is a radiologist. After watching BTR again, Tom tells Kate his office is "right back here." He says it as he is leaving the MRI scanning room. MRI scanners are usually located in the Radiology Department. There is also a point, right before he leaves, that we should be able to read his nametag if we can find a good screencap. I guess I have chosen my mission for today. :laugh:


Radiologist's office would be down in/near radiology/MRI, but only a doctor can order the MRI (or xray, etc) and Tom was the one who called to order it. Of course that may not necessarily mean anything on LOST. When he called, did he say he was Dr. Brennan or did he say he was Tom?

When he called, did he say he was Dr. Brennan or did he say he was Tom?

I'll rewatch that part and see. All the same, if he was talking to another doctor he most likely would have said Tom. Radiologists don't just go around ordering MRIs on people, especially other people's patients. There would have to be some kind of explanation given. Tom said it was a favor for the friend of a friend. Hmmmm.....

Tom says, "Hey Adam, it's Tom. Can you carve out some time for me on the MRI?"

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=419
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=423
Plane in Exo1 . Where's the 5025

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=426 maybe on the bottom?

It's been seen both top and bottom

I dredged up this old thread because I was pondering some issues raised in the promo/commercial for season 2, the scene in which Kate "takes the plunge". Kate seems to have some of the same sense of "untouchability" that Hurley has - she wants to carry the TNT, go on dark territory hikes, explore hatches, etc. She also seems to recognize the numbers when Hurley is reciting them. This makes me wonder if Kate has the same "lucky for her / bad for those around her" vibe that Crazy Lenny, Sam Toomey, and Hurley posses. This thread had some good speculation for how Kate could have encountered the numbers in her past.

It must be almost time for the hiatus to end...I am reaching WAAAYYYYY back for speculation fodder!

I dredged up this old thread because I was pondering some issues raised in the promo/commercial for season 2, the scene in which Kate "takes the plunge". Kate seems to have some of the same sense of "untouchability" that Hurley has - she wants to carry the TNT, go on dark territory hikes, explore hatches, etc. She also seems to recognize the numbers when Hurley is reciting them. This makes me wonder if Kate has the same "lucky for her / bad for those around her" vibe that Crazy Lenny, Sam Toomey, and Hurley posses. This thread had some good speculation for how Kate could have encountered the numbers in her past.

I will admit that your post got me thinking about the numbers connection. Hurley obviously has the greatest connection to the Numbers, but it seems that Kate has the second closest connection. There are a few 4 year or 16 year references that apply to several of the characters, but with Kate we also get her saftey deposit box # 815, and the date on her casette tape from her youth, 8/15. Is she tied somehow to that number? Not sure.

Of course there is the Locke reference in Deus Ex Machina where Locke says the location of the footballs are on aisles 8 and 15. :)

Not that this really has much to do with this thread, you did get me thinking, and I too need to get my mind going again as the new season nears. And that hatch promo was great.

I will admit that your post got me thinking about the numbers connection. Hurley obviously has the greatest connection to the Numbers, but it seems that Kate has the second closest connection. There are a few 4 year or 16 year references that apply to several of the characters, but with Kate we also get her saftey deposit box # 815, and the date on her casette tape from her youth, 8/15. Is she tied somehow to that number? Not sure.

Of course there is the Locke reference in Deus Ex Machina where Locke says the location of the footballs are on aisles 8 and 15. :)

Not that this really has much to do with this thread, you did get me thinking, and I too need to get my mind going again as the new season nears. And that hatch promo was great.
815 may be a number that is attached to Kate but I think she believes there is something to 23. That is the number she picked up on when Hurley was going throught the list of numbers in Exodus. $23,000 reward.

815 may be a number that is attached to Kate but I think she believes there is something to 23. That is the number she picked up on when Hurley was going throught the list of numbers in Exodus. $23,000 reward.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Another tie to the numbers. She really does have a lot of ties, it seems more than everybody else (Except Hurley)

A lot of death seems to surround her as well. Maybe that's why her mother panicked after seeing her there.

A lot of death seems to surround her as well. Maybe that's why her mother panicked after seeing her there.
Maybe you might like reading Juice, the theory. We got into Kate and her mom/? reaction.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=15069

I dredged up this old thread because I was pondering some issues raised in the promo/commercial for season 2, the scene in which Kate "takes the plunge". Kate seems to have some of the same sense of "untouchability" that Hurley has - she wants to carry the TNT, go on dark territory hikes, explore hatches, etc. She also seems to recognize the numbers when Hurley is reciting them. This makes me wonder if Kate has the same "lucky for her / bad for those around her" vibe that Crazy Lenny, Sam Toomey, and Hurley posses. This thread had some good speculation for how Kate could have encountered the numbers in her past.

Good, you've noticed Kate's invulnerability. But it's not luck. She's a conspirator who helped set up this whole thing. She knows she's in no danger. The numbers only became The Numbers after Hurley won the lottery with them, and she knows the background info on all the "marks" around her.

Sam Toomey (just noticed the word play, "Same To Me") did not exist. The "widow" in Australia told a completely phony story. There was no radio xmission of The Numbers. Lenny was bribed/cajoled/brainwashed/whatever into telling the story to Hurley that led him to the "widow". Notice that Locke's supposed "mother" was associated with the same looney bin Lenny was in.

Robert

I need to look at this tread again because Keys have been popping up all over the place.

I was thinking of the plane in the last episode...when Sun is talking to Kate about the ring and not knowing why a "thing" was so important, Kate gave one of her knowing looks - she was obviously thinking about her precious plane. The significance of the plane is the one unexplained detail from season 1 that I will go a**-beating crazy about if it turns out to have been a red herring.

I was thinking of the plane in the last episode...when Sun is talking to Kate about the ring and not knowing why a "thing" was so important, Kate gave one of her knowing looks - she was obviously thinking about her precious plane. The significance of the plane is the one unexplained detail from season 1 that I will go a**-beating crazy about if it turns out to have been a red herring.It was one of the reasons we started looking at everything more closely. I'd loose faith and alot of enjoyment, if it was a red herring.

I got this out of the freezer. http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1024&pos=277 Cooper's key A key like this would fit into Kate's plane rather nicely. What else could fit in there that needed to get to the island?

She's a conspirator who helped set up this whole thing.One thing I noticed that casts doubt about Kate was the simlarity of two scenes where someone held a gun to her head and counted to three. In the bank robbery, her accomplice uses this method to get the manager to give him the key to the money cage. In "Hunting Party", Zeke does the same thing to get Jack & co. to surrender their guns.

In the first case, we know Kate was conning the bank manager. This makes me wonder about the second. Is Kate working with the Others? :blink: :shocking:

Now that would be a wild twist.

One thing I noticed that casts doubt about Kate was the simlarity of two scenes where someone held a gun to her head and counted to three. In the bank robbery, her accomplice uses this method to get the manager to give him the key to the money cage. In "Hunting Party", Zeke does the same thing to get Jack & co. to surrender their guns.

In the first case, we know Kate was conning the bank manager. This makes me wonder about the second. Is Kate working with the Others? :blink: :shocking:

Now that would be a wild twist.
How about when she was held "captive" onto flight 815? Miss that one? She was the one who phoned the Marshal to rendezvous with her on the road, not the farmer. Oh, the poor farmer did phone the authorities, but the Marshal got there 1st.

But when Locke argued to Desmond that he should tie her up instead of Locke, Desmond couldn't ad lib a convincing answer quick enough, so Locke got tied up instead of Kate, which was the previous arrangement. So Kate had to do some ad libbing!

Robert

Since others have revived this old thread, I'll post some thoughts about my original post. If you look back at this, it posits that Kate wanted the plane (or its contents) secured in a "time capsule" to keep it safe, and that this item has great significance to island doings. A couple of other thoughts...the translation of Danielle's radio message includes:

Il est dehors, il est dehors et Brandon a pris les clés, Veuillez nous aider, Ils sont morts, ils sont tous morts
He (or it) is outside, he's (it's) outside, and Brandon (Brennan) took the keys, Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead.

If Tom Brennan's Dad had been on the island and some how got off it (or was able to send something to a friend - Sgt. Austin?...Wayne? ...Diane?), did he have a key (to the "?" hatch?) that is now, as Sam G speculates, hiding in the plane?

Since others have revived this old thread, I'll post some thoughts about my original post. If you look back at this, it posits that Kate wanted the plane (or its contents) secured in a "time capsule" to keep it safe, and that this item has great significance to island doings. A couple of other thoughts...the translation of Danielle's radio message includes:

Il est dehors, il est dehors et Brandon a pris les clés, Veuillez nous aider, Ils sont morts, ils sont tous morts
He (or it) is outside, he's (it's) outside, and Brandon (Brennan) took the keys, Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead.

If Tom Brennan's Dad had been on the island and some how got off it (or was able to send something to a friend - Sgt. Austin?...Wayne? ...Diane?), did he have a key (to the "?" hatch?) that is now, as Sam G speculates, hiding in the plane? Now there is something that could make sense. Kate could have hidden something in the plane in the timecapsule after they buried it the first time but it has been in there for years. (For a long time I thought, TPTB had said, that no one has ever left the island but I seem to have been in error in that.) We don't seem to need a key for the hatch anymore, so I'd specualte it is for something more important. No clue yet.

(For a long time I thought, TPTB had said, that no one has ever left the island but I seem to have been in error in that.) It was said I remember it. Just like it was said Chritstians "body was on the plane"

(For a long time I thought, TPTB had said, that no one has ever left the island but I seem to have been in error in that.) It was said I remember it. Just like it was said Chritstians "body was on the plane" http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=27561&highlight=island When all els fails search Javi. I ran across this a while ago. We're not the only ones who were under that impression. So I had to reopen that door again.

Well, now this is handy. I found the quote about the island. David Fury said it.

This is not a show about the supernatural, despite the fact that we have a very huge creature that likes to eat people. Despite the surreal, bizarre aspects of the island, there will be an explanation for it. It may not come for a very long time, but certain information about the island will explain how things are possible. We’ll try to root it in real science or real pseudo-science. There will be no mystical reason or an island of monsters. The island has been around for millennia, and many people have found themselves on it, and as far as we know, nobody has ever gotten off. There is also the possibility of others being on the island, they just haven’t seen them yet. And we’ll never know how big this island is. It could be enormous, but odd things will keep them from knowing the full length and breadth of it. It’s an interesting little allegory. It will be very mysterious... The show will always be from the perspective [of] the people on the island, so we never see the outside world, except from their perspective." - David Fury

I wonder what Javi would say now?

http://perdidosporlost.blogspot.com/2005/08/lo-que-nos-dicen.html

Tabby Rasa was quoting some other things but it is the last quote.

So we are not crazy and we have excellent memories.

Sam--what a great site--it has all those quotes that I've seen thrown around, all in one place. Excellent! Bless you for finding it!

There are lots of posts here regarding actual keys, so I just thought I'd give you the list of actual Key references that I have been keeping.

S1E1
Kate uses the Marshall’s handcuff key

S1E2
Danielle says in her distress call that Brendan took the keys



S1E12
Kate uses safe deposit box key

S1E12
Jack puts the key for the Halliburton around his neck

S1E15
Kate, noting that Ethan has come back for Claire, says that maybe its time for Jack to use that key he wears around his neck, i.e. open up the guns for protection.

S1E21
Shannon steals the gun case key

S1E22
Kate grabs Tom’s car keys

S2E3
Helen gives Locke a key to her apartment
Helen grabs Locke’s car keys and throws them over Anthony Cooper’s gate

S2E4
The key around Jack’s neck is pulled magnetically to something behind the wall

S2E7 Ana Lucia notes that the Others who have invaded their camp have "No wallets, no cell phone, no keys, nothing.”"

S2E9
Kate uses the Marshall’s handcuff key

S2E15
Ethan has a key on a Dharma key chain

S2E17
Locke uses Anthony Cooper’s key to get into the safe deposit box
Map on the blast door is a key to the location of the other hatches, hatches each look like key holes

S2E18
Hurley steals the keys from Dr. Brooks’s office

Not sure of the significance, if any, to all the keys. But I'm keeping track of them just in case.

all_games I think a few of them are in the wrong place.There are lots of posts here regarding actual keys, so I just thought I'd give you the list of actual Key references that I have been keeping.

S1E1
Kate uses the Marshall’s handcuff key

S1E2
Danielle says in her distress call that Brendan took the keys

S1E4
******The key around Jack’s neck is pulled magnetically to something behind the wall,In season 2

S1E12
Kate uses safe deposit box key

S1E12
Jack puts the key for the Halliburton around his neck

S1E15
Kate, noting that Ethan has come back for Claire, says that maybe its time for Jack to use that key he wears around his neck, i.e. open up the guns for protection.

S1E21
Shannon steals the gun case key

S1E22
Kate grabs Tom’s car keys

S2E3
Helen gives Locke a key to her apartment
Helen grabs Locke’s car keys and throws them over Anthony Cooper’s gate

S2E7 Ana Lucia notes that the Others who have invaded their camp have "No wallets, no cell phone, no keys, nothing.”"

S2E9
Kate uses the Marshall’s handcuff key

S2E15
Ethan has a key on a Dharma key chain

S2E17
Locke uses Anthony Cooper’s key to get into the safe deposit box
Map on the blast door is a key to the location of the other hatches, hatches each look like key holes

S2E18
Hurley steals the keys from Dr. Brooks’s office

Not sure of the significance, if any, to all the keys. But I'm keeping track of them just in case.

Sam G

Just fixed the one about the key on Jack's neck, changed from S1E4 to S2E4. Thanks for catching that. I think the rest are correct.

Sam G

Just fixed the one about the key on Jack's neck, changed from S1E4 to S2E4. Thanks for catching that. I think the rest are correct.all_games if you visit the LLL the link is at the bottom of my post, you will see all the lists that have been made by people from this site. It's pretty impressive. I think they have most of the keys listed there. We are always looking for help and things that we might have missed.

I am well aware of the LLL. In fact, my name is at the bottom of the games list as the primary contributor.

Just thought the key references belonged in this thread.

I am well aware of the LLL. In fact, my name is at the bottom of the games list as the primary contributor.

Just thought the key references belonged in this thread.Cool. :redface: