I just happened to notice this. While Desmond is cleaning up his kitchen area there is a backgammon board and pieces layed out on the table. Interesting.

It's all in the details, you've gotta love them for that.

Its funny that you bring the backgammon board up, having just watched the season one again and wathcing this episode, it all seems a little game like. The flashing icon on the computer screen is like an 80's text adventure game, and Locke seems to not take anything serious as threatneing him. He is willing to sacrifice people (Boone) like they were pieces on a board game. And we all know Locke likes board games. And the way he approaches the hatch with no fear, it could be faith, or it could a be calculation on his part (everything he does and says after they blow open the hatch manipulates Kate into coming). This is all a little rambly, hope you guys can pick up on what I'm trying to say. There is just a lot of instances where games are eluded to in the show.

i agree about the game aspect of locke. jack asked him at one point if he liked games, and locke said absolutely. Its the fine line that locke is walking between faith and lunacy. is it all connected, or is it just coincidence? were they put there for a reason, or was it just a freak occurence? for my part, i do think there is a reason, but it may not be what locke thinks (if he does think anything).

finally, lets think about the point of backgammon. the purpose is to move all the pieces off the board. is there a corollary to lost? is someone moving all of them off the board? is the island "off the board? is the hatch off the board? is the grave "off the board"?

actually thought of something else: in backgammon, your pieces are only "safe" when they are off the board. bodes well, dont it?

It looks like Go to me, not backgammon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game)

Black and white stones...it still fits. It looks like a freshly started game of Go.

There was a refernece to the game GO on that new show Criminal Minds last night. They talked about how it is the single most difficult board game ever made. I believe they said that back in acient china or somewhere, where it originated the king would make all of his generals in his army learn the game. GO is all about stradegy. They acctually profiled the killer based on the way he played the game GO, as an extreme aggressor, I wonder how Desmond plays.

Anyone ever see the movie 'Pi' ?
Theres a chinese game they play in that movie that is similar to 'Go' but its not...
hold on, going to look it up...

Okay- they ARE playing 'Go' in the movie Pi.
Here's an interesting little article about the game, especially in relation to that movie. (Which has a lot to do with numbers, religion, and government secret type stuff.. EXCELLENT movie!)
http://www.pithemovie.com/go.html

That is one club I will probably never join.

I think also another obvious thing that this points to is that you have to have at least 2 people to play a game... unless Desmond's gone a little wonky down there in the hatch by himself and plays against himself.

Where's his roommate, folks?

There is the bunk beds (two people), there could be someone else, maybe Ethan was with Desmond and not the others, so now there's only one person down the hatch. Fails to explain the lack of ladder leading out unless Desmond cut it after Ethan died, which doesn't explain the Quarantine on the inside. What a complicated show, eh?

All of the talk about games....
What if this is all a "game" that Locke set up for himself to play since they wouldn't let him go on the Walkabout?

And....are the white and black stones that Adam and Eve had from the game that Desmond has in the hatch?

This show blows my mind. There are so many questions.

there are definitely two people stationed down there, if not more. i think we may be seeing inside two different hatches.

i went nuts last night and made some notes on the first scene in the hatch. gonna do the same for when jack goes down there when i get home tonight. check it out, let me know what you think...

http://foureightfifteensixteen2342.blogspot.com/

Something I was thinking is, Desmond is still sleeping on the top bunk, maybe he doesn't know what has happened to his ol buddy Ethan, maybe he is sleeping up top because he still expects a return of Ethan to there hatch suite.

I think I'm probably the only one on this board that thinks Ethan didnt live in the hatch.

i'm with you. at least not in that hatchy hole.

there are definitely two people stationed down there, if not more. i think we may be seeing inside two different hatches.

i went nuts last night and made some notes on the first scene in the hatch. gonna do the same for when jack goes down there when i get home tonight. check it out, let me know what you think...

http://foureightfifteensixteen2342.blogspot.com/


What are you saying with the hair colors, do you think there is 2 different people down there right now and in that seen did it show 2 different people?

it could be...
i'm just pointing out what i saw. with the mirror images and subtle differences (the hair) i think we're either looking at two different people (not in the same hatch though), or the way desmond sees himself is altered by the injection he has to take every day, and the place is really run down (along with him)

i'll have more theories once i explore the jack scene down there, i'm sure ;-)

Do those game pieces look like the what the cave bodies had on them? I can't remember.

I still feel there is a time displacement aspect to the show that is not clear yet, and I wonder if Rouseau and Desmond are not somehow the people found in the cave. Just an early unfounded thinking out loud kind of idea. :)

The producers have promised 'This season is just going to be wierd" but I'll tell ya, based on the premier, and getting us over the "what's in the hatch" hump, I feel great about the new direction. Answers some questions, adds new ones, just like I was hoping!! :)

Njc---------------------------

The only problem with the whole 'not the same hatch/not the same person theory" is that what startles the person is the dynamite blowing up the hatch... Now unless there is another group of starnded people blowing up hatches, I would think they are the same person and same hatch.

I personally think the hatch is going to be pivotal but not as pivotal as everyone thinks. Half the main characters are down there in the first episode. Whatever that is will be resolved soon, there is 23 more episodes left this season.

there is 23 more episodes left this season.

And I'm gonna love every last one. :biggrin:

It looks like Go to me, not backgammon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(board_game)

Black and white stones...it still fits. It looks like a freshly started game of Go.

Oh you were so close but this what I have uncovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pente which is played on a "go" board. How did I find out well when looking at the http://www.driveshaftband.com/driveSHAFTMusic2.htm web site look at Charlies final Solo album title "Pente", 5 songs on the album, 5th song "Deus ex Machina" which is the tittle of Season 1 ep 19. A go board is 19x19.

I am onto a new number "5" (I'm sure not the only one). Lots of references to 5 that no-one is really discussing because of the other numbers, espeacially "23" which is the 5th number and 2+3= 5.

Oh you were so close but this what I have uncovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pente which is played on a "go" board. How did I find out well when looking at the http://www.driveshaftband.com/driveSHAFTMusic2.htm web site look at Charlies final Solo album title "Pente", 5 songs on the album, 5th song "Deus ex Machina" which is the tittle of Season 1 ep 19. A go board is 19x19.

I am onto a new number "5" (I'm sure not the only one). Lots of references to 5 that no-one is really discussing because of the other numbers, espeacially "23" which is the 5th number and 2+3= 5.

This does work, but the Driveshaft site is a fan's site, so all those albums were created separately from the show's storyline. Pente might very well be the game they were playing, but I'd have to find a better reference than that site. They have produced some inaccurate information before about the seating and, if I can find it, one of the threads on here in the VIP section says that driveshaft's website has no connection to the creators of the show.

Oh, and Pente is also "5" in greek =]

there are definitely two people stationed down there, if not more. i think we may be seeing inside two different hatches.

i went nuts last night and made some notes on the first scene in the hatch. gonna do the same for when jack goes down there when i get home tonight. check it out, let me know what you think...

http://foureightfifteensixteen2342.blogspot.com/

Very interesting observations, especially noticing the table cleared and all the opposites. This show ROCKS

And to answer the question, Donnie Darko is the movie that had one action changing everything else. It was the time traveling device (the plane) going through the portal that set time back without Donnie having lived through the accident. Good observations!

This does work, but the Driveshaft site is a fan's site, so all those albums were created separately from the show's storyline. Pente might very well be the game they were playing, but I'd have to find a better reference than that site. They have produced some inaccurate information before about the seating and, if I can find it, one of the threads on here in the VIP section says that driveshaft's website has no connection to the creators of the show.

Oh, and Pente is also "5" in greek =]

sorry didn't know that but you are correct Pente is 5 in greek, What's the numer in Jacks tattoo? 5 is also on the new mural along with 108.

I also find it funny that the first driveshaft album cover has a big blue arrow on it kind of like whats on the mural.

i didn't see 5 on the new mural anywhere... i see 108 and 42. Yeah I saw the criminal minds show last night... thought it was trying too hard... black and white seems to be a big theme throughout the entire show.. the black and white rocks that jack found in the cave... the backgammon board that locke's been playing with... i gotta try playing that Go game...

And to answer the question, Donnie Darko is the movie that had one action changing everything else. It was the time traveling device (the plane) going through the portal that set time back without Donnie having lived through the accident. Good observations!

thanks... i'm pretty sure that's what i'm thinking of, but i still have this feeling (kind of tip of my tongue-like) that there's something else even more similar...

The butterfly effect.. not donnie darko

What I mentioned does happen in Donnie Darko, but the similarity that lockeseviltwin is talking about may be speaking of Butterfly Effect since changing the past changes the present and future as well...

The butterfly effect.. not donnie darko

i'm definitely not thinking of the butterfly effect.
it's a certain point in a movie where the perception of reality of the main character changes, and it happens in the blink of an eye, perhaps literally...
the director and others have pointed out that thats the point where it happens.
80% chance its darko ;-)