So I watched Raised By Another tonight and of course at the end it is sort of figured upon that the psychic probably knew the plane was going to crash - actually I know he did, you can just tell by the look on his face.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else thought that he knows where it crashed and that maybe if they ever have any hope of being rescued it will be from him and his information?

I was also thinking - how could he know Claire's baby would be this bad person or have all this danger around it - if her future was actually on the island with the baby. There are certainly aspects of determinism in the show, and determinism cannot be changed, there is no choice. Like, when Claire went to sign the adoption papers, the pens weren't working - that could be because she was meant to be on the island. Locke obviously believes he was meant to be (and everyone else was meant to be) on the island. So, if Claire's future (and her baby's) was that of the island - is it possible the psychic saw the future wrong, and the child actually does end up bad or dangerous because Claire may die on the island, leaving the child to be raised by everyone else, or the others? Did that make sense? lol.

Yes you made sense. :biggrin: I don't think the psychic saw the future wrong though.

I think he saw chaos that he could not really clarify. I believe he saw that Claire would end up not wanting to give the baby away once she was in different surroundings.

Thus, he made up the story about the adoptive couple in LA. I don't believe they ever existed. It was simply a ruse to get Claire out of her rut in Australia. Time to cool off and rethink things. I think he saw putting her on that plane as a way of accomplishing that.

I don't think he saw the Island. He just saw *put her on a plane and she will end up wanting to keep her baby. she will raise it and all will be well*.

But of course, the plane crashed.

At any rate, if the baby is going to be raised by her and good and well, then the whole psychic thing was an awfully convoluted way just to get a pregnant woman on a plane. (story wise)

So, we are left with 2 options IMO. Either the psychic plot line was a simple plot devise to get Claire on the plane ... or Claire has to die (or at the very least lapse into a coma) so Aaron can turn into an evil entity, as foretold by the psychic. Of course that doesn't have to mean she will be leaving any time soon. That could be something that doesn't play out til season 4. Who knows? :confused:

Not me, that's for sure. :)

Well, I actually think he knew the plane would crash - I think he saw that as the only way of getting her alone with her kid. Just by the look in his eyes when he gave her the tickets - it looked like he knew he felt bad in a way, like, I feel bad for sending this woman into a plane crash, but it is for the "greater good". I'm not so sure that it has to mean Claire needs to die so the baby can be evil, I was just thinking that maybe it was possible that when he did see the baby evil it was on the island, he just didn't know it. Then again, he could of seen it say, in the United States, and sent them to the island so he wouldn't be raised without her and the kid will never turn out evil. I was just thinking of another possibility. But I do think he knew the plane was going to crash and thought it was the only way to keep her alone with the kid - and for him to do that, I think the kid was definitely going to do some damage, I just wonder what!?

Another possibility would be that he was in on it and the whole story was a cover to get her to the island. Or he could have really saw something but didn’t understand it, he thought he was saving her but in actuality it was his actions that lead them to a path of "danger”. Almost like a Greek myth, I think it was Othello that tried to escape his fate but as a result of his leaving, he meets his mother, etc, etc and then blinds himself, he couldn’t stop his fate. Maybe the same thing happened here.

Yeah.

I don't think the psychic is "in on it" (if there is a conspiracy). He seemed very genuine, and I think after watching back over other episodes on the dvd, there are at least half of our survivors who possess some sort of psychic element, or at least seem like they could. Locke, Walt and Claire definitely seem like they have some telepathy powers, and I think Shannon might as well.

Another possibility would be that he was in on it and the whole story was a cover to get her to the island. Or he could have really saw something but didn’t understand it, he thought he was saving her but in actuality it was his actions that lead them to a path of "danger”. Almost like a Greek myth, I think it was Othello that tried to escape his fate but as a result of his leaving, he meets his mother, etc, etc and then blinds himself, he couldn’t stop his fate. Maybe the same thing happened here.


so he sent the non-ink pens to the office so claire couldnt sign the adoption papers?

He did stress to her that getting on that particular plane was very important so it's obvious he knew something about the plane. Probably did a reading for a different passenger. Maybe the marshall was using a psychic to help him find Kate.

so he sent the non-ink pens to the office so claire couldnt sign the adoption papers?

Maybe, that could have been his little way of tricking Clair into thinking that higher powers were involved. Of it could have been higher powers, if it was her fate to end up on this island then that could have been part of "fates" plan or it could have been a giant coincedence that lead her on her path, which could also be called fate or bad luck. i guess it could have been alot of things and I was stating some possiblities.