I just finished carefully watching both parts of the pilot. Actually, this was my first time watching the entire thing, since, as I stated in a prior post, I decided that the series was good AFTER everything had already aired.

I noticed several things in there, some of which haven't been mentioned before. I'm just throwing these things out there, for everyone to gnaw on. Except for just a couple of them, I'm not really trying to conclude anything. Some of these may have been mentioned before, & I don't mean to repeat, so I'll keep them short.

Some things just stood out, but may have nothing to do with the plot. They are in no particular order:

1. Jack pours a small bottle of alcohol, let's say whiskey, onto the wound on his back. Later on, during the flashback, it is clear that he emptied the ENTIRE CONTENT into the glass & drank it. As he was moving towards the black lady, he clearly puts the empty bottle into the now empty glass, & either folds it up in the seat-back tray, or lays it in his seat. He doesn't appear to put it in his jacket pocket.
WHERE DID THE WHISKEY COME FROM?? Matter-of-fact, how did the bottle even get in his pocket??

2. Two things about Charley on the plane. 1st, he went WAY forward or backward to the bathroom. I counted at least 3 bulkheads he went through. I heard somewhere this may be a 777. Somebody could look that up & see how many bulkheads they are & estimate where exactly he was when he restrapped his seat-belt before the explosion. I feel like he was so far forward that he SHOULDN'T have been in the piece of fuselage wreckage on the beach.
Second thing, like Jack & his whiskey bottle, Charley clearly took ALL of the dope out of his shoe, snorting some, then dropped it in the toilet. Then he hit the ceiling & just a couple seconds later was exiting the bathroom.
HE DIDN'T RETRIEVE THE DOPE!! So, how does he wind up with some on the island??

3. The camera stayed on a white shoe, hung in a bush, near where Jack landed. Just a shoe in a tree?? Or some type of clue??

4. I don't hear anything mechnical with the monster itself, but perhaps some in the background. However, I DO hear the same identical grunts, breathing, & "bugle" sound when the monster first shakes the trees, when it pulls the pilot out, & when it's laying on the ground dieing. The pilot's monster was definitely not a snake. The sounds were too wrong. It sounded like the bear.
Only thing that I hear that shouldn't be there is some VERY heavy footsteps. The bear would not have made this loud of a noise, however, a BIGGER bear may have.
Here, I have a theory. The monster is simply a free roaming bear, much bigger than the one killed. (Following is actually in a later episode) Later on, when Locke sees it, he is looking WAY up. Something HUGE is in front of him. I believe that he was so awed by it's size, that he won't tell the other survivers what it is, for fear that they will hunt & kill it.
Why it didn't kill Locke, I don't know.

5. The "thing" that hit the engine was just debris. It's flying all over the place during this scene. The guy that got sucked in caused it to explode. BUT....why is the engine even running for the several minutes before it explodes?? Any pilots here?? I would assume that this large of engine uses several gallons of fuel per minute. I don't believe that in a crash this severe, the engines would have enough fuel left in the tanks in the wings to run this long.
Most likely, the engines would have died on the way down & the fuel tanks would have ruptured also, spilling all but just a small amount. Perhaps this is just "artistic license" allowing the dramatic "man getting sucked in" scene.

6. What was up with the dog watching the 3 people going to look for the cockpit?? That was actually spooky the way the camera focused on him. May mean something...may not.

7. A wild one, but is Jack involved in what's happening on the island somehow?? Him hallucinating seems to show that he is just as lost as the rest, but his statement about how he didn't see the monster that was right behind him, because he dived into some bushes, sounded very lame & made-up.
His remark to the black guy about how, "I have no idea.", sounded equally lame.

8. And the last one is one that I need someone to help me investigate. DID KATE SEE THE MONSTER?? When she is hiding in the roots, during the rain-storm, during the very last seconds before Charley scares her, she is looking out in the jungle.
The first scene it shows is pretty clear...nothing there but trees. HOWEVER, the last scene is very foggy & hazy, but it appears that something is moving right out there at the limit of vision. The look on her face shows this also.
Somebody that is good with enhancing pictures may could see if anything is actually there, or if it's just trees swaying in the rain.

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Comments welcome...good, bad, or indifferent. I'll be posting a similiar thread in each of the episode sections, if I find something that I feel hasn't been posted before. Just bringing up some stuff for us to work on.

1. Jack was given two mini-bottles of alcohol. One he drank and the other he put in his pocket.

2. From how the episode was cut, it does appear that Charlie would have been in the first section of the plane instead of the second section (the part that landed on the beach). But that could just be our perception of how much time Charlie had to run back to his seat.

Charlie got back his drugs when he went with Kate and Jack to find the transceiver. Charlie disappears into the bathroom for a while and recovers his stash.

Yeah, I didn't catch that about Charley getting the drugs out of the bathroom. It didn't quite register to me why he went in there, but now it's obvious. Your answer to the 2 whiskey bottles is probaly right too. I just don't remember seeing the stewardess give him 2.

3. I believe that shoe was Walt's. Perhaps I'm wrong, but some reason I remember seeing him without a shoe or hearing him talk about it... I don't remember exactly.

6. There are theories that the dog is the 'island god.' I thought the closeup was creepy too. lol I dunno if it means something, but it might.

Actually Jack has even more when he's finished searching the plane. Watch episode 3 when he's pulling the shrapnel out of the Marshall.

Btw the reason why no one has posted much about the first few episodes is because it never really kicked off till the later ones.

The shoe on the tree is just a shoe on the tree. What clue are you looking for? I think people are looking too deeply into this show. I do I must admit, but a shoe on a tree? Get out of town! :D

All that I'm doing is tossing out some of the things that didn't have perfectly obvious explanations. Along with these, plus what others have noticed that I missed, it might light a spark in someone's mind & lead us to an explanation. That is the only way to get there, other than sitting around & waiting for the rest of the show to come along.

Every single thing in the show COULD be explained as, "is just a (enter explanation here)". Going that route, & closing our imagination & our collective brainstorming off, NO ONE will ever figure it out.

The cable is simply a piece of trash left over from WWII, & has no significance.

The Black Rock is only referring to the color of a nearby volcanic outcropping.

That's not Locke, it's his twin brother, because Locke is actually paralyzed.

The French message was just a "normal" transmission from a satellite, & doesn't have anything to do with the island.

And the thing shaking the trees is just the wind, since we've never saw anything doing it.

See what I mean. I throwed the shoe in there because the camera focused on it. Maybe it's a clue, maybe it's nothing. It's probaly the latter, but can you show me in the plot where it states that?? :) :) :)

There is an in joke about children's shoes in that everytime there's an accident the camera always focuses on a childs shoe.

For an example Mad Max when his kid is run over, to emphasise(sp?) the death , they show a childs shoe.

The tight shot of a chlids shoe has been used in so many films that one show parodied it. They said something like close in on the child's shoe, they like that.

A shoe on a tree means exactly that. A shoe on a tree. Just like there are trees on the island. People were quick to assume Sawyer would not be on the manifest and he was. I think we're looking into this too deeply.

We have in essence become one of the Lost, because we're just as paranoid as they are. In that there are struggles between each other due to ignorance of the truth.

I'm sure we'll find out about the cable sooner or later, but at the moment it's just a cable.

If you were lost on an island and you came across a large black rock, you wouldn't call it Dave or a volcanic outcropping. It's not a volcano, unless we see it as a volcano. Just because the map shows a round-ish structure does not immediately mean a volcano. Have you considered a meteor crater and the black rock is the remains of it?

As for Locke people can't believe Locke is good because of the tight camera angles on his face and then another he is bathed in fire as he smiles or smirks.

A lot of these speculations about the show are imaginative, nothing wrong with that, but you're just repeating what everyone else knows.

Actually the people who do have it fugured out are the creators. ;)

The camera focuses in on everything, but that doesn't mean it's a clue, just observation. Anyone seen Ultimate Muscle where the fighters a giant shoe? Maybe that's what was rampaging through the jungle, looking for Ultimate Muscle so he could sing the rice song. ;) ;D

Actually, I'm trying to help piece together the puzzle rather than sit back & wait for next year, as are most of the people on this board. If we are all wrong, if the theories that we are tossing out are all trivial & have no actual meaning, then please share with us what the script & the plot really is. A bunch of people would like to know how you know what means what & what means nothing in this series.

I watch shows like this for many purposes, but one of the main reasons is that I like using my imagination & solving mysterys. I'm an active person & I'm not content to sit inside by the fireplace & wait on next season to show me what the cable means, or the monster, or the black rock, or the french woman. I'm pretty sure most of the people on this board are the same. Take a look at the "theorys" section & see how many posts per day are made there. And few of them include the phrase, "Let's just wait till next season & see."

If you are content letting the show determine when & whether you use your imagination & problem-solving skills, that's fine. That's just not me.

Maybe Jack saw the "monster" (remember - there are no such things as monsters, per Danielle ::)) but thought it was so terrifying that he didn't want to panic the others?

Er you have no choice in waiting till next year.

No one is sitting by the side. We all have to wait.

You still won't know what the cable is or the monster, or the black rock, or the french woman is until next year...maybe not. Just because you speculate does not make it absolute.

I was merely trying to say that people have already mentioned what you have in other posts and all we're doing in repeating ourselves.

hmm I guess I'm wrong then. :lol2: I must've been imagining things when I thought Walt was missing a shoe....

Could have been. The slightest thing COULD be a clue. Far as I know, nobody on this board has actually read the script. Little stuff like that makes for an interesting board. I definitely wouldn't be here wasteing any time if everybody just decided to talk about the bad weather, while waiting for next season.

On a side-note, when Jack saw his dad?? in the green bushes & reached out to touch him, dad had on bright, white shoes....suspiciosly like the one hanging in the tree. ??? ??? ???

whoa, really? I didn't notice...

I thought at first it was one white sock but after watching and pausing I think it is.....

One black shoe and one white shoe! OMG! How did we miss that?!

2. Two things about Charley on the plane. 1st, he went WAY forward or backward to the bathroom. I counted at least 3 bulkheads he went through. I heard somewhere this may be a 777. Somebody could look that up & see how many bulkheads they are & estimate where exactly he was when he restrapped his seat-belt before the explosion. I feel like he was so far forward that he SHOULDN'T have been in the piece of fuselage wreckage on the beach.
Second thing, like Jack & his whiskey bottle, Charley clearly took ALL of the dope out of his shoe, snorting some, then dropped it in the toilet. Then he hit the ceiling & just a couple seconds later was exiting the bathroom.
HE DIDN'T RETRIEVE THE DOPE!! So, how does he wind up with some on the island??

4. I don't hear anything mechnical with the monster itself, but perhaps some in the background. However, I DO hear the same identical grunts, breathing, & "bugle" sound when the monster first shakes the trees, when it pulls the pilot out, & when it's laying on the ground dieing. The pilot's monster was definitely not a snake. The sounds were too wrong. It sounded like the bear.
Only thing that I hear that shouldn't be there is some VERY heavy footsteps. The bear would not have made this loud of a noise, however, a BIGGER bear may have.
Here, I have a theory. The monster is simply a free roaming bear, much bigger than the one killed. (Following is actually in a later episode) Later on, when Locke sees it, he is looking WAY up. Something HUGE is in front of him. I believe that he was so awed by it's size, that he won't tell the other survivers what it is, for fear that they will hunt & kill it.
Why it didn't kill Locke, I don't know.



Charley went WAY forward on the plane. His seat was apparently 68G (according to the band's website). While I can't find any plane with a seating configuration that includes 68 rows, he is undoubtedly at the back of the plane. Also, remember that he went to the front of the plane with Jack and Kate where he retreived his drugs from the bathroom.

Re: the monster. At the end of the Pilot, I was thinking that the metallic noises sounded like portions of the plane settling out of the trees. As if they were supported or an end (like the cockpit) was suspended in the air by the tree branches and the branches finally gave way. However, there were an awful lot of trees moving for that to happen.

Re: the monster and Locke. Kate saw movement in the trees and mumbled something like 'Oh no Locke'. Later she told Jack that Locke was gone, the monster got him. However, Locke hasn't mentioned anything and we never saw the monster. Is it possible that Locke wasn't looking at the monster at all. Instead he was looking at something in the trees or in the distance.

aaarrrgggghhh

Well was about to post, but Sabrina beat me to it.

Some people like to think about the things going on. If you don't, why are you here? More importantly, why are you reading about reflections on the Pilot episode, if you think that reflecting on said episode and what it could mean is pointless?

I realize that you have a right to read and post to whichever posts you wish, and I respect that right. However, doing so just to squash people's ideas, when you yourself don't know any more than they do... that just doesn't make much sense. Please, let's just all try and debate things civilly and attempt to not talk down to people.

I knew that was coming... 8) 8) 8)

Thanks for agreeing with me, both of ya, about exactly WHY we are on this site posting & discussing these ideas. :) :) :)

Charley went WAY forward on the plane.* His seat was apparently 68G (according to the band's website).* While I can't find any plane with a seating configuration that includes 68 rows, he is undoubtedly at the back of the plane.* Also, remember that he went to the front of the plane with Jack and Kate where he retreived his drugs from the bathroom.

The bands website is just made up of some show fans from my understanding so is not to be taken as gospel.* Charlie wasnt at the back of the plane as you see him turn to look at the Flight Attended you see there is a whole other section which is the coach section. Also, if you watch Charlie's plane flashback, you can see that when he gets up to go to the bathroom and rushes up the aisle past Jack, you can actually see that he was originally in the same section as Jack.* Charlie was located in the second last row of that section of the plane and Jack was in the second row of that section and when Jack stands up to move you see that the row number he is in is Row 23, so there is no way that Charlie's seat was 68G.* *And there appears to be three seperate 'sections' of business class.* The last section had Jack, Locke, Rose, Charlie and Kate.* The second section we dont really get to see to much of as Charlie runs past, and the first section which we see Boone and Shannon in.* Then there is the first class section which had the closed curtains that Charlie passes through.* This is the smallest section and although we dont see Charlie crawl all the way through the aisle we do see him pass a curtain again, showing that he did in fact crawl out of first class and back into the section that had Boone and Shannon in it. There were 5 sections to the plane Coach, Business #3, Business #2, Business #1, and First Class.

I'm sorry to go off-topic, "Chain" but I have to tell "Reign" how much I love that avatar! ....'it's a boy'.... :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Anyway, I was also going to post about the fact that there are over 2,000 members now, and a large part of their online time is spent in speculating, and if you look up 'certain people's' posts, you'll see that they aren't above a bit of speculatin' themselves. I would chalk it up to not enough pumpkin pie over the holidays.

4. I don't hear anything mechnical with the monster itself, but perhaps some in the background. However, I DO hear the same identical grunts, breathing, & "bugle" sound when the monster first shakes the trees, when it pulls the pilot out, & when it's laying on the ground dieing. The pilot's monster was definitely not a snake. The sounds were too wrong. It sounded like the bear.
Only thing that I hear that shouldn't be there is some VERY heavy footsteps. The bear would not have made this loud of a noise, however, a BIGGER bear may have.
Here, I have a theory. The monster is simply a free roaming bear, much bigger than the one killed. (Following is actually in a later episode) Later on, when Locke sees it, he is looking WAY up. Something HUGE is in front of him. I believe that he was so awed by it's size, that he won't tell the other survivers what it is, for fear that they will hunt & kill it.
Why it didn't kill Locke, I don't know.


Don't forget, Rose said the next morning that the "monster" noise reminder her of noise from home. Someone asked where she was from and Rose said the Bronx. Not too many large bears roaming the streets of the Bronx. I think Rose was referring to the mechanical sound to the noise. She may be referring to the elevated train or perhaps some type of construction noise.

As for Locke seeing the "monster", I don't think he is trying to protect the "monster" from the rest. Rather, I think he is trying to keep it his own personal secret. He doesn't want to share (obviously got bad marks in Kindergarten for not sharing ;)).


I thought at first it was one white sock but after watching and pausing I think it is.....

One black shoe and one white shoe! OMG! How did we miss that?!


Robin - is it really one black and one white shoe on Jack's Dad? I did notice the father wearing white shoes, but I thought it was 2 (which is odd, in and of itself since he is wearing a business suit).

And, on a supportive note - offamychain, you keep posting your questions and theories. If someone has already read/posted similar thoughts and doesn't want to relive that particular thought, then they just need to move on to some other topic. First, I'm relatively new to this board, so I enjoy reading new posts that I can respond to. Second, even during a rehash (and a reheated rehash!) some new ideas, thoughts, theories, wild speculations or observations come out.

Honbun- I watched the ep again (yeah, no life) and in one scene when we see dad from a distance and from the side walking into the bushes he does have 2 white shoes.

When Jack finally catches up to him and before he makes him turn around it looks like the left foot is dark and the right is white. I suppose it could be the missing sneaker in the tree (which looks a little small to me) and one dark sock. But that would be wierd too. Maybe the left foot could be blocked by foliage?

My head hurts again. :-[

Maybe Lockes keeping the island 'monster' a secret because the island gave him something, he's just repaying the debt.

Terry was told that what he was looking at was beautiful (he needed motivation). But there again beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Maybe Lockes keeping the island 'monster' a secret because the island gave him something, he's just repaying the debt.

Terry was told that what he was looking at was beautiful (he needed motivation).* But there again beauty is in the eye of the beholder.*


Locke looked into the eye, the eye is known to access the soul, so he could have been looking at the "soul", the beauty of the island, and for him it is a new beginning, or it could have been a tall invisible rabbit named Harvey.

Point #8* *I just re-watched the pilot episodes and i saw "something" too!* it did not strike me as a monster, but rather it appeared to be a man to me.* as you said..it was right before charlie came up to Kate in the woods.* unfortunately, i was watching an mpg of the pilot i downloaded which was not a very good copy.* i will try to find a better copy and have another look.*

when we hear the "security system" before it takes the pilot, there were groans, like rusty metal and the same ratcheting sound that we heard in exidous.

and rose didn't have her husbands ring on her neckless when she was on the plane.

it still seems to me the trees around the "secruity system" seem to be pulled underground, they seem to disapear down. maybe it's a big gopher.

I too thought the first sighting of vincent, eyes peering out at jack, kate and charlie were ominious.

it does seem to rain everytime someone enters the "dark teriority" or the part of the island where the security system is.

I too thought the first sighting of vincent, eyes peering out at jack, kate and charlie were ominious.


The first sighting of Vincent was when Jack woke up after the crash. Vincent was there looking at him and then ran off.

~Amy

i taped the show but did watch until the first commercial break...and it's amazing the things i picked up in those 15 minutes that i didnt, of course, the first time i saw it.

the #s:
The #5 on Jack's shoulder tattoo
Jack says that he allows himself 5 seconds to be scared
He tells kate he was operating on a 16-year-old girl
I believed I counted 8 pens in Boone's hand when he handed them to jack

Kate:
Also, after Jack's operation tale, Kate says if that was her she would have "run away"
Jack says, "You're not running now"

and that was just in the first 15 minutes!


will watch again to look for other small details

On the web site television without pity they refer to the dog as Vincent the-shifty-eyed-dog. :lol2:

What I realized in watching the pilot again was that Kate mentions seeing smoke when Jack talks about finding the front of the plane.

Could the smoke have been the first sign of the Others rather than the nose. The nose end wasn't smoking when they found it.

On the web site television without pity they refer to the dog as Vincent the-shifty-eyed-dog. :lol2:

What I realized in watching the pilot again was that Kate mentions seeing smoke when Jack talks about finding the front of the plane.

Could the smoke have been the first sign of the Others rather than the nose. The nose end wasn't smoking when they found it.


I thought the same thing!! Smoke wasn't important the first times I watched this - but after the big deal with the columns of smoke in Exodus, that was the first thing that popped in my mind last night.

Also, the girl that was 16, made me think of Alex (though it couldn't have been her) wondered if it was foreshadowing of Danielle's child and the 16 years.

As for the five on the tattoo, that's actually Matthew Fox's tattoo - from his Party of Five days. I wondered if the writers wrote in the "five second rule" to explain the tatto, since he already had it...??

3. The camera stayed on a white shoe, hung in a bush, near where Jack landed. Just a shoe in a tree?? Or some type of clue??
The shoe looks almost exactly like the shoes my school's marching band wears. This is a major clue, as we now know that atleast two castaways are skilled muscicians. The island must be a mystical band camp :laugh: