I know that everyone knows from Micheal's flashback, that Walt might have "power. but did anyone ever think that Micheal might have powers as well? Walt could have inherit his powers from Micheal. when Walt step-father told Micheal that strange things happen when Walt's around, Micheal did not seem at all surprise , nor concern..he wasn't even curious...why not? could it be that Micheal have a similar power, and Walt inherit from him

I've been wondering that too. It also made me wonder if not Micheal then Micheal's dad could have been special. And that's why Micheal wasn't shocked. Used to it with his dad. Could be all three?

I've been wondering that too. It also made me wonder if not Micheal then Micheal's dad could have been special. And that's why Micheal wasn't shocked. Used to it with his dad. Could be all three?

a lot of people believe that Walt was responsible for his mother's death...but if anyone had a motive it would be Michael. I think Micheal might have the same powers that Walt have, and that is why susan seems so "apprehensive " when ever she was around Michael. she seem like she was afraid of him. I feel that is part of the reason she move half way around the world. .to get away, and she lock up the pictures that Michael sent Walt. everyone thinks she died, after she ignore Walt, but actually it was after she spoke to Michael, and told him to give up on getting Walt back. like you said, Michael seems use to it..and there has to be a reason for him to respond in that way, while most people would be afraid, or at least curious.

everyone thinks she died, after she ignore Walt, but actually it was after she spoke to Michael, and told him to give up on getting Walt back.

Wasn't Walt only about two years old when we last saw Michael talking to Susan? That's a long time for his ill-will to manifest itself. It seemed to me he was pretty well resigned to the fact that Walt was out of his life when Brian showed up.

Does Michel have powers? He didn't want to turn on the radar or use the flare gun. Maybe he should have listened to his intuition. Maybe that intuition is hereditary. I've know others have wondered if Michael already new there was something different about Walt. Perhaps he was different too?

The birthday cake that Michael drew on Walt's 2nd birthday cake had 7 candles on it. The last time that Michael saw Walt prior to Susan's death, Walt was 3 years old and had been away from Michael for about 1 year. That means that there were 7 years between the last time Michael saw Walt and their reunion. Is this evidence of Michael having special precog abilities?

You can see the particulars in this thread.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=547445#post547445

Interesting... ^.^

Now, I've been giving this a lot of thought, and I believe there is actually quite a bit of evidence of Michael's powers.

There's an old saying among actors. Never work with kids or dogs. Well, Michael's working with both! Could the reason that the writers chose to make Special a Michael AND Walt centric episode be that they don't want us scrutinizing Michael's character too closely? If they make it about both characters, it's hard to tell what information applies to only Michael. I've been looking into the timeline for Michael and Walt. We have a lot to work with between Special and Adrift. I believe I have found evidence of Michael having precog abilities.

The card Michael made for Walt's 2nd birthday featured a birthday cake with 7 candles on it. From the last day that Michael saw Walt until they are reunited after Susan's death, 7 years pass. Could the reason that Michael was so determined to take Walt on the raft be that he knew precognitively that Walt "can't grow up on this island." Perhaps he saw their staying as some "blurry thing" like Claire's psychic saw. Remember that Brian told Michael that Walt was "different," and Michael's reaction to that comment was always striking. Perhaps the reason he was willing to stay when Walt confessed that he had burned the first raft was that he knew Walt had inherited the same abilities that he posesses. When Walt told Michael that they had to leave, Michael didn't question it much, did he? Also, Michael did not want to turn on the radar on the raft when Sawyer did. Nor did he want to fire the flaregun. It's as if his worst fears always come to fruition. Is Michael the unluckiest man alive, or is it something more?

A lot has been made of Michael's reaction to Locke teaching Walt to throw knives. My question is, was Locke teaching Walt to throw knives? OR, was he really training Walt to use his minds eye? Locke said that Walt was different, and if they were going to be stuck on the island he though Walt should be allowed to realize his "potential." Remember, Locke introduced Walt to backgammon. He knows Walt has an uncanny "luckiness." If Michael knows that Walt has this ability because he has it himself, I think that he probably sees this power as a bad thing. It would certainly explain his seemingly irrational anger toward Locke.

A lot has been made of Walt conjuring things up from his imagination. The thing is, that all of the things he has been credited with conjuring outside Michael's sphere of knowledge are small things. Walt is able to play games with amazingly "lucky" outcomes. A bird flew into a window pane. These are small things that a special child with a developing ability might be able to manage.. It is the things he shares with Michael that are dramatic. Michael saw the picture of the polar bear in Walt's comic book too. I believe the polar bears were already on the island before the lostaways got there. I don't believe they were conjured. I believe they were merely drawn to Walt by Michael's fear that they would find Walt while he was missing. Walt shared with Michael his fear that a shark would attack the raft. It was MICHAEL who was afraid that they might not be able to find their way back to the other lostaways after rescue. Oddly, they did not make it back to the right part of the island, though the message bottle did. Just some food for thought...

ETA: Interestingly, the polar bear attack on Walt occurred only after Michael learned of it's existence.

Hurley

Dudes, listen. Our lives suck. Everyone's nerves are stretched to the max. I mean, we're lost on an island, running from boars and monsters, freakin' polar bears.

Michael

Polar bears?

Charlie

You didn't hear about the polar bears?

ETA: With time and new developments, I think the candles on the birthday cake may be about something entirely different. Perhaps the 7 aliases of Dr. Marvin Candle?

ETA: Interestingly, the polar bear attack on Walt occurred only after Michael learned of it's existence.

Interesting observation.

Now after watching Adrift again tonight, I realize there was more. Michael was afraid that the gun would not fire after being in the water. Lo and behold, when he needed to fire at the shark, it wouldn't fire at first. He told Sawyer that they were going to break up if he kept paddling the short way to the pontoon section of the raft. What happened? They broke up! Yet, Michael was able to paddle that short distance with no problem immediately thereafter.

Edited to add: On a creepy cool note, I read a post recently about Michael and Susan. Sorry, I don't remember who's idea it was, but it struck a chord. Who had more motive to want Susan dead, Walt or Michael? Was her death the culmination of something he wished for 8 years previously? On the other hand, I can well imagine Susan wanting to stop Michael from coming to Amsterdam after that phone call. Could the reason they didn't work out as a couple have to do with their psyches clashing all the time? They both had this power that they couldn't control? Did Susan feel guilty about Michael's accident for some reason? That could be the real reason she paid for his medical care. It could also be that Susan was afraid of Michael's power because it was very strong, which is why she moved halfway around the world.

Great input, and thought. Will give a better response later. So much going on in my life right now. Ginbun

Sooo....for all of Sawyer's professions of friendship, it turns out he really isn't much of a friend after all. It's every man for himself. Hmmm...Who would have guessed? Well, I think Michael knew that they don't share the same definition of friendship. When Michael behaves in inexplicable ways, I think it's his intuition at work. Like a lot of us, Michael seems to have mixed emotions where Sawyer is concerned. There are things about him that are likeable, but he isn't necessarily trustworthy.

Wow...you guys just made the least interesting and annoying charector on this show compelling and empathetic

Yay!! Baileysdad! Tell all your friends, because Michael just doesn't get enough love!! :biggrin: Folks won't even post in his forum to bash him.:frown: I've liked him ever since Special, but he has been a puzzle. Of course, we didn't make him compelling and empathetic, the writers did. I just think he's going to sneak up on people when they least expect it, and turn out to be one of the single most important characters on the show.

Yep, shootfire. I agree.

shootfire, I am totally into Michaels character now that I've read a bunch of his threads and seen your posts. I started on the WHAT do we know thread, and keep finding your excellent posts everywhere. Great stuff

shootfire, I am totally into Michaels character now that I've read a bunch of his threads and seen your posts. I started on the WHAT do we know thread, and keep finding your excellent posts everywhere. Great stuff

Great!! Michael could use some more fans. It's really fascinating. Every time I think I have run out of information on him, I'll run into some line that seemed inconsequential at the time, but holds much greater importance in the final balance. While I was working on my last post in what do we know about Michael, I think I found one of the reasons that Michael doesn't consider Sawyer his friend. Gotta go post in that thread now! Thanks for checking out the threads. :)

Something just occured to me today, shoot! It was Michael who gave Walt the polar bear stuffed animal when he saw him that last time. Michael knew somehow! I think you're right (I already did, I just felt like I should contribute something substantial...)!

Something just occured to me today, shoot! It was Michael who gave Walt the polar bear stuffed animal when he saw him that last time. Michael knew somehow! I think you're right (I already did, I just felt like I should contribute something substantial...)!

Yeah, it kind of makes you wonder what Michael would have been thinking as he watched the comic with the polar bear on the cover burn. Would he have been remembering the polar bear he gave Walt? Would he have been angry that Walt couldn't remember those last words to him before their separation? I don't mean angry at Walt, but at the circumstances. Michael's emotions + polar bear = polar bear attack? It was kind of prescient when you think about it. He bought a polar bear for Walt trying to make a connection. He tried to connect with Walt with the comic with the polar bear, but the connection was finally made thru a polar bear attack. Somehow he knew way back when Walt was a toddler that a polar bear would connect them?

I have been a Michael fan since I found out he was an artist.

Here's my Michael theory.

Michael is special without telekinesis or telepathy.
Like Locke, his potential has room for expansion on the island.
He was an apiring artist/contractor back home. Here, he is like a Renaissance man.
An artist, yes, but with the ability to realize technological goals with simple materials.

-He fixed the water situation at the cave. Michelangelo did many drawings for proposed water levey systems as did Leonardo Da Vinci.

-He was in charge of getting Jack and Charlie out of the cave. This involved knowing about how to butress the walls of the cave as they dug it out. What contractor or artist do you know that is well versed in this? Would it surprise you if you found out Leonardo or Michelangelo did this as well? As it turns out, Michelangelo had many close calls and several people actually died while he was extracting those perfect pieces of marble from the mountain. It came about that he HAD to figure out how to do that or no one would have worked for him anymore. This caused him much grief and he wrote about it in a few letters. I wouldn't be surprised if Michelangelo had a flashback or two about the people he killed.

-He built a boat. Two boats really. In like a week and a half or something. Now that I look at it Michael might just be more prolific than Leonardo. Kinda like Michelangelo.
Coincidentally, you might have caught this by now, but there is a similarity in the names.


-His knowledge of the blast doors. Where did he work again? Why would he have even looked for those? Leonardo and Michelangelo both worked on civil defense projects. Leonardo focused on offense and Michelangelo did mostly defense. Including an ingenious way to defend the seawalls from shipboard cannon fire.( He had some giant canvas pieces painted to look like the wall and then had them hung in front of it about a yard out. The cannons would hit the "wall" and the canvas would absorb the impact and let the ball fall harmlessly into the ocean.)
-There is also the rage issue. It is one thing that defined the character of Michelangelo. He was known for it. It made him both a hated and loved figure in his own time.

It is my humble belief that for some reason the island is capable of releasing the true potential of people. It might be as simple as not having to work for anybody but yourself. Do not underestimate real freedom. It has power.
It can a make a person who would have been lost in the sea of civilization find himself in a way that elevates him to the level of some of history's greatest creators.

Walt has the magic but it doesn't make Michael any less special.

I have been a Michael fan since I found out he was an artist.

Here's my Michael theory.

Michael is special without telekinesis or telepathy.
Like Locke, his potential has room for expansion on the island.
He was an apiring artist/contractor back home. Here, he is like a Renaissance man.
An artist, yes, but with the ability to realize technological goals with simple materials.

-He fixed the water situation at the cave. Michelangelo did many drawings for proposed water levey systems as did Leonardo Da Vinci.

-He was in charge of getting Jack and Charlie out of the cave. This involved knowing about how to butress the walls of the cave as they dug it out. What contractor or artist do you know that is well versed in this? Would it surprise you if you found out Leonardo or Michelangelo did this as well? As it turns out, Michelangelo had many close calls and several people actually died while he was extracting those perfect pieces of marble from the mountain. It came about that he HAD to figure out how to do that or no one would have worked for him anymore. This caused him much grief and he wrote about it in a few letters. I wouldn't be surprised if Michelangelo had a flashback or two about the people he killed.

-He built a boat. Two boats really. In like a week and a half or something. Now that I look at it Michael might just be more prolific than Leonardo. Kinda like Michelangelo.
Coincidentally, you might have caught this by now, but there is a similarity in the names.


-His knowledge of the blast doors. Where did he work again? Why would he have even looked for those? Leonardo and Michelangelo both worked on civil defense projects. Leonardo focused on offense and Michelangelo did mostly defense. Including an ingenious way to defend the seawalls from shipboard cannon fire.( He had some giant canvas pieces painted to look like the wall and then had them hung in front of it about a yard out. The cannons would hit the "wall" and the canvas would absorb the impact and let the ball fall harmlessly into the ocean.)
-There is also the rage issue. It is one thing that defined the character of Michelangelo. He was known for it. It made him both a hated and loved figure in his own time.

It is my humble belief that for some reason the island is capable of releasing the true potential of people. It might be as simple as not having to work for anybody but yourself. Do not underestimate real freedom. It has power.
It can a make a person who would have been lost in the sea of civilization find himself in a way that elevates him to the level of some of history's greatest creators.

Walt has the magic but it doesn't make Michael any less special.

Shepherd, you have a really interesting perspective on the character. I really like all the Michaelangelo and da Vinci connections. I have also noticed a lot of focus on historically "great" men in this show. I think that point was kind of pounded home in Homecoming, when Lucy was talking about her father collecting the belongings of great men. It's also interesting that Locke was telling Boone about Michaelangelo. Indeed, I caught the similarity of the names back in H & M when Locke was telling his little story. I still think Michael has some kind of precognitive "gift," but you make a lot of good points. It's just that I keep thinking about all of the theories about divine inspiration in such figures, and I wonder if this isn't the kind of thing the writers are trying to convey. The greats were all gifted with something that made them more than the sum of their parts? Locke specifically mentioned the "divinity" in Michaelangelo. You've got a great theory, BTW. It will be interesting to see how Michael's story plays out as the story progresses.

Thanks.

I think, as far as what you just said, "The greats were all gifted with something that made them more than the sum of their parts".

Maybe this would be the thing inside him that gave birth to Walt.
Like the David is to Michelangelo. Did you know that there have been three or so copies made of this sculpture, but that every time they measure it it's bigger? To make a copy you pretty much have to know exactly how big it is so that you buy enough wood to make the frame for a mold. Strange, eh?

Thanks.

I think, as far as what you just said, "The greats were all gifted with something that made them more than the sum of their parts".

Maybe this would be the thing inside him that gave birth to Walt.
Like the David is to Michelangelo. Did you know that there have been three or so copies made of this sculpture, but that every time they measure it it's bigger? To make a copy you pretty much have to know exactly how big it is so that you buy enough wood to make the frame for a mold. Strange, eh?

I didn't know that. Thank you. It is strange, and, I think, telling. Other artists have to use "more" to create the same thing. Hmm...

Didn't the writers at one point say that the names are important...that they weren't chosen arbitrarily? If that's the case, then the Michelangelo and DaVinci stuff has some validity. I like Michael...I think his character has the most dynamics of the losties and has the ability to grow and change more than anyone else... Think about it. We have a number of single people or now single people...at least 2 married couples ... and only one parent with their child.... Michael.

Didn't the writers at one point say that the names are important...that they weren't chosen arbitrarily? If that's the case, then the Michelangelo and DaVinci stuff has some validity. I like Michael...I think his character has the most dynamics of the losties and has the ability to grow and change more than anyone else... Think about it. We have a number of single people or now single people...at least 2 married couples ... and only one parent with their child.... Michael.

Well.....there's Claire and Aaron also. It remains to be seen whether she is single or not I suppose. At least Charlie has assumed some reponsibility in their situation, but how long Clair will allow that to go on I couldn't guess. Of course, Aaron can't wander off from Claire at the moment either. :grin: Still, technically she is also a single parent. I also think that Michael's character has the more room for development than most others. It's kind of scarey because I used to feel that way about Shannnon. :frown:

Merging this thread with a pre-existing thread on the same topic.

Im not convinced that he has "powers" although the points being made are very interesting. I simply think its all got to do with Walt.
Ok right when Michael was talking to Susan on the phone just before he got knocked down Walt could of been with Susan while she was talking he could have sensed Michael wanted to come get him so he could have somehow caused the car to knock him down. I do realise Walt would have been really young at this stage but he could have had the powers all his life.
Anyway Michael gave Walt a polar bear at their last meeting right and Walt also got attacked by a polar bear. Well i think this is because Walt remembers his dad gave him the polar bear when Michael really loved him. Perhaps Walt thinks Michael doesn't want to be a father on the island and this is his way of bringing Michael closer to him. Its a bit farfetched i know but remember Michael never wanted Walt. At the airport he was pleadin with his Mom to take Walt. Walt heard this and started to think Michael doesn't want him and would explain why Walt asked him when was his birthday was ,early on in season 1.
I think Michael is a construction artist and engineer cause set out to get a job to get Walt back but then got too caught up in his work and eventually forgot about Walt.