All the passangers of 815 died or lived with recoverable injuries (exception man sucked into engine) and The Marshal
Could a quick thinking con artist have inflicted the shrapnel injury? Then played good guy or what ever putting mask on him

For some reason I doubt that.

I think it would be hard to jam that piece of metal through somebody's body (especially through his shirt and probably his suit jacket as well. It wasn't a pointy piece, it was a long, flat-edged piece that was driven into his body. I won't rule it out, though. If a person wrapped it with a shirt or something, raised it up over their head with both hands, and brought it down with all their force, they might be able to do it.

It was Kate who put the mask on him. Are you suggesting that Kate killed the Marshal by shanking him with a piece of wreckage? That's actually pretty clever.

If she was trying to kill him, she probably would have stuck it in his neck rather than his abdomen. Maybe she was just trying to injure him so that she could escape? :undecided

ETA: While the edge was flat (because they couldn't really stab Fredric Lane with a piece of shrapnel), I think it was intended to be a 90 degree corner that was stabbed about 3 inches into his body. Screencap. (http://www.geocities.com/mcmillerxxx/Lost/marshal_shrapnel.jpg) I think Kate could have done that (physically speaking).

I think it would be hard to jam that piece of metal through somebody's body (especially through his shirt and probably his suit jacket as well. It wasn't a pointy piece, it was a long, flat-edged piece that was driven into his body. I won't rule it out, though. If a person wrapped it with a shirt or something, raised it up over their head with both hands, and brought it down with all their force, they might be able to do it.

It was Kate who put the mask on him. Are you suggesting that Kate killed the Marshal by shanking him with a piece of wreckage? That's actually pretty clever.

If she was trying to kill him, she probably would have stuck it in his neck rather than his abdomen. Maybe she was just trying to injure him so that she could escape? :undecided

ETA: While the edge was flat (because they couldn't really stab Fredric Lane with a piece of shrapnel), I think it was intended to be a 90 degree corner that was stabbed about 3 inches into his body. Screencap. (http://www.geocities.com/mcmillerxxx/Lost/marshal_shrapnel.jpg) I think Kate could have done that (physically speaking).
Kate maybe physically able to do the but from what we've seen she has an adversion to blood. I'f she really wanted to kill him, the neck would have been a better choice. She also had the gun, later on and permission from the Marshal to put him out of his misery. When we first see Kate is isn't near the wreckage, which brings up other questions.

I wouldn't put it past the writer's but my feeling is that Kate didn't do it, but someone might have.

Kate maybe physically able to do the but from what we've seen she has an adversion to blood. I'f she really wanted to kill him, the neck would have been a better choice. She also had the gun, later on and permission from the Marshal to put him out of his misery. When we first see Kate is isn't near the wreckage, which brings up other questions.

I wouldn't put it past the writer's but my feeling is that Kate didn't do it, but someone might have.

I don't think the marshal was seen near the wreckage initially either, but maybe I've overlooked it.

I don't really think she stabbed him either, but it's a neat possibility.

We don't see where the Marshal was found. The first time we see him Jack is already with him.

More about Kate. in Walkabout, when Kate is going to climb the tree to put up the antenna
Michael says something to her about climbing the tree and she says "Don't worry, I've climbed a lot worse."

If she wanted to kill him, then why in the world would she put his oxygen mask on him?

If she wanted to kill him, then why in the world would she put his oxygen mask on him?

Thank you! :biggrin: I don't think Kate is as bad, horrible and evil as she would have us believe, but that's me. :msn-wink: She's my fav character. LOL

In all honesty, I don't think she did shank him. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't she hand-cuffed to the seat? IF she was, how would she have gotten loose to get the piece o' plane without the Marshal catching her? She was in the middle seat and he was on the isle. She would have had to climb over him to get that piece o' plane.

:crazy:Hmmm, thought just came to me...maybe she put the mask on first and then the shankin' happened. Still don't think she shanked him.

Thank you! :biggrin: I don't think Kate is as bad, horrible and evil as she would have us believe, but that's me. :msn-wink: She's my fav character. LOL

In all honesty, I don't think she did shank him. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't she hand-cuffed to the seat? IF she was, how would she have gotten loose to get the piece o' plane without the Marshal catching her? She was in the middle seat and he was on the isle. She would have had to climb over him to get that piece o' plane.

:crazy:Hmmm, thought just came to me...maybe she put the mask on first and then the shankin' happened. Still don't think she shanked him.First off I'm a huge Kate fan. She did get the handcuffs off. She couldn't get the oxygen mask on and gave up and got the keys for the handcuffs out of the Marshal's jacket. Then put the oxygen masks on both of them.

Kate would be capable of doing something like stabbing the Marshal but not when he was unconsious. She'd do it in a fight. Also, in the end, the Marshal sought comfort from Kate, he wanted her to end his pain, she couldn't do it.

I believe there is a strong emotional past between Kate and the Marshal. The flip side of love is hate and I believe the Marshal loved Kate at one time.

I'm gonna stretch to what I want, I think they were partners and she screwed up ha ha

I think that might be taking it a little too far. Perhaps they were romantically involved at one time, but it seems more likely that she was putting his own needs before hers with the oxygen mask.

Kate seems to have an aversion to seeing people in pain. Watch her reactions in other episodes whenever anyone is injured. She turns away quickly..and usually has to be talked into or shouted at to act. Contrast and compare her and Sun's reaction to Boone's injuries.

However at the same time she seems to have no qualms at inflicting pain when she has to...witness the men in the bank robbery.

Its an mystery wrapped in an enigma.

Totally agree^^^^^^ about her reactions to people's injuries. However, she is a survivor. I mean that as in yea she'll inflict pain if it's going to help save her, but yet she has a heart. I mean she even made sure the guy who ratted her out was going to get his 23,000. I don't think she likes seeing people in pain, and she probably does not like blood ha ha. Does not mean that she will not do what a lot will do when they themselves feel in danger. JMO

It seems throughout Kate's life, including on the island, she always does what is necessary for her to survive, even if it might cause her more pain.

I think the more we find out about Kate's youth, the more we'll know about her crimes. Or at least how they started. I remember in season 1 Kate met with Tom, they went and dug up an old time capsule that they had buried as children. The contents included a cassette tape the two made before they buried the capsule. Tom tells Kate on the tape that they marry and have nine children. Kate says that she wants to run away, Tom says that Kate always wants to run away. Then we see Kate meeting with her "mom", be it her natural mother or step mother. Upon realizing who Kate is, the "mother" begins to call for help. What would make her call for help? I am thinking perhaps Kate had real troubles with her father, or step father. Some type of abuse, molestation, all to which may have led to her maybe killing the man. Just speculation, but I have always wondered to what degree a crime she would have committed that would make her mother so terrified of her.

I would rather see Jack and Kate together, versus Sawyer and Kate. Just my two cents :)

Kate's childhood is pretty important and we need to learn more about it. As we have seen in all of the character's stories, their experiences on the island are often shaped by events in their childhood.

I think the more we find out about Kate's youth, the more we'll know about her crimes. Or at least how they started. I remember in season 1 Kate met with Tom, they went and dug up an old time capsule that they had buried as children. The contents included a cassette tape the two made before they buried the capsule. Tom tells Kate on the tape that they marry and have nine children. Kate says that she wants to run away, Tom says that Kate always wants to run away. Then we see Kate meeting with her "mom", be it her natural mother or step mother. Upon realizing who Kate is, the "mother" begins to call for help. What would make her call for help? I am thinking perhaps Kate had real troubles with her father, or step father. Some type of abuse, molestation, all to which may have led to her maybe killing the man. Just speculation, but I have always wondered to what degree a crime she would have committed that would make her mother so terrified of her.

I would rather see Jack and Kate together, versus Sawyer and Kate. Just my two cents :)http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=15069 You might like to read this thread it is a pretty detailed account of information that we have about Kate and is put into a theory about her.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=15069 You might like to read this thread it is a pretty detailed account of information that we have about Kate and is put into a theory about her.

I love that theory behind her character. I still think that it is something other than a mercy killing. I think that there was something that she had to stop, a monster of sorts, dating back to her childhood days. With her mother's reaction in the hospital, I am theorizing a father (or step father for that matter) that was just too close to his daughter.

I think Evangeline Lilly fits this part wonderfully, I hope her career after Lost takes off.

Again, very intuitive and well thought out on the juice poisoning theory.

It would certainly make sense that Kate had some type of unusual relationship with her parents, as Locke and other characters have illustrated.