I know a bunch of you Jack fans might hate me for bringing this up, but i think that jack may be gay. I know that he had a wife and he was hitting on Ana Lucia, but the whole kate thing makes me think otherwise.

Kate and Jack seem to be perfect for each other, though kate and sawyer would so be the hotter couple! The point is that he totally doesn't realize thatshe is so into him! Maybe that's just stupidity, but it seems like more then that to me.

I feel free to completely shoot down this theory 'lagers, but i thought i'd just put it out there. :D

Not that Jack would be any less interesting or a worse character if he were gay, the Jater in me just doesn't think he is. It's true, he hasn't reciprocated much of Kate's flirtation, but he's had a lot to deal with in a very short period of time. His father dying, a plane crash, taking care of 40 people, abductions, deaths, etc.

That being said, he does show Kate that he cares about her. He's subtle, but he definitely got her message loud and clear and she knows it.
The best proof of this?

"I didn't do it for him."

;D

I wouldn't say Jack doesn't notice....the guy has a LOT on his mind.* He has definitely shown interest in Kate in those rare moments he has had to just be a guy and not 'a guy with an island full of people depending on him'.* *He looks at her like a smitten schoolboy sometimes (like, as mentioned, when he said "I didn't do it for him", or when he brought her the guava seeds and made her smile...which made him smile).* Also, if you check him putting her backpack on her in Exodus 2....you'll see his fingers linger just a little too long on her shoulders (not to mention holding her backpack in a very odd way, the only benefit of which can be seen is that it allows you to have more hand/body contact.* ;) ).* Kate is also pretty much the only one who ever makes Jack smile.

Just because a guy isn't all over someone doesn't mean he's gay.* I thought those questions died down once Jack started showing his interest, but I guess not.

Who'd be the hotter couple is a matter of opinion.* Personally I think J/K are smokin'...all that angst and tension going on......


BTW....when Javi was asked very early on if Jack was gay...he said there were no plans at the moment for any character to be gay.* He also said that people were misreading Jack's aloofness (such as in the "Are you checking me out" scene), as disinterest.* *That pretty much says it loud and clear.....misreading.*

him being gay would make the triangle easy lol...

I think it has been shown clearly he isn't through his flirtation w/the stewardess, & he has flirted w/Kate (just not cave man hit you over the head with a club style lol). Jack's a lot more subtle & he's all about pauses, glances, & wordless expressions. You can see it in the sling scene, tattoo scene, *how he looks at her when he says "I didn't do it for him", & guys not interested don't typically give someone seeds after they had just been told she "killed" a man lol. That's just a very romantic thing to do after such a dark confession.

As Jan brought up too I think Javi's statement further confirms that he is interested in her & his hesitation, based on things from his past that have to be revealed, is making him appear disinterested to some. There's many examples of where he's been jealous of Sawyer, such as when he insecurely says "Do you" to Kate's "Sawyer thinks we have a connection." Or how he kind of left the tent in Moth annoyed Sawyer was insinuating he was going to share the space w/Kate. Another is the look he gave her when Sawyer said they made out etc. So I'd say no reason to be jealous if he was gay & not interested romantically in Kate vs just a friend.

I'm quite partial to JK myself but hotter is subjective & it doesn't make much sense to discuss Sawyer/Kate in a Jack section.

Sometimes I feel that people don't have anything better to do. Why does sexuality even matter? Being gay or straight wouldn't change the type of person that he is. My opinion on the matter is that he's not because he's too much of an "every man" as was quoted by Matthew in an interview.

Sometimes I feel that people don't have anything better to do. Why does sexuality even matter? Being gay or straight* wouldn't change the type of person that he is. My opinion on the matter is that he's not because he's too much of an "every man" as was quoted by Matthew in an interview.


Not looking for a fight Krystal, but everything is important, and if he was gay, it means we'd have to look at a lot of our clues differently.

I don't think he is though.

I know you're not looking for a fight and I was just giving my opinion like all the rest. What clues would you have to look at differently though? Jack's every action doesn't need to be viewed under a compound microscope.

Sometimes I feel that people don't have anything better to do. Why does sexuality even matter? Being gay or straight* wouldn't change the type of person that he is. My opinion on the matter is that he's not because he's too much of an "every man" as was quoted by Matthew in an interview.


I think that anything is possible, but the fact that there are so many clues was another thing that i hadn't closely analyzed. *But, on what krystal said not matter what his status is I'd still love matt fox and jack. *I am sorry that i talked about SKate, but i love both of the love triangles! *I guess you proved me wrong...

No. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

interesting thought but i just think he isn't that interested in kate because he has so much on his plate. i believe that some men do take their jobs more seriously than sex.. and unfortunately for jack even though he is on a weird island he is still a doctor and he has to worry about everyone surviving not only himself.

I know you're not looking for a fight and I was just giving my opinion like all the rest. What clues would you have to look at differently though? Jack's every action doesn't need to be viewed under a compound microscope.


I'm one of the lagers that look for clues in everything.* The whole dynamic of Sawyer Kate and Jack would alter.* The possibility of a future girl love interest is nixed.* We would start looking like crazy people at every interaction Jack has had with every male survivor.* I understand where you guys are coming from, cuz your not clue junkies like some of us.* You'd be amazed at the connections we have made by analyzing everything.

It is just another reason to Love Lost.* It has something for everyone, and I can see how our over analyzing might irk some posters, cuz they watch the show from a different angle.* Sorry if I've ever irked anyone, it's not my intention.* I sometimes think that everyone is on the same page as me, as far as loving the theories.
I think a storyline of a gay survivor would be fabulous.

Well I don't know if he is or isn't. Frankly, the thought never popped up. But if he was gay it would explain some of the strained relationship with his dad. I think that he just doesn't show certain emotions well, like interest in someone else. Wasn't he unsure about getting married at first? If I remember well he felt like he had an obligation to marry his wife because he saved her life. He might feel that his purpose in life is to save people and it's the only thing he cares to do. He cares too much about saving people than to be involved with someone else.

i'm suprised so many think jack is gay cause he hasn't jumped a girls bones yet.

First of all: I am a long time lurker...this is my very first post.

Please excuse typos or vocabulary/grammar mistakes...

My message:

Why do so many people think Jack is gay? Because he did not jump Kate and any other female being (including Danielle* ;D) on the island already? Why should he do "it" at all? Well, I do not know what forty days of "abstinence" feel like...but I would not read too much into Jack's behavior. Maybe he is just not THAT kind of guy. Maybe he is one of those guys who do not feel the need to *beep* every (married or single) female in a 10-mile radius in order to prove what a manly man he is.

What made you feel that Jack is gay in the first place? That he did not rip off Kate's clothes (and go a little further...)? Maybe he just did not want to admit to Kate that he was checking her out? Is it really gay not to check out every female younger than 55 and older than 18 around you? Come on, just relax...

Please keep in mind that he is 38 years old or so. Maybe he is not the hot-blooded stud he used to be, anymore?


Democracy rests on three pillars: the freedom of speech, the freedom of thought and the wisdom not to use them.

First of all: I am a long time lurker...this is my very first post.

Please excuse typos or vocabulary/grammar mistakes...

My message:

Why do so many people think Jack is gay? Because he did not jump Kate and any other female being (including Danielle ;D) on the island already? Why should he do "it" at all? Well, I do not know what forty days of "abstinence" feel like...but I would not read too much into Jack's behavior. Maybe he is just not THAT kind of guy. Maybe he is one of those guys who do not feel the need to *beep* every (married or single) female in a 10-mile radius in order to prove what a manly man he is.

What made you feel that Jack is gay in the first place? That he did not rip off Kate's clothes (and go a little further...)? Maybe he just did not want to admit to Kate that he was checking her out? Is it really gay not to check out every female younger than 55 and older than 18 around you? Come on, just relax...


Democracy rests on three pillars: the freedom of speech, the freedom of thought and the wisdom not to use them.


i agree. its like if you are not a sex maniac then you must have a problem. He obviously has a thing for kate..

i also don't think the marriage working out issue had to do with him being gay.. maybe if this was like the 1970s.. but people aren't that in the closet anymore.. at least not in big cities.

Ha! There is actually someone agreeing with me, thanks juliana24!

Is Locke gay as well? He does not seem to be interested in one of the girls...
Boone?
Michael? He did not jump any of the girls either (as far as I can remember)...


Democracy rests on three pillars: the freedom of speech, the freedom of thought and the wisdom not to use them.

Ha! There is actually someone agreeing with me, thanks juliana24!

Is Locke gay as well? He does not seem to be interested in one of the girls...
Boone?
Michael? He did not jump any of the girls either (as far as I can remember)...


Democracy rests on three pillars: the freedom of speech, the freedom of thought and the wisdom not to use them.








yup its one big gay island. i mean not raping women obviously signifies being a homo..

yup its one big gay island. i mean not raping women obviously signifies being a homo..



Sooooooo true...

Great. ::)

It took a plane falling on Boone to end all the *Is Boone Gay?* threads, now Jack gets it.

Anyone who has read my posts knows I am not a Jack fan, but I have seen absolutely nothing which would indicate he was gay. And aside from the vested interest the Jaters have in him not being gay, what possible difference would it make if he was?

Why not start a ""Does Jack own a dog?" thread?

Or, "Does Jack have a curtain or a sliding door in his bathroom?"

They would make just as much sense.

Great.* ::)

It took a plane falling on Boone to end all the *Is Boone Gay?* threads, now Jack gets it.

Anyone who has read my posts knows I am not a Jack fan, but I have seen absolutely nothing which would indicate he was gay. And aside from the vested interest the Jaters have in him not being gay, what possible difference would it make if he was?

Why not start a ""Does Jack own a dog?" thread?

Or, "Does Jack have a curtain or a sliding door in his bathroom?"

They would make just as much sense.


:lol2: Thank you Sheba!

there are no elton john references yet on the island.

Seems like only the "pretty guys" are rumored to be gay. There is no talk (that I know of) of Locke being gay. He did not hit on any girl on the island, we did not see any women at his side in his flashbacks. Furthermore he was hanging around with the "prettiest" of them all: Boone. All the time. Every time.

The wise old man with the pretty young man...sounds very Greek-theateresque...

He was with Walt very often...is that some kind of "wish" in Locke to be near young boys? Is he pedophile now?

Sounds too far-fetched? Exactly. Just as far-fetched as all these assumptions about Jack being gay just because he does not *beep* every female on the island 24/7.

I am beginning to think that the only reason why Sawyer is not being rumored to be gay is his not too kind/ polite behavior towards Kate. Seems like only guys behaving like an a!-hole are straight guys.

Seems like only guys behaving like an a!-hole are straight guys.

:lol2: Unfortunately, that's usually the case. :lol2:

Seems like only the "pretty guys" are rumored to be gay. There is no talk (that I know of) of Locke being gay. He did not hit on any girl on the island, we did not see any women at his side in his flashbacks. Furthermore he was hanging around with the "prettiest" of them all: Boone. All the time. Every time.

The wise old man with the pretty young man...sounds very Greek-theateresque...

He was with Walt very often...is that some kind of "wish" in Locke to be near young boys? Is he pedophile now?

Sounds too far-fetched? Exactly. Just as far-fetched as all these assumptions about Jack being gay just because he does not *beep* every female on the island 24/7.

I am beginning to think that the only reason why Sawyer is not being rumored to be gay is his not too kind/ polite behavior towards Kate. Seems like only guys behaving like an a!-hole are straight guys.


i'm suprised sawyer called someone a metro when he sports metro hair lol..

its obvious that vincint is the true gay character.. its only a matter of time till he humps some guys leg

:lol2:* Unfortunately, that's usually the case.* :lol2:


Usually does not mean exclusively. ;)

egads this thread took off lol...

firstly thanks sheba for despite not being partial to Jack, acknowledging you hadn't seen evidence of this claim.

There is absolutely nothing wrong w/being* gay imo, & I wouldn't love Jack any less if he were, but obviously I would be* very disappointed being a Jack and Kate fan. Plus I couldn't live vicariously through Kate* :laugh:

I find it utterly refreshing that a single attractive man who is a successful doctor is a gentleman & not a player. That his first priority is ppl's safety above his needs..Jack has been said to be 34 & even if he were 38 you're not out to pasture at that age lol. He's had quite a few ladies interested in him-the stewardess, the girls @ the hotel, Kate, Ana...You have to watch his expressions too* because he noticed Kate was in her bra in Moth-he had the raised eyebrow & chuckled nervously because Charlie said what he was thinkin ;)

It must be because Jack has such a capacity for caring, compassion & sensitivity that gets him the stereotype associated w/being gay. This is common place* for his character because he's often assigned the stereotypes of a leader & doctor when I enjoy him because he's the antithesis of a typical this or that (imo). As was said just because he isn't going to rip off clothes asap doesn't mean he's not a virile or a heterosexual male. There's also things emotionally past & present which are making him hesitate. I think he just appreciates the value of committing his heart to someone & not treating a relationship of any kind flippantly,.

i'm suprised sawyer called someone a metro when he sports metro hair lol..

its obvious that vincint is the true gay character.. its only a matter of time till he humps some guys leg



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I don't think Jack is gay.

IMO, even if he is a little older (I would rather say more mature), I think he is just overly cautious when it comes to relationships. * Considering his relationships with his mom & dad, he may feel he is not worth loving. * * *Hence, he may feel he has to "save" someone in order to be loved, such as with Sarah.

I was watching the previous eppy where Christian is asking Jack to sign the document after they lost the pregnant woman. * Christian puts him hand on Jack's shoulder & says blah blah blah, it's a long time in coming, stating he is a great doctor. * I thought that maybe Jack finally felt loved or cared about. * Then as Jack watched Christian talk to the lady's husband, the camera focuses in on where Christian puts his hand on the man's shoulder. *It was like, oh Jack sees that's the way Christian manipulates people to get what he wants.

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:


seriously sawyer is such a tease i'm surprised he hasn't been having lots of sex with other chicks on the island

This is the most ridiculous thread ever. ::) Sayid is the only one who has gotten some so I guess all the guys are gay. We should stop posting here and let this thread go away. I hated it when they did this to Boone. >:(

seriously sawyer is such a tease i'm surprised he hasn't been having lots of sex with other chicks on the island


I guess we know why... ;) My brain is working really slow now. I should get some sleep.

I swear this was my last post in this thread, jomama.

Jack Gay RIGHT............................................. ......................... :(

I really really doughty he his gay. Sorry but you cannot buy the kind of heterosexual chemistry that he ans Kate have on screen.

No jack is not Gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Exactly, Jack isn't exactly from Podunk(about to hear from all the Podunker's that it is actually a bastion for homosexuality ;) ). He's in his mid to late 30's, I doubt he'd still be in the closet. In any case, even if he wasn't "out" he doesn't strike me as the sort who'd get married to cover it. He'd just stay single and if anyone asked why he wasn't married he'd make up excuses about not finding the right girl and being picky.

But to be honest, and I think most Jack fans would agree with me here, I'd rather have people wondering if Jack was gay(which is kind of cool actually, not that being gay in and of itself is cool or nto cool but just the mystery of is he or isn't :) ) than have Jack jumping the bones of every female between 18 and 45 on the island to prove he isn't. I'd go as far to say, until he gets with Kate('cause he is!), I'd rather have him not be with anyone. I like Jack's lack of need to go through all the usual macho posturing. He doesn't need to do stuff like that to prove he's manly, he just IS manly. :)

I know a bunch of you Jack fans might hate me for bringing this up, but i think that jack may be gay.*

Nope. Sorry. Jack doesn't set of my gaydar detector. Much to my dismay, Jack is straight. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

LMAO plucks! There you have it from an expert.

Word LostWord lol...I'd rather have Jack be gay than a player. I actually get turned off by womanizing & when they make it a point to "prove" the character is a stud by having him with many women.

Nope not Jack, but I think we do need a gay character to mix things up a bit... I thought that's where they were going to take Boone...boy was I ever wrong...evidently sleeping with your sister is more socially acceptable! ::)

I think that if the writers started turning things to "whose gay, and whose sleeping with who" it would turn into every other show out there, I hate that!!!! I don't care about the stupid HIGHSCHOOL drama!!! its retarted!!!! I mean, the show is so freaking interesting, with the hatches, and Desmond, and the experiments, and the monster, and the bears, and the others, and Danielle, I don't care whose gay, or whose got the hots for who, or who will break up first, I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thas what Desperate Houswives is for, and the OC, and Degrassi, and Will and Grace, and every other show out there, LOST has been made what it is today by being different from every other show out there, why ruin it by turning it in to them...

now, please, do not think I am gay-bashing in any way, I am not, I don't judge anybody, and this isn't really about gayness anyway, its just about anything sex related in general

Is Jack gay? I saw a preview for some upcoming movie. There was a scene where male character, who appears to be around his mid-thirties, is asked by his mothers friend if he has a girlfriend. When he replies in the negative, she responds that she understands, her son (or someone similar) is gay as well.

It seems that this is how far we have progressed in our modern society. If a man does not actively have a girlfriend/wife *right at that moment*, then he must be homosexual. There is no need to have the man display any homosexual traits or tendencies. He never even has to have any physical contact with a man whatsoever or even any desires to do so. But, if he doesnt have a woman in his life, he *must be* homosexual.

What a sad, sad society we live in. I truly feel sorry for humans, especially for the males. :(

I saw a preview for some upcoming movie. There was a scene where male character, who appears to be around his mid-thirties, is asked by his mothers friend if he has a girlfriend. When he replies in the negative, she responds that she understands, her son (or someone similar) is gay as well.

It seems that this is how far we have progressed in our modern society. If a man does not actively have a girlfriend/wife *right at that moment*, then he must be homosexual. There is no need to have the man display any homosexual traits or tendencies. He never even has to have any physical contact with a man whatsoever or even any desires to do so. But, if he doesnt have a woman in his life, he *must be* homosexual.

What a sad, sad society we live in. I truly feel sorry for humans, especially for the males. :(
me too, but, while we're at it, KAte hasn't made a move on JAck, she must be gay, and Sawyer, hasn't actually tried anything, but he made jokes, so he's just trying to cover it, and Jin, hasn't tried to sleep with his wife, so he's really gay, and Sun is just a cover-up, and Sayid and Shannon snuck off, but didn't have sex, they muist be gay, and and ARzt, had three failed marriages, he must be gay, and Michael, shows no attraction to females, he must be gay, Charlie and Claire haven't jumped into bed yet, they must be gay

Vincent is a cross dresser....

No. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I would like to take this opportunity to declare myself the first and possibly only one that got the Seinfeld reference. :p

I don't think he is gay because the way he acted when Kate got out of the shower.. And plus I just don't think he is gay.... If he were some peopel may be angry.

I think it's silly to think Jack's gay just because he's not jumping on Kate, especially on this island where nobody is having sex with anybody.

Jack isn't pursuing Kate because he still has baggage over his marriage.

Jack is not a guy who jumps into things without thinking, and that is also a factor.

I don't believe that Jack is gay. He still has a lot of issues and we still don't fully know what happened with his wife. They have been on the island less than 2 months. It does take a while to build a relationship especially a meaningful on anyway.
I think that its nice that things are being taken slowly with these two characters and that we can see a bond being formed rather than a quick sexy affair that doesn't last or mean anything.
Maybe you were referring to him being happy on the island.
:lipsseal:

maybe JAck just has some moral values.

Im not bashing the type of people who just jump into bed with complete strangers, thats your own thing, but some people in the world want to at least be in love before haveing sex.

It may be a matter of time before we see the LOST Folks "Gaying Out" due to the fact that needs will need to be filled if there isn't "enough to go around". Not that there is anything wrong with that. Who do you think the first gay expose' will be? May be Kate and Ana? or may be the two actors from "OZ" or ummmm.......Claire and Grace?.....oh I know!.....Jack and Locke...They both have Daddy issues...Not that there is anything wrong with that..

I would like to take this opportunity to declare myself the first and possibly only one that got the Seinfeld reference. :p

You weren't the only one that got the reference. I was and still am a devoted viewer of Seinfeld. I actually just re-gifted my Season 1 Lost DVD!

I would like to take this opportunity to declare myself the first and possibly only one that got the Seinfeld reference. :p

Yay! Thank You! I wish I had a prize to give you! :)

Not every group of good looking people stuck together on a tropical Island have sex within 44 days. They are in shock, scared, and think they are going to die any minute. While they may slide into the "we are going to die" mentality sooner than later and cast all morals to the wind...this is not what the show is about...they are not on Spring Break.

Jack being gay? Not out of the question. He is single, thin and neat...was married..is not...no proof either way.

I think we need to understand if you just go with raw statistics..someone on the Island is gay...just like I guarentee some people we work with or spend social time with are...it is just the nature of the percent of gay Americans.

If Jack is proven gay...this show will not only break new ground...it will build an entire new way of thinking that a masculine, professional male can be gay and that they can be portrayed as such.

The writers have hit us over the head with references to show he's not. He's been married, flirted with the stewardess, had a girlfriend in the past, flirted w/Ana Lucia & is smitten with Kate. The shower scene more than proved his interest. At this pnt to say suddenly he's closet gay or bi-sexual is reaching.

As I've said there's nothing wrong w/being gay, it's just I find it comical how the topic keeps coming into question with any guy who hasn't been a wolf toward a woman. There is something to be said for being a gentleman and having respect toward a lady.

There is something to be said for being a gentleman and having respect toward a lady.


Obviously, the time has changed...


Will these "Jack is gay-threads" never die?


Why do people think he is gay just because he didn't jump every female on the island?

Jack is just being how most educated classy men are..respectful.

I like the possiblity that he could be gay....that would awesome and true to real life!

The shower scene more than proved his interest. At this pnt to say suddenly he's closet gay or bi-sexual is reaching.



You are joking, right? Kate, nearly nude and clearly wanting it, and Jack blew it off? GAY!

Jack didn't blow Kate off during the shower scene. Kate was the one that walked right past him leaving the room.

She wanted him to take a shower first.

I mean a girl does have her standards! ;)

lol, hahahahahahahahahaha

You are joking, right? Kate, nearly nude and clearly wanting it, and Jack blew it off? GAY!
if a man doesn't rip off her towel and pounce on her like she's his property he's gay :29: He stood there making conversation about how a shower was LOL. How transparent is that to buy time. And neither minded. ;) I like that JK are more classic romance. The moment accomplished what it needed to w/o being overdone. We've seen Jack be passionate so when the time is rt I'm sure Kate won't mind again ;) He's been respectful to her and it sets him apart from all the other men in her life like Jason that treated her like a sexual play thing.

I never thought that Jack was or is gay. That fact that Kate walked by him with a towel. He can't force himself on someone. 44-48 days on an island that is unfamiliar, is no proof that he is going gay. First of all they have to survive and make sure that the island is safe. The others have proven that they are not exactly friendly.

Jack Is Not Gay. PERIOD!

He loves me

He loves me not

He loves me

He loves me not

Could

Kate and Jack

both

be singing the same mantra?

I see it now...

Kate and Jack fighting over Sawyer.

:cool:

You are joking, right? Kate, nearly nude and clearly wanting it, and Jack blew it off? GAY!

:disgust:

k... I have been avoiding this thread b/c I didn't think ppl were serious... but I figured since we were talking about something similar (particularly about Jack/Kate shower scene and how ppl are interpreting Jack's actions - or inactions) over on the Jater Couch I'd post it here, too:



oh good grief (lol I've been saying that a lot lately...). First Jack's gay, now he's like the 40 yr old virgin.

I'm sorry, was there a plot line hanging about that Jack has been married?!

We've said it before - some ppl just don't want to like Jack. And I'm actually insulted that ppl are cutting up Jack for actions (or inactions) with kate - in particular w/ the shower scene. Why is it manly for a guy to go all (as LNL so wonderfully put it) "neanderthal and attack her? "Me Jack, me take Kate!"?"

Better question: Why is it NOT manly to be a gentlemen?!

Jack treats Kate with respect, dignity, as an equal - yet different (cause we know men and women are on completely different planes of existence sometimes lol). As his friend!

He does not label her as a "girl who is hot, who flirts with me - time to score". Is that what our society thinks makes a "real man"?! For crying out loud! What a horrible message to be sending out? That guys can't be guys unless they're always trying to hit on/ sleep with/ make out with (etc.) a girl (or in the world of Lost - if a guy is attracted to a girl and the girl is attracted back and they haven't slept together in under 2 months - the guy is a sissy)?? That girls are strictly there to be sexually objectified? Puh-lease!

Jack is a "real man" b/c he's none of those things that ppl associate with as "typical guys". Is he less attracted to Kate than any other man is? I would argue he's attracted MORE to her than any other man is. Yet, Jack is intelligent enough, caring enough, and strong enough to realize that relationships are not just physical, but are also emotional, mental, and spiritual. Any two ppl can make out. It takes hard continuous work to make a lasting relationship with a deep connection.

And there's always his past and her past that they are still dealing with a lot. If Jack were to rush in and be like "forget this, i want her" - it would be harming to both of them.

Thanks you for saying that about Jack, EowynJade. I really do not think that Jack is gay. I also think that he has a great deal of respect for Kate. So much so that he does not act like a neanderthal and attack her after the shower.

Well Said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although, I think a lot of people are just being silly by what they are saying in these posts. So what if he's Gay? Good for him! It would make the story line a lot more interesting to his past and why he is not wearing his ring anymore. And besides I have TONS AND TONS of Gay friends and they are ALWAYS oddly attracted to a hot girls who are kind'a man-ly. At least this has been my experience. Not that I am saying that is how IT IS but I have seen it a lot.! So whether or not he is gay is not a problem....but by the looks of the 80's Mullet with tons of hair gel that he was sporting in his Flashback, I would say it could be a 50/50 chance!!!! ha aha haaa!

*bows* Éowyn_Jade, you are my new hero. :ntworthy: :ntworthy: :ntworthy:

definitely not so

Only Jack knows. And what's wrong with being gay again? It's legal and personal preference.

yeah...why not?

Only Jack knows. And what's wrong with being gay again? It's legal and personal preference.

Actually.. only the writers know ;) But the issue being discussed here is whether Jack is or not. Not ppl's personal beliefs etc. about homosexuality itself.

Stopping this before it goes WAY off topic....

Jack the Gay Lostaway.....hmmmmm....... I wonder if Desomond is actually his soulmate? They definitaly have a conection. Just a thought.

Only Jack knows. And what's wrong with being gay again? It's legal and personal preference.

I personally would have nothing against it morally, I mean, if he was gay, I wouldn't stop watching the show or anything. I just think, that it would be steering the show more towards "drama" than mystery, and stuff.

I mean, it would start turning the drama they go through about sex, and "whose sleeping with who" not who the others are, and how they're goign to survive.

we already have so many shows about sex, and "highschool-type drama"
the reason LOST is my favorite show, is becasue it doesn't deal with that kind of crap.


and yea, I think its kinda a bad image to be sending out, that if your not boning every girl in sight, you must be gay...

iamicarus - I'm just wondering.... why do you always have your posts in bold? lol

I didn't notice....that's weird! I think I have an automatic feature on my settings or something, my computer is brand spanking new and I am navigating around all my new gadgets. Blame it on my Fiance'!!! I guess I am more BOLD than small anyway...He he....oh weird...here I go again! Sorry..can't stop!

By the way I think this show is about SEX as well. They wouldn't of cast all these HOT actors and filmed them with half of their clothing on while giving eachother sexual innuendos in every episode if it wasn't alittle sexual as well. It is human nature....just like survival.

By the way I think this show is about SEX as well. They wouldn't of cast all these HOT actors and filmed them with half of their clothing on while giving eachother sexual innuendos in every episode if it wasn't alittle sexual as well. It is human nature....just like survival.

innuendos, jokes, adn cliff jumping in your underwear is very different.

I have no problem with sex. I mean, I know that Shannon and Sayid's relationship will eventually go to the next level. but when a show turns into nothing BUT sex, that it gets boring, and frustrating.

I totally accept your opinion and respect it to the fullest. I, on the other hand, I find nothing boring or frustrating when it comes to sex. I find the tension between characters natural and exteremly interesting. It puts layers upon the mystery and ads tension to their questioning of their place in their LOST world. Just my opinion. Oh there is the un-bold button!! Ciao!

By the way I think this show is about SEX as well. They wouldn't of cast all these HOT actors and filmed them with half of their clothing on while giving eachother sexual innuendos in every episode if it wasn't alittle sexual as well. It is human nature....just like survival.

Totally agreed, I would say most shows have sex as one of the main themes. See there's OC, Smallville, Desparately Housewives just to name a few. Why else would they cast all these nice looking women and men on these shows anyways?

Fascinating

the numerous sites

of fictional "bridges"

That is,

the pairing of characters

at random.

:disgust:

k... I have been avoiding this thread b/c I didn't think ppl were serious... but I figured since we were talking about something similar (particularly about Jack/Kate shower scene and how ppl are interpreting Jack's actions - or inactions) over on the Jater Couch I'd post it here, too:



oh good grief (lol I've been saying that a lot lately...). First Jack's gay, now he's like the 40 yr old virgin.

I'm sorry, was there a plot line hanging about that Jack has been married?!

We've said it before - some ppl just don't want to like Jack. And I'm actually insulted that ppl are cutting up Jack for actions (or inactions) with kate - in particular w/ the shower scene. Why is it manly for a guy to go all (as LNL so wonderfully put it) "neanderthal and attack her? "Me Jack, me take Kate!"?"

Better question: Why is it NOT manly to be a gentlemen?!

Jack treats Kate with respect, dignity, as an equal - yet different (cause we know men and women are on completely different planes of existence sometimes lol). As his friend!

He does not label her as a "girl who is hot, who flirts with me - time to score". Is that what our society thinks makes a "real man"?! For crying out loud! What a horrible message to be sending out? That guys can't be guys unless they're always trying to hit on/ sleep with/ make out with (etc.) a girl (or in the world of Lost - if a guy is attracted to a girl and the girl is attracted back and they haven't slept together in under 2 months - the guy is a sissy)?? That girls are strictly there to be sexually objectified? Puh-lease!

Jack is a "real man" b/c he's none of those things that ppl associate with as "typical guys". Is he less attracted to Kate than any other man is? I would argue he's attracted MORE to her than any other man is. Yet, Jack is intelligent enough, caring enough, and strong enough to realize that relationships are not just physical, but are also emotional, mental, and spiritual. Any two ppl can make out. It takes hard continuous work to make a lasting relationship with a deep connection.

And there's always his past and her past that they are still dealing with a lot. If Jack were to rush in and be like "forget this, i want her" - it would be harming to both of them.
Uhhh, where did I or anyone else indicate that a man is either gay or would have forced himself on Kate in the shower scene? Grow up, please. There is nothing ungentlemanly about expressing interest in a woman. Also, I find it quite disturbing that you associate gayness with being a "sissy." Nobody accused Jack of being a sissy in this thread, just gay. Further, nobody claimed that "girls are strictly there to be sexually objectified." If you are so sexually repressed as to find expressions of physical attraction as objectification, then I am sad for you, but do not accuse me nor anyone else of it because of your own shortcomings.

Regarding relationships, not all are "emotional, mental, and spiratual." Some are purely (or mostly, or firstly) physical. There is nothing wrong with that, and believe me, after 40+ days you can be sure that every non-eunuch on that island is leaning heavily toward the physical. Kate is freakin' hot. Kate was in a freakin' towel. Kate was caught indulging herself by a man to whom she has shown clear signs of attraction. It was the ultimate setup, and Jack defered. Having been in similar situations numerous times, I can tell you they all end the same way. And they didn't involve force, nor ungentlemanlyness (just made up a word!), nor neanderthals. Jack is GAY. Get over it.

Oh, and good relationships with a deep connection do NOT require "hard continuous work." If that is what you have to convince yourself of in order to soldier on in a crappy relationship, then I can understand your bitterness. :smile:

but I figured since we were talking about something similar (particularly about Jack/Kate shower scene and how ppl are interpreting Jack's actions - or inactions) over on the Jater Couch I'd post it here

I just thought I'd highlight this part of my post. We had been talking about something similar. I was re-posting what I had posted on the JC b/c some of what we discussed here could apply to what we were discussing there. Which was:
People’s interpretations of Jack's actions/inactions towards Kate – saying that he is either gay (meaning that his inactions are b/c he has no interest in women) or he is not a real man/ a sissy (b/c of some ppl's perception of what the "typical straight man" should act like – and how he is not acting that way). I in no way said that those two are the same things.

Sorry you interpreted it like that, ChiefTanLost. But it's not what I meant.

As you see later, I posted that this discussion is about the character JACK, not ppl's opinions about homosexuals themselves.

Uhhh, where did I or anyone else indicate that a man is either gay or would have forced himself on Kate in the shower scene?

Actually you’re quote was the one I was specifically insulted by – as a woman and for other men who have to put up with that crap (posted again below):

You are joking, right? Kate, nearly nude and clearly wanting it, and Jack blew it off? GAY!


We obviously do not agree on much of anything. I think a relationship that is "just physical" isn't a relationship. It's just using the other person to satisfy your own desires. Even if you're both using each other.

If you are so sexually repressed as to find expressions of physical attraction as objectification, then I am sad for you, but do not accuse me nor anyone else of it because of your own shortcomings.

lol, sorry I actually had to laugh. I know that will probably make you mad, but I want to point out here, this is a discussion. And personal attacks don't make your points anymore valid.
That being said, I'm not sure you understand what sexually objectifying means. Physical attraction is one thing. Sexually objectifying a women would be to see her simply as a means to gratify you're own physical/sexual desires. Two different things.

There is nothing wrong with that, and believe me, after 40+ days you can be sure that every non-eunuch on that island is leaning heavily toward the physical. Kate is freakin' hot. Kate was in a freakin' towel. Kate was caught indulging herself by a man to whom she has shown clear signs of attraction. It was the ultimate setup, and Jack defered. Having been in similar situations numerous times, I can tell you they all end the same way. And they didn't involve force, nor ungentlemanlyness (just made up a word!), nor neanderthals. Jack is GAY. Get over it.

Well, see... I highly doubt you've been stranded on an island for 40+ days, so you can tell us exactly what it's like. If food and water is a big problem - I can assure you that the survivors would be wholey concentrating on that. However, it seems on this island it's not too big of a problem ;)

Situations where there is a high degree of physical attraction and desire do not "all end in the same way". Sorry, but they don't. If the situations you personally have been in have, that's one thing. But you can't generalize to everyone.

Oh, and good relationships with a deep connection do NOT require "hard continuous work." If that is what you have to convince yourself of in order to soldier on in a crappy relationship, then I can understand your bitterness.

lol, well my only piece of advice would be to talk to a couple who's been married for ... 20 or so years and see if they think that relationships don't take a lot of work.

Okay, so let me see if I'm following you.

Because a healthy male does not drag an equally healthy female into the sack ... he's gay? Please rethink your logic. This isn't the 18th century (or even the 60s & 70s LOL)

We've see Jack's background. He has high, HIGH ethics. He beleives in honesty and commitment ... not to mention he's been a wee bit "occupied" since the plane crash with things like finding shelter, water, trying to save Boone, carrying dynamite, and going down a hatch after the unknown. When, oh WHEN would he even have time to think about sex?

The look on his face when Kate was in the shower was enough, I'd think, to dispell any ideas about his sexuality.

I, for one, appreciate that the writers are avoiding the usual "traps" for ratings by having all the main characters hop in and out of bed with one another. I'm glad that all last season no one slept with anyone. It was refreshing to watch a show that relied on plot, acting, script, and direction to keep our interest and not some skin or sex scene.

That's my argument and I think it's a good one. Nothing wrong with wondering but I just can't fathom your reasons behind this one.

Okay, so let me see if I'm following you.

Because a healthy male does not drag an equally healthy female into the sack ... he's gay? Please rethink your logic. This isn't the 18th century (or even the 60s & 70s LOL)

We've see Jack's background. He has high, HIGH ethics. He beleives in honesty and commitment ... not to mention he's been a wee bit "occupied" since the plane crash with things like finding shelter, water, trying to save Boone, carrying dynamite, and going down a hatch after the unknown. When, oh WHEN would he even have time to think about sex?

The look on his face when Kate was in the shower was enough, I'd think, to dispell any ideas about his sexuality.

I, for one, appreciate that the writers are avoiding the usual "traps" for ratings by having all the main characters hop in and out of bed with one another. I'm glad that all last season no one slept with anyone. It was refreshing to watch a show that relied on plot, acting, script, and direction to keep our interest and not some skin or sex scene.


Word, jbdean ! :punk:

I just thought I'd highlight this part of my post. We had been talking about something similar. I was re-posting what I had posted on the JC b/c some of what we discussed here could apply to what we were discussing there. Which was:
People’s interpretations of Jack's actions/inactions towards Kate – saying that he is either gay (meaning that his inactions are b/c he has no interest in women) or he is not a real man/ a sissy (b/c of some ppl's perception of what the "typical straight man" should act like – and how he is not acting that way). I in no way said that those two are the same things.

Sorry you interpreted it like that, ChiefTanLost. But it's not what I meant.

As you see later, I posted that this discussion is about the character JACK, not ppl's opinions about homosexuals themselves.



Actually you’re quote was the one I was specifically insulted by – as a woman and for other men who have to put up with that crap (posted again below):
Hmm, I see you forgot to include the part where I said that a heterosexual would force himself on Kate. Oh, that's right, I didn't say that.




We obviously do not agree on much of anything. I think a relationship that is "just physical" isn't a relationship. It's just using the other person to satisfy your own desires. Even if you're both using each other.
Think what you want, but that doesn't make you right. Guess what, a physical relationship is A RELATIONSHIP.



lol, sorry I actually had to laugh. I know that will probably make you mad, but I want to point out here, this is a discussion. And personal attacks don't make your points anymore valid.
That being said, I'm not sure you understand what sexually objectifying means. Physical attraction is one thing. Sexually objectifying a women would be to see her simply as a means to gratify you're own physical/sexual desires. Two different things.
Actually it didn't make me mad, I laughed when I read your post because mine wasn't a personal attack, but the part of the post to which I was referring certainly was. Pot, kettle, black.



Well, see... I highly doubt you've been stranded on an island for 40+ days, so you can tell us exactly what it's like. If food and water is a big problem - I can assure you that the survivors would be wholey concentrating on that. However, it seems on this island it's not too big of a problem ;)
Uh, yeah, if you weren't able to determine that I wasn't talking about the stranded on the island part, then might I suggest a quick course in reading comprehension?

Situations where there is a high degree of physical attraction and desire do not "all end in the same way". Sorry, but they don't. If the situations you personally have been in have, that's one thing. But you can't generalize to everyone.
Oh, I forgot, only YOU can generalize here. Like when you redefined the word "relationship." Or when you ordained that a physical relationship is objectification. Or when you presumed that calling Jack gay (which he is) is an indicator that people don't want to like him (what is your problem with gays, by the way?). In fact, you pulled out every dysphemism you could in characterizing those who disagree with you (look up "objectify" while you are looking up "dysphemism"). Why don't you refute the argument, rather than resort to ad hominem attacks?



lol, well my only piece of advice would be to talk to a couple who's been married for ... 20 or so years and see if they think that relationships don't take a lot of work.
I never said relationships don't take a lot of work. I said good relationships with a deep connection do not require "hard continuous work." Parse those sentences and see if you can find the differences. Crappy relationships take a lot of work.

Okay, so let me see if I'm following you.

Because a healthy male does not drag an equally healthy female into the sack ... he's gay? Please rethink your logic. This isn't the 18th century (or even the 60s & 70s LOL)

We've see Jack's background. He has high, HIGH ethics. He beleives in honesty and commitment ... not to mention he's been a wee bit "occupied" since the plane crash with things like finding shelter, water, trying to save Boone, carrying dynamite, and going down a hatch after the unknown. When, oh WHEN would he even have time to think about sex?

The look on his face when Kate was in the shower was enough, I'd think, to dispell any ideas about his sexuality.

I, for one, appreciate that the writers are avoiding the usual "traps" for ratings by having all the main characters hop in and out of bed with one another. I'm glad that all last season no one slept with anyone. It was refreshing to watch a show that relied on plot, acting, script, and direction to keep our interest and not some skin or sex scene.

That's my argument and I think it's a good one. Nothing wrong with wondering but I just can't fathom your reasons behind this one.
Why would he have to "drag" Kate to bed? What do you mean by the "this isn't the 18th Century" quip? Again, please point out where anyone indicated anything about using force.

Nice to know that you prefer on-screen violence, deception, and drug abuse to sex. :smile:

I see more argument about how to argue & no proof to back up the claim Jack is gay. I have ,however, seen evidence he isn't both visually & by text/subtext on the show. Flirting w/the Stewardess, Ana, Kate, having a girlfriend, being married, what's more- being UPSET he's no longer married, and most obvious the shower scene.

<~Pnts to expression in avi. ;)

It seems these pnts are being ignored for speculation. Unless they make him bisexual there isn't much room for interpretation.

The writers know the audience is intelligent enough to intimate it's evident the pain Jack feels for Sarah is hindering him from moving forward with relationships of any kind rt now, however you define them. Not to mention his father just died & his responsibilities as jbd said-doctor & leader are 2 24/7 jobs. I commend how he's put his own needs on the back burner to take care of others.

Triangles and trapezoids don't work very well when one of the parties isn't even in the game. And I know some would love Jack/Sawyer ;) but Jack/Ana ,Jack/Kate, Sawyer/Kate, & Sawyer/Ana are who have been heavily promoted as being the players.

I see more argument about how to argue & no proof to back up the claim Jack is gay. I have ,however, seen evidence he isn't both visually & by text/subtext on the show. Flirting w/the Stewardess, Ana, Kate, having a girlfriend, being married, what's more- being UPSET he's no longer married, and most obvious the shower scene.

<~Pnts to expression in avi. ;)

It seems these pnts are being ignored for speculation. Unless they make him bisexual there isn't much room for interpretation.

The writers know the audience is intelligent to enough intimate it's evident the pain Jack feels for Sarah is hindering him from moving forward with relationships of any kind rt now, however you define them. Not to mention his father just died & his responsibilities as jbd said-doctor & leader are 2 24/7 jobs. I commend how he's put his own needs on the back burner to take care of others.

Triangles and trapezoids don't work very well when one of the parties isn't even in the game. And I know some would love Jack/Sawyer ;) but Jack/Ana ,Jack/Kate, Sawyer/Kate, & Sawyer/Ana are who have been heavily promoted as being the players.
You know it is going to end up Jack/Sawyer, and Kate/Ana.

I see more argument about how to argue & no proof to back up the claim Jack is gay. I have ,however, seen evidence he isn't both visually & by text/subtext on the show. Flirting w/the Stewardess, Ana, Kate, having a girlfriend, being married, what's more- being UPSET he's no longer married, and most obvious the shower scene.

<~Pnts to expression in avi. ;)

It seems these pnts are being ignored for speculation. Unless they make him bisexual there isn't much room for interpretation.

The writers know the audience is intelligent to enough intimate it's evident the pain Jack feels for Sarah is hindering him from moving forward with relationships of any kind rt now, however you define them. Not to mention his father just died & his responsibilities as jbd said-doctor & leader are 2 24/7 jobs. I commend how he's put his own needs on the back burner to take care of others.

Triangles and trapezoids don't work very well when one of the parties isn't even in the game. And I know some would love Jack/Sawyer ;) but Jack/Ana ,Jack/Kate, Sawyer/Kate, & Sawyer/Ana are who have been heavily promoted as being the players.

:ntworthy: Perfect words as always Bansh.:ntworthy:

There is no way on this Earth or the Island they are stuck on is Jack Gay.
Jack is possibly falling in love with Kate but also obviously has unresolved issues over his wife. Give the guy a break. People deal with feelings, emotions and instincts in their own way on their own time. No one person reacts exacly the same in any given situation, just because Jack has handled the whole Kate relationship differently than what some men or women may agree with or do themselves this does not mean that he is gay.

There I stuck my two-pennies worth in.

Why would he have to "drag" Kate to bed? What do you mean by the "this isn't the 18th Century" quip? Again, please point out where anyone indicated anything about using force.

Nice to know that you prefer on-screen violence, deception, and drug abuse to sex. :smile:

First off ... don't pull your rude and childish come-backs with me! I won't stand for it. I posted a very intelligent and detailed post about why I think that thinking Jack is gay ONLY because he hasn't beded Kate (or any woman on LOST) is ridiculous. If your comments back to me cannot be adult, civil and move the discussion forward, then don't bother to post because all it appears that you're doing is trying to inflame people to start an argument.

Your question (regarding my comments): "Why would he have to "drag" Kate to bed? What do you mean by the "this isn't the 18th Century" quip? Again, please point out where anyone indicated anything about using force." It wasn't meant literally. The original post, as it sounds to me, had a flavor of expecting Jack to have "taken" Kate by now and that kind of stereotype is often linked to the aggressive male that "takes" the woman because ... he's a man. That is why I mentioned the 18th Century and the 60s & 70s [when sex was pretty loose].

And as for your sarcastic comment, "Nice to know that you prefer on-screen violence, deception, and drug abuse to sex." Nice to know that you know what I like to watch. You have no clue what I watch orther than LOST. And of all the cop shows, reality TV and other violent, sexually explicit & abusive junk on TV ... LOST is a breath of fresh air.

You didn't even start this thread. If you don't like what's being said here ... move on but don't try to stir up the fire when I said nothing to insult you personally ... or anyone, for that matter.

And if your reply to me (if you decide to reply) isn't civil and adult then don't expect another reply from me. I have no time for board games.

:ntworthy: Perfect words as always Bansh.:ntworthy:

There is no way on this Earth or the Island they are stuck on is Jack Gay.
Jack is possibly falling in love with Kate but also obviously has unresolved issues over his wife. Give the guy a break. People deal with feelings, emotions and instincts in their own way on their own time. No one person reacts exacly the same in any given situation, just because Jack has handled the whole Kate relationship differently than what some men or women may agree with or do themselves this does not mean that he is gay.

There I stuck my two-pennies worth in.
Those two pennies are worth a million!

It's sad that in today's society manners, respect and acting like a gentleman paints you to be either gay or just a woos. Jack is a "gentleman." It's a word that, sadly, had become old fashioned ... along with chivalry.

I said it before and I'll echo it again ... I am thrilled that the writers have not chosen to go down the road that most other shows have taken over the past few years. There is SO much more to people and relationships than sex. So, so much more. The writers have taken the time to give us in-depth characters that have wonderful feelings, emotions, scars and wounds (those aren't "wonderful ... but you know what I mean -- I hope) and this makes them more real than just seeing when one is going to hop into bed with the other or with others.

LOST is a class act all the way!

First off ... don't pull your rude and childish come-backs with me! I won't stand for it. I posted a very intelligent and detailed post about why I think that thinking Jack is gay ONLY because he hasn't beded Kate (or any woman on LOST) is ridiculous. If your comments back to me cannot be adult, civil and move the discussion forward, then don't bother to post because all it appears that you're doing is trying to inflame people to start an argument.

Your question (regarding my comments): "Why would he have to "drag" Kate to bed? What do you mean by the "this isn't the 18th Century" quip? Again, please point out where anyone indicated anything about using force." It wasn't meant literally. The original post, as it sounds to me, had a flavor of expecting Jack to have "taken" Kate by now and that kind of stereotype is often linked to the aggressive male that "takes" the woman because ... he's a man. That is why I mentioned the 18th Century and the 60s & 70s [when sex was pretty loose].

And as for your sarcastic comment, "Nice to know that you prefer on-screen violence, deception, and drug abuse to sex." Nice to know that you know what I like to watch. You have no clue what I watch orther than LOST. And of all the cop shows, reality TV and other violent, sexually explicit & abusive junk on TV ... LOST is a breath of fresh air.

You didn't even start this thread. If you don't like what's being said here ... move on but don't try to stir up the fire when I said nothing to insult you personally ... or anyone, for that matter.

And if your reply to me (if you decide to reply) isn't civil and adult then don't expect another reply from me. I have no time for board games.
Oh boo hoo! "If you don't reply exactly as I say, then I will take my marbles and go home." How sad for us all. Seems to me, it was YOU that attacked ME, by implying that I posted that Jack was gay because he didn't rape Kate. And I fail to see where I attacked you in my response: you said you were glad TPTB weren't taking Lost down the sexual route, you admittedly enjoy the show, and the show includes copious amounts of violence, deception, and graphic depictions of drug abuse. My post was entirely within the context OF THIS SHOW. So again, it is nice to know that you prefer on-screen violence, deception, and drug abuse to sex.

Why is Jack's obvious homosexuality such a problem for you?

Those two pennies are worth a million!

It's sad that in today's society manners, respect and acting like a gentleman paints you to be either gay or just a woos. Jack is a "gentleman." It's a word that, sadly, had become old fashioned ... along with chivalry.

I said it before and I'll echo it again ... I am thrilled that the writers have not chosen to go down the road that most other shows have taken over the past few years. There is SO much more to people and relationships than sex. So, so much more. The writers have taken the time to give us in-depth characters that have wonderful feelings, emotions, scars and wounds (those aren't "wonderful ... but you know what I mean -- I hope) and this makes them more real than just seeing when one is going to hop into bed with the other or with others.

LOST is a class act all the way!
It is sad that you consider the expression of physical attraction and the initiation of physical intimacy to be ill-mannered, disrespectful, and un-gentlemanly.

I know a bunch of you Jack fans might hate me for bringing this up, but i think that jack may be gay. I know that he had a wife and he was hitting on Ana Lucia, but the whole kate thing makes me think otherwise.

Kate and Jack seem to be perfect for each other, though kate and sawyer would so be the hotter couple! The point is that he totally doesn't realize thatshe is so into him! Maybe that's just stupidity, but it seems like more then that to me.

I feel free to completely shoot down this theory 'lagers, but i thought i'd just put it out there. :D


And a bunch of us Jack fans won't hate U either.

:cool:

They have a good quad storyline going

with Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Ana L.

tho as much as I like to see something here/now, 2005

Hmm, I see you forgot to include the part where I said that a heterosexual would force himself on Kate. Oh, that's right, I didn't say that.

Well it wasn't my point, either... A heterosexual man would NOT just force himself on Kate based on the fact that he was a heterosexual male. I'm assuming you're agreeing with me then on this? lol

Think what you want, but that doesn't make you right. Guess what, a physical relationship is A RELATIONSHIP.

lol well our definitions then of what a meaningful, romantic relationship is - that's where we defer greatly. And that's fine. You have the right to disagree with me. My point is that a physical relationship (that is ONLY physical) is not a meaningful, loving, romantic one - it's just using the other person to gratify your own physical desires etc.

Again, you can disagree w/ me, and that's fine.We're adults and we realize that not everyone sees things as we do.

Actually it didn't make me mad, I laughed when I read your post because mine wasn't a personal attack, but the part of the post to which I was referring certainly was. Pot, kettle, black.

Good, at least we're both laughing then ;). I don't see how mine was attacking. You don't see how yours was attacking.... and so the conversation will go in circles. So let's move on to Lost discussions, lol....


Uh, yeah, if you weren't able to determine that I wasn't talking about the stranded on the island part, then might I suggest a quick course in reading comprehension?

You said that:
"...and believe me, after 40+ days you can be sure that every non-eunuch on that island is leaning heavily toward the physical. "
as if you were speaking on authority on the matter. Why should we "believe you" on the matter? I was just pointing out you aren't an authority, it's just your opinion. You may have meant that all along, it just didn't come off that way.


Oh, I forgot, only YOU can generalize here. Like when you redefined the word "relationship." Or when you ordained that a physical relationship is objectification.

lol again this goes back to us just having completely different views... worldviews most likely. I sort of addressed this one at the top though so I won't say it again....
And a physical realtionship is very important within the context of the other areas of a realtionship. It's like four wheels of a car - physical, emotional, spiritual, mental.... if only one tire is blown up - the car isn't going to go.

And yes, I realize that maybe you don't think emotional is important. Or maybe you don't think spiritual is important. We disagree. Good, that's why we have such different opinions and favourites characters etc. on these boards. It's good for discussions.

Or when you presumed that calling Jack gay (which he is) is an indicator that people don't want to like him (what is your problem with gays, by the way?). In fact, you pulled out every dysphemism you could in characterizing those who disagree with you (look up "objectify" while you are looking up "dysphemism"). Why don't you refute the argument, rather than resort to ad hominem attacks?

First you could actually read my post. All this is doing is ending up as a discussion in semantics. Not about an interesting character on a tv show. Again.. I'm going to stress that you are choosing to ignore the fact that my post was addressing not just the "is Jack gay?" question, but also the "Why is Jack a sissy/not a real man?" question for not making a move with Kate. They are not the same question.

When I said "some ppl don't want to like Jack" that was referring to the "Jack is a sissy b/c he didn't do anythign with Kate" comment. If you read the post again, you'll see. As someone who is a Jack fan - I see posts almost everyday where ppl attack anything Jack does. First he was a sissy cause he didn't want to step up and be a leader. Then he was a control freak b/c he did. Then he's too emotional. Then he doesn't show enough emotion. Then he's not interested in Kate. Then he's a pervert for seeing Kate in a towel. Then ppl are irritated that he didn't do anything when Kate was in a towel - so they try to explain it. He's either gay or a weak heterosexual man. (and before you jump on this - I'd like to stress that I did not say you were the one that said all these things)

I'm not sure why we have to explain why a guy is not jumping on a girl in the shower. Am I saying you said he should of? No. But I don't like how some people think that we have to come up with a reason why he didn't. Maybe it's b/c he's a gentlemen.

That was my point. End of story. Could Jack be gay? The writer's could have decided to write him that way. But they didn't. This thread is about whether he is gay or not. And the character of Jack is not.


I never said relationships don't take a lot of work. I said good relationships with a deep connection do not require "hard continuous work." Parse those sentences and see if you can find the differences. Crappy relationships take a lot of work.

And I disagree with you (big surprise eh? ;) ). Good relationships do take a lot of continuous hard work. Let's agree to disagree and move on, lol.

I doubt their will be any gay couples on lost. Espically not Claire ...she's ovbiously straight, or any of the wemon for that matter, and Shannon does NOT at all seem gay.. And I doubt Jack is gay considering he was married before, and i think he has a crush on Kate. If he is he doesn't act gay, i mean he could be bi, but i really doubt it..thats sort of a touchy topic... i dont know if they'd bring it out on lost, but who knows? It just seems like he likes Kate to much to be homosexual. (even though im not a jater)

Oh totally, he's either gay or emotionally adept at dealing with women, lol.

I'm not sure why we have to explain why a guy is not jumping on a girl in the shower. Am I saying you said he should of? No. But I don't like how some people think that we have to come up with a reason why he didn't. Maybe it's b/c he's a gentlemen.
Again with the agressive sexual language? He doesn't have to "drag" her, "jump" her, or anything else in order to not be gay. The reason he didn't attempt to engage her sexually, is because he is gay.


That was my point. End of story. Could Jack be gay? The writer's could have decided to write him that way. But they didn't. This thread is about whether he is gay or not. And the character of Jack is not.
Uh, yeah, Jack is gay, that is why he blew Kate off in the shower scene. How much more clear do the writers need to make it for you?



And I disagree with you (big surprise eh? ;) ). Good relationships do take a lot of continuous hard work. Let's agree to disagree and move on, lol.
See, it isn't just about you getting to make a statement of fact and then say, "let's move on." The reason is, I have first and second-hand knowledge that good relationships do not take a lot of continuous hard work. It is really bizarre to me that you would fight this point. Who brainwashed this claptrap into you? If someone told me, "hey, going to the dentist doesn't have to be painful," why on earth would I argue with them? I would want to find out more, not just tell them I disagree because it is always painful when I go to the dentist, or my friends with nice teeth tell me it is always painful for them. I would tell you to open your mind, but I am afraid it might be too late for you... Perhaps you should just keep telling yourself that.

By the way I think this show is about SEX as well. They wouldn't of cast all these HOT actors and filmed them with half of their clothing on while giving eachother sexual innuendos in every episode if it wasn't alittle sexual as well. It is human nature....just like survival.

I totally disagree. If i was i wouldn't watch it. Thats why i watch lost because it's not like DH. I mean nobodys done that..yet atleast. It is nowhere near about that. If anything it has a religious sence to it. That they're all getting redemped from past sins. And yes their is some plot lines in it that are kind of surroundeed around the sex thing Charlie, Sawyer, and sort of Claire, but to say that is a main theme not really. I mean look we have polor bears, mad french wemon, and some others, a hatch. Lost isn't a dirty show, though you sorta made it a appear like it was.

Lost isn't a dirty show, though you sorta made it a appear like it was.

No Lost is not a dirty show and sex is not dirty.

No Lost is not a dirty show and sex is not dirty.
well thats what you believe, i never came out and said sex was dirty, but some shows overuse it, and lost is not one of them. im not here to debate religion, and sex can be dirty in my faith depending on the circumstances. i just my faith. i hate when people say lost is all about sex, because it simply isn't true.

sorry, i got off topic. *covers eyes of board members* dont worry about this, it's mew & my big mouth, ignore this..go on:).

The reason he didn't attempt to engage her sexually, is because he is gay.

But why did Jack have to engage her sexually to prove to you that he is straight?

Uh, yeah, Jack is gay, that is why he blew Kate off in the shower scene. How much more clear do the writers need to make it for you?

I invite you to write in the VIP section to Javi. Tell him you believe Jack is gay based on the fact that "he didn't attempt to engage her sexually". Ask him if Jack is really gay. It's really the only way I'm going to be able to convince you that he isn't - if you hear it right from a writer's mouth.

See, it isn't just about you getting to make a statement of fact and then say, "let's move on." The reason is, I have first and second-hand knowledge that good relationships do not take a lot of continuous hard work. It is really bizarre to me that you would fight this point.

And I have first and second-hand knowledge that good relationships do take a lot of continuous hard work. It honestly is really bizarre to me that you would fight this point?

omigoodness....I stated "let's agree to disagree and move on". We're not going to agree. You think you're right. I think I'm right. That's why I said we should move on. I'm saying this b/c the argument is going in circles.

please refrain from baiting posters that disagree with your point.
just b/c they dont "see the light" of your point does not make them wrong.
continuing to get them back into an argument is not cool.

until the writers prove otherwise, i do not think that this thread will ever be resolved.
while i would love to point out how one of the posters here contradicts their own posts,
i wont jump into this discussion.

please play nice. thank you.

Oh totally, he's either gay or emotionally adept at dealing with women, lol.
or it could simply be given it's obvious something traumatic happened to his wife and he just lost his father he's naturally withdrawn rt now. If he was inept w/women I don't think so many would be hitting on him ;)

There's a few other characters who don't win the award for female aptitude or treatment so Jack is just fine to me.

Wow...this is amazing. Sad and weird but amazing.

Read it and weep, if you dare:
"The October issue of Out magazine has a small interview with Damon Lindelof:

"We asked Lost's executive producer, Damon Lindelof, why there are no gay castaways on a show with over a dozen main characters."

"To be honest with you, we have asked this question of ourselves many, many times. We didn't want to do the token gay character. We want to introduce characters in the nonstereotypical way, so they aren't branded by their identities. If we have a gay character on the show, what is the [story] arc going to be? We don't want him to be 'the gay guy.' We want him to be 'the guy who is also gay.' If I were to tell you Harold Perrineau's character [Michael] is actually gay, would that surprise you? After all, he had a girlfriend 10 years ago, he got her pregnant, and they split ways. You read all these articles in The New York Times about guys on the down low... and we'd love to have a gay couple. That would be awesome. So all I'm going to say is, watch season 2."

No weeping on my part :biggrin: I would still bet my house that Jack isn't gay. I just don't see the writers taking the character down that road, regardless of it being stereotypical or not. As much as you would like that character to be gay chieftanlost, I just don't see it happening. Sorry.:smile:

No weeping on my part :biggrin: I would still bet my house that Jack isn't gay. I just don't see the writers taking the character down that road, regardless of it being stereotypical or not. As much as you would like that character to be gay chieftanlost, I just don't see it happening. Sorry.:smile:
Actually I haven't indicated a preference either way for the characters. I am not sure why you would thing that I would "like that character to be gay."

It's because you keep talking about it. I'm not going to copy and paste all of your posts, but it just seems to me that if the writers were to make Jack the character that is a homosexual, you would be filled with absolute glee. You already said it yourself that Jack IS gay and if you were a writer for this show then I would say fine. Since you don't write for Lost, you can't be sure and therefore it's all wishful thinking on your part.

He loves me

He loves me not

He loves me

He loves me not

Could

Kate and Jack

both

be singing the same mantra?

I see it now...

Kate and Jack fighting over Sawyer.



nice post apollobear! :cool:

It's because you keep talking about it. I'm not going to copy and paste all of your posts, but it just seems to me that if the writers were to make Jack the character that is a homosexual, you would be filled with absolute glee. You already said it yourself that Jack IS gay and if you were a writer for this show then I would say fine. Since you don't write for Lost, you can't be sure and therefore it's all wishful thinking on your part.

Since I don't write for Lost, my statement that Jack is gay is obviously my opinion. I deeply apologize for giving you the intellectual credit to figure that out. But, since we are on the subject of opinions, by your logic YOU would be crushed if Jack turned out to be gay, since your opinion is that he is not. If he is, I will not feel glee nor sorrow, because I really don't care if he is or not, but since you seem to link opinions to emotions, you stand to lose a great deal.

You know it is just a show, right? :smile:

Since I don't write for Lost, my statement that Jack is gay is obviously my opinion. I deeply apologize for giving you the intellectual credit to figure that out. But, since we are on the subject of opinions, by your logic YOU would be crushed if Jack turned out to be gay, since your opinion is that he is not. If he is, I will not feel glee nor sorrow, because I really don't care if he is or not, but since you seem to link opinions to emotions, you stand to lose a great deal.

You know it is just a show, right? :smile:


You do realize that you sound like an immature child, right? :)

The question is: Is Jack Gay?

My Answer. No I find him rather glum and somber.

He doesn't seem very 'carefree' to me either. ;)

The question is: Is Jack Gay?

My Answer. No I find him rather glum and somber.

:roflmao: Very nice lostbylost! (and I love your avi ;) )

You do realize that you sound like an immature child, right? :)

At least one day I may grow up. Where does that leave you?

At least one day I may grow up. Where does that leave you?

well this post leaves you with some points. as in warning points.

as long as the discussion here is a discussion and not name calling,
i will leave this thread open.
if this thread continues down the road with childish comments i will close it.
you and other posters really can argue this point without the name calling and berating comments.
thank you.

well this post leaves you with some points. as in warning points.

as long as the discussion here is a discussion and not name calling,
i will leave this thread open.
if this thread continues down the road with childish comments i will close it.
you and other posters really can argue this point without the name calling and berating comments.
thank you.
To quote Krystal, whose post apparantly doesn't warrant a warning, "You do realize that you sound like an immature child, right?"

To quote Krystal, whose post apparantly doesn't warrant a warning, "You do realize that you sound like an immature child, right?"

who is warned, or simply alerted is none of your concern.
for that matter how do you KNOW that i didnt issue a reminder to her to watch her posting style?
you dont. so dont tell me how to do my job.

that said, the reason that YOU got points this time is b/c on the 25th of Oct.
i did send you a warning without points about your posting style.
(and you complained that time b/c others had not been warned.
in your opinion others should have been alerted too. see above comment about that.)

you get ONE warning w/o points. and since YOU chose to fall back into name calling,
regardless of who started it, you still chose to do so.
therefore YOU get points. period.

learn to post without the name calling and insults or get more points.
that is simple, really.

who is warned, or simply alerted is none of your concern.
for that matter how do you KNOW that i didnt issue a reminder to her to watch her posting style?
you dont. so dont tell me how to do my job.

that said, the reason that YOU got points this time is b/c on the 25th of Oct.
i did send you a warning without points about your posting style.
(and you complained that time b/c others had not been warned.
in your opinion others should have been alerted too. see above comment about that.)

you get ONE warning w/o points. and since YOU chose to fall back into name calling,
regardless of who started it, you still chose to do so.
therefore YOU get points. period.

learn to post without the name calling and insults or get more points.
that is simple, really.
Well since you asked how I knew that you didn't warn her, I made an assumption, based on the fact that you warned ME, then posted about it in this thread. If "who is warned, or simply alerted is none of (my) concern," then it shouldn't be anyone else's concern either. So why would you make it public that I was warned?

Well since you asked how I knew that you didn't warn her, I made an assumption, based on the fact that you warned ME, then posted about it in this thread. If "who is warned, or simply alerted is none of (my) concern," then it shouldn't be anyone else's concern either. So why would you make it public that I was warned?

um, you see that big warned button on your post. that is public.
me commenting on it is not anything new. everyone can see your
big warned post button. and the MODs usually do comment to the posters
when they are being placed in security or asked to behave.

as for the others getting warned or not, if i issue them an alert like i did
for your post that got reported in Oct., yeah, that you cannot see.
yes, i know that i issued you an alert previously that was essentially private,
and have now made that public, but that was only b/c you questioned publically
why you got points and no one else either got "warned" or points.

so yeah when someone is assessed points then they get a big warned post
button on the offending post.

RE: Is Jack gay?

Here's what I think - I don't believe Jack is gay. I think he is EXTREMELY emotionally closed off. Even when "flirting" with Ana Lucia and the stewardess he wasn't exactly Mr. Excitement. He needs some major therapy before he'll be able to have a serious realtionship with anyone.

RE: Is Jack gay?

Here's what I think - I don't believe Jack is gay. I think he is EXTREMELY emotionally closed off. Even when "flirting" with Ana Lucia and the stewardess he wasn't exactly Mr. Excitement. He needs some major therapy before he'll be able to have a serious realtionship with anyone.
I think major therapy is on tap for them all LOL. When you think about it, love is never convenient anyway. It comes when it comes. And no one ever truly loses all their baggage, we just learn to carry it around. Plus life will always have ups & downs so a good test if a relationship will endure is if it can weather the big storms & still find its way.

I agree though that Jack just suffered the loss of a loved one, maybe 2, so I do think there is a proper grieving period before he can feel ready to come out of a sort of withdrawn shell. As it stands he's had to push his grief aside in order to take care of everyone, so he hasn't really started the process.

um, you see that big warned button on your post. that is public.
me commenting on it is not anything new. everyone can see your
big warned post button. and the MODs usually do comment to the posters
when they are being placed in security or asked to behave.

as for the others getting warned or not, if i issue them an alert like i did
for your post that got reported in Oct., yeah, that you cannot see.
yes, i know that i issued you an alert previously that was essentially private,
and have now made that public, but that was only b/c you questioned publically
why you got points and no one else either got "warned" or points.

so yeah when someone is assessed points then they get a big warned post
button on the offending post.
Why did I just get a warning for quoting a post by another poster that didn't receive a warning for posting it in the first place?

I think major therapy is on tap for them all LOL. When you think about it, love is never convenient anyway. It comes when it comes. And no one ever truly loses all their baggage, we just learn to carry it around. Plus life will always have ups & downs so a good test if a relationship will endure is if it can weather the big storms & still find its way.

I agree though that Jack just suffered the loss of a loved one, maybe 2, so I do think there is such a proper grieving period before he can feel ready to come out of a sort of protective shell.

You're right banshee...Jack - and the rest of the islanders for that matter - have been through a lot and have all had to deal with losses in one way or another so it makes sense that they are all pretty closed off emotionally. Too bad there wasn't a good therapist that crashed on the island with them! LOL

Why did I just get a warning for quoting a post by another poster that didn't receive a warning for posting it in the first place?
1) Using someone else's words to attack/insult somebody in a post does not make the post any less of an attack/insult.

2) You have no way of knowing whether or not the poster in question (who originally posted the phrase you posted) has received Warning Alerts from the Staff, so please to do assume to know what action the Staff have/have not taken.

3) In future, it would be better practice to actually Report any posts that you feel are "bad" or insulting, before you complain about any a percieved lack of action. If a bad post is not reported, it makes it a lot harder for the Staff to take any required action.

1) Using someone else's words to attack/insult somebody in a post does not make the post any less of an attack/insult.

2) You have no way of knowing whether or not the poster in question (who originally posted the phrase you posted) has received Warning Alerts from the Staff, so please to do assume to know what action the Staff have/have not taken.

3) In future, it would be better practice to actually Report any posts that you feel are "bad" or insulting, before you complain about any a percieved lack of action. If a bad post is not reported, it makes it a lot harder for the Staff to take any required action.
1) I used them towards you as she did to me, thus if you perceive it as an attack on you, surely you must perceive it as an attack on me when she used them. Thus, if you warned me, and issued points, it is clear you should do the same for her.

2) Yes I do. As you described earlier, if she was warned it would have shown in the thread. Since the words and intent in her post were identical to mine, the "punishment" should be identical as well.

3) I did report the post, yet you did not take the same action against the poster as you did for an identical post by me. That seems odd.

edit: oops, mixed you up with halfrek, but you get the idea.

You're right banshee...Jack - and the rest of the islanders for that matter - have been through a lot and have all had to deal with losses in one way or another so it makes sense that they are all pretty closed off emotionally. Too bad there wasn't a good therapist that crashed on the island with them! LOL

LOL it's true ;) i agree with both you and bansh. But I have a feeling the island is going to provide an intense "therapy"-like atmosphere....

I guess that's one of the main points? That "all of us are lost"?

1) I used them towards you as she did to me, thus if you perceive it as an attack on you, surely you must perceive it as an attack on me when she used them. Thus, if you warned me, and issued points, it is clear you should do the same for her.
You didn't use them towards me, you used them towards halfrek.

I did not percieve it as an attack on me, I percived it as an attack on halfrek.

halfrek has clearly stated earlier in this thread that the reason you were issued Warning Points was that you had already received a "No Points" Alert for rudeness, and were disregarding it.

Yes, we most certainly should "do the same for her". :)

I can assure you that if Krystal disregards any Alerts she has received and makes further rude posts here (as you did), she will be given Warning Points (as you were).


2) Yes I do. As you described earlier, if she was warned it would have shown in the thread. Since the words and intent in her post were identical to mine, the "punishment" should be identical as well.No, you do not.

I was not lying.

You seem to be either misunderstanding, or twisting my words.:undecide:

To reiterate my previous post: "you have no way of knowing whether or not a poster has recieved Warning Alerts from the Staff". Alerts are not "shown in the thread". You will know this from your experience of the Alert that you have previously received.

Also? It is actually entirely unclear as to whether the "intent" was identical, as your post was directed at the member of Staff who had warned you for a rude post moments earlier. Most posters would probably agree that a rude response in reply to baiting statements made by another poster, and an insult aimed at a member of Staff could have widely varying motives.

As far as identical punishment goes...

Your "first offence" in this thread did not result in you being given Warning Points. :)

Yet, in demanding she be given Warning Points, you are insisting upon a harsher equivalent punishment for Krystal? That is certianly not identical. :(


3) I did report the post, yet you did not take the same action against the poster as you did for an identical post by me. That seems odd.
My point was that you did not report the post before you responded to it with rudeness, or were warned for your own offending post.

It is the Staff's job to respond to "bad posts", not yours.

Common sense surely would be to report it any attacks directed at you straight away, no?

You complain about Krystal's post... Which you say was an attack on you, yet you did not report it until more than an hour after you replied to it. :undecide:


It may be useful to other posters for us to go over what took place here, so that they can learn from your mistakes...

a) You read Krystal's post, and perceive it as a rude attack.

b) Rather than report it, you post rude comments yourself in response.

c) Your post is reported for its rudeness.

d) Your post is Warned.

e) You then decide to report Krystal's post, and in the comments demand that she be Warned (which could suggest mixed motives behind the reporting of the post, as it clearly did not warrant your reporting it when you read it).

f) You then use a quote of the post that offended you to post rude comments towards the member of Staff that issued the warning. Totally uncalled for.

g) You receive another warning for your second rude post.

h) You publicly complain about the second warning, and accuse the Staff of failing to take any action on Krystal's post (that you did not report initially). Which could in itself considered to be disrespectful and rude to any members of Staff concerned.

i) You are given a public explanation of why you were warned, along with clarifying infomation regarding Posters' lack of access to Warning Alert information, and helpful advice for future encounters with "bad posts"

j) You again complain publically about your treatment, accuse the Staff of being unfair, and insinuate that they are lying.

k) Members of Staff have to type futher (and lengthy!) public explanations to assist you in comprehending the simple reasons behind your Warnings, and how your arguments are flawed.

It should be clear from all that to see that if you had reported Krystal's post in the first place (when you initially perceived it as an attack), then all of the b-k could have been avoided, and you would have zero Warning Points, rather than being in your current situation.


Hope that helps to clarify things. :)


ETA: Oops, yes you did.

I would have thought that was actually kinda hard, given the totally different names, colours and posting styles. Oh well, you can disregard the first two clarifying sentences. :)

I would like to take this opportunity to declare myself the first and possibly only one that got the Seinfeld reference. :p


.......or not

Gee....this is more entertaining than the show itself!!!! Keep it going!!!!

Gee....this is more entertaining than the show itself!!!! Keep it going!!!!

Or Not.

I personally would have nothing against it morally, I mean, if he was gay, I wouldn't stop watching the show or anything. I just think, that it would be steering the show more towards "drama" than mystery, and stuff.

I mean, it would start turning the drama they go through about sex, and "whose sleeping with who" not who the others are, and how they're goign to survive.

we already have so many shows about sex, and "highschool-type drama"
the reason LOST is my favorite show, is becasue it doesn't deal with that kind of crap.


and yea, I think its kinda a bad image to be sending out, that if your not boning every girl in sight, you must be gay...



I disagree. Having a gay character introduced or a preexisting character revealed to be gay would not necessarily make the show about sex or "high school drama," as long as that character's main focus was not his/her sexuality.

Lindelof said in an interview that he did not want to have a "token" gay character, that if there were a gay character, the sexuality would not necessarily be the focus, but it wouldn't be hidden, either.

Homosexuality isn't always about sex. Just as heterosexuality isn't always about sex. Jin and Sun, Charlie and Claire, Sayid and Shannon, Kate/Sawyer/Jack... those aren't specifically about sex. Sex is involved, of course, but it is not the focus. The same applies to potential gay characters (and homosexuality in general).

Having a gay character would not shift the show's focus to sex.

That said, I don't think Jack is gay. Michael, maybe, as he was pointed out in the interview with Lindelof. Maybe Ecko. Or Libby. Or Cindy. Not that it matters, anyway, as it would not change their characters substantially.

Look, they're not gonna have the lead, main, strong 'fatherly' and masculine leader of the show turn out to be gay.

Look, they're not gonna have the lead, main, strong 'fatherly' and masculine leader of the show turn out to be gay.


"They're not gonna have a black woman on television who isn't the maid." Whoops, Star Trek.

"They're not gonna show an interracial kiss." Star Trek.

"They're not gonna have an Asian character being played by an Asian actor." Green Hornet.

"They're not gonna have an all-black cast and still be successful." The Cosby Show.

"They're not gonna show two men in bed together." Thirty-something.

"They're not gonna have a homosexual lead role." Will & Grace.

"They're not gonna portray a long-term same-sex relationship on a network television show." Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

"They're not gonna have a female lead billed over a male lead." I Love Lucy.


There are many "firsts" in the history of television. Lost may never be one of them in the sense that we're talking about, but eventually someone will, and the defeatist "not gonna happen" attitude will be defeated, yet again.

touche, except for one thing-

jack isn't gay. he just isn't.

touche, except for one thing-

jack isn't gay. he just isn't.

I agree. Because I feel his feelings for Kate, and his (former) wife, have been well established. Not because he's the masculine, fatherly, leader of the group.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloBear


He loves me not

He loves me

He loves me not

Could

Kate and Jack

both

be singing the same mantra?

I see it now...

Kate and Jack fighting over Sawyer.






nice post apollobear! :cool:

Thanx EarlhamGirl.
I had fun with it.
lol

Namaste

:cool:

Look, they're not gonna have the lead, main, strong 'fatherly' and masculine leader of the show turn out to be gay.

Uhm....not all gay men carry hand bags. They can be strong, fatherly and very masculine. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if Jack turned out to be gay.

Uhm....not all gay men carry hand bags. They can be strong, fatherly and very masculine. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if Jack turned out to be gay.

Exactly. However, in his (or her) defense, I think that Overshot was just saying that the powers that be wouldn't have the guts to portray a strong, masculine leader as gay... not that there aren't any strong, masculine gay men out there.

That said, I would be very surprised if Jack were gay, being that they've been pimping Jack/Kate big time, even Jack/Ana (Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, and Michelle Rodriguez were all on a magazine cover shortly before the beginning of the season... I don't remember which magazine... but in the article they discussed a possible/probable "triangle" between the two). Not to mention his former wife and even the flirting with Cindy in the pilot episode.

I wouldn't be quite so surprised if Michael or Hurley or Libby or Ecko turned out to be gay... but with Jack, with all the female attention he's been getting/giving... I'd probably take the show less seriously (suspension of disbelief can only go so far).

A lot of Gay men use to be married to chicks....but who cares. I still love the show and I feel like it has a lot more to do with something far bigger then their sexuality. And by the way...if there was going to be any homosexual love happening on the island, I would say the the first sterotypical "gays" would be Ana and Kate. Can you say "butch"?

Look, they're not gonna have the lead, main, strong 'fatherly' and masculine leader of the show turn out to be gay.


I agree. I think it would be a bad move to make him gay. This is just my opinion.

And a bunch of us Jack fans won't hate U either.


Thanks so much for the words of reassurance ApolloBear! I knew before I posted this that it may get people angry at me, but I thought that it was worth talking about. so, kudos to you for not being defensive about the subject! :biggrin:

The question is: Is Jack Gay?

My Answer. No I find him rather glum and somber.

:ntworthy: :roflmao: :lol: :laughing: :lol2: :jump1: :wink1: :clapping: :Jumpy: :ntworthy:

Humor in this thread is often sparse. So, funny post lostbylost! :biggrin:

I think he enjoyed watching Kate get out of the shower a little too much....

I don't believe Jack is gay...

[quote=venicebeachbrat;643338]I think he enjoyed watching Kate get out of the shower a little too much....quote]

He did seem to enjoy it didn't he! :kiss:

[quote=venicebeachbrat;643338]I think he enjoyed watching Kate get out of the shower a little too much....quote]

He did seem to enjoy it didn't he! :kiss:

He sure did!

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Originally Posted by ApolloBear


Thanx EarlhamGirl.
I had fun with it.
lol

Namaste

:cool:

Nice! I think you should it keep it up! I think one about other lostaways would be a fun one too! :biggrin:

Well, I'll keep my personal hopes (and love of slash fanfiction) out of it when I say that he did seem rather happy to see Kate all freshly showered. I think the real key is how he seems to like Ana. At the end of last episode he was almost, kind of, fliriting with her. Don't see him offering Sayid a drink, do we? But boy would that be yummy...In short, I don't think he's gay, but if he was I'd be more than happy. Oh, go ahead, call me a perverted fangirl. I'm used to it.

Lets end all this madness and meet at the halfway point here:
Jack's bisexual: heteromosexual if you will, that makes him straight and gay, and that is that :lipsseal: LOL

Personally, I don't see how anyone can still think Jack could be gay after he locked lips with Kate!:kiss:

Are you kidding?! If he was gay then there wouldn't be a big love triangle thing going on and the a major aspect of the storyline would just cease to exist. Unless he fancied Sawyer, who could blame him after all? He does like Kate though did you not see his reaction when she offered to speak Sawyer's language to get the gun back? Besides after all of that stuff with his dad he probably has trust issues not to mention that Kate+Sawyer are a very real possibility.

This Jack-is-Gay movement needs to be squashed. The man has been married, and has been shown to be attracted to Kate several times during the course of the show. And then last week they kissed! What more does a person need to see or hear?

While we're at, I think John Rambo was probably a homosexual, and don't even get me started on Superman....

Jack loves Kate so nope, he's not gay! That would be nice if Jack and Sawyer hooked up though wouldn't it? lol kidding :p

This Jack-is-Gay movement needs to be squashed. The man has been married, and has been shown to be attracted to Kate several times during the course of the show. And then last week they kissed! What more does a person need to see or hear?

While we're at, I think John Rambo was probably a homosexual, and don't even get me started on Superman....


I don't think that anyone has participated in the Jack-is-Gay movement for like, 8 pages now. ;-)

Jack loves Kate so nope, he's not gay! That would be nice if Jack and Sawyer hooked up though wouldn't it? lol kidding :p

That would be even hotter than Jack/ Kate or Sawyer/ Kate!!! Just Imagine the hottness and reflect!!! :kiss:

It certainly is an interesting suggestion. What a twist it would be since a lot of fans are routing for a Jack/Kate hookup, including myself. I just don't see the writers going in that direction. But then again, with all the mystery surrounding each character, the island, and the show overall, who knows what to expect.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can still think Jack could be gay after he locked lips with Kate!:kiss:

I don't know Jinx, that kiss left an awful lot to be desired. IMO, it was not what I thought a kiss between the two of them would have been, there was no want, there was no emotion (I mean other than Kate's outburst) and I didn't see the desire that I would have liked to have seen. Jack seemed genuinely shocked when she kissed him. And, there was no tongue....not that tongue is the mark of a particularly passionate kiss, but it does help.

On the other hand, it is true that Sawyer tricked Kate into kissing him, but be that as it may, about 4 seconds into that kiss, it became somethin' else. If you'll notice she stopped it. She had to pull away from him or she was going to end up on the floor of that patch of jungle doin' Heaven knows what with him, which, if I'm right, would have been exactly what he wanted. Also, when he gave out with that little moan about half way through, that was priceless!

Personally, I just don't think the intensity is there with Jack like it is with Sawyer.

But then again, I could be wrong.

Huggs,
Lisa :cool:

I don't know Jinx, that kiss left an awful lot to be desired. IMO, it was not what I thought a kiss between the two of them would have been, there was no want, there was no emotion (I mean other than Kate's outburst) and I didn't see the desire that I would have liked to have seen. Jack seemed genuinely shocked when she kissed him. And, there was no tongue....not that tongue is the mark of a particularly passionate kiss, but it does help.

On the other hand, it is true that Sawyer tricked Kate into kissing him, but be that as it may, about 4 seconds into that kiss, it became somethin' else. If you'll notice she stopped it. She had to pull away from him or she was going to end up on the floor of that patch of jungle doin' Heaven knows what with him, which, if I'm right, would have been exactly what he wanted. Also, when he gave out with that little moan about half way through, that was priceless!

Personally, I just don't think the intensity is there with Jack like it is with Sawyer.

But then again, I could be wrong.

Huggs,
Lisa :cool:


I thought the kiss was perfect....exactly how I'd want to be kissed for the first time by someone who I had a deep emotional bond with. It had passion & desire without being overdone or inappropriate for the moment. It was a kiss born of an emotional moment, & so reflected that by being more about love than lust imo.

I think the problem comes in (a) trying to compare KS's kiss w/JK's when it's apples/oranges re:their dynamics (b) there are different kinds of kisses for different times (c) a kiss is not what defines love between 2 ppl. Porn stars make out all hot & fiery all the time lol, but the chemistry is limited to sexuality...Jack & Kate are just beginning to explore that side of their relationship & I love the attraction between them.

Kate seemed to be very much enjoying her kiss with Jack, & she didn't look like she wanted to pull away from him. Matter of fact, she even put her forehead against his & her hands on his chest while having a pained expression it was ending.At one pnt immediately after it seemed as though she was staring at his lips to go in again.

There was tongue. Jack was actually the first one to slip it but it was subtle & in shadow. Kate responded to him. You can tell he used it because his tongue is raised when they first part.

He was completely cognizant that Kate was in an emotional state, he saw KS in the hatch, & heard what Sawyer said, so there is bound to be some reluctance on his part to surrender because he thinks he's already lost her.... Just as he started to get into it, she pulled away, & he looked very captivated & bereft her lips were gone.

I still get butterflies watching it over & over which I did not feel w/KS. So I think it comes down to having to appreciate a dynamic in order to feel the impact of the kisses. I wouldn't expect folks partial to KS to feel the intensity I did w/JK since we differ on what we prefer.

Jack loves Kate so nope, he's not gay! That would be nice if Jack and Sawyer hooked up though wouldn't it? lol kidding :p

uggh... I just vomited in my mouth a little.

I thought the kiss was perfect....exactly how I'd want to be kissed for the first time by someone who I had a deep emotional bond with. It had passion & desire without being overdone or inappropriate for the moment. It was a kiss born of an emotional moment, & so reflected that by being more about love than lust imo.

I think the problem comes in (a) trying to compare KS's kiss w/JK's when it's apples/oranges re:their dynamics (b) there are different kinds of kisses for different times (c) a kiss is not what defines love between 2 ppl. Porn stars make out all hot & fiery all the time lol, but the chemistry is limited to sexuality...Jack & Kate are just beginning to explore that side of their relationship & I loe the attraction between them.

Kate seemed to be very much enjoying her kiss with Jack, & she didn't look like she wanted to pull away from him. Matter of fact, she even put her forehead against his & her hands on his chest while having a pained expression it was ending.At one pnt immediately after it seemed as though she was staring at his lips to go in again.

There was tongue. Jack was actually the first one to slip it but it was subtle & in shadow. Kate responded to him. You can tell he used it because his tongue is raised when they first part.

He was completely cognizant that Kate was in an emotional state, he saw KS in the hatch, & heard what Sawyer said, so there is bound to be some reluctance on his part to surrender because he thinks he's already lost her.... Just as he started to get into it, she pulled away, & he looked very captivated & bereft her lips were gone.

I still get butterflies watching it over & over which I did not feel w/KS. So I think it comes down to having to appreciate a dynamic in order to feel the impact of the kisses. I wouldn't expect folks partial to KS to feel the intensity I did w/JK since we differ on what we prefer.


Hi Banshee,

You make an excellent argument, I'm going to go back to my VCR and check that out again.

Thanks for making me think....I love to have intelligent discussions.

Huggs,
Lisa :cool:

To me it looked that Kate kissed Jack. He looked a little shocked but not quite happy it happened. I am still open to the possibility that he may have a little sugar in his tank. I have watched all the interactions between he and Kate and she seems to be the agressor and he just seems like he is being polite. I think it is in all how you look at it.

It could be part of why Jack and his wife are "no more".

thanks lisa for being open to my perspective :) ..I've watched it many times I suppose :blushing:

To me it looked that Kate kissed Jack. He looked a little shocked but not quite happy it happened. I am still open to the possibility that he may have a little sugar in his tank. I have watched all the interactions between he and Kate and she seems to be the agressor and he just seems like he is being polite. I think it is in all how you look at it.

It could be part of why Jack and his wife are "no more".
LOL sugar in his tank :laugh:

Well, as I mentioned in my previous post, Jack had a lot going through his mind when Kate caught him off guard. He was happy though I agree.

And as you said, we still don't know what happened w/his wife. I have a feeling he was cheated on...Jack is a gentleman, but I actually prefer that. I think he's shown more passion than most when he commits himself to something, but he needs emotional litmus tests to feel secure before he lets himself go w/someone or allows himself to indulge fully.

I'm not surprised Kate has been the aggressor because she is more comfortable in physicality than emotionality & Jack is the opposite. I think some great scenes showing how he can't help himself w/Kate-is the hesitation to touch her face in Walkabout but he gives in...And pulling her to him protectively in WKD to hug her & seeing his pained expression over how upset she was, I think is very telling of how deep in he is.

Hmmmm...I guess it's all how you look at.

:confused: Um...no...he's not...gay...

Well until I see him "getting down" with a female, I am leaving the idea that he is gay as a possibility. I know some gay men who are strangely attracted to butchy-tom boys. I think Kate and Ana both fit into that costume quite well. I raise up my hands and slowly walk out while I saying, "I won't know until I see otherwise."

I just don't see how him being gay could be a possibility anymore lol..He's been married, had a girlfriend, flirted w/the stewardess, Ana, Kate, freaked out Kate was gone "Where's Kate!", enjoyed the kiss, & w/how upset he got after Kate ran off-looking disappointed/was blowing off steam chopping wood, & then going to Ana to find comfort-the dude is in love w/Kate :laugh:

Hmmmm...I guess it's all how you look at.

Yes it is all about how you look at it and all you see is something that the majority of us aren't seeing. If it was the writers intent to make their lead character gay, then why would they place him in a love triangle initially?

Sorry to tell you this but plenty of Gay Men have been married before they came out of the closet and as for them being flirtatious...ever been to a gay bar? I've had gay men want to make out with me all the time. Yeah...I just exposed myself as the quinessential "*** Hag" in college. What else is a Theater Major Geek supposed to do? lol. Cheers!!!

Sorry to tell you this but plenty of Gay Men have been married before they came out of the closet and as for them being flirtatious...ever been to a gay bar? I've had gay men want to make out with me all the time.

So let me get this straight. Your basis on why you think Jack is gay is because he has been married before and been flirtatious with Kate.

Yep, if that doesn't represent homosexuality, I don't know what does :rolleyes:

So let me get this straight. Your basis on why you think Jack is gay is because he has been married before and been flirtatious with Kate.

Yep, if that doesn't represent homosexuality, I don't know what does :rolleyes:

Nope. I thought this tread was started over a speculation or a possibility of Jack being gay. I am not saying he is for sure-100% gay but all I am saying is that I am not eliminating it as a possiblility. Geez. I am not into arguing, I am just expressing my opinion. I see something layered in Jacks character. He is complex and may be gay. Is there anything wrong with having that opinion or seeing things differently than everyone? I don't always judge a book by it's cover. It's not even that deep anyway. Who cares if he is? I would still love his character to death and it would have no effect on me if he was. There is no reason for me to think otherwise but leave it alone as a possibility.

I just don't see your reasoning that's all. It's not something that we have to argue about lol, but based on your opinion, everyone is considered a homo (or atleast it's a possibility) until proven otherwise. Jack shouldn't have to "do" anything to prove that he isn't gay.

Anyway, both of us could express our different opinions until we are blue in the face and it won't have any impact on the other. We'll see how the story plays out, how's that?

My question is: why is this the only "Is _____gay?" thread on the board? (To my knowledge) Hurley hasn't "done the deed" with anyone on the island yet, and neither have Locke, Charlie, Kate, Sawyer, Claire, or Michael. If we're going on the assumption that just because a character has had heterosexual relations in the past, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are still straight, then any or all of them could be gay.

All of them being gay wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, it's just an observation that I thought I would throw out there. :smile:

Shep, you and I basically said the same thing. :)

I just don't see your reasoning that's all. It's not something that we have to argue about lol, but based on your opinion, everyone is considered a homo (or atleast it's a possibility) until proven otherwise. Jack shouldn't have to "do" anything to prove that he isn't gay.

Anyway, both of us could express our different opinions until we are blue in the face and it won't have any impact on the other. We'll see how the story plays out, how's that?

Cool...but you wouldn't want to make a little wager on the outcome, would you? Just kidding!!! lol, Cheers to possiblility in general!:wine:

Cool...but you wouldn't want to make a little wager on the outcome, would you? Just kidding!!! lol, Cheers to possiblility in general!:wine:


Now these are the kind of challenges I like. I'll put $5000 on the table that he isn't gay. :biggrin:

*edit* maybe I should re-think that wager-I'm not made of money. :smile:

If they were to introduce a gay character on the show, as in reveal that one of them is homosexual or bi, I'd like to think they wouldn't go for the obvious, and Damon lindelof's interview made me think they won't. Gay men don't have to wear pink and be like Jack on Will and Grace, and lesbians don't have to be androginous or anything of the sort. I think almost any character could be gay, bisexual, or just have a gay relationship on the island (the circumstances are very important, and on that weird island, anything could happen). That being said, if they make someone gay, I would like it to be Jack (in love with Sawyer). That would increase the tension in the triangle, and frankly, it is the only gay couple I think it would work. Plus, it woul be a really brave choice, because of him beeing the leader and all. But, I think the writers would choose Michael or one of the tailies.

Anyway, Jack may or may not be gay or bisexual, as anyone else on the island. We'll just have to see what they do.

Ahh but there is the actual phrase "love triangle" to contend with. The three points of the triangle are connected so that suggests that it isn't only between Jack and kate and Sawyer and Kate, but there is also a "Love" between Jack and Sawyer.Just pointing that out.

Whetyher Jack is gay bisexual or straight is really a mute point though. It won't make the character any more or less interesting, nor will it make me think anything other than what I already do about Mat Fox. However if you watch season 2 epi 1 look out for a redshirt who seems pretty gay. hehehehe

Well put Amy and Sniffer!

Sorry to tell you this but plenty of Gay Men have been married before they came out of the closet and as for them being flirtatious...ever been to a gay bar? I've had gay men want to make out with me all the time!

Though I'm not sure that he is gay, this is still a point that no one else and should be considered.

i dont think hes gay just finds it hard to trust/love women just incase he fails them, same as why he didnt want to lead the group.Because his dad kept telling him he didnt have what it took.

I don't think Jack is gay. The love triangle is Sawyer liking and Jack liking Kate. Kate is the top point of the triangle and Sawyer and Jack are at the sides. They both wanna be with the top (Kate) Wow that was corny. :-P But still Jack is not gay. I know he doesn't have to be like Jack from Will&Grace but I have never seen him act gay towards anyone.

From your reasoning. We could say Locke is gay because he broke up with helen and likes to hang out with Walt. We could say anyone on the Island is gay. That is not enough evidence to say he is gay. I would hold off until you have more proof.

I think we're all asking the wrong question here.

Instead of wondering if "jack is gay", I think the bigger question that needs our attention is, "Is Jack really a doctor?"

I mean, they never showed Jack get accepted to or attend med school, they've never shown us his degree and license in medicine in any scenes, not even in the background.

Yeah sure, they've shown him operating on patients and in a medical review board meeting and he seems to demonstrate a lot of knowledge about being a doctor... but... I dont know, there might be a curveball somewhere that hasn't been thrown our way yet. Perhaps Jack is a fake, a man pretending to be a doctor- an imposter. Fugazi. Just because they've shown him do doctor-like things doesn't mean anything.

I plan on starting a controversial thread about this later on, so that people can speculate baselessly about this already established, clear, evidenced, character facet of Jack's.

Thank you, and I hope someone got where I was going with this... >:|

I don't think Jack is gay. The love triangle is Sawyer liking and Jack liking Kate. Kate is the top point of the triangle and Sawyer and Jack are at the sides. They both wanna be with the top (Kate) Wow that was corny. :-P But still Jack is not gay. I know he doesn't have to be like Jack from Will&Grace but I have never seen him act gay towards anyone.

From your reasoning. We could say Locke is gay because he broke up with helen and likes to hang out with Walt. We could say anyone on the Island is gay. That is not enough evidence to say he is gay. I would hold off until you have more proof.


Wouldn't that make Locke not gay but a sicko-boy-loving-petiphile? Ewwwwww!

Again..Didn't say his IS gay. It's just a possiblility. So I will hold off...oh, but may be the triangle has to do with Jack lovin' Sawyer and Sawyer loving Kate. LOL!! It's not that deep but who knows!!!!!!!:biggrin:

Wouldn't that make Locke not gay but a sicko-boy-loving-petiphile? Ewwwwww!

Again..Didn't say his IS gay. It's just a possiblility. So I will hold off...oh, but may be the triangle has to do with Jack lovin' Sawyer and Sawyer loving Kate. LOL!! It's not that deep but who knows!!!!!!!:biggrin:

Hey that was just an example!!! Locke is not like Micael Jackson! Lol...

But really, think about what you have used as examples. Stereo-types can be so hurtful. Will and Grace is a sitcom in which a lot of gay men do not identify. I think anyone who is gay would be quite offended by the Locke/Walt=Gay example. I hope you are kidding but again, I have nothing to be offended about. It really doesn't matter to me, it is just an idea of a possibility. Besides people can be very suprising and unpredictable.

Wait what? I was kidding. And being sarcastic. How would that offend people? Stereotypes. No I love Locke, I was just stating the fact that you can't say he is gay because there is not enough reasoning.

i've noticed that a lot of people (and they're usually not very bright humans) tend to get offended easily on these boards.

Hey.... people can be sensitive without being stupid. Usually people who just chime into threads and blurt out nonsense are usually instagaters.

Warning, Warning, what follows is a bit of foolishness that was planted in my head by EarlhamGirl, who I have the pleasure of seeing nearly every day. She put me up to it. Don't get mad at me. Blame her.

Jack is totally gay. Gayer than gay. Big, flamer. He wants Sawyer. And Hurley. Probably Charlie, too. Yeah, english guys are sexy. He's digging the accent. I have a sense about these things. I'm thinking his friend, his red-haired best man. . . the two of them had a little meeting of the, er, minds, so to speak, and the wife walked in. That's why he's not married.

Flamer. Totally. I love gay men.

we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Annabananna

Annabananna is spelled wrong on purpose

walt is evil, but I miss him, and he has mad chess skillz

Seriously, I am not trying to offend anyone. I agree with the two previous statements to my post. I think people take themselves way too seriously sometimes on this board, and it's valid to ask a question like, "Is Jack Gay?" because, well, he just might be. The point is, we don't know, and sometimes it's good to just laugh and be goofy.

no offense meant by my previous post. I just like to laugh.

hugs to all
the bananna

i am totally offended by that post above saying jack was flaming... saying that he was queerer than a solar powered flashlight..

This thread is still alive? :ohwell:

I was watching something on TV last night. I think it was HBO. At one point they were describing an experiment which was conducted, using male college students.

They had the guys fill out a questionaire to determine which were homophobes.

Then they took 2 groups ... one they classified as homophobes, and one not.

They then put the guys in a room alone (and attached a device to measure ... uh ... movement below) and then played a film which included a homosexual love scene.

Afterward, they asked each one if they had been aroused or had no reaction.

Guess what??? :confused:

The homophobes claimed they had not been aroused ... but the measurement device said otherwise.

The non-homophobes claimed to have had no reaction ... and the device backed up their claim.

So ...

To those who are bent on outing someone, and *accusing* this one or that one of being gay, as if it were a contaminant ... me thinks thou doth protesteth too much.

Warning, Warning, what follows is a bit of foolishness that was planted in my head by EarlhamGirl, who I have the pleasure of seeing nearly every day. She put me up to it. Don't get mad at me. Blame her.

Don't blame for your comments! :frown:

I think people take themselves way too seriously sometimes on this board, and it's valid to ask a question like, "Is Jack Gay?" because, well, he just might be. The point is, we don't know, and sometimes it's good to just laugh and be goofy.


You're right, it's a valid question to ask, but I agree with Shep when she asked why is Jack the only target of that question? There's clearly not enough evidence for anyone to state Jack is gay, but why hasn't anyone questioned the sexuality of all the other male castaways? It boggles my mind that it's only asked about Jack and not others like Sawyer, Charlie or Hurley, because guess what, they might just be, we don't know.

i am totally offended by that post above saying jack was flaming... saying that he was queerer than a solar powered flashlight..

I think castingcrownsfan/ the bananna was just trying to talk about the irony of this thread's comments. If you had just read the 2nd comment, you'd realize that she didn't mean it. Sorry if you felt offended! :unhappy:

Oh my GAWD this thread is out of hand! Okay! OKAY! OKAY! I am fully convinced!!! Jack is not gay. There is no possibility that he is gay. He is so straight that I can smell it! Jack is a straight as a board!!! He loves Kate. There is no way he could be gay because all his actions show otherwise. He is constantly aroused by Kate and all the other women on the island! In fact he can't control himself!!! He is bursting with uncontrolable manliness and at any point he is going to take his manly self and take a super straight cold shower!!

lol!

Oh my GAWD this thread is out of hand! Okay! OKAY! OKAY! I am fully convinced!!! Jack is not gay. There is no possibility that he is gay. He is so straight that I can smell it! Jack is a straight as a board!!! He loves Kate. There is no way he could be gay because all his actions show otherwise. He is constantly aroused by Kate and all the other women on the island! In fact he can't control himself!!! He is bursting with uncontrolable manliness and at any point he is going to take his manly self and take a super straight cold shower!!

lol!

:Jumpy: :rotflmao: :Jumpy: :clapping: :clap:

Thank you,
I'm here all week.

Oh my GAWD this thread is out of hand! Okay! OKAY! OKAY! I am fully convinced!!! Jack is not gay. There is no possibility that he is gay. He is so straight that I can smell it! Jack is a straight as a board!!! He loves Kate. There is no way he could be gay because all his actions show otherwise. He is constantly aroused by Kate and all the other women on the island! In fact he can't control himself!!! He is bursting with uncontrolable manliness and at any point he is going to take his manly self and take a super straight cold shower!!

lol!


No sorry I'm going to give this post a thumbs down, because you didn't see where any of us that had a different perspective were coming from. It's all about sarcasm with some people.

Oh my GAWD this thread is out of hand! Okay! OKAY! OKAY! I am fully convinced!!! Jack is not gay. There is no possibility that he is gay. He is so straight that I can smell it! Jack is a straight as a board!!! He loves Kate. There is no way he could be gay because all his actions show otherwise. He is constantly aroused by Kate and all the other women on the island! In fact he can't control himself!!! He is bursting with uncontrolable manliness and at any point he is going to take his manly self and take a super straight cold shower!!

lol!

You made me laugh! That is something that is very hard to do when reading this thread!
:ntworthy: :laughing: :lol: :jump1: :lol2: :group: :clapping: :lol1: :msn-wink: :rotflmao: :w00t:

You made me laugh! That is something that is very hard to do when reading this thread!


Well an easy solution would be to not read this thread. I didn't know the material in this thread was of utmost importance to you. :ohwell:

No sorry I'm going to give this post a thumbs down, because you didn't see where any of us that had a different perspective were coming from. It's all about sarcasm with some people.

That is because, and I have said it numerous times already, that I am a student at Sawyer U. I am majoring in Sawyerism with a double major in Scarcasim. I can't wait until Nickname 101 in which I will be talking next quarter. I have got passion, sister!!!:biggrin:

Oh and stop giving me the finger. I am sooo offended by the Roger Ebert hand gesture.

lol!

That is because, and I have said it numerous times already, that I am a student at Sawyer U. I am majoring in Sawyerism with a double major in Scarcasim. I can't wait until Nickname 101 in which I will be talking next quarter. I have got passion, sister!!!:biggrin:

Oh and stop giving me the finger. I am sooo offended by the Roger Ebert hand gesture.

lol!

Who's Roger Ebert? :biggrin:

*makes a runnig start and smashes head into the wall*

*makes a runnig start and smashes head into the wall*

Just kiddin :biggrin:

Well an easy solution would be to not read this thread. I didn't know the material in this thread was of utmost importance to you. :ohwell:

Well, I kinda started this thread. :wink1: That means maybe I am interested in what people have to say on the subject!

Well, I kinda started this thread. :wink1: That means maybe I am interested in what people have to say on the subject!

Oh, so you started out under the screen name RORL lol.

Oops, never mind, I didn't read your signature until just now. :)

Well, I kinda started this thread. :wink1: That means maybe I am interested in what people have to say on the subject!

Rock on! It's provacative yet.....super hillarious!!! Love it. Now who else can we "out"......I have got bet's on Ana and Kate cuz, come on, we all know they both don't wear their sandels in a feminine way.

lol!

Oh, so you started out under the screen name RORL lol.

Oops, never mind, I didn't read your signature until just now. :)

No worries! :group: I just like to contribute to this thread often. :jack:

lol!!!!!!!!!

EarlhamGirl, no intention of dragging you out and making you a target for people. . . my bad. My comments are my own, not her's, so don't blame her.

Also, jack is not he only character who has been thought of as possibly, maybe, he might be, oh my gosh, this is a TV show let's use our imaginations people type way. I just got screamed at in the spoiler section of insinuating that it could turn out Charlie is gay. I've also hear AL as being questioned, as well as Libby, Locke, Hurley and even Sawyer. So everyone has been fair game.

And just because someone believes something you don't doesn't mean they don't respect you. I fully support everyone's right to be as into and intense about this show as they want to be. But please, everyone, don't get oversensitive and hurt by things people say. Its' a show, and no one's feelings are worth getting hurt over this, no matter who good it is.

If my comments have offended, my apologies. I only meant to lighten things up, and certainly meant no disrespect to Matt Fox, the character he plays, or anyone here.

hugs to all,
the bananna

YES! YES! YES!

i see Jack and Jin.

Kate can have Sawyer.

Or since she's so confused Ana showing Kate some things..

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No. Because Jin has Sun. And Jack isn't gay.

Rock on! It's provacative yet.....super hillarious!!! Love it. Now who else can we "out"......I have got bet's on Ana and Kate cuz, come on, we all know they both don't wear their sandels in a feminine way.

lol!

Thanks for the feedback on the thread. Yeah, I have heard that kind of speculation about Ana Lucia, but I'm not sure that I buy into it.

hi i am new today....so i was surprised to see this discussion....i have kind of felt for a long time that jack may be gay...but then i saw the dvd collection were jack was suppose to be killed in the beginning of the series and then that was changed...and then i noticed that he is almost killed in every episode for a while....so i think in some ways he may be the least thought out character...even though he is the main charachter.....although the idea that he is jealous of the interactions between kate and sawyer may really be because he is attracted to sawyer and not to kate.....

I think Rose is probably the ONLY character on the show whose life has never been in jeopardy...

....hmm.

hell no!

after reading this thread, it occurred to me that when i was assigned to unit with both female and male, any kind of romance, or look, or issue was watched by everyone! you couldnt make a move with out any one knowing. Or asking questions. I know i kept many wondering and never once satified thier questions. Sure there are places on the island to hide. its a hard call on Jack. personnally i feel his the kind of guy that says, that will never happen to me again. maybe instead of going for it! he is stepping back this time and taking as it comes. i admit i would be dissappointed if he was gay, but truth it wouldnt stop me from watching the show. Jack is a good soul, like rose said and he is worth of friendship no matter what. if he is gay well, who cares as long as he stay the nice caring man he is.

if he is gay well, who cares as long as he stay the nice caring man he is.
What woould happen to the whole love triangle with Sawyer and Kate? Or the love square with Ana Lucia, Kate, and Sawyer?

Jack is a good soul, like rose said and he is worth of friendship no matter what. if he is gay well, who cares as long as he stay the nice caring man he is.

I haven't reallly developed a full theory on this topic yet, but definitely feel the same way as you. As long as Jack will always be Jack, I'll still love and enjoy watching him. :rockon:

hi i am new today....so i was surprised to see this discussion....i have kind of felt for a long time that jack may be gay...but then i saw the dvd collection were jack was suppose to be killed in the beginning of the series and then that was changed...and then i noticed that he is almost killed in every episode for a while....so i think in some ways he may be the least thought out character...even though he is the main charachter.....although the idea that he is jealous of the interactions between kate and sawyer may really be because he is attracted to sawyer and not to kate.....



WHOA!! Dudes...that would be one seriously wicked major big time crapola island psych out for all of us--especially the "Jaters" (of whose camp I do not personally belong) think Kate is more Sawyer's gal. I like Jack and that would really toss us for a loop!!

OK this thread is seriously going to make me nuts...even more than normal. Now I feel like I have to start watching the entire Season 1 again just to check out Jack again. This is really hilarious if it turns out to be true. It may explain the look he gave Kate when she finally kissed him....apologetic??!!

OK this thread is seriously going to make me nuts...even more than normal. Now I feel like I have to start watching the entire Season 1 again just to check out Jack again. This is really hilarious if it turns out to be true. It may explain the look he gave Kate when she finally kissed him....apologetic??!!

I have to agree! Now, I'm over thinking every little action that jack has made so far. I'm going crazy.... maybe I'll rewatch season one also to look for signs! :dizzy:

I feel it is hard to tell, but you know i think he wouldnt have been so excited looking that Ana Hit on him while at the airport! I dont want him to be, not that sweet potato!
the shower scene, the fact that he notices what she does. i think jack is just a good guy who cares about other people.
the episode with boone dying is so hard to watch. he struggles to do his best with what limited resources he has. I can not imagian the turmoil he felt.
anyway, gay or not, i am stuck on Jack!

anyway, gay or not, i am stuck on Jack!

Me too. I totally heart Jack! :kiss:

Me too. I totally heart Jack! :kiss:

Make that three. I love him so much now, even though he drove me mad in season 1.

I have always had the feeling that Jack was somehow responsible for his wife's accidental death.

Here's potential evidence that Jack is gay, via TV Guide released this week:

>>>And on January 18, we'll finally learn some of the problems that plagued Jack's marriage to Sarah and why that's bad news for any romance with Kate. Source: TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/)

I don't know about you, but I think that sounds a lot like Jack might be gay. It really would make perfect sense. Someone on this board argued that his seeming attraction to Kate in the shower scene proves he's straight. However, I think that scene only shows that he was surprised to find her. He's never made any sexual advances the entire series. When Ana-Lucia came up to him in the airport, he really wasn't interested. Watch it again.

Here's potential evidence that Jack is gay, via TV Guide released this week:

>>>And on January 18, we'll finally learn some of the problems that plagued Jack's marriage to Sarah and why that's bad news for any romance with Kate. Source: TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/)

I don't know about you, but I think that sounds a lot like Jack might be gay.

Weird... I'm going to have to take a look at that! :biggrin:

why does this idea scare me? is it the fact that kate may have feelings, and just when she is able to get her self on track, she will face rejection again?
why would he let her kiss him like that, would he not have stopped her?
anyway, we only have 6 more days!

Here's potential evidence that Jack is gay, via TV Guide released this week:

>>>And on January 18, we'll finally learn some of the problems that plagued Jack's marriage to Sarah and why that's bad news for any romance with Kate. Source: TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/)

I don't know about you, but I think that sounds a lot like Jack might be gay. It really would make perfect sense. Someone on this board argued that his seeming attraction to Kate in the shower scene proves he's straight. However, I think that scene only shows that he was surprised to find her. He's never made any sexual advances the entire series. When Ana-Lucia came up to him in the airport, he really wasn't interested. Watch it again.

You guys realize that if this in fact plays out. This will be the strongest gay character EVER on TV. It will be absolute brilliance on the part of the producers (not to mention friggin heartbreaking to half the women in the world) :)

It's brilliant because -as-is-the-actual-reality...you can't tell he is...and you love him anyway because of his character towards his fellow castaways. I'm much more of a Sawyer gal personally, ( sense of humor). So here's my thoughts...Jack could very well be gay. Kate was indeed molested by her sick Dad. Tom married her to get her out of the house (remember she said she was briefly married? and on the tape they made when they were kids she says after Tom says " you always want to run away"..." Yes and you know why".

Now I am rambling. OH JANUARY 11th WHERE ARE THOU??!!

and before anyone replies to that-- I meant the TYPE of sense of humor Sawyer has. I know Jack has one too...just different.

Here's potential evidence that Jack is gay, via TV Guide released this week:

>>>And on January 18, we'll finally learn some of the problems that plagued Jack's marriage to Sarah and why that's bad news for any romance with Kate. Source: TV Guide (http://www.tvguide.com/)

I don't know about you, but I think that sounds a lot like Jack might be gay. It really would make perfect sense. Someone on this board argued that his seeming attraction to Kate in the shower scene proves he's straight. However, I think that scene only shows that he was surprised to find her. He's never made any sexual advances the entire series. When Ana-Lucia came up to him in the airport, he really wasn't interested. Watch it again.

Oh dear, where to begin lol. First off, regarding the tv guide article, that could be interpreted a multitude of ways. I don't think it means Jack is gay at all. It probably means his character traits are just more incompatible with the Kate character. As we the viewers are made aware of these traits and Kate becomes aware, it could very well mean bad news for any romance with her. That's just my way of looking at it. All of your examples above are unsubstantiated. Would it excite you if an unknown stranger came up to you in an airport lol? It certainly would freak me out if someone got as personal as Ana did with Jack just upon meeting him. Also, I think it's quick to judge and almost stereotypical that just because Jack hasn't made any sexual advances throughout the season, that he could be gay. The only people that have made any sexual advances on the island to date are Sun and Jin. And frankly, I could care less. I don't want this show to turn into a soap opera where the storylines consist of nothing but who is sleeping with who, who loves who, who is cheating on who etc. Lost is MUCH MORE than that and that's why it's popularity continues to grow.

The above poster is right- it could mean anything... The first thing that came to mind when I read that quote from TV guide was that maybe Jack and Sarah were HIV positive. That would definitely hinder any romance with Kate. But like I said, it could mean anything.

edit- this is just honest speculation, has nothing to do with the thread title.

You guys realize that if this in fact plays out. This will be the strongest gay character EVER on TV. It will be absolute brilliance on the part of the producers (not to mention friggin heartbreaking to half the women in the world) :)


I'm not sure if this is what the TV- Guide article means, but if it is... then I think he will be the strongest gay character ever, because Jack is one of the best characters on the island. :jack:

I have no problem with homosexuality, but I would really, really, just find it difficult to accept if Jack turned out to be gay. I didn't read the whole 24 pages of this thread, so i'm not sure if anyone else has voiced the same opinion. It just wouldn't be believable to me, and that's the only reason--

wait, i just remembered that i posted basically this exact same post in this exact same thread a few weeks ago. this is like, a repeat post but with different ingredients, like a mitch hedberg joke. uhm, sorry. i'm only pressing 'post reply' because i already spent a minute or two typing this.

Well it wouldn't be believable to me either Overshot, because they've made it clear since the pilot episode that an attraction between the characters of Jack and Kate was inevitable. I don't think it is the intent of the writers to make the character of Jack gay.

It may be a matter of time before we see the LOST Folks "Gaying Out" due to the fact that needs will need to be filled if there isn't "enough to go around". Not that there is anything wrong with that. Who do you think the first gay expose' will be? May be Kate and Ana? or may be the two actors from "OZ" or ummmm.......Claire and Grace?.....oh I know!.....Jack and Locke...They both have Daddy issues...Not that there is anything wrong with that..


HAHAHAHAHA 'gaying out' HAHA ---- that was me typing as i was laughing!

sorry. i know the above post was old but i just now read it for the first time.

I very much doubt jack is gay since he got married and he sort of flirt/cares alot for kate

I agree that it would not be a good twist for Jack to be gay. It would be so sneaky and really not that believable. The writers have been playing up the Jack/Kate story and I really don't think it would be a good move to cut it off like that. However, I think that right now there is strong evidence to indicate this may be the direction the writers are going. If so, it would be their biggest misstep thus far.

However, I think that right now there is strong evidence to indicate this may be the direction the writers are going. If so, it would be their biggest misstep thus far.

I guess I'm still lost (no pun intended.) What is this strong evidence that you speak of lol?

:rolleyes: I very much doubt jack is gay since he got married and he sort of flirt/cares alot for kate


I hate to bring this up but uh--being formerly from NYC I can't tell you how many gay men were formerly married...and also love hanging out with women AND flirting!

Oh well..I still love Jack even if he may be light in his Dr. Clogs. :biggrin:

Well there is always going to be people that believe he is gay no matter what. Those that try to counter argue the point that he IS gay, can you honestly believe the way he looks at Kate (and I can bring up more instances than one) that he doesn't genuinely have feelings for her in a romantic way? It's true people see what they want to see, but trying to make him gay in your eyes doesn't make him gay in reality. For someone that knows love, I see Jack's love for Kate just by looking at his eyes and the way he looks at Kate. Foxy portrays Jack's torment very well and I give him praise for that. :)

Foxy portrays Jack's torment very well and I give him praise for that. :)

I have to agree that people will have their own opinions about Jack, but no one could argue that Matt doesn't do a great job portraying Jack. :biggrin:

LOL u guys. I don't think Jack's reaction towards Kate makes him gay LOL. But on the other hand, 50 survivors on a deserted island, with 10% world "gay" ratio makes 5 gays on the island... so who knows, there has to be at least one. I thought Boone was, but he died, so, I guess we are not gonna find out anyway. :P A showers scene with Jack and some guy sounds interesting tho :P

oh this thread has made me laught so much!! Now I'm a little behind most people on here with being confined to the E4 shedule but as far as I can see nobody on the island has had sex! so does that make all the single people on the island gay??

In my eyes Jack would never be gay and I don't think any other people on the island are either. Does every new TV show now need a gay character so that they are 'politically correct'?

interesting thought but i just think he isn't that interested in kate because he has so much on his plate. i believe that some men do take their jobs more seriously than sex.. and unfortunately for jack even though he is on a weird island he is still a doctor and he has to worry about everyone surviving not only himself.


Actually, this is entirely possible too! Especially being ACOA (adult child of an alcoholic) and clearly a very detailed, thorough person that he is. He has the tendency to take care of everyone and everything before himself. I don't know if he is gay or not-- it would be a WEIRD plot twist. Totally unexpected for sure. Either way I think we can all agree that he's awesome !!!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

But on the other hand, 50 survivors on a deserted island, with 10% world "gay" ratio makes 5 gays on the island... so who knows, there has to be at least one. A showers scene with Jack and some guy sounds interesting tho :P

I have to agre about the stats. If there are about 50 people that would make sense, but my feeeling is that if there is one there will only be one or two. Who knows maybe it's ana lucia, kate, charlie, or even jack, but I have this nagging suspicion that someone may be...

I feel gayer for reading this thread.

avoiding the obvious reply to the above poster....

avoiding the obvious reply to the above poster....

:shutup:

The case will be closed on this thread the minute we all are shown what happened to Sarah.