We have a ship called the Black Rock sitting on a hill several miles inland.* Locke says it was probably out of Mozambique.* We have a Beechcraft out of Nigeria perched at the top of a cliff.* Inside we have a map of Nigeria and the Sahara.* We have Sayid attending Cairo University and visiting the beach at Sharm el-Sheik on the Red Sea.* We have a theory that the numbers could be coordinates to someplace in Nigeria.* We have Anthony Cooper, who appears to be a collector of African art.* We have a quote:

Walt

* * * * * * Who cares about birds of Australia, anyway? We're in Australia.

Brian [to Susan who looks ill]

* * * * * * You okay?

Susan

* * * * * * I'm feeling kind of flu-ey.

Walt

* * * * * * Shouldn't we be studying birds of Egypt or something?

We also have a spoiler.* I don't usually look at real spoilers, but I was spoiled on this board some time back, so here it is. Until we have an answer regarding it's authenticity, please take it with a grain of salt.

There are production photos of a snake, I believe I heard it was a python.* I have not actually seen these pictures, so if the spoiled among you have reason to suspect the information is incorrect please let me know.* I'll remove this part of my post.

Does anyone have anything else?

Please humor my ignorance/stupidity. How does the

snake

tie in?

Please humor my ignorance/stupidity. How does the

Certain pythons are indigenous to Nigeria.

I recall reading about that recently, and I think it was nixed, or not true????

Here's a pretty oblique reference.

Jack to Kate: Uh-huh. Tell me something. How come anytime there's a hike into the
Heart of Darkness, you sign up? You know what's in there.

The novel Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad describes a journey into the interior of the Congo.

This isn't a direct reference, but it's really interesting in light of the religious references in the show and the naming of Claire's baby Aaron.

The Lemba tribe which is in in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Malawi and Mozambique, has been genetically linked to be descendants of the Cohanim, Jewish priests descended from Aaron, the first High Priest and Mose's brother.. Here's a little news article:

The Lemba, a Bantu-speaking people of southern Africa, have a tradition that they were led out of Judea by a man named Buba. They practice circumcision, keep one day a week holy and avoid eating pork or pig-like animals, such as the hippopotamus.
Several groups around the world practice Judaic rites or claim to be descended from biblical tribes without having any ancestral Jewish connection.
But the remarkable thing about the Lemba tradition is that it may be exactly right. A team of geneticists has found that many chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron. The genetic signature of priests - a hereditary caste, with certain ritual roles - is particularly common among Lemba men who belong to the senior of their 12 groups, known as the Buba clan.
The discovery of the Lemba's Jewish ancestry has come about through the intertwining of two unusual strands of inquiry. One was developed by geneticists in the United States, Israel and England who wondered what truth there might be to the Jewish tradition that priests are the descendants of Aaron, the elder brother of Moses.

When I first started to read your post, cinnamon, I thought you were going to say something about Nigerian Yorubas.* They traditionally don't name their children until the eighth day of life, a full week after birth.* It makes me wonder exactly how much time elapsed between Aaron's birth and his naming. I really like the Aaron information.* *Considering Claire's connection to the Black Rock and it's occupants from Mozambique, it really resonates.

Ducky, yours is awesome too. I never would have made the connection, but I think there is one. ;)

Thanks, nice to know that required summer reading from (way back when in) high school actually was useful. ;D

good catch on the Heart of Darkness. Bookmark.

I recall reading about that recently, and I think it was nixed, or not true?

WIF, if you can find where that came about, would please post it here? I've been searching through old threads where it was discussed. I haven't found anything to discredit it yet.

I think the original source of the
snake
rumor was info found on this site: http://www.animalmakers.com/ If you click on the television-resume link, you will find pix of the work they did for Lost by scrolling down the alphabetized list of programs.

Thanks czardingus, I feel better having seen it for myself.

So, what does all this Africa stuff mean? Thanks. :)

So, what does all this Africa stuff mean? Thanks.

Juniebun, I'm not sure exactly what it all means. I've been working on a theory though. It's just that the thread is so long I think sometimes it puts people off. I hoped more people would go looking for referrences so I started a new thread. This is about where we started discussing it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=14135.810

Here's a pretty oblique reference.

Jack to Kate: Uh-huh.* Tell me something.* How come anytime there's a hike into the
Heart of Darkness, you sign up?* You know what's in there.

The novel Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad describes a journey into the interior of the Congo.


Here's the IMDB's blurb on the movie. I'll see if there's a more detailed one about the book.

Marlow is an ambitious and adventurous sailor who is employed by an English trading company and sent to an African colony. There he travels up the river, visiting the trading stations who barters for ivory with the natives. On his journey he is told about a man named Kurtz whose station is the one furthest up the river, deep in the African jungle. Some talk of him in awe, others in admiration, but they all seem to fear him. As Marlow gets closer and closer to Kurtz he understands that the man has gone insane and is now doing the most horrible and blasphemous deeds. Based on Joseph Conrad's classic novel about greed and insanity.

Ah, this is what I was looking for.

Previously the inspiration for Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now (1979), the dark nove ... the dark novella Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad, a parable about greed .

I guess Heart of Darkness should be added to the book list.

Speculation for another page perhaps, but I could envision Locke being lured in by the power of the island and going native like Kurtz. He's already sort of under its spell and his line about Boone being a sacrifice that the island demanded was creepy and cold.

Speculation for another page perhaps, but I could envision Locke being lured in by the power of the island and going native like Kurtz. He's already sort of under its spell and his line about Boone being a sacrifice that the island demanded was creepy and cold.


I wonder what Marlow's ship was named?

WIF, if you can find where that came about, would please post it here?* I've been searching through old threads where it was discussed.* I haven't found anything to discredit it yet.*


I looked all over yesterday, and can't find it.* I haven't been reading spoilers, but this one day I did.* I thought I was on Lost Links, but I checked and didn't see it.

What I recall is either it was leaked and so they nixed it, or the company that makes these props, was doing it for someone else.* *Sorry for the 2 reasons, but both seem familiar somehow.* I know that makes no sense.

I recall someone trying to identify the different ethnicities (is that a word?) of the survivors, and saw a pik of a man wearing a colorful crocheted hat. They thought it was a Tam, to indicate he was Jewish, but I crochet those hats all the time. I think it might be a loose dark continent reference.

http://www.pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/barrons/heartdk04.asp

Synopsis of the Heart Of Darkness. See if anything looks fimiliar?

We've got Heart of Darkness listed on the Long Lost List in the Literary References section. Here's what he have so far:

Heart of Darkness, by Joseph Conrad

In WALK, Jack mentions heart of darkness to Kate:
Jack: "Tell me something, how come every time there's a hike in the heart of darkness you sign up? You know what's in there."
Excerpt from Walkabout, written by David Fury
Also, Charlie mentions the character Kurtz to Hurley in NUM.
Briefly, Heart of Darkness centers around Marlow, an introspective sailor, and his journey up the Congo River to meet Kurtz, reputed to be an idealistic man of great abilities.
For more plot summary see SparkNotes.com (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/heart/summary.html)

Character Analyses:
Kurtz - The chief of the Inner Station and the object of Marlow’s quest. Kurtz is a man of many talents—we learn, among other things, that he is a gifted musician and a fine painter—the chief of which are his charisma and his ability to lead men. Kurtz is a man who understands the power of words, and his writings are marked by an eloquence that obscures their horrifying message. Although he remains an enigma even to Marlow, Kurtz clearly exerts a powerful influence on the people in his life. His downfall seems to be a result of his willingness to ignore the hypocritical rules that govern European colonial conduct: Kurtz has “kicked himself loose of the earth” by fraternizing excessively with the natives and not keeping up appearances; in so doing, he has become wildly successful but has also incurred the wrath of his fellow white men.
Marlow - The protagonist of Heart of Darkness. Marlow is philosophical, independent-minded, and generally skeptical of those around him. He is also a master storyteller, eloquent and able to draw his listeners into his tale. Although Marlow shares many of his fellow Europeans’ prejudices, he has seen enough of the world and has encountered enough debased white men to make him skeptical of imperialism.
For more in-depth character analysis see SparkNotes.com (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/heart/canalysis.html)

*Note: Since Charlie actually refers to Hurley as "Colonel Kurtz", it's more likely he was referring to the character in the movie Apocolypse Now which is based on Heart of Darkness.

Also under Movie References for Apocalypse Now:

Apocalypse Now

An immense Vietnam War epic, Apocalypse Now fully realizes the chaos and absurdity of this jungle conflict before slipping into the same trap. Opening with the hypnotic beat of helicopter blades, the scene merges with Captain Willard's (Martin Sheen) view of a lazily spinning ceiling fan. In his Saigon hotel room Willard inhabits a private purgatory, unable to function at home in the States yet reluctant to return to the front line. Used to working alone on top secret missions Willard is briefed on his final task, an operation which doesn't exist and never took place. Deep in the jungle, over the Cambodian border, Colonel Kurtz (Marlon Brando) has broken away from higher command and formed his own military cult. Citing his obvious plunge into insanity and unsound methods, the military have accused Kurtz of murder and want Willard to assassinate him.

In Numbers, Hurley takes off into the jungle on a mad quest to find out why Danielle, the French lady, wrote the cursed lottery numbers over and over on a piece of paper. Hurley wants answers to his questions about the numbers and risks the dangers of the jungle to find her. Sayid, Jack and Charlie set off to find Hurley, finally finding him just as he's about to set off a booby trap he's stumbled upon. They continue on with him to try to find Danielle.

At one point in the trek Charlie starts asking Hurley about his strange behavior.
Charlie: "What do I want? I want to know what we're doing in the middle of nowhere? And don't tell me it's because of some stinking batteries. One minute you're happy-go-lucky, good time Hurley and the next you're Colonel-bloody-Kurtz. It just doesn't make any sense. It's not you."
Excerpt from Numbers, written by David Fury and Brent Fletcher

Let me know if there's anything else I could add to this for the List.

*Note: Since Charlie actually refers to Hurley as "Colonel Kurtz", it's more likely he was referring to the character in the movie Apocolypse Now which is based on Heart of Darkness.

One thing I don't see mentioned is that Marlowe's aunt calls him Charlie.

One thing I don't see mentioned is that Marlowe's aunt calls him Charlie.


Oooh, good one. I'll have to add that in.
Thanks!

I recall someone trying to identify the different ethnicities (is that a word?) of the survivors, and saw a pik of a man wearing a colorful crocheted hat. They thought it was a Tam, to indicate he was Jewish, but I crochet those hats all the time. I think it might be a loose dark continent reference.

You mean a Yamulka? I'm not sure I spelled that right. Can you send us a link? My question is why would someone be wearing a crocheted hat like that on an island in the Pacific. Isn't the point of a crocheted hat to keep yourself from losing heat through your scalp? Makes me wonder if it was one of the Others. Hmmm...

You mean a Yamulka?* I'm not sure I spelled that right.* Can you send us a link?* My question is why would someone be wearing a crocheted hat like that on an island in the Pacific.* Isn't the point of a crocheted hat to keep yourself from losing heat through your scalp?* Makes me wonder if it was one of the Others.* Hmmm...


I don't have a screencap handy, but the initial reference sounds as if it was referring to the cap that Michael is wearing in his flashback in Special.* It did not look like any yarmulke that I've ever seen, and I don't believe he wears it on the island at all.*

Was it verified that Cooper had African art? thx

I have a feeling the pik was from the ones someone posted about doubles, and this guy found the dude in the background.* I'll keep my eyes open for it.


I did have this copied, but deleted a whole page of stuff somehow.* t8rotz puts in threads of minute details, and he had a part when Charlie tells Locke he played ceremonial drums, or something along that line.* Going hunting.* :(

My short term memory is horrible. It's a flute not a drum ???

t8rtotz - Charlie walks up to Locke and sits down. Locke gives him an interesting stare. He scratches his head.
Locke is wearing a checkered shirt. Charlie is wearing a horizontally striped shirt.
Charlie mentions he used tribal flutes in a recording session after Locke tells him he is making a whistle

Was it verified that Cooper had African art? thx

Coupons, I'm reasonably sure, without being an African art expert, that Cooper is a collector.* It's just not a lot of tribal art, which might be what you were expecting.* It looks to me like Colonial African.* A lot of architectural art, like the columns.* You can't see them all very well in the screencaps, but there is one really good shot.* There's a column right behind Cooper.* It looks like your classical column mostly, except it has a lot of carvings in it with primitive motifs.* Also, there's a shot of Locke that shows, what I believe to be, a large African currency blade.* The wrought iron also makes me think colonial African.* *Here and there in the wrought iron railing is a bird motif which reminds of something ceremonial, but I can't remember the name of it.* It has to do with healing though.* There is at least one candelabra that looks to be carved wood.* I think it's African, but the wood is so dark it's hard to tell.* It all just sort of screams "great white hunter."*::)* Anyway, most of it is really dark, which makes it hard to be sure.

ETA: The bird motif in African art can also symbolize divination...the bird of prophesy. That also fits with Lost, especially since Emily told him he was part of some kind of grand design. Hmmm...

wow shoot good detail you know African art I was only hoping that it was aboriginal because I just think there is a lot more to be unfolded about OZ connections

The survivors have unwittingly been cannibals. The boars were in the fuselage with the bodies, before Locke bagged a boar.

I looked all over yesterday, and can't find it.* I haven't been reading spoilers, but this one day I did.* I thought I was on Lost Links, but I checked and didn't see it.

What I recall is either it was leaked and so they nixed it, or the company that makes these props, was doing it for someone else.* *Sorry for the 2 reasons, but both seem familiar somehow.* I know that makes no sense.

I recall someone trying to identify the different ethnicities (is that a word?) of the survivors, and saw a pik of a man wearing a colorful crocheted hat.* They thought it was a Tam, to indicate he was Jewish, but I crochet those hats all the time.* I think it might be a loose dark continent reference.


Yesterday I did a search and I think I found the thread you wanted but i must have posted it someplace else. I did an advanced search for Javi. I'll see if I can find it again.

The survivors have unwittingly been cannibals.* The boars were in the fuselage with the bodies, before Locke bagged a boar.
Explain please

Not my original post, but I assume the cannibal referrence was 2nd hand - the boars eat the people, then the survivors eat the boars...

Yeah! After looking at the hd screencaps, I'm unequivocal. There are all kinds of sculptures in that room that don't show up in other screencaps. There are some Asian things in the entry hall, but the main room we are shown is overwhelmingly African inspired. There's even a lion's head over the mantle. There are human figurals that are eerily similar to something I've seen in a museum. There could be an Oceanic piece or two thrown into the mix, since they would blend well aesthetically. Still, he's a definite on the African art.

http://www.pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/barrons/heartdk04.asp

Synopsis of the Heart Of Darkness. See if anything looks fimiliar?

Let's not forget "Hearts of Darkness," either. "Hearts of Darkness" was the film about the making of "Apocalypse Now," which was based on the book Heart of Darkness. It is an incredible "the making of..." movie that really gets into how difficult, and nearly deadly, the "Apocalypse Now" film was.

"There were too many of us, we had access to too much equipment, too much money, and little by little we went insane. "
- Francis Ford Coppola, in "Heats of Darkness"

"There were too many of us, we had access to too much equipment, too much money, and little by little we went insane. "
- Francis Ford Coppola, in "Heats of Darkness"

That sounds a bit like life imitating art doesn't it? They became the thing they loved.

We have a ship called the Black Rock sitting on a hill several miles inland.* Locke says it was probably out of Mozambique.* We have a Beechcraft out of Nigeria perched at the top of a cliff.* Inside we have a map of Nigeria and the Sahara.* We have Sayid attending Cairo University and visiting the beach at Sharm el-Sheik on the Red Sea.* We have a theory that the numbers could be coordinates to someplace in Nigeria.* We have Anthony Cooper, who appears to be a collector of African art.* We have a quote:


We also have a spoiler.* I don't usually look at real spoilers, but I was spoiled on this board some time back, so here it is.* Until we have an answer regarding it's authenticity, please take it with a grain of salt.

There are production photos of a snake, I believe I heard it was a python.* I have not actually seen these pictures, so if the spoiled among you have reason to suspect the information is incorrect please let me know.* I'll remove this part of my post.

Does anyone have anything else?


http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=8508.0

SG, I think we can keep our spoiler for now. What do you think? I don't think Javi wants us to not watch Lost.

SG, I think we can keep our spoiler for now.* What do you think?* I don't think Javi wants us to not watch Lost.

I think the spoiler stays.

There's one other pretty obvious connection here that seems to be "hiding in the light." Locke appears to have a lot of knowledge of Africa. Are there things he learned from Cooper that we have not been privy to? Surely they hunted together more than a couple of times before Locke just offered to give up a kidney. Hmm...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=118 Anthony Coopers
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=119
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=124

SG, do you have the hd ones? I've been trying to post them all day, but photobucket won't load for some reason. Maybe they're busy. :( There's a LOT more than we can see in these photos. There is a waterbuffalo sculpture, 4 human figurals on the sofa table, a very large bird sculpture in an recess, and I think there's another sculpture on the hearth. There appears to be some kind of ceremonial figural vessel on a pedestal, but what it represents I haven't figured out yet. There's a lamp on a really interesting table. The lamp has a cheetah print lampshade. The base of the table appears to be some kind of animal, but I can't see the whole thing. The tall candelabra in your pic has a ring of African antelope around one section of the pedestal. I know I haven't listed it all, but hopefully I'll be able to get pics up soon.

The Lemba tribe which is in* in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Malawi and Mozambique, has been genetically linked to be descendants of the Cohanim, Jewish priests descended from Aaron, the first High Priest and Mose's brother..* Here's a little news article:


Ooo, I'm so glad I found this thread -- I've been meaning to bring up a special I saw on the National Geographic Channel that searched for the "real" Adam. *By looking at mutations on the Y chromosome, they traced all men on Earth today to one man in East Africa. *Here's an interesting site tracing the spread of humans: https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

The special said that the genetic "Adam" was not necesarily the first human. *They theorized that he was the first human with advanced reasoning skills, enabling him to excel at creating weapons to hunt with, and use and create an advanced language. *I don't know if this is important to this discussion, but I thought I'd throw it in, just in case.

Not my original post, but I assume the cannibal referrence was 2nd hand - the boars eat the people, then the survivors eat the boars...


Thanks ;) that what I meant. I was grasping at Dark Continent references with that one. After I posted I thought about cannibals. I have heard stories of it in Canada, and I wonder if it's a worldwide thing, and not just related to the South Pacific and Africa.

Hello...would someone mind explaining to me what the Africa discussion ultimately means or leads us to, etc.? How does it connect the Losties, their parents, the "supposed" plane crash, the island? I ask because I missed how this thread/idea started, not bc I don't agree with it. I just don't know what it is explaining. Thanks! ;D

Juniebun, didn't you ask that question before? I'm pretty sure I responded already. Yes, I did. It was on page 2. Short term memory is a tricky thing I guess. ;)

Personally, I'm beginning to wonder if the Dark Territory isn't somehow related to Africa.

Here is a link to the hd pic that I have lightened just a bit. You can clearly see the figurals on the sofa table. To the far left you can see about half of what I now think may be a Yoruba/Nigerian mask. I've seen some masks that look very similar to this.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/lostep190359.jpg

It's from this site.

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

Here is a link to the hd pic that I have lightened just a bit. You can clearly see the figurals on the sofa table. To the far left you can see about half of what I now think may be a Yoruba/Nigerian mask. I've seen some masks that look very similar to this.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/lostep190359.jpgIt's from this site.

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des


Are you just presenting this information for it's own sake, or saying his father has somehting to do with all of it?

He's a big game hunter, and Africa is a VERY popular hunting grounds for these guys.

Are you just presenting this information for it's own sake, or saying his father has somehting to do with all of it?

Well, we certainly know that it wasn't hard for Locke to guess the guy in the priest's garb was from Nigeria, since the currency he used to identify him clearly said it Nigerian Naira. What we don't know is how Locke knew that the Black Rock was out of Mozambique. I'm thinking Locke spent a lot more time with Cooper than we are aware of at the very least. Maybe he learned a thing or two about Africa from him.

SG, do you have the hd ones?* I've been trying to post them all day, but photobucket won't load for some reason.* Maybe they're busy. :(* There's a LOT more than we can see in these photos.* There is a waterbuffalo sculpture, 4 human figurals on the sofa table, a very large bird sculpture in an recess, and I think there's another sculpture on the hearth.* There appears to be some kind of ceremonial figural vessel on a pedestal, but what it represents I haven't figured out yet.* There's a lamp on a really interesting table.* The lamp has a cheetah print lampshade.* The base of the table appears to be some kind of animal, but I can't see the whole thing.* The tall candelabra in your pic has a ring of African antelope around one section of the pedestal.* I know I haven't listed it all, but hopefully I'll be able to get pics up soon.

I can only look at them when I'm at work, my connection at home takes for hours. I never tried photobuckt but could these pictures be so large that it takes a long time?

I always go to the HD site to really look at things, except for the last few episodes that they haven't put on yet.

Here is a link to the hd pic that I have lightened just a bit.* You can clearly see the figurals on the sofa table.* To the far left you can see about half of what I now think may be a Yoruba/Nigerian mask.* I've seen some masks that look very similar to this.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/lostep190359.jpg

It's from this site.

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des


Whoooo, Yeah for you. There has been a big question that can only be answered by getting the HD cap. The pictures on the mantle at Anthony Coopers, The one he is in with another person, do you think you could get it into photobucket and link it here? I thought that the other person in it could be Lenny but another idea just hit me. You know the guy that Hurley bought the scooter from, he also played Charlie's preist, he wore glasses and a baseball cap and we'd have to compare their pictures.

SG, I'm going to look for the cap. Is there a particular thread where you want it?

SG, here's the cap in question.* I lightened it as well.*

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/lostep190332.jpg

This cap was also obtained from:

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

I can't really say it looks much like Lenny to me.* He looks older.* The thing that strikes me about it, is it looks like the pic was taken out west somewhere.* Cooper's wearing a cowboy hat and holding a gun.* I have a pic almost exactly like that of my Dad from when he was about 17.* It was taken in Montana, BTW.* You can see a window in the background.* It really looks like it's out west someplace in the mountains.* OR, could it be Canada?

ETA: The cap loses something in the translation from my computer to photobucket. He really does look older than Lenny. As long ago as it was, he should have looked younger.

SG, here's the cap in question.* I lightened it as well.*

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/lostep190332.jpg

This cap was also obtained from:

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

I can't really say it looks much like Lenny to me.* He looks older.* The thing that strikes me about it, is it looks like the pic was taken out west somewhere.* Cooper's wearing a cowboy hat and holding a gun.* I have a pic almost exactly like that of my Dad from when he was about 17.* It was taken in Montana, BTW.* You can see a window in the background.* It really looks like it's out west someplace in the mountains.* OR, could it be Canada?

ETA:* The cap loses something in the translation from my computer to photobucket.* He really does look older than Lenny.* As long ago as it was, he should have looked younger.*


Thanks for doing that Shootfire.
That guy is in the picture for a reason. It's so hard to tell. I don't know why it reminds me of Lenny. I wonder if it could be Sam Toomey? I just have this feeling that Anthony Cooper is involved in the Numbers somehow.

Sam, did you notice something black in that window? I don't know why, but it made me think of Mt. Saint Helen's -black smoke. It's probably nothing, but...

Quote
Sam G
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.phpname=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=47&pos=548
Jack in mouth of caveWhat are the 4 red rectangular shaped things to our right (looking at pik)? The front one looks like a mask.

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Sam G - http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=363 This wreckage looks like a smaller older planeWhat is in the bottom left of the pik? Another mask, or just plane damage? Doesn't the main piece of the plane look like a face?

:jump1: Found one of the Lost piks

ommadawn

This show has representatives of several religions.
Was wondering who is the Jewish guy among them.
Found him:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/ommadawn1/Jew.jpg

Thanks for doing that Shootfire.
That guy is in the picture for a reason. It's so hard to tell. I don't know why it reminds me of Lenny. I wonder if it could be Sam Toomey? I just have this feeling that Anthony Cooper is involved in the Numbers somehow.
Is that a crocodile frame?

We have another lostaway who had an indirect connection to Africa
Charlie

Charlie comes from the UK, a country with lots of colonies in Africa, some still belong to the Commonwealth)

But more important, the thing he stole from that girl's house belonged to Sir Winston Churchill
Churchill had a lot of things to do with Africa, including being captured and sent to prison in South Africa before escaping
He also was a soldier in Egypt and Sudan, and participated in one of the last cavalry charges in British military history


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also when feeding the 4,8,15,16,23,42 as coordinates (lat and lon) on a map, we end up in the Central African Republic, more precisely in a region called "Haute Sangha" (High Sangha)
This region was once part of the French Congo => maybe another tie to Danielle

Sam, did you notice something black in that window? I don't know why, but it made me think of Mt. Saint Helen's -black smoke. It's probably nothing, but...

It's dark but I think it could be a hummingbird feeder.

This is rather indirect, but since I believe I've read somewhere "Lost" may be based loosely on Shakespeare's "The Tempest", I thought I'd throw it into the mix.

The reason why King Alonso and party are out at sea is because he was returning to Naples from attending the wedding of his daughter to the Prince of Tunis (Tunisia).* Tunisia is in North Africa, between Algeria and Libya.

There are at least two apparent vessals out of Africa that crashed on the island.* The Nigerian Beechcraft full of heroin and the Black Rock out of Mozambique, according to Locke.

It's dark but I think it could be a hummingbird feeder.


The picture looks, to me, to have been taken on a covered patio, the black shape looks like some kind of sculpture to me. I can see how it could also look like black smoke.

I just rewatched DEM.* When the plane falls, after it tips over, you can hear monkeys in the background.

ETA: Hmm...it looked like a hunting lodge to me. You don't often see clocks on on a porch. A hunting lodge is usually pretty rustic in appearance though. I suppose it could be either. I'm pretty sure I'm seeing mountains. As for whatever that is that's black, I couldn't guess. I suppose it could be something hanging from the eaves. There seems to be an eliptical form to the base of it. Guess we'll have to wait and see what's important about that picture. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. It just looks like someplace I might have been before. The men in the picture.. :lol2:...could be members of my family. That's how familiar it looks.

I just rewatched DEM.* When the plane falls, after it tips over, you can hear monkeys in the background.

ETA:* Hmm...it looked like a hunting lodge to me.* You don't often see clocks on on a porch.* A hunting lodge is usually pretty rustic in appearance though.* I suppose it could be either.* I'm pretty sure I'm seeing mountains.* As for whatever that is that's black, I couldn't guess.* I suppose it could be something hanging from the eaves.* There seems to be an eliptical form to the base of it.* Guess we'll have to wait and see what's important about that picture.* Maybe I'm reading too much into it.* It just looks like someplace I might have been before.* The men in the picture.. :lol2:...could be members of my family.* That's how familiar it looks.* *


I don't know what pik you guys are talking about, but it is common to have a barometer? that looks like a clock outside a lodge. I bought my dad one for Father's Day, and it was round like a clock with a picture of deer or ducks in the background.

WIF, it's the pic from Cooper's mantle, the one with Cooper and another man.* I posted a pic from the hd site earlier.* Look and see what you think.

On the cocktail table
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=90&pos=1
Maybe it is this http://www.shopnewzealand.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=3343&language=en (http://www.shopnewzealand.co.nz/product_info.php?products_id=3343&language=en)
Found this when I was looking at something for Shootfire so you never know what you will find when you look back over things

I was looking through the hd screencaps for White Rabbit and found an antique looking elephant lamp at Christian's house. It was in the center of a table with some photographs.

WIF, it's the pic from Cooper's mantle, the one with Cooper and another man.* I posted a pic from the hd site earlier.* Look and see what you think.


I remember someone posting a pik where they took the Cooper's pik and blew it up so the head was the same size as Lenny's, and did a side by side. It looked like the same guy, so I did a search and nothing came up for Lenny with a pik ??? How long are our posts and old threads kept?

brings us all back to the parents being connected, huh? :P

I remember someone posting a pik where they took the Cooper's pik and blew it up so the head was the same size as Lenny's, and did a side by side. It looked like the same guy, so I did a search and nothing came up for Lenny with a pik How long are our posts and old threads kept?

I thought they were kept indefinitely WIF.

brings us all back to the parents being connected, huh?

Well, I don't know if all the parents are connected, but I'm beginning to think Cooper and Christian are connected somehow. Perhaps they have a common relative? In WR, Jack kept looking at the table with the photographs. He walked over there, and I think he may even have picked one up. I'm just not sure which picture it was. There was one picture there of a man with a dog that looked something like Vincent. It was a black & white. There was a newer looking photo that looked like animals of some kind. To me they looked like calves which seems strange, I know. I suppose they could have been some African game animal. I'll try and get the pic up some time today.

Anyway, the point of all that was, Jack and John are two forms of the same name. In families many members will have the same name. When people become estranged, they may still have been named after the same person, but neither branch knows the others. We saw the same thing happen with Michael and Susan. Walt is named for Michael's father but has Susan's family name. Wouldn't it be interesting if Jack and Locke were cousins or something? I don't really have a lot to base this on, just that there is a lot of estrangement in the show, and it would be a neat way for a lot of the lostaways to be connected to each other without actually knowing each other.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that Sawyer may be related to Claire's Thomas. NP pointed out that Sawyer's uncle died of a brain tumor and the Thomas' uncle died of something that had been previously misdiagnosed as cancer someplace else in the body. The fact that Aaron was calmed by Sawyer's voice might be explained by some quality of his voice that the baby associates with a familial connection.

Ooo, I'm so glad I found this thread -- I've been meaning to bring up a special I saw on the National Geographic Channel that searched for the "real" Adam. By looking at mutations on the Y chromosome, they traced all men on Earth today to one man in East Africa. Here's an interesting site tracing the spread of humans: https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't actually extremely relevent. For anyone who hasn't done any geneological research, there is a laboratory that will do genetic testing for you. They say that everyone on earth today shares some genetic code with a small group of ancesters. They have them numbered and call them Eve 1, Eve 2, and so forth. For a price they will tell you which Adam and Eve were most likely your original ancestors.

I remember someone posting a pik where they took the Cooper's pik and blew it up so the head was the same size as Lenny's, and did a side by side.* It looked like the same guy, so I did a search and nothing came up for Lenny with a pik* ???* *How long are our posts and old threads kept?

I think they are all here. If you go to page one of General Theories or any other section it goes back to when it was started. You can looks back to your first post. *I think everything is still here.

I was looking through the hd screencaps for White Rabbit and found an antique looking elephant lamp at Christian's house.* It was in the center of a table with some photographs.*

Isn't the HD site great? When you want detail they're the caps to look at. Lost-Media is good but I find that alot of the caps that we're interested in they didn't get.

Can someone post pics of Jack's Dad's coffin empty, and before it was empty? Were there any shots of the coffin/body before it was put in the plane?

Isn't the HD site great? When you want detail they're the caps to look at. Lost-Media is good but I find that alot of the caps that we're interested in they didn't get.

Yep, I put them on slideshow and when something catches my attention, I stop and play with the lighting and such.

Can someone post pics of Jack's Dad's coffin empty, and before it was empty? Were there any shots of the coffin/body before it was put in the plane?


I don't think we ever saw Christian's body in the coffin. We only saw his body in the morgue prior to the flight.

Can someone post pics of Jack's Dad's coffin empty, and before it was empty? Were there any shots of the coffin/body before it was put in the plane?

Christian was just in a body bag in the morgue.

Shootfire...when did we find out about Claire's Thomas having an uncle with cancer? I forgot about that little bit of information. Also, do you think that Cooper and Christian are related or simply connected through work, etc.? When I say "work", though, I don't mean their "9 till 5" positions. Instead, I mean some sort of secret group...this reminds me...I came across A Wrinkle in Time in the bookshelf where my husband and I are temporarily living. I was thinking of buying the book to reread, as it has been awhile. Surprisingly, it was here and I am halfway through it. The secret government group studying time travel is at the core, which makes me wonder. I may start a new thread on the book and its connection to the show. Any thoughts?

Juniebun, at the moment I'm having trouble getting away from the idea that they might be related in the familial sense.*

Here are the photos I meant to post yesterday .

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/christians.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/elephant.jpg

This is from RBA transcript.

Thomas

No, no, no, my uncle he thought he had testicular cancer, remember that.

Claire

He did. He's dead.

Thomas

Yeah. I mean, no, no. It was like the wrong. . . it was a bad diagnosis. Look, this thing, it doesn't mean for sure that you're pregnant.

Thanks for the pics...interesting...

So, family relations...would make for an interesting twist to the supposed battle between Jack and Locke...kinda like an estranged Cain and Abel...mabye their fathers didn't get along, either...???

So, family relations...would make for an interesting twist to the supposed battle between Jack and Locke...kinda like an estranged Cain and Abel...mabye their fathers didn't get along, either...

Hmmm, Cooper a man of faith and Christian a man of science? Could be...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/christians.jpg Notice the golden lab in the pik.

Who are these people? The guy looks like Jack, but I don't recognize the woman.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/elephant.jpg

Who are these people?* The guy looks like Jack, but I don't recognize the woman.

WIF, this scene is in WR.* It's Jack and, I believe, Christian's wife.* I'm not willing to risk assuming it's Jack's mother because she wasn't at the wedding that I saw.

ETA: Well, after rereading the transcript he did call her Mom. Hmm...

Jack does call her "mom" at one point.

So other than Locke and Anthony Cooper who else has any hinted connection to Africa?

So other than Locke and Anthony Cooper who else has any hinted connection to Africa?

It appears to me that Christian may have some connection.

Take a look at that elephant lamp in those screencaps - in Jack's Mom's house .... I know it's very "Pier One"-ish - but it could also be a visual connection. Thoughts?

Bess, that's what I think.* The props have to come from someplace don't they? :laugh:* Christian is the chief of surgery.* There's just not a lot of "junk" in that room.* I think it's supposed to be special, hence its location in the center of the table.* Besides which, a lot of people have antique figures that they turn into lamps.* It's very easy to do.*

Also there are some wooden balls on the coffee table in Christian's office.* They're pretty hard to see, but I'm downloading some hd screencaps from that epi.* Hopefully I will get them in this batch.* Anyway, they do look like an African ball puzzle from what I can see.* They don't appear to be in a bowl of any kind.* Surely they are attached to something or they would be rolling off the table all the time.* Hmmm...* There were other things there that I couldn't see, so maybe the hd caps will work.

ETA: Oh, BTW, I was trying to figure out what that piano had to do with the African theme going on in Cooper's living room, when it dawned on me. The keys are ebony and ivory. Now, considering that Jack has a piano just like it, I wonder if Cooper didn't give it to him. Hmmm...

Now, if we see someone playing a mancala game, then I know there's a connection! ;)

Bess, I've been looking for mancala. :laugh:

ETA:* Oh, BTW, I was trying to figure out what that piano had to do with the African theme going on in Cooper's living room, when it dawned on me.* The keys are ebony and ivory.* Now, considering that Jack has a piano just like it, I wonder if Cooper didn't give it to him.* Hmmm...


Awesome. We know the ivory is connected to elephants and Africa, but what is the story on ebony.

I looked at the woman again today, and I think she is the main character from Hill Street Blues. The girlfriend of the head cop? If it is, she's had her lips done, but other than that it looks like her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebony

I looked at the woman again today, and I think she is the main character from Hill Street Blues. *The girlfriend of the head cop? *If it is, she's had her lips done, but other than that it looks like her.

That's right WIF, Veronica Hamel. *

I see Bess sent you a link for ebony. ;)

Thanks Bess

Most notably D. virginiana, the lightly coloured, fine-grained wood of which is used for some of the best golfclub heads and billiard cues and historically for the shuttles used in the textile industry.
Is pool the next game we will add to the list.

Persimmons tend to be light yellow-orange to dark red-orange in colour and varies from 2-8 cm in diameter according to species. This is the fruit that grows on some types.

Commercial forms include:Astringent: Korean

In Antwerp at the end of the 16th century, fine cabinets for the luxury trade were made of ebony, whose dense hardness lent itself to refined moldings framing finely detailed pictorial panels with carving in very low relief (bas-relief), usually of allegorical subjects, or taken from classical or Christian history.

Have we seen any of this in people's homes?

Awesome.* *We know the ivory is connected to elephants and Africa, but what is the story on ebony.

I looked at the woman again today, and I think she is the main character from Hill Street Blues.* The girlfriend of the head cop?* If it is, she's had her lips done, but other than that it looks like her.

Veronica Hamel plays Jack's mom and was on Hill Street Blue's

Take a look at that elephant lamp in those screencaps - in Jack's Mom's house .... I know it's very "Pier One"-ish - but it could also be a visual connection. Thoughts?

I wonder if the elephant is a reminder of something...in that elephants supposedly have good memories.

Good thought, TabbyRasa. Also, the elephant is a symbol of good luck, wisdom, family loyalty (hmmmm), and solitude.

Elephants are also symbolic of strength in African culture. Some tribes believe that chiefs are reincarnated as elephants.

I also found this interesting. According to Yoruba/Nigerian tradition, people choose their destiny in heaven before they are born. A man who is suddenly wealthy is said to have chosen his destiny wisely. Poor people must be patient.

The Yoruba believe that there is a god, Ori, who supervises people's choices in heaven. Literally, ori means 'head' or 'mind', because that is what one chooses before birth. If someone chooses a wise head, i.e. intelligence, wisdom, he will walk easily through life, but if someone chooses a fool's head, he will never succeed anywhere. Ori could be considered as a personal god, a sort of guardian angel who will accompany each of us for life, once chosen.

http://www.a-gallery.de/portal/english/mythology/mythology.htm

Seems an ufair and elitist way of explaining things...or bringing pretend validity to rich people in power...by adding a sort of "it's God's will" to it... >:(

Seems an ufair and elitist way of explaining things...or bringing pretend validity to rich people in power...by adding a sort of "it's God's will" to it...

Maybe, but it also inspires hope and patience in those who have less.* In the end, since the person chose his destiny, it kind of lands it back at his own feet doesn't it?

ETA: Here's your flare gun. Choose wisely when you use it. ;)

Christian and Heatherton both have the same kind of metal bird on their walls. It's a crested bird. I haven't been able to identify it as specifically African, but I have a strong suspicion that it is. It's a similar motif to the birds on Cooper's wrought-iron railing. Those birds were crested also.

Link, link please.

Link, link please.*


I think Shootfire has been looking at the HD screen captures.

Luv, sorry I've been out of town. I'll go through my caps again and try to get them onto photobucket so I can link to them. They were from the HD caps.

Here we are. They were only partial images in both scenes. Now, keep in mind that at Heatherton's the camera was moving, so it's a little more blurry than at Christian's. Why couldn't that Lucy be still? :laugh: I also lightened and enlarged it a bit, changing it's appearance somewhat. I was hoping to be able to see more of the detail on Heatherton's bird, but still, you can make out the similarity in the curve of the breast and the crest.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/christiansbird.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/heathertonsbird.jpg

oh my! Wow! Anyone have any screencaps of Cooper's railing, mentioned above in shootfire's post?

oh my! Wow! Anyone have any screencaps of Cooper's railing, mentioned above in shootfire's post?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=124

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=cap_it&keyword=Television+-+Lost&filter=all
Shootfire therese are the same HD caps with more added on up to Exodus. The last one or two I can't get into. At least there are more caps to play with. Just don't link to the individual pictures on the video ones at the end. You'll see what she says at the top of the page.

Shootfire therese are the same HD caps with more added on up to Exodus. The last one or two I can't get into. At least there are more caps to play with. Just don't link to the individual pictures on the video ones at the end. You'll see what she says at the top of the page.

Oh, yay, Sam G!* I have been waiting for these! :)* I really want to get a look at Jack's house.* I want to see if there's anything else that looks the same as Cooper's things.* It's a theory...

ETA: ACK! And now I see it's not his house, but a country club or something.

Just thought that I would mention to you guys that I found a lamp very much like Christian's on a site that sells reproduction and antique British Colonial home furnishings.* The elephant lamp they had for sale was a reproduction.* The only major difference was the lampshade.* The reproduction had more of a basket type lampshade.

http://www.danieljamesco.com/abbritcoldec.html

ETA:* I was going to give you folks my original link, but I can't find it.* Anyway, this one is close enough. The elephant lamp is confirmed British Colonial style.

I'm thinking the birds are supposed to represent the Egyptian Phoenix or Lapwing. I found a graphic online that looks quite a bit like them. Interestingly, lapwings, when depicted as the enemies of Re, are sometimes shown hanged.

http://petcaretips.net/mythology-bird.html

The Phoenix would be great. Ressurection, new life, new beginning etc.


I don't see anything on that site for lapwing's. Do you have one?

Love the connection to Charlie's hanging.

Here you go WIF.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/scorpionking.htm

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/lapwing.htm

http://www.digital-nature-photography.com/nature/voegel/lapwing-photos.php

Here's another Phoenix mythology page. I like this one because it explains some of the different names for the Phoenix.

http://leadingtonearts.com/SyncreticArt/ArisingPhoenix_info/PResearch/EgyP.html

I think I have seen a pik of those lapwing birds. I'm going to search the B.I.R.D. thread.

Where is that thread WIF? It might be helpful.

The B.I.R.D. thread is under Group Ships - Lost

I didn't find the pik I was looking for, but I went through the thread and copied all the sites we've checked out.

http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Childrens/FactSheets/ExtinctBirds/HaastsEagle.asp

http://www.kenozoicum.nl/website%20mega%20predators/haasts%20eagle.html

http://home.planet.nl/~artrako/Historie/Grijpvogels-EN.html

http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/griffin.htm


Birds of Egypt

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html
http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/taha/egypt/kingfisher.JPG
http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/taha/egypt/ibis2.JPG
http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/taha/egypt/Falcon.JPG
http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/taha/egypt/beeeater.JPG
http://www.wildegypt.com/Vulture.JPG
http://touregypt.net/parks/pic.64.jpg

Notice the name Kingfisher, and the black and white birds.
The pyramids in Mexico have magnificent stone carvings of birds and butterflies.

Fogey - http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/thunderb.htm (Bird Link)

http://www.cryptozoologicalrealms.com/english/reflections/return.html (Bird Link)
I found this very interesting

Huskie - Quote from: Karen on March 31, 2005, 06:59:04 AM
Ok, I came across this pic in another thread. When you enlarge it you can kinda make out the words, "Property of (something) birds .com(?)" Am I crazy or all you guys seeing this as well?

Here's something to try then.
Go to this link and type in "irds".
Then make sure you select the "ending with: " option.
Then push the "Chercher" button.

The page gets a bit screwy but if you're lucky, it will show all the .com domains out there (that it knows of).
It returned 2188 of them for me.

Now I need to go through them

OURBIRDS.COM - domain holding page.
whois info:
IP Location: - Washington - Redmond - Enom
Blacklist Status: Listed - Cached Today (details)
Record Type: Domain Name
Monitor: Monitor or Backorder
ICANN Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Created: 17-nov-2001
Expires: 17-nov-2005
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK

Anyone else see possible characters within that screencap?



In the school book about native birds, when Walt wanted his mom or Brian to look, the bird was an Australian Bronze cuckoo.

Brood parasite is a term specifically applied to birds or insects that leave their eggs in the nests of other birds or insects to be raised. This relieves the parent parasites from the investment of rearing young, enabling them to feed only themselves and to lay more eggs. They usually only lay one egg per nest. Typically, the young of the brood parasites are larger than the young of the nest parent, and can out-compete them for feeding from the parent. Often, the brood parasite young will actually kick the host young out of the nest to their deaths, so that the parasite young becomes the only young in the nest.

The group gets its English and scientific names from the call of the Common Cuckoo, which is also familar from cuckoo clocks.

This is just for fun - http://www.subservientchicken.com/

www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=469

It's from DEM Property of* ____ Birds.com* We thought it was Lostbirds.com

http://www.lostbirds.com/* * *It's an aviation museum
http://www.scrogginsaviation.com/film.html
We thought that this might be where they got the fuselage and the beechcraft. Maybe it was a hidden thank-you.

Also there are the birds on the screen in Sun & Jin's bedroom

I'm thinking the birds are supposed to represent the Egyptian Phoenix or Lapwing. I found a graphic online that looks quite a bit like them.

http://petcaretips.net/mythology-bird.html

Great, shootfire...I think they look just like them, as well.* The head...crest...neck...breast...good job!


http://leadingtonearts.com/SyncreticArt/ArisingPhoenix_info/PResearch/EgyP.html
Interesting that the Phoenix was "the incarnation of the sun as it appeared at the moment of creation" and we have a main character named Sun.

"It was the sun who flew on wings through heaven and was constantly immolated and reborn from the fires of sunset and sunrise". It "symbolizes immortality, resurrection and life after death".

"In the most popular medieval version of the legend, the phoenix was supposed to live for several centuries and then build its own funeral pyre, light it with a burning twig, throw itself on the flames, burn up, and then arise newborn from the ashes. [The Women's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects, Barbara G. Walker; Harper and Row, 1988]"

Brings to mind the burning wreckage on the beach and the survivors getting up and moving about....

And, via wikipedia.com, a fun little Africa fact about the Phoenix:

One inspiration that has been suggested for the Egyptian phoenix is a specific bird species of East Africa. This bird nests on salt flats that are too hot for its eggs or chicks to survive; it builds a mound several inches tall and large enough to support its egg, which it lays in that marginally cooler location. The hot air rising around these mounds resembles the turbulence of a flame.

I'm sure they are using the Phoenix in a symbolic sense, but I thought that was a fascinating little fact! ;)

I'm sure they are using the Phoenix in a symbolic sense, but I thought that was a fascinating little fact!

Indeed it is, Todell! Thanks. :)

Here's something from Heatherton's dining room that I think might be important. Is it African or is it Asian? That is my question. I think I'm gonna have to do a little digging on this one.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/heathertonsfigure.jpg

Here's something from Heatherton's dining room that I think might be important.* Is it African or is it Asian?* That is my question.* I think I'm gonna have to do a little digging on this one.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/shootfire/heathertonsfigure.jpg


And 4 lovely squares in the mirror with Charlie's reflection. Interesting because the guy looks like he's wearing a tuban and flowing pants. Indian as in India?Indonesian?

Indonesian?

OOOHHH, that seems likely! Thanks Sam! I knew it was something I wanted to know about, I just couldn't place the style of dress.

OOOHHH, that seems likely!* Thanks Sam!* I knew it was something I wanted to know about, I just couldn't place the style of dress.* *


A mahout (is that how it's spelled?) Elephant driver?

Sam G.* I've been looking at Cooper's living room pics again.*

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx&sortby=des

Lost episode 19 part 3-

lostep190355- It looks like some kind of Egyptian boat model in the large window.* Also, I think the column shown outside is Egyptian.

Shootfire, I know the boat you mean. All of this points to Anthony Cooper being a collector. So was Lucy's Father.

Sam, yes collectors, but I'm thinking that the things they collect have a common thread. It's like they have a fascination with the legacy of Colonialism. Even Paik had a collection of sorts. I wonder if all of his model car prototypes were Japanese.

I mainly posted the Egyptian stuff in here because Egypt is on the African continent too. It connects Sayid, since he was educated at Cairo University. I also thought it was interesting that Charlie came up with the Dutch bjorn, since it was his flashback that may be pointing us to India, Indonesia or Bali by means of the mahout. You were right about that, btw. I saw some pics of mahouts that are dressed that way. There were also some vases at Heathertons with palm trees on them. I'm trying to find something similar online. I haven't gotten close enough yet though. I do think they are Colonial though.

Since you mentioned colonialism in reference to Africa, I did some research. This site has some good articles to choose from:

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/eracolonialism/ (http://africanhistory.about.com/od/eracolonialism/)

One piece of history that I had forgotton was that the United States colonized what is now Liberia with the intentions of moving African Americans back to their homeland. That article is listed in the above link.

Also read about Cecil John Rhodes (as in Rhodesia), this is really interesting.

Sam, yes collectors, but I'm thinking that the things they collect have a common thread.* It's like they have a fascination with the legacy of Colonialism.* Even Paik had a collection of sorts.* I wonder if all of his model car prototypes were Japanese.*

I mainly posted the Egyptian stuff in here because Egypt is on the African continent too.* It connects Sayid, since he was educated at Cairo University.* I also thought it was interesting that Charlie came up with the Dutch bjorn, since it was his flashback that may be pointing us to India, Indonesia or Bali by means of the mahout.* You were right about that, btw.* I saw some pics of mahouts that are dressed that way.* There were also some vases at Heathertons with palm trees on them.* I'm trying to find something similar online.* I haven't gotten close enough yet though.* I do think they are Colonial though.

I totally know what you're looking for. I've been looking for the same things but so far all I have come up with is they are collector's. I don't have proof of anything more.
Paik's cars, I'm thinking are prototype's of his company. Korean. In the scene's where Sun and Jin are getting married, do you think it might be at Mr. Paik's house?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=31116&fullsize=1
Shootfire I can't check these things on the weekend. Can we see what Mr. Paik was signing on the HDTV site? It's at the beginning of In Translation? It could have beenn 4 years ago. It's when Jin asks for permission to marry Sun.

July 1555: a small group of Africans from Shama (modern Ghana) described as slaves are brought to London by John Lok, a London merchant hoping to break into the African trade.

http://www.brycchancarey.com/slavery/chrono3.htm

Apparently the "slave" status of these individuals is debateable.* They were well treated and eventually returned to their homes.* I just thought the involvement of Captain John Lok was something of interest.

Shootfire I can't check these things on the weekend. Can we see what Mr. Paik was signing on the HDTV site?

Sam, the only thing part that looks legible is the handwritten part and it's in Korean. :( I took a look at some of those model cars though. Some of them look really old. One of them actually looks like a Model A Ford. Another looks like a Rolls Royce from around the 30s except it has green wheels. I don't know what that's supposed to tell us, but I don't think they are Korean. I'm pretty sure about the Model A though. It would make sense that a car manufacturer would admire Henry Ford. Interestingly, the oldest car manufacturer I have found in Korea is about 61 years old. I just don't think all of those models go with Paik's company. Maybe the newer ones behind his desk are his.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Company

I think the Ford and Mitsubishi referrences in this article are interesting, not that Paik has anything to do with Hyundai. ;) It's just interesting that Mitsubishi (Japanese) influenced Hyundai.

Someone posted on the ABC boards that it is possible that the bees that Charlie disturbed in HOTRS may have been African bees. It is true that African bees are more likely than other species to build nests in ground cavities, but that isn't definitive. I think it may be just as important that bees live in colonies, but I did think it was worth mentioning here.

I found an online journal today of one of the visual effects artists that does work for LOST. Apparently, he was involved in HOTRS, and actually refers to the bees as 'killer bees.' If they really were killer bees then there is an African influence, but actual killer bees would be found in South America, Central America, and the Southern United States.

I found an online journal today of one of the visual effects artists that does work for LOST.* Apparently, he was involved in HOTRS, and actually refers to the bees as 'killer bees.'* If they really were killer bees then there is an African influence, but actual killer bees would be found in South America, Central America, and the Southern United States.*

Remember the good old "X-Files" episode with the killer bees? It was on yesterday. They were the carriers of the "Small Pox" virus.

Back in another thread, I mentioned that when Danielle says "It was them. They were the carriers." It was a revelation to her, she had just figured out how the disease was contracted. I said, I thought, it was something you wouldn't pay any attention to, something you thought was innocent.

Cote Sauvage = Wild coast (as opposed to Cote des moustiques - Mosquito coast - on the right of the map) (stolen from Tarf's translation on "Hidden in the maps".

I proposed this before. What happens if a whole group of people are exposed to an extremely contageous virus? What would the world leaders do? Do they say anything? Especially if they do not have a cure?

Were the Lostaways chosen to see if they have antibodies that are resistant to whatever disease is there?

I found an online journal today of one of the visual effects artists that does work for LOST. Apparently, he was involved in HOTRS, and actually refers to the bees as 'killer bees.' If they really were killer bees then there is an African influence, but actual killer bees would be found in South America, Central America, and the Southern United States.

"Africanized" bees are only found in the Americas because of a honey-production experiment gone wrong. African bees ("killer bees") were brought to South America and bred to European honey bees in an attempt to create European-tempered bees that produce honey in African-bee quantities. They escaped and the rest is history.

When we see African tse-tse flies I'm gonna get worried...

What would the world leaders do? Do they say anything? Especially if they do not have a cure?

Hmmm, I wonder if they would strand a a very bright doctor on the island with them, making sure that he survived the crash. It makes me wonder if the sickness is a neurological condition. How much good would that do though if there isn't a stash of medical supplies on the island somewhere. Will the things they need just happen to turn up when they need them?

Because the talk across the board has entered the biological warfara arena, I looked up honey.

I know your not supposed to give babies honey, but I didn't know why.* It lead me to this:

http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/honey.htm

HONEY, regarded as one of the purest foods in existence, has been declared unsuitable for babies and there are also fears that honey made from the pollen of genetically-engineered crops could endanger people's health.

Warnings that babies under 12 months should not be given honey as it could cause infant botulism, a serious form of food-poisoning.

http://www.honeycouncil.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=1658

Chloramphenicol in Chinese Honey
Now is the best time to buy Canadian honey. Canadian honey is tested regularly by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) and meets high standards of quality.

Chloramphenicol and Human Health
This antibiotic also called "Chloromycetin" was discontinued for general use in North America many years ago because of the health risk. It can cause aplastic anaemia, a rare but serious blood disorder and it is linked to cancer. "Chloromycetin" is sometimes used by vets to treat infections in cats and dogs and it is occasionally used for humans when other drugs have failed, but it is not allowed for use in the animal industry where it could enter the human food chain.

When we see African tse-tse flies I'm gonna get worried...
*
Hmmm, I wonder if they would strand a a very bright doctor on the island with them, making sure that he survived the crash.* It makes me wonder if the sickness is a neurological condition.* How much good would that do though if there isn't a stash of medical supplies on the island somewhere.* Will the things they need just happen to turn up when they need them?

Oh, you mean like 100 blue tarps, a case of knives, some guns, fresh water, edible plants, amimals, dynomite.....Danielle has a stash of some sort of drugs.

Were the Lostaways chosen to see if they have antibodies that are resistant to whatever disease is there?


Sam G,

Just rudely jumpin' in here...

If the above is true, do you think these specific people were chosen to be the "Losties" or do you think the PTB were looking for any plane with a full load of passengers?

Thanks!

Junie :)

Is the bird on the stamp in Sayid's passport, like the one we've been following?

Sam G,

Just rudely jumpin' in here...

If the above is true, do you think these specific people were chosen to be the "Losties" or do you think the PTB were looking for any plane with a full load of passengers?

Thanks!

Junie :)

My guess would be, specifically chosen. If not, and you were needing test subjects, why not save more people? The Plane carried an excess of 300 passengers, why choose around 50? Yes, there are probably passengers from the tail section but we don't have any idea how many yet.

My guess would be, specifically chosen. If not, and you were needing test subjects, why not save more people? The Plane carried an excess of 300 passengers, why choose around 50? Yes, there are probably passengers from the tail section but we don't have any idea how many yet.


Gotcha, Sam G! It makes me wish it was late September!

Found this on the net, and thought of this thread

White continent, dark secrets
The Oronteus Finaeus map, more than 300 years old, depicts Antarctica with ice-free areas.

Of all the research that takes place on this great continent, there is a suspicious lack of attention paid to certain theories that, while extraordinary, deserve closer examination. We are living on the edge of a largely unexplored land, and it's time we looked at more than just rocks, glaciers and penguins.

I am talking about evidence that has come up repeatedly, indicating that we are not the first beings to inhabit this place, nor is science the only activity here. When are we going to acknowledge that there may be more going on than meets the eye?

As everyone knows, the continent is almost completely covered by ice. What lies under that ice, miles deep in many places, is still unknown. The truth is coming out, however, as a few brave souls seek the answers to some troubling questions.

More fun with the dvds!!!

I have confirmed that there is a giraffe figurine in the walkabout office. It sits in front of the globe. There is also an elephant figurine on one of the smaller filing cabinets near the front entrance of the office. Near the door there is a three slot organizer hanging on the wall. In the top slot there is a magazine/brochure about Kenya. At the very beginning of DEM, when Locke is showing the Mousetrap game to the little boy, we see a bin full of stuffed animals. They are all African animals.

In White Rabbit there is an African mask on a table in Christian's home office. You can see it when he gets another drink while talking to young Jack. It's to the far right of the screen.

Shootfire, I may have a pic of that African Mask. Also, in the same picture I'm wondering what that is on the table in front of Christian. It almost looks like a giraffe but I'm not sure.

Screencap with mask upper right hand corner: Mask Pic (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/cinamin8/lost_wtrabbit_131.jpg)

Pic of figurine (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/cinamin8/lost_wtrabbit_132.jpg)

Wonder what that pic is up on the wall behind Daddy ? Really tall trees and open range, like a safari pic ? Cant see it that well , could be anything
hell it could be a pic from the island for all I know.

Wonder what that pic is up on the wall behind Daddy ? Really tall trees and open range, like a safari pic ? Cant see it that well , could be anything
hell it could be a pic from the island for all I know.

I want to know now too. What is it a picture of?

Screencap with mask upper right hand corner: Mask Pic (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/cinamin8/lost_wtrabbit_131.jpg)


my first impression when i saw that pic was that this mask screamed ASIA all the way
looks more Chinese or Vietnamese than African

When i look at that mask i just can't help but associate it with Buddhism
don't really know why

ETA : i think this mask is from Thailand, but it's only a wild guess

Tarf, you're right. It could be Asian. Many cultures are known for their ceremonial masks. It's kind of hard to tell with this one because we only have a profile. It would also be much easier to tell if there were some colors to guide us. I suppose it's the markings under the eyes that especially make me think it is African. You can see similar markings in some of the masks in the link below.

http://www.masksoftheworld.com/Africa/African%20Mask%20Group.htm

ETA: I suppose I just expect masks from the Orient to be a bit more grotesque. Truthfully, the closest image I have found online is here(http://www.masksoftheworld.com/India/Himalayan%20Middle%20Hills%20Mask.htm) but with some notable differences. Christian's mask looks more human. The nose of the Shaman mask looks more like a beak. The ears are lower and the eyes are shaped differently. Still it kind of has the Shaman feel also.

I used to copy the piks, and then put them as my desktop, to see them larger, but I just downloaded some from WR, and they are broken into 4 piks. Arrggh I hope it's just the site, and not a new thing, cuz I love looking at screencaps.

I had a look at the pik on the wall behind Christian, and it looks like 5 men with the second one crouching. Army picture? Maybe a bunch of friends on a hunting trip?

:) yeah, hunting polar bear on some tropical island some where

I used to copy the piks, and then put them as my desktop, to see them larger, but I just downloaded some from WR, and they are broken into 4 piks. Arrggh I hope it's just the site, and not a new thing, cuz I love looking at screencaps.

I had a look at the pik on the wall behind Christian, and it looks like 5 men with the second one crouching. Army picture? Maybe a bunch of friends on a hunting trip? You said that and it reminded me of the picture that is in Locke's room that is hanging on the wll with 5 or 6 guys and a tree. I will go look at the other pictures on the DVD.

I found another pik that lets me see it whole, but even on my desktop and using the magnifier, it's super hard to make out. It appears to be only 2 or 3 men now, and one of them is sitting?

Is the composition like any other pictures we may have seen?

Not that I recall, but I will keep that in mind. If it is like any other piks, I would guess the ones in Anthony's house might match.

A bit off the subject, but "Dark Continent" got me thinking. I googled "Jungle of Mystery" (one of Sawyer's remarks)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22jungle+of+mystery%22
which gave me "The Jungle of Mystery, in the Jungle Thrills Gallery; "


and got the following reference to books.

http://www.violetbooks.com/gal-jungle.html
Leading me to a book by James Foster called Jungle Thrills Gallery

Synopsis:
An elephant is shown chasing our boy heros through a never-before-explored jungle on the dustwrapper of James Foster's Forest of Mystery (Akron, Ohio: Saalfield, 1935). This young-adult jungle thriller has a marginal lost race & fantasy content, with intimations of unseen aboriginal giants, as well as odd flora & fauna including a white pygmy elephant.


Lots of Points in there that could be Lost-ish.

Captain Kidd, that does sound extremely Lostish. I especially like the "unseen giants" part.

Coupons, I keep seeing pictures that have snow-capped mountain peaks in the background. There's the one at Cooper's and one at Christian's. I know I have seen them other places too. I just can't remember off the top of my head. Going hunting.

....like the "unseen giants" part.....

That and the "marginal lost race"

The Others?

Have we heard or seen the name Foster in Lost?

That and the "marginal lost race"

The Others?

Have we heard or seen the name Foster in Lost?


A lot of talk of Foster Parents?

Have we heard or seen the name Foster in Lost?

If we have, I don't remember it. I'll check Sam G's thread "people mentioned but not seen."
Of course, Foster's is Australian for beer, right? :biggrin: Maybe we should check out the Australian scenes.

One thing I haven't mentioned, but have known about for a long time, is the crib that Michael wanted for Walt. It was decorated in an African motif. There was mosquito netting over it, an African animal mobile, and various African stuffed animals IIRC. I hesitated to put it on the list at first. It didn't seem that unusual at the time, but who knows?

And, "aboriginal giants" would usually be associated with Australia.

Probably nothing, but it got my attention when I read it.

The white pygmy elephant, strange fauna reminded me of the polar bear

Just caught my eye. Lots of references to things we have seen (or seen similar to.)

If we have, I don't remember it. I'll check Sam G's thread "people mentioned but not seen."
Of course, Foster's is Australian for beer, right? :biggrin: Maybe we should check out the Australian scenes.


don't look that far

foster parents
Seems like Locke used that term

Hidden in plain sight once again ?

Captain Kidd, that does sound extremely Lostish. I especially like the "unseen giants" part.

Coupons, I keep seeing pictures that have snow-capped mountain peaks in the background. There's the one at Cooper's and one at Christian's. I know I have seen them other places too. I just can't remember off the top of my head. Going hunting.
Shoot while you are on safari keep in mind the backround from Nadias picture.
Great find on Walt's crib

The only Foster I remember is foster parent.

WIF if you look all around "Special" in the baby section pictures you will see boats. Sail boats on the wall and on top the the bookcase a ship that could be the Black Rock.

The Psychic's office, there is a picture on the wall I've been wanting to look at. There are photographs all over the place. Tom's kitchen, we've picked on it many times. I'd try the travel office also.

There is a large black panther figure on the hall table at Susan and Brian's house. You can see it as the nanny, and then Michael, walk past it.

Sam G. which picture is it? Is it the painting over the fireplace? That one just looked like 19th century ladies lounging in a back yard.

There is a large black panther figure on the hall table at Susan and Brian's house. You can see it as the nanny, and then Michael, walk past it.

Sam G. which picture is it? Is it the painting over the fireplace? That one just looked like 19th century ladies lounging in a back yard.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=523

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=240

These two.

Sam G., it's really blurry, but for some reason it's reminding me of pictures I have seen depicting the Salem Witch Trials. Sorry I can't be more specific.

We have a ship called the Black Rock sitting on a hill several miles inland.* Locke says it was probably out of Mozambique.* We have a Beechcraft out of Nigeria perched at the top of a cliff.* Inside we have a map of Nigeria and the Sahara.* We have Sayid attending Cairo University and visiting the beach at Sharm el-Sheik on the Red Sea.* We have a theory that the numbers could be coordinates to someplace in Nigeria.* We have Anthony Cooper, who appears to be a collector of African art.* We have a quote:




Does anyone have anything else?

I looked through a lot of this post, and didn't see anything to this effect. I was going to start a new thread, but this seemed like a good enough place. Okay, so anyone familiar with Edward Said (Said pronounced like, well Sayid)?

He's a cultural/literary critic who wrote a book called "Orientalism," which deals with the wests treatment of asian cultures throughout history. Strangely enough, the terminology he uses in discussing these cultures is rooted in the word 'other.' A sense of 'otherness,' 'the other,' etc--it's a pretty big concept in the world of culture studies and literatue. Over the past two decades or so, this has evolved into a school of thought known as 'post-colonial' theory. This theory deals with ideas of imperialism and the colonization of the other, and how the other and the imperial culture blend to form a sort of 'cultural hybrid.' Anyway, Homi K. Bhabha is one of the leading critics in the field, and his discussion of 'boundary lines,' 'liminal spaces,' (through which identity comes to be known), and 'otherness' are quite fascinating if not a bit dense and inaccessible.

Anyway, ever since this idea of 'the others,' has come about, I've been wondering if this would play into anything at all. Another thing I thought I'd add: one of the more famous discussions of imperialism/post-colonialism is rooted in the finding of a footprint in Robinson Crusoe. The footprint serves as a symbol of 'otherness' which sets the ominous tone of the novel, and leads to his encounter with the natives. Note, also that Crusoe 'saves' one of the natives, and through what Bhabha would describe as, roughly, a process of 'mimicry and mockery' westernizes the native (Man Friday), and makes him his servant. Seeing as to how we found out in 2.05 that 'the others' don't leave footprints, I wonder if if this could be some sort of reversal of the Crusoe story? Especially considering the kidnapping of Walt,

Anyway, if not relevant to the plot, I'd say it's at least relevant thematically.

Wedestroymyths there's a Thread called "All the names mean something" Edward Said was mentioned there but not in the detail you provided. All the information is important, even if it is just to expand our knowledge.

Okay, so anyone familiar with Edward Said (Said pronounced like, well Sayid)?

I am somewhat familiar with it. You may have noticed I've been practically dancing around it in some of my posts. :biggrin: Sometimes I think referrence material like that can be a little too dry to bring up on the message board, and I can practically feel people's eyes glaze over as they read the post. However, you've summarized it quite well, and I think you've brought us to a good jumping off point.

From the beginning I think otherness has been a theme, even before the introduction of the "Others." Right on the heels of the crash, the many of the survivors were concerned for themselves, not the group. The writers used stereotypes to create an otherness about certain characters. Sawyer kind of summed it up when he said Sayid was the terrorist, he was the criminal, and asked Shannon what she wanted to be. Jin and Sun were separated from the rest of the group by their language, another kind of otherness. Once they all began to become familiar with one another there was a certain cohesiveness, especially when they came under attack. Once the Others came into the picture, many of the "other" qualities they found in their fellow lostaways seemed to dissipate.

All of the above brings me to the reaction the tailies had toward the raftees. Thoughts?

BTW, great post. Welcome to the Fuselage!

The Peace Corps has strong associations with Africa. The first two volunteers were deployed to Ghana and Tanzania. The organization hit it's first snag in Nigeria when a volunteer's postcard home became a huge political faux pas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps

Here's a pretty oblique reference.

Jack to Kate: Uh-huh. Tell me something. How come anytime there's a hike into the
Heart of Darkness, you sign up? You know what's in there.

The novel Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad describes a journey into the interior of the Congo.

Hey I was rewatching season one when Claire was still preggers. Charlie comes up to her as she is writing in her journal. He says something like "Dear journal, today I swallowed a bug... - Claire." I'll try to figure out which eppy. -Kind of an Apocolapse Now, Sgt. Kurtz reference, which is based on Heart of Darkness. Whada think Joseph Conrad?

Hey I was rewatching season one when Claire was still preggers. Charlie comes up to her as she is writing in her journal. He says something like "Dear journal, today I swallowed a bug... - Claire." I'll try to figure out which eppy. -Kind of an Apocolapse Now, Sgt. Kurtz reference, which is based on Heart of Darkness. Whada think Joseph Conrad?

Hah! That was something Marlon Brando said in one of the outtakes right? Good one, thanks. It's interesting that so much of the Apocalypse Now stuff is related to Charlie. There was mention of Heart of Darkness in relation to Kate, but the Apocalypse Now referrences seem to all come from Charlie.

well the Hanso and GHO memos would fit in here as well...

i dont know if those are spoilers are not so I won't get into specifics

Africa mention in crossword clues in "Collision"
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na... m=820&pos=224 (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=820&pos=224)

shootfire, this is the list on the LLL, and just quickly looking here, I see you guys have found more stuff. If you could make a post of the new stuff, and answer my few questions, I'd sure appreciate it.


Indirect References:

Congo
WALK - Jack asks Kate why she always volunteers whenever there's a trek into "the heart of darkness". The book Heart of Darkness (have info) by Joseph Conrad takes place in the Congo of Africa.


Kenya
WALK - In the walkabout travel agency office there is a magazine or brochure on Kenya (have cap) in the top slot of an organizer hanging on the wall.


African Art

WALK - In the travel agency office there are several African references:
Giraffe figurine in front of the globe (have cap)

WR - Christian Shephard also has some African art pieces in his home:
-Antique looking elephant lamp (have cap)

SPEC - When Michael and Susan are shopping for a crib, Michael checks out the one with an African theme. There was a zebra mobile and netting similar to mosquito netting with african animal silhouettes. (NEED CAP)

DEM - Locke's father seems to be a collector of African art and also has possibly been on safari's. There are many art pieces in his home:
-Lions head over mantle (upper left hand corner) (have cap)
-Cheetah print lamp shade & Tribal figure statues (have cap)
-Crocodile skin picture frame (have cap)

Also, when Locke is talking to the little boy about the mouse trap game there is a large Hot Wheels car full of stuffed African animals. (have cap) IS THIS DEM?


Thanks to Shootfire at The Fuselage for contributing

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SPEC - When Michael and Susan are shopping for a crib, Michael checks out the one with an African theme. There was a zebra mobile and netting similar to mosquito netting with african animal silhouettes. (NEED CAP)
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=19
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=18


Also, when Locke is talking to the little boy about the mouse trap game there is a large Hot Wheels car full of stuffed African animals. (have cap) IS THIS DEM? Yes

WIF, there may be a few new things that are not included in the list because either their African origin is questionable or the relevance to Lost is tenuous. I recently sent cinamin an update for the LLL on some new things, but I don't think I sent her the one about the crossword puzzle. TabbyRasa pointed it out, and I've linked her post here. Africa was one of the clues in Locke's crossword puzzle

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=625085&postcount=173

There was also a large black panther figurine on the halltable at Brian and Susan's house. I hesitated to add it until I'm finished going over it. The problem is that the black panther can be found in Africa AND Asia. The figurine looks very much like an Armani "Bagheera." That's why I haven't added it to the list. I think it might be more suggestive of The Jungle Book, which would be India. I'm thinking The Jungle Book because it addresses feral children, a boy being raised by "wolves," (Vincent?)and the book's association with scouting. I think there must have been some reason that Locke told Sayid he was a Webelo.

The other things that I didn't list were the Apocalypse Now references. They really aren't about Africa except in the most indirect sense, in that it's fiction based on Africa-related fiction. I think there may be a better category for the Apocalypse Now stuff, but it's really up to you guys.

Oh, there is that one little thing about the Peace Corps FWIW.
The Peace Corps has strong associations with Africa. The first two volunteers were deployed to Ghana and Tanzania. The organization hit it's first snag in Nigeria when a volunteer's postcard home became a huge political faux pas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps

Well, hello there, long lost thread!

On thehansofoundation site, we have the Worldwide Wellness and Prevention...

they appear to be doing work:

In Ethiopia -- International Aid Effort Ethiopia

In Guinea -- the Conakry Hospital

In Somalia -- the Mogadishu Hospital, which was apparently one of Hanso's first developments

In Gambia -- they've just broken ground on a the Makerere hospital in Banjul

and the documents about the Zanzibar facility are still accessible, but I'm pretty sure we've discussed them here already.

Well theres a lot of things austrailian the plane, claire, austrailian liquere, they were in austrailia
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WIF, there may be a few new things that are not included in the list because either their African origin is questionable or the relevance to Lost is tenuous. I recently sent cinamin an update for the LLL on some new things, but I don't think I sent her the one about the crossword puzzle. TabbyRasa pointed it out, and I've linked her post here. Africa was one of the clues in Locke's crossword puzzle

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=625085&postcount=173

There was also a large black panther figurine on the halltable at Brian and Susan's house. I hesitated to add it until I'm finished going over it. The problem is that the black panther can be found in Africa AND Asia. The figurine looks very much like an Armani "Bagheera." That's why I haven't added it to the list. I think it might be more suggestive of The Jungle Book, which would be India. I'm thinking The Jungle Book because it addresses feral children, a boy being raised by "wolves," (Vincent?)and the book's association with scouting. I think there must have been some reason that
Locke told Sayid he was a Webelo.

The other things that I didn't list were the Apocalypse Now references. They really aren't about Africa except in the most indirect sense, in that it's fiction based on Africa-related fiction. I think there may be a better category for the Apocalypse Now stuff, but it's really up to you guys.

Oh, there is that one little thing about the Peace Corps FWIW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps

So when i was a kid i had panther toys why does it matter,also walts mom said to Michale that Walt liked animal is adrift
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WIF, there may be a few new things that are not included in the list because either their African origin is questionable or the relevance to Lost is tenuous. I recently sent cinamin an update for the LLL on some new things, but I don't think I sent her the one about the crossword puzzle. TabbyRasa pointed it out, and I've linked her post here. Africa was one of the clues in Locke's crossword puzzle

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=625085&postcount=173

There was also a large black panther figurine on the halltable at Brian and Susan's house. I hesitated to add it until I'm finished going over it. The problem is that the black panther can be found in Africa AND Asia. The figurine looks very much like an Armani "Bagheera." That's why I haven't added it to the list. I think it might be more suggestive of The Jungle Book, which would be India. I'm thinking The Jungle Book because it addresses feral children, a boy being raised by "wolves," (Vincent?)and the book's association with scouting. I think there must have been some reason that Locke told Sayid he was a Webelo.

The other things that I didn't list were the Apocalypse Now references. They really aren't about Africa except in the most indirect sense, in that it's fiction based on Africa-related fiction. I think there may be a better category for the Apocalypse Now stuff, but it's really up to you guys.

Oh, there is that one little thing about the Peace Corps FWIW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps

LOL!!You think that walt is gonna go feral and be raised by Vincent