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jethro jazz 05-20-2010, 05:09 AM So Zoe is gone now, and doesn't seem to have been very important at all. I read several quotes from the actress earlier in the season, one saying that "Zoe has the answer, Zoe knows." one where she stated that Zoe had come to the island looking for someone and one where she said that she'd seen a finale script and her name was on every page.
Do you think they re-wrote her character? Or possibly that her story arc was removed to make space for more important characters?
lostnadream 05-20-2010, 05:28 AM The Island was done with her.:biggrin:
grahfcard 05-20-2010, 05:29 AM My theory and hope was that she experienced the reverse of what the losties experience in the ALT - and she somehow remembered the ALT where she is David's mom (since they made a point out of that).
Maybe she's still a big character in the finale in the sideways, but I dunno, maybe she was just lying for the attention.
jethro jazz 05-20-2010, 05:34 AM Why the hell would you think she's David's mom? Surely that's just going to be Juliet in the most obvious mystery ever.
evanesco75 05-20-2010, 05:50 AM Zoe is David's Mom??? I hope not!
jethro jazz 05-20-2010, 05:59 AM I wouldn't make any sense for her character to be resolved in the alt anyway, she clearly said that she was looking for someone on the island.
rocker 05-20-2010, 06:00 AM When did they make a point to show us that Zoe is David's mom? I've watched this show 5 times now and I see nothing even vaguely resembelling that.
evanesco75 05-20-2010, 06:17 AM Did she say she was looking for 'someone' on the island? DId she mean Jin, to help her find the EM spots? Or someone else?
kittenkong80 05-20-2010, 06:37 AM She was a foiler, pure and simple, and not a very believeable one. Glad she's done.
Buck Dharma 05-20-2010, 06:40 PM So Zoe is gone now, and doesn't seem to have been very important at all. I read several quotes from the actress earlier in the season, one saying that "Zoe has the answer, Zoe knows." one where she stated that Zoe had come to the island looking for someone and one where she said that she'd seen a finale script and her name was on every page.
Do you think they re-wrote her character? Or possibly that her story arc was removed to make space for more important characters?
I read some of the same interviews with her, and I expected her character to play a much bigger role than this. But apparently she was either lying, goofing around, or grossly misinformed. Either way, she really brought very little to the party character-wise. So goodbye and good riddance to both her and Widmore. It seems clear now that the intention of the TPTB in the last couple of episodes was to clear the decks of the more superfluous characters, and get back to the basics of completing the journeys of the core characters we've all come to know and love.
enigma420 05-20-2010, 06:41 PM Like Nikki and Paulo before her, she was a sacrifice the audience demanded.
Crake 05-20-2010, 07:59 PM I think it's pretty difficult for the writers to develop a new character in the final season. *Without the time to dedicate at least one episode to developing a chacter's backstory, new characters his late are pointless to the audience. *The only new characters to be developed in full his season have been MIB and Jacob, because they are central to the series ending. *It would be pointless to spend time dveloping Zoe when the writers had incredibly developed characters just lying around ready to be utilized. *Ben Linus and Desmond Hume are two of he best developed characters on the show- it is doubtful that they are they starting from scratch when they have characters the audience already knows and identifies with. *
Other characters, such as Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore were very well defined also. However for the show to end with any sense of, should we say, "justice", it would be necessary for a loathed character like Widmore to die. *It is no coincidence that Widmore is caught hiding in the dark in the closet of his arch-nemesis, interrogated by the devil and having left to bargain only he life of his daughter, only to be gunned down by the man he hunted his whole life unsucessfully-the perfect ending for the imperious Widmore, who had never had to hide or fear before, and indeed was defined by his seemingly limitless resources and power. *Yet "justice" demands that Widmore die if characters like Sun and Charlie are not to make it to the end.
Coincidentally, this is why I doubt very much hat Ben will be redemed in be finale. He did, afterall, murder the entire DI in a monstrous gas attack-hardly behavior easily forgiven, in spite of his teary talk with Illana (his sideways is, however, another matter).
For the "good" characters, their deaths are partly arbitrary (in the case of Lapidus, Charlotte, and Faraday, for example, their character arc was simply complete). *I think some still have their comeuppance coming. My prediction: I don't think Sawyer will survive-he came to the island after murdering an innocent man in cold blood. *Miles won't survive either, since his character is more-or-less a con-man *** thief only interested in self-preservation. *Jack, Kate and Hurley will be the final three, and perhaps only one of them will survive (or none will).
Of course the sideways provides he writers with their own failsafe switch: *everyone lives a better-than-their-pre-crash life in the sideways, except for the unredemable bad guys (Kimi, for example). *Personally, while I recognize that this is the most likely outcome to the series, it is ironic in that it negates all of the selfless courage and self-redemption the characters went through in he first place. *If Ben is the saintly son sacrificing his career for his students, why did we spend four years getting to know him anyway? *
The most likely ending is not a facedown between Jack and Flocke, where good triumphs over evil, but more likely an ending whereby the entire need for the island or anyone on it is obviated by simply sinking it and everyone lives happily ever after in the sideways. *It isn't possible now to realistically kill off the sideways-it is going to be the ending-however the final sacrifice will be the last man/woman standing having to sacrifice themselves to preserve the sideways.
AboutBunnies 05-21-2010, 02:12 AM Like Nikki and Paulo before her, she was a sacrifice the audience demanded.
I like this one! :jump1:
nic2200 05-21-2010, 02:33 AM Like Nikki and Paulo before her, she was a sacrifice the audience demanded.
Except they killed her off before the audience even knew who she was.
SmaShT 05-21-2010, 02:55 AM I'm pretty sure the death of most characters is defined by how popular or how well they work in their respective roles. For example, we know that Ben was only supposed to last a few episodes, but people loved him so he stayed. I'm pretty damn sure that MIB wouldn't have been played by Locke during this season if it wasn't because he was probably the most popular character in the show and this gave him the opportunity to have way more screen time.
On the downside, we have several examples as well. The people from the Temple? Not popular. Dead. The people from the clan that protected what lies at the bottom of the statue? Not popular. Dead. Widmore's men? Not popular. Dead.
And this reminded me of Christian Shephard and the fact that we haven't seen him all season. The producers said in an interview that there was one key actor, who was never a regular in the show, that had refused to come back for this season. Is it safe to say that it was the actor who portrayed Christian Shephard?
jethro jazz 05-21-2010, 04:32 AM I'd guess so. I think it's really sad because whatever anyone says I always felt there was a story behind his persistent appearances. It seems that it's just had to be erased by smokey claiming it was him all the time.
MaggieRyanJr 05-21-2010, 12:45 PM This is why it's best to use the text, and not extra-textual stuff like interviews...
AreWeThereYet 05-21-2010, 12:57 PM I guess maybe she could work at the museum or something in the FS and somehow be involved in the "crossover/joining" of the timelines. Otherwise, her role was pointless and her interviews were just BS. I'm leaning towards the latter. Keep in mind she said something about watching all the different groups that form and not just being two sided but multi-faceted like a diamond. Meanwhile, we got the MIB group destroying the island, the Jack group defending the island, and the Widmore group which might of been a 3rd group if they weren't dead. Sounds pretty two sided to me....
jazzanova 05-21-2010, 03:23 PM The Island was done with her.:biggrin:
good riddance :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
Tommy 05-21-2010, 03:51 PM Crackpot theory: Zoe is Annie...
At the outset, they may have expected her to play more of a role as the season progressed, but things change. A TV series is not like a book or a movie where you can go back and re-write stuff at the beginning of the story because you've decided to change something in the middle or the end.
lowerstreet 05-21-2010, 08:15 PM It seems pretty obvious she was added to be cannon fodder. They made her especially obnoxious so we would enjoy her death.
I am pretty sure Dogen and Lennon were killed off before the season even premiered. Boy, they were pointless.
Droogs 05-21-2010, 08:59 PM I know this may get me some flaming arrows, but I never got all the Zoe-hatred. Sure she was annoying--but she reminded me of Elaine from Seinfeld, so I really never got all that worked up about it. And come on, a full frontal throat slashing complete with gurgling noises in her death throes--that's just plain way too stone-cold hardcore way out of proportion given her lack of importance. Now if Ben had slashed Widmore's throat, THAT would be more "satisfying" in a bloodthirsty, guilty pleasure sort of way. :biggrin:
AboutBunnies 05-22-2010, 02:34 PM Crackpot theory: Zoe is Annie...LOL! And don't forget that she was pregnant! (They're always pregnant!)
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