Some have noticed that the flight numbers and boarding gates from Exodus Part II don't match up with the numbers from previous episodes and the information from the Oceanic website got me thinking.

What if there was a major plot twist and we found out that they're were two plane crashes, flight 815 and flight 777. The season two teaser has the tagline "They're not the survivors that thought they were." Well they think they're they survivors of flight 815 but could they actually be the survivors of flight 777? Remember back when Boone found the radio on the drug smuggling plane? The voice on the other end said "We're the survivors of flight 815."

Is it possible there was two plane crashes and the crash of flight 815 covered up the crash of flight 777?

It was a set-up from the start. We've all seen how many of the passenegers end up on the plane not by their choice but by others. What if the flight number was changed from 815 to 777 once everybody got onboard. Their plane takes off unscheduled and unclassified and minutes later the "new" flight 815 takes off. Flight 815 does indeed crash and possibly crashed on the island as well but to the outside world it only looks like one plane crashed, flight 815.

I don't have a lot of evidence to back this up it's really just a suggestion to throw out there and get people thinking.

The tagline "they're not the survivors they think they are" is interesting. There's a few interpretations:

1) They not really great survivors - meaning 'they're not as good at surviving as they think they are', hinting at the possibility that more of them will die in season 2

2) They weren't on the flight they thought they were...

The oceanic-air website has certainly opened the door wider for the theory of the 'conspiracy' at the airport.... with the apparent gate-change, and the fact that it says flight 815 landed in LA, it would seem to indicate that the plane that our lostaways got on was not, in fact, the real flight 815, and that it was a setup the whole time.

The question is - how reliable is the information on that website? Was it done by a casual observer? Could the gate and arrival status simply be a mistake? Or was it deliberate?

I like this theory, I've been thinking about it too

There is definitely something suspicious going on IMO

You know what is funny too about your theory that while on the http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm web site, if you mess around bringing up the castaways "profiles" the flight number on the bottom left eventually change from 815 to 777 (I think after Jack's "profile").* So maybe your right.* Maybe the writers are testing us by giving us this spoiler ahead of time to see if we noticed.* Season 2 can't come fast enough....

Some have noticed that the flight numbers and boarding gates from Exodus Part II don't match up with the numbers from previous episodes and the information from the Oceanic website got me thinking.

What if there was a major plot twist and we found out that they're were two plane crashes, flight 815 and flight 777. The season two teaser has the tagline "They're not the survivors that thought they were." Well they think they're they survivors of flight 815 but could they actually be the survivors of flight 777? Remember back when Boone found the radio on the drug smuggling plane? The voice on the other end said "We're the survivors of flight 815."

Is it possible there was two plane crashes and the crash of flight 815 covered up the crash of flight 777?

I don't have a lot of evidence to back this up it's really just a suggestion to throw out there and get people thinking.


As I alluded to in the thread about oceanic-air.com, this is almost exactly what I've been thinking is going on, but I don't know if it was a setup, they got on the wrong plane mysteriously, or what. (I did find out that that site does belong to Disney, btw; Disney links back to oceanic-air.com) http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=17880.120

What I wasn't able to find was another mention of what the gate number should have been. It's 23 in the finale and 15 on the website. Where else is it mentioned?

You know what is funny too about your theory that while on the http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm web site, if you mess around bringing up the castaways "profiles" the flight number on the bottom left eventually change from 815 to 777 (I think after Lockes "profile").* So maybe your right.* Maybe the writers are testing us by giving us this spoiler ahead of time to see if we noticed.* Season 2 can't come fast enough....


No, I believe the 777 simply refers to the type of plane. It only switches to 815 and then oceanicflight815.com to tease you into going to that website. And it only flashes briefly after you click on Jack's seat.

That's what I thought - 777 was the type of plane.

Here's a screencap of the check in screen when Hurley got his boarding passes. It states flight 815 & shows departure time but I don't see a gate number listed.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=729

But the plane that crashed was an old Lockheed L1011, not a 777.

This is a TV show. Perhaps they're calling it a 777 but actually used an L1011 as the prop.

This is a TV show. Perhaps they're calling it a 777 but actually used an L1011 as the prop.


That's exactly right. JJ Abrams said exactly that in an interview. Thanks to Quantion for this info:

"The crashed plane on the beach is a constantly looming reminder of the crash in the pilot episode. How was that done?
Abrams: It's insane what they did. When we started writing it, they found an L-1011. They bought it. It's a 777 in the story. But we found an L-1011. Just bought it, took it apart, cut it into 25 pieces, barged it—and we have this on film—from California to Hawaii. Put it back together again there, and built it. That whole thing was all there."
source: http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue387/interview3.html

Have any of you looked at the source code for the pages??

It says in the code for "http://www.oceanic-air.com/trackresults.htm":

"This is Bob Jones, of Tulsa Oklahoma and I would like to inform the First National Bank of Enid
that I will be late making my September mortgage payment as I am STRANDED ON A FRIGGIN�
ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE! Please have the government send a search team
immediately or don�t all the taxes I pay cover an expense like that?

BJ"

This is on the "http://www.oceanic-air.com/trackflight.htm" page:

"Robert D. West, of Santa Barbara, California - USA survived a horrific plane crash and
is stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii.
In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to parents, Mr. and
Mrs. John West, of Tucson Arizona. Thank you.

Robert West"


That's hysterical. :lol2:

The privacy statement links to a document for ABC.

Thank you, Blamo. I figured that was the case.

No, I believe the 777 simply refers to the type of plane. It only switches to 815 and then oceanicflight815.com to tease you into going to that website. And it only flashes briefly after you click on Jack's seat.



No, that doesn't make sense to me. Because on the bottom of the oceanic site it says Oceanic 777. Why would they call it flight Oceanic 815, the flight number, all along just to change it to Oceanic 777, the plane type. 777's are a type of long distance plane, but I have never heard of an 815 plane type.

Read the quote above:

"The crashed plane on the beach is a constantly looming reminder of the crash in the pilot episode. How was that done?
Abrams: It's insane what they did. When we started writing it, they found an L-1011. They bought it. It's a 777 in the story. But we found an L-1011. Just bought it, took it apart, cut it into 25 pieces, barged it—and we have this on film—from California to Hawaii. Put it back together again there, and built it. That whole thing was all there."
source: http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue387/interview3.html

On the seatingchart page, the 777 is a reference to the type of plane.

When you click on Jack's seat (sometimes you need to do this twice), the 777 briefly flashes back and forth between 777 and "oceanicflight815.com". It's just meant to tease you into going to that website.

I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.

That seating chart page has it too:

"If you are reading this note PLEASE get word to my wife, Christina Smith that her husband,
Jake survived the crash of Oceanic Flight #815 along with 47 others.
Darling, I miss you so much and dream of the day I can see your face again.
The very thought of that day is all that keeps me going here. Please don�t forget me!

Jake Smith"


So does the home page:
"If anyone should find this message, please get word to Sandra Rafflethorpe of Palm Avenue in Lewiston, Idaho that her sister, Sally is alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse..."


Please let me know if I'm being redundant, I've been lurking for a long time... and I try to keep up.

There are tons of those all over the site. Check out the other thread to see them all:

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=17880.0

That thread is entirely about that website.

So the last episode says Gate 23, the site says 15. What other episodes mention the gate? I looked back at a few eps where they were in the airport and didn't see anything.

There are tons of those all over the site. Check out the other thread to see them all:

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=17880.0

That thread is entirely about that website.


OH! Thank you!!! :)

Sorry.

How are you seeing these messages on these pages? I only see the one on the home page from Robert West. How do you see the other ones?

Love & Peace - Rosemarie

Copy the source code out of every page you can get to.

The tagline "they're not the survivors they think they are" is interesting. There's a few interpretations:

1) They not really great survivors - meaning 'they're not as good at surviving as they think they are', hinting at the possibility that more of them will die in season 2

2) They weren't on the flight they thought they were...



There is a third interpretation. *What if they did not survive an accident at all? I have been thinking for a long time that the Lostaways were simply placed on the island. Just like the movie "Cube" where the govt just placed people into the cube, which was a test environment.

Ok...I'm very computer unfriendly. What and where is the source code and how do you copy it??? Thanks for your help Vertical!

Love & Peace - Rosemarie :D

There is a third interpretation. *What if they did not survive an accident at all? I have been thinking for a long time that the Lostaways were simply placed on the island. Just like the movie "Cube" where the govt just placed people into the cube, which was a test environment.


True, true. This is possible. But it's a stretch, for reasons that have been gone over hundreds of times... but now with this preview and website, it is at least moderately more possible that the writers could potentially go that way.

RE - the source code... when you're viewing a web page in IE, click on the "View" menu item, then select "Source".

Read the quote above:

On the seatingchart page, the 777 is a reference to the type of plane.

When you click on Jack's seat (sometimes you need to do this twice), the 777 briefly flashes back and forth between 777 and "oceanicflight815.com". It's just meant to tease you into going to that website.

I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.


I understand what you saying, but I still feel that it is a flight number not a plane type. Because after you click on Jack's seat it flashes the Oceanic 777 for a second, then flashes Oceanic 815 and flight815.com. It just does make sense to me that they would take the time to show us that comparison and one of them be a plane type and the other a flight number. Maybe I'm reading in to it too much...who knows...but it just seems to fit with the little flash movie of "They are not the survivors they thought they were."

Thanks again Vertical. I have AOL and it doesn't have View on the toolbar but I opened up the website in IE and i was able to do it from there. Pretty cool...how do you guys figure all these things out???

Love & Peace - Rosemarie

I understand what you saying, but I still feel that it is a flight number not a plane type.* Because after you click on Jack's seat it flashes the Oceanic 777 for a second, then flashes Oceanic 815 and flight815.com.* It just does make sense to me that they would take the time to show us that comparison and one of them be a plane type and the other a flight number.* Maybe I'm reading in to it too much...who knows...but it just seems to fit with the little flash movie of "They are not the survivors they thought they were."


No, Vertical is right.* I worked in the airline industry for years, as a customer service rep and as a flight attendant.* What you are looking at is a seat map for Flight 815...the flight is listed on the top left.* It's what the ticket or gate agent would see when looking to assign seats, etc.* The Oceanic 777 refers to the type of plane assigned to that flight, and it gives you the corresponding seat layout for that aircraft type, Oceanic's version at least.* Airlines can have seats configured differently, and sometimes an airline will even have several different types of seat configurations for the same aircraft type in its fleet.* For instance, at United we had 3 different seat configurations for the 777.

The switch over to Flight815.com is just a way of getting you over to the new site.

It's just a site to generate buzz until the new season.* It might not necessarily contain accurate info or clues.* They did a similar thing for the movie AI and the group Creed...it was a thing called Creedquest.* Both of them were made by the same firm, Three Mountain Group, and they operated in the same exact fashion that the Oceanic site is.* It was a bit of fun to keep fans talking.

Plus, Vertical points out in another thread that JJ said the aircraft is a 777, although they used L1011 pieces for the wreckage props.* See here http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue387/interview3.html

No, Vertical is right.* I worked in the airline industry for years, as a customer service rep and as a flight attendant.* What you are looking at is a seat map for Flight 815...the flight is listed on the top left.* It's what the ticket or gate agent would see when looking to assign seats, etc.* The Oceanic 777 refers to the type of plane assigned to that flight, and it gives you the corresponding seat layout for that aircraft type, Oceanic's version at least.* Airlines can have seats configured differently, and sometimes an airline will even have several different types of seat configurations for the same aircraft type in its fleet.* For instance, at United we had 3 different seat configurations for the 777.

The switch over to Flight815.com is just a way of getting you over to the new site.

It's just a site to generate buzz until the new season.* It might not necessarily contain accurate info or clues.* They did a similar thing for the movie AI and the group Creed...it was a thing called Creedquest.* Both of them were made by the same firm, Three Mountain Group, and they operated in the same exact fashion that the Oceanic site is.* It was a bit of fun to keep fans talking.

Plus, Vertical points out in another thread that JJ said the aircraft is a 777, although they used L1011 pieces for the wreckage props.* See here http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue387/interview3.html




Yeah, maybe you're right...I just love the speculation....can't wait for season 2 to get here

Too funny! Found this on the site too:

ALL FLIGHTS CANCELLED
Featured Package
Australia - Starting at
$1815

I also noticed that you can type in 815 into the flight check page to get to the tracking page - OR you could type in 500 and get there as well. Those are the only two flight numbers that work, and I don't see 500 on the list of planes that are on the tracking page. Strange...

True, true. This is possible. But it's a stretch, for reasons that have been gone over hundreds of times... but now with this preview and website, it is at least moderately more possible that the writers could potentially go that way.


I think it's even more possible after seeing the Oceanic web site. According to the site, the plane arrived in LA.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume there was no crash. We know the Lostaways were selected to be on the island based on the emphasis on the backstories. Fate may have selected them and brought the plane down. To me, it seems more plausible that something more tangible selected them (CIA, research agency, or whatever) and there was no plane crash (just brainwashing). All we know up to this point is they woke up with a burning fuselage on the beach. This concept would be along the same lines as the movie "The Game" which has been mentioned in other posts.

how about two flight 815s ?? LIke the one that was "real" and landed in LA, and the "other" 815 that crashed on the island... hence why no one is looking for it, gives credence to the fact that they were brought to island, etc etc.

Meta :)

But Meta, Oceanic's site (the fake one there) mentions the "flight 815" tragedy as why they're shutting down. So clearly (if this site is to be taken as legit), Oceanic admits flight 815 crashed (or disappeared).

To me, it seems more plausible that something more tangible selected them (CIA, research agency, or whatever) and there was no plane crash (just brainwashing). All we know up to this point is they woke up with a burning fuselage on the beach. This concept would be along the same lines as the movie "The Game" which has been mentioned in other posts.

Well, yeah, but what about the other 200 or so corpses that must have been in the fuselage? What about the dead bodies in the lake in Whatever The Case May Be? Why put those bodies there? For realism, just in case anyone ever goes swimming in the lake and swims down to the bottom?

not necessarily... it just says tragedy... maybe there was food poisoning and when the "real" 815 landed people died- or maybe the pilot had a heart attack and the co-pilot had to land it... tragedy doesn't have to mean death. :)

could someone please tell me where on that site it says that it landed in LA. The only thing that I found was that it's status is Alert.