Link from another thread, another topic:
http://www.amoneydeal.com/ufo48.html


Coonty Mountain, Utah Project "Beastmaker."

For security reasons, moved from Fort Detrick, Maryland. Genetic manipulations of different animals to be used in warfare. Some failures. Success rate: 14.37% of test subjects perform to ideal.

Best case: 1787-P "Outsider." A killer soldier.

Other: Golden Retrievers with extreme intelligence trained as spies for missions in foreign countries.


There's been discussions about Vincent's mysterious behavior and disappearances...that maybe he is collecting and transporting information to someone, The Others, The Island, etc. I am still hoping we will get a Vincent-centric episode in Season 2. In Season 1, there was the magazine ad that Shannon had on the plane, with the retriever-like dog photo and text referring to "chip", as in microchip, I believe.

Vincent would make a great spy as he's so loveable and many people are attracted to/accepting of dogs and, of course, would
probably not suspect anything of him. Whatever the reason for our lostaways to be on The Island, Vincent would be a great vehicle for covert observation of the goings-on.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Other: Golden Retrievers with extreme intelligence trained as spies for missions in foreign countries.

Do we know how old Vincent is?* How many of the countries that Susan and Bryan lived in, was Vincent in as well?

I think it was somehow insinuated on one of the other boards that perhaps Vincent was going between the lostaways we know and the people in the tail section. And Tiberius did do this post:

21 Speculation / General Theories / Re: Our Thoughts on Tiberius on: June 15, 2005, 02:57:11 PM

Latro Fremo

Two tribes separated
Body from Tail
Linked by one animal
Along a trail
Watching always watching
Day by day
Vincent the mystery
Here to stay.

Tiberrrrius

A "coincidence"...as I was about to start this post, I saw a Google ad on the Threaded PB Index for Kraftworks, *K-9 Training...hmmmm....

Anyway, I wanted to and that someone posted elsewhere about the epi where Locke carved the dog whistle, and blew it a few times to call Vincent (when he was missing), Vincent came out of the jungle and laid down on the beach to await a command. *The poster said that that was a learned behavior from some type of obedience training.

cmcdtv...I don't know how old Vincent is s'posed to be, nor where he's been. *I guess since I'm such an animal lover, I just think it would be cool to get an epi from Vincent's POV. *They could show him reporting to his "boss", turning in info, having his chip scanned, and never actually show who's in control! * :laugh: *No matter how you interpret it, tho, he hasn't exactly been acting like a normal pet dog.

briolette...yeah, I'd forgotten, for the moment, about that. I know it's not an original theory, but I love it and would like to gather any other evidence to support it.

When we do get an EP with Vincent flashback's (and we will) we will get the answers to season one...when we see the flashback's from his perspective we are going to say to ourselves.."oh ..that is why this happened" or .."now I get it"...of course this is not a new theory but what the heck it's summer time with reruns...by the time we see Vincent's flashbacks there will be new mysteries in season 2...and who knows maybe we'll get a flashback of Aaron(voices only of course...while Clair was abducted)OK a little farfetched...Anyway we well get to see moments right before Jack woke up(pilot)...also while Jack , Kate and Charlie were searching for the cockpit, other moments during the crash, the tail survivors and the Others..and when I say the Others I mean just what Vincent observed..I do not believe that Vincent is working with them...

Vincent is the key to all the missing time and realtime(from his perspective) that I can't wait to see...

Vincent had a blue name tag. Keep your eyes open for blue dog op's. :lol2:

Seriously, I love the idea. Last season we heard there was going to be an episode from Vincent's point of view. It obviously never happened, but there's hope. We might even see Vincent in the cargo hold, and what happens in there? :punk:

A "coincidence"...as I was about to start this post, I saw a Google ad on the Threaded PB Index for Kraftworks,* K-9 Training...hmmmm....


It happened again...only the 2nd time I've seen it and only on this thread (must be the keyword "dog" triggering the Google ad)...anyway the link is:

kraftwerkk9.com (http://kraftwerkk9.com)

It's German Shepherds rather than Vincent's breed, and I don't see a connection but just thought it's interesting since Vincent has obviously had some type of training. ETA: there is some interesting info on training and how it continues after transfer of ownership, which is relevant to Vincent transferring from Brian ---> Walt ---> Shannon ---> tail survivors/Island/? ....


Dogs are pack animals. When they are removed from their human pack they will look for a new one to belong to. When the dog transfers his loyalty to the new owners his trained behavior will also transfer.

When we do get an EP with Vincent flashback's (and we will)

Oh, cullmnt...thank you for saying that! Others have said it'll never happen, but I have my hopes up!!! TPTB would miss a great creative opportunity if they don't do it.


we will get the answers to season one...when we see the flashback's from his perspective we are going to say to ourselves.."oh ..that is why this happened" or .."now I get it"...
That's what I'm counting on....


and who knows maybe we'll get a flashback of Aaron(voices only of course...while Clair was abducted)OK a little farfetched...

Hey that would be awesome!


Anyway we well get to see moments right before Jack woke up(pilot)...also while Jack , Kate and Charlie were searching for the cockpit, other moments during the crash, the tail survivors and the Others..and when I say the Others I mean just what Vincent observed..I do not believe that Vincent is working with them...


I hope not...but I do think he is spying or working for someone/something that is spying.

Thanx for the reminder, wif.

Check out my title...I *could* tell you exactly what happened in the hold, but then I would have to............* :lol2:


Your second quote is one of my man's fav. sayings, and he hasn't got me yet. :lol2:

Could you imagine hearing the babies thoughts? Would they be that brave to try it? I hope so!!!!

Your second quote is one of my man's fav. sayings, and he hasn't got me yet. :lol2:

Could you imagine hearing the babies thoughts? Would they be that brave to try it? I hope so!!!!



I can see it now....Charlie and Clair start to have a conversation about the abduction..the camera pans down to Aaron..then FLASHBACK!* It's dark and we hear screaming...the screaming stops and now we hear muffled voices...we can't really make make out what they are saying..."no! we are the survivors of 815 ..no !there were no survivors of 815..OK just kidding!).* Anyway the only thing we can seem to make out from these voices is one word....."Alex"....

Could you imagine hearing the babies thoughts? Would they be that brave to try it? I hope so!!!!


Aaron talking to Claire in thoughts ... ummm .. wait, they already did it in "the 4400" :)

posting on behalf of Punky who couldn't post to this thread:


I posted this on the transhumanism thread the other day
and I tried to post it to your Vincent thread because you had a really good discussion there - but it wouldn't take new posts. Thought you might like it:

Came across something interesting today. Back in 1979, Disney put out a movie "The Black Hole"
Quote:
The Black Hole isn't a typical Disney movie. It's dark and shadowy, with a cast of characters that includes several hundred shrouded, part-human/part-robot slaves with mirror plates for faces. And all the action takes place within spitting distance of a tremendous black hole that ominously churns in the background of many scenes. But alas, The Black Hole is just as incompetent as most other '70s Disney efforts when it comes to telling a story.

The above is from the below link:

http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue08...khole/text.htm (http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue08/reviews/blackhole/text.htm)

The part-human/part-robot characters is not what I found most noteworthy.

A robot is one of the main characters. This robot has a telepathic link to one of the other main characters. Here's the kicker - the robot's name is VINCent - an acronym for Vital Information Necessary CENTralized.

http://orionrobots.co.uk/tiki-index.php?page=VINCENT

Well, thought you might like it.

Regards,
Punky

I love it!!! Thanks, Punky. I just know there's "something" about Vincent. Many have noted that he was the first "person" we saw, after Jack, and Jack is the main character. So that makes Vincent important, even if we don't see him much. And that may be a clue to his importance.

From your links, the robot Vincent:
the robot's name is VINCent - an acronym for Vital Information Necessary CENTralized.

I love that acronym.

He could talk, and understand speech. He seemed to detect human emotions even though he could not complete express or feel his own - however he was not totally without.

If you change the "talk" to "bark", it fits our Vincent! I really hope that he is "special".

Vincent would make a great spy as he's so loveable and many people are attracted to/accepting of dogs and, of course, would
probably not suspect anything of him. Whatever the reason for our lostaways to be on The Island, Vincent would be a great vehicle for covert observation of the goings-on.


Tabby - thanks for posting about VINCent. Don't know why I couldn't - Your original thought highlighted above is what really stood out to me!

I am really surprised no one has posted in here after Sun's abduction last night.

Vincent's appearance shortly before Sun's abduction was curious, no? I know that Charlie abducted her, not an Other, but his little alert to her was interesting. Thoughts?

I am really surprised no one has posted in here after Sun's abduction last night.

Vincent's appearance shortly before Sun's abduction was curious, no? I know that Charlie abducted her, not an Other, but his little alert to her was interesting. Thoughts?
I think Vincent's role is written (like almost everything else in LOST) to be taken in opposite ways...good/bad or spy/helper. He could have been warning Sun of Charlie's approach, yet he didn't stay to protect her. Did he run off to try to scare Charlie away and defend Sun's territory? Was he confused because he knows that Charlie is one of the Losties? If Vincent is able to be manipulated/controlled, are there multiple sets of controllers (people) that are fighting for the controls? I think that Vincent and the Losties are being manipulated/confused/tricked, and that is causing/contributing to bad judgment and behavior.

Vincent led Shannon to Boone's grave and ran off...she followed him, saw Walt/Walt's apparition, and ultimately was killed chasing after him.

Is Vincent trying/being used to help or harm the Losties? Or both (see previous comment)? So many questions...

I thought it was curious and I hate to say this but for the first time watching lost I predicted everything that was going to happen. One of the ways I knew for sure that it was not an other that took sun was actually because of Vincent. The fact that he came and left without acting up made me think immedietly that the person who took her was one of the survivors.

Although I like the ideas here in this thread, I think the reason they put Vincent in that scene was to give us that hint.
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Vincent led Shannon to Boone's grave and ran off...she followed him, saw Walt/Walt's apparition, and ultimately was killed chasing after him.

Is Vincent trying/being used to help or harm the Losties? Or both (see previous comment)? So many questions...

Perhaps the only reason Vincent ran off into the jungle was because he sensed Walt and was going to him. When Walt tried to leave on the raft Vincent tried to get to him. I think whatever Vincents motives are he really likes Walt and perhaps the reason he's been gone is because he's searching for him. Perhaps he was programmed to protect Walt so what happened to Sun was not important to him, he came to her, realized Charlie was coming and just left.

I am really surprised no one has posted in here after Sun's abduction last night.

Vincent's appearance shortly before Sun's abduction was curious, no? I know that Charlie abducted her, not an Other, but his little alert to her was interesting. Thoughts?

Hey Todell! I was all set in my mind to post after the show last night b/c of Vincent being there - but the Charlie factor threw me for a loop! My head is STILL spinning!

I saw on the episode thread last night that someone posted the promo pictures of the Long Con and the abductor really does not look like Charlie. What's up with that?

Was Vincent warning Sun? Why doesn't he bark at her? OK, just caught myself trying to analyze the actions of a dog!!

Can't believe I'm going to do this - but I'm going to rewatch all the episodes yet again & pay attention to what happens before/after a Vincent appearance!