I know! They showed him very briefly and I took in every second I could get. However


the preview to next look very promising for our Charlie. I saw him and he looked hot as ever! Now I cannot wait for next week.

I know! They showed him very briefly and I took in every second I could get. Me too! You know there's a problem when we get all excited about Charlie getting 15 seconds of screen time. But he sure looked cute during those 15 seconds. :wub:

Not a problem, just a fanatic unhealthy infatuation with a complete, good looking stranger. Gotta love it.:blshing1:

I loved those 15 seconds, too.

The sleepy "What's wrong?". Sooo cute.

You know we are getting desperate when we soak in a 15 second scene.

*pacejunkie adds more bubble bath to 15 second scene and soaks in it*

No, what's really pathetic is Dom's getting more screentime tonight on Kimmel than he has in months on his own show.

lol. That's a good one pc.

Everytime I see a preview for next week, I strain my eyes to see some Charlie. And then when I see him I relax because I'm assured he'll get some sort of screentime next week.

Who knows? Maybe their goin some where with the whole "dark Charlie" thing and it's just takin a reeaallly long time to get there.

I just hope Dom isn't one of the actors being delegated to guest star status next season. I'm really counting down to Kimmel tonight.

Kimmell was amazing. Very different from the usual appearance because JJ was directing and there was a lot of joking around. They didn't do the standard interview, it was like on long comedy bit. The best part was he said Charlie is going to be featured heavily next week and in the finale. :clapping:

They showed a great clip where Eko and Charlie are in the hatch and Eko asks Charlie to bring his things down to him from the beach and Charlie says "What for? You moving in here? Fancy yourself a little bachelor pad?" and Eko says yes, he's moving in there. The clip ends but you can imagine Charlie about to be crushed. Great clip, and Charlie's smiling and looks adorable. Haven't seen him smile like that in a long time, it was nice.

I really enjoyed watching Dom on Kimmel last night. It really was one big comedy bit. I was so happy when we heard that there will be more Charlie here on out. Dom's reaction to that? Same one I had, lol.

I'm so glad I stayed up for this. It was hilarious.

I thought it was funny when he showed that pictures, espically the one of him doing that tea party. I busted out laugheing, but he was cute and funny as usual. And I'm glad we'll be getting to see more Charlie from here on out as well. Woooo

I was so happy when they said there will be a lot of Charlie in the last three hours of the season, but I couldn't help but feel a twinge of skepticism, wondering if all his scenes would actually make it into the show. And then when Dom was saying that, JJ said something like "You haven't seen the final cut yet." It cracked me up! If nothing else it was nice to hear them acknowledge that there hasn't been enough Charlie lately. :rolleyes:

I have to agree jellyfrog, I was little apprehesive about that when they said that, and the look on Dom's face was priceless. haha.

Here's hoping we finally get the Charlie screentime we have all been craving.

Hey Angels. I just wanted to share that I saw a preview for the Extra tv show to air Wednesday the 17th. It said Dom will be on to talk about Charlie and to discuss LOST in general.

Hey Angels. I just wanted to share that I saw a preview for the Extra tv show to air Wednesday the 17th. It said Dom will be on to talk about Charlie and to discuss LOST in general.

They don't air that show where I live. Can someone come back here after and give us a synopsis? A link would be even better if possible.

I'll be watching Extra tonight!

Happy Charlie Day Angels! Will we finally get to see more Charlie? I certainly hope so.

We get that but I don't know where it is...I know that sounds looney but I see it when I'm channel surfing but I never paid attention to what network...grrr.

Goes hunting...

The show's website has a section for looking up where it airs in your area. Also, hopefully lostlinks or lost media will have it up later.

Thanks for letting us know! I'll be watching. :D

The show's website has a section for looking up where it airs in your area. Also, hopefully lostlinks or lost media will have it up later.

Thanks.

Oh was this a good night for Charlie fans. And those shippers? Forget about it, they're partying up a storm. *raises a glass to PB&J* congrats guys.

Eeh I can't wait to watch it :) Sounded like we got some great Charlie time :)

And don't forget Dom on Ferguson tomorrow night everybody.

This has definitely been a good week for Charlie fans. I really hope TPTB develop a quality storyline for he and Claire next season. This is definitely one partying pb and j shipper!

YAY! Charlie! He looked as cute and cuddly as ever. And loved it that he finally interacted with Claire. Aww he was so mad at Eko, poor Charlie, I'll help you! I would love to see more of him in the finale before it ends for the summer.

There was so much Charlie this episode, it made my head spin! I loved his hurt reaction with Eko staying at the hatch. He felt like he was doing something useful, and then it's taken away from him. I did LOL when he tried building the church himself. Oh, and when Vincent brought him the Virgin Mary. "Are you kidding me?" LOL.

I definitely am a happy PB&J shipper. So incredibly happy.

Ah, good week.

Yay for more Charlie screen time! Sounds like it's been a long time coming.

xxxxx

It has been a long time coming. I hope Charlie is more upfront in season 3.

Me too. Well, I'm sure all of us hope that. ;)

And loved it that he finally interacted with Claire.
When Charlie came up to Claire with that little awkward start, I was all "What the hell, Charlie? She's pissed at you, and you're acting like nothing's happened!" Then I remembered how socially inept he is and realized, oh yeah...Like Charlie would really know how to *not* awkwardly start a potentially uncomfortable conversation! :redface:

That said, how adorable is that even after everything that happened, he still thinks of Claire first? Awwwww. And Aaron smiled at him! :mushy:

I thought that was great also. It would have been so easy to keep the vaccine after the way Claire treated him, but he still cares for her any way.

Hey guys. I just read that LOST action figures will be coming out in the fall, and Charlie is one of the first ones.

Omg! I am SO going to get the Charlie one!

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/05/24/lost-charlie-large.jpg

Isn't that figure beautiful?? I can't wait for my little Charlie doll. I hope they eventually come out with several in different poses from different scenes. For once Charlie fans get treated and not only is his in the first release of figures, but his is the first proof that we all get to see! It looks so lifelike it's amazing, but keep in mind, this is the painted sculpted proof. The plastic figures will be made off this model. Hopefully it will come out as detailed in plastic.

So what did everyone think of Charlie in the finale? Is his hearing permanantly affected? And how about the kiss at the end? Does Charlie know what happened to Locke and Eko?

I guess once its aired we don't have to spoiler font, yeah? ETA: okay I will anyway:


I think he may have some permanent hearing loss, but maybe the island will cure him. I don't think he knows what happened. He wouldn't have heard the EMP and he didn't see what happened in the hatch or on the beach because he was in the jungle heading back. He tried to get Locke and Eko out but they woudn't go. At this point he's just too stressed about his own condition to care.

That kiss! Claire does care after all! Yay!!! She better not hurt him.

I think we are supposed to spoiler font for three days after the show airs. At least that is the rule over at the linear board. A permanent hearing loss would be an interesting storyline for Charlie. He needs a new one with the heroin gone. A musician dealing with hearing loss would make a good dramatic storyline.

Having Charlie suffer from hearing loss will definitely be tragic and interesting. A musician who can't hear well. Kinda like Beethoven. I definitely found it odd that Charlie didn't go back to look for Eko and Locke, but he must be suffering from some sort of trauma and is blocking it all out. We have to wait for next season now!

And that kiss was spectacular. *sigh*

So what do we do all summer now with no Lost!

Its going to be a long summer. I hope there is a lot more Charlie in season 3 then there was this year.

I honestly don't know if this needs spoiler font or not, but . . .

I loved the moment in the jungle when Charlie comes across Locke crying. It was perfectly executed. A little bit of Snarky!Charlie.

I liked that too. I think Charlie enjoyed seeing Locke in a weak moment after the way he treated Charlie earlier in the season.

I want to be one of Charlie's angels too! And yeah I thought that moment with Locke in the jungle- Charlie just looked too happy. That devilish grin at Locke's 'discomfort.' But what comes around goes around...how fitting that Charlie would be the one to see him cry!

Not only that but did you notice the perfect parallel to Charlie's situation in Fire+Water? Locke had a bruise in exactly the same place on his face where he had hit Charlie and he was a crying emotional wreck just like Charlie was when Locke took advantage of him. Charlie was getting his own back to great satisfaction and it was pure poetic justice. For me it put closure on the whole thing in a way that the long con didn't.

I agree Pacejunkie. Poetic justice and closure. That was a good scene.

But unlike Locke..Charlie actually tried to get the warring factions to stop and talk things out. He put aside his feelings for just a few moments to try and do some good..

Ahd there are still people on this forum who are insisting Charlie is evil after he does his best to do the right thing.:chair: How much more obvious can it be?

But unlike Locke..Charlie actually tried to get the warring factions to stop and talk things out. He put aside his feelings for just a few moments to try and do some good..

Ahd there are still people on this forum who are insisting Charlie is evil after he does his best to do the right thing.:chair: How much more obvious can it be?

Exactly! While terms between Charlie and Locke are strained at best, he still was willing to help him out in the hatch. Yes, he wants Locke to feel just a bit of what he was feeling, but he doesn't want to see him die or anything evil like that. I don't understand the idea that Charlie is evil. He clearly is not.

I agree. Charlie was the only one who tried to reason things out in that scene. It just seems that some people are bound and determined to be down on Charlie. Grrr.

Welcome to Charlie's Angels!!! :wavey:

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I'm so sorry it's taken so long to get the numbers updated. I recently started on a new interior design job, so I've been a bit swamped.

pacejunkie: Just so you know, I finally got the Charlie fanfic link added to the resource list. :)

Now that business is out of the way....I LOVED Charlie in the finale. It was really all of the things I love about Charlie rolled into a relatively short time. First, his snark with Locke, which really was poetic justice. Then Charlie playing guitar, which always makes me happy for some reason. And then Charlie being the voice of reason, putting aside any hurt or bitter feelings to help Eko, and then try to talk some sense into Locke (and don't even get me started on Locke! :mad: ) Heroic Charlie, trying to pull Eko out of the hatch, despite his own injuries. And then my little shipper heart was thrilled with that sweet little kiss.

And I fully agree with everyone that I just don't understand the people on this forum who are insisting that Charlie was being evil or soulless in this episode. I think there are just a lot of dissatisfied people who will find just about anything to pick on, and for some reason, Charlie is always a favorite target. Charlie was the only one down in that hatch that was actually acting like an adult...as opposed to Locke, the petulant child, and Eko, who doesn't seem to get the meaning of "BLAST Doors."

Let me put it this way....I'm a big supporter of Dark Charlie. *points at avatar* I love it when he shows his darker edge, when he does things that are morally ambiguous, or just flat out questionable. So if Charlie really was acting in an edgy/dark way, I'd definately be one of the first to point it out. But I saw nothing sinister in his actions, only a man who has been wronged putting aside his own emotions to try and save people from their own foolishness. If anything, his behavior was quite noble.

~ RG

I hear you RG, I'm literally out of breath from all the Charlie defending and explaining I've been doing out there and no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't stop. "Why didn't he care about what happened to Locke and Eko?" "Why didn't he tell anyone?" "Why is he acting weird?" "Why did he lie to Claire and say nothing happened?" "Why is he acting so nonchalant?" "Why was he so mean to Locke" (puh-leeze).

I mean Charlie's been misunderstood before and I can handle that, but this has to be the most misunderstood Charlie scenes ever. My only hope is that come Season three when we see what really happened in the hatch, his behaviour will all be explained. In the meantime I am perfectly content to believe that nothing did happen in the hatch and he knws everyone is fine and besides he had a head unjury and couldn't think that clearly anyway. I myself was proud of Charlie and his heroism in this one, and it warmed my heart to finally see Claire showing some feelings for him. In my book he redeemed himself.

I hear you RG, I'm literally out of breath from all the Charlie defending and explaining I've been doing out there and no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't stop. "Why didn't he care about what happened to Locke and Eko?" "Why didn't he tell anyone?" "Why is he acting weird?" "Why did he lie to Claire and say nothing happened?" "Why is he acting so nonchalant?" "Why was he so mean to Locke" (puh-leeze).

I mean Charlie's been misunderstood before and I can handle that, but this has to be the most misunderstood Charlie scenes ever. My only hope is that come Season three when we see what really happened in the hatch, his behaviour will all be explained. In the meantime I am perfectly content to believe that nothing did happen in the hatch and he knws everyone is fine and besides he had a head unjury and couldn't think that clearly anyway. I myself was proud of Charlie and his heroism in this one, and it warmed my heart to finally see Claire showing some feelings for him. In my book he redeemed himself.

The "why was he so mean to Locke" attitude people are taking really infuriates me. If anything, Charlie showed an admirable amount of restraint in that scene. If he'd wanted to, he could've really rubbed salt in Locke's wounds - I know that I would've.

And I also believe nothing happened down in the hatch - nothing lethal, at any rate. If there had been an explosion that would've caused that magnitude of light and sound, smoke and debrit from that hatch would be scattered all over the island - not just the hatch door. There would be a visible smoke plume, and the beach losties wouldn't have need to ask Charlie what happened - they would've clearly seen something had blown up, and I imagine they would've rushed off themselves to check on survivors. Plus the fact that if there had been an explosion that size, there's no way Charlie would've gotten out of the blast radius in time. So I choose to believe that Charlie is disoriented, probably with a mild concussion, and has partial hearing loss. But he knows the other guys are still alive and fairly well. Eko's probably looking for his Jesus Stick in the mess down there, and with any luck, Locke is re-paralyzed, but alive. Yes, I'm holding more of a grudge against him than Charlie does - it's illogical, but I don't care. And hopefully Des is nursing his wounds with a bottle of Dharma Cuervo.

And I agree with the kiss - I was thrilled that it was Claire who initiated it. That was of the utmost importance to me, that Claire was the one to make the first move this time, first with the hand-holding, then the kiss. It showed that their relationship isn't one sided, because when it comes down to it, she really does care about Charlie. Which is good, because his former "mentors" certainly don't.

Now, for a question: Who would you like to see Charlie interact with more next season? Because personally, I'm already hoping for some Charlie and Desmond scenes. :)

~ RG

Now, for a question: Who would you like to see Charlie interact with more next season? Because personally, I'm already hoping for some Charlie and Desmond scenes. :)

Yesssssssssssss. Those accents make me so crazy I may end up shipping those two. :biggrin:

And I agree Locke is getting a big free pass on this one for some insane reason. If Charlie really wanted to get even, he'd tell Claire and everyone else on the beach that Locke nearly got them all killed.

Now, for a question: Who would you like to see Charlie interact with more next season? Because personally, I'm already hoping for some Charlie and Desmond scenes. :)

~ RG

Oh man, I'm with you on the more interacting between Charlie and Desmond next season. Those accents in one scene will make me crazy. Rawr. They sure would have something to talk about being from the UK. I also like seeing Sayid and Charlie together. I don't know why, but I do. Oh, and more scenes with him and his guitar. Oh, yes.

Back on the scene with Locke crying...he really was acting more mature than I would have been. It would have been so easy to rub it all in, and I'm glad that he didn't. Yes, I'm still angry about Locke punching Charlie three times, but if he was any more snarky those Charlie haters would really be more prevalent.

pacejunkie, it's amazing that you can handle all of them.

And I agree Locke is getting a big free pass on this one for some insane reason.
Duh, pj. It's because Charlie was there and Charlie is Useless and Evil. Anytime he has a scene - no matter how small or unrelated - THAT's what people focus on. What really happened is besides the point, as long as you can beat up on Charlie! It's ironic in a way for Charlie haters. TPTB can't get rid of him because what would anyone have to talk about? :D

I find it funny that sometimes it even appears the writers even orchestrate Charlie talk, even when he's not in an episode. Deus Ex Machina had the heroin and Maternity Leave was about Claire's kidnapping, among other examples.

It was really all of the things I love about Charlie rolled into a relatively short time. First, his snark with Locke, which really was poetic justice. Then Charlie playing guitar, which always makes me happy for some reason. And then Charlie being the voice of reason, putting aside any hurt or bitter feelings to help Eko, and then try to talk some sense into Locke (and don't even get me started on Locke! :mad: ) Heroic Charlie, trying to pull Eko out of the hatch, despite his own injuries. And then my little shipper heart was thrilled with that sweet little kiss.
Yes.

A lot of the Charlie talk is all about what they 'think' happened. They imagine an explosion in the hatch and Charlie walking out and just leaving them there...

Charlie went to all the trouble to try and talk them out of it and then tried to help Eko out under his own power. After ALL that he would not have just 'walked' out on them.

I am not one of those people who go in for the more bizarre theories. My theories are usually very simple, sometimes with a touch of 'out there' elements but I don't go overboard...(they took Claire's baby and somehow substituted another one for example :D)

I remembered this 'out there' urban legend about a WWII experiment where they were playing around with the effects of strong magentic waves and a ship apparently disappeared. I don't believe it happened but the thought did come to me...what if Charlie literally didnt see them? He was shielded from the force of the reverse polarity and it hit Desmon/Eko and Locke full force? What if the writers were playing around with this same 'theory'. Charlie doesn't see them..assumes they are 'gone' and walks back to the beach.

It would be freaky and make the sci-fi fantasy folks happy. :D

I'd like to see some Desmond/Charlie scenes as well. It would be interesting to see if there is some connection in their pasts as well, both being British and all.

Hmmm....I wonder if Desmond remembers Driveshaft. :) You know, I remember hearing about the military using a tactic where they blasted really annoying music around the clock to get to their enemies. So maybe wherever Desmond was deployed during his military days, they blasted You All Everybody at top volume around the clock. I know that would make me surrender. Hey, maybe they could try that with the Others! Of course I don't think dear Charlie would appreciate that information.

And I agree that I would love more Charlie and Sayid scenes. Sayid seems to have more respect for Charlie as a person than everyone else. He trusted Charlie with info about Henry - treated him like a fellow man, not a little errand boy or a useless junkie *glares at Eko and Locke.*

I also wouldn't mind some Charlie and Hurley scenes, when Hurley eventually makes it back to camp. I'd like to see Charlie's sympathetic side, what with Libby's death and all - to see him being a really good friend, despite any past teasing or hard feelings between them.

~ RG

Let's hope that he actually has scenes with other characters now that he's back with Claire. I'm happy for him and all but I'll be extremely disappointed if he goes back to being baby daddy all the time.

I hear you RG, I'm literally out of breath from all the Charlie defending and explaining I've been doing out there and no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't stop. "Why didn't he care about what happened to Locke and Eko?" "Why didn't he tell anyone?" "Why is he acting weird?" "Why did he lie to Claire and say nothing happened?" "Why is he acting so nonchalant?" "Why was he so mean to Locke" (puh-leeze). You know the ones I'm extremely tired of? He kidnapped and tried to drown her baby!!!!! He started the fire and put the whole camp in danger!!! It's literally the new "He shot Ethan." Forget trying to discuss Charlie when that comes up. It ain't happenin'.

You know the ones I'm extremely tired of? He kidnapped and tried to drown her baby!!!!! He started the fire and put the whole camp in danger!!! It's literally the new "He shot Ethan." Forget trying to discuss Charlie when that comes up. It ain't happenin'.

:chair: :hammer: :wallbash:

You and me both. Especially the 'drown her baby' bit. The viewers know pefectly well (or they would if they stopped and thought about it) that the baby was never in any danger. "But he COULD have hurt him'. Yes..and I always point out that Sun MIGHT have accidently poisioned Walt.

Unlike others on the island he was upfront with what his motives were. He didn't try to hide anything...

Its the same thing with Sun and Locke and the Sayid head whacking thing. They had good motives but their methods were bad. They both get a break but Charlie gets crucified.

And I'm preaching to the choir...:D

:And I'm preaching to the choir...:D :rotflmao2: But it feels good to let it out! What I'm annoyed the most with? People insisting that Charlie's a cold blooded murderer. He still had the marks of the hanging on his neck dammit!! There. I feel better. :biggrin:

Those people are just Evil Ethan lovers!:biggrin:

Seriously..after all they went through with Henry Gale NOT giving them any information there are still people who insist that they could have made Ethan 'talk'. One of the purposes of Henry Gale was to show that no matter what was done..these people don't TALK!

This is fun..

Good point. ^

What about those "Charlie is useless so he needs to die" people? Come on. He helped in the balloon trek with finding the grave, he's helped numerous times with Claire's baby, he helped Jack out of that cave in, he recently tried to get Eko and Locke to see some sense, etc. He's perfectly capable in doing things.

This is fun. It's like group theropy. :D

Good point. ^

What about those "Charlie is useless so he needs to die" people? Come on. He helped in the balloon trek with finding the grave, he's helped numerous times with Claire's baby, he helped Jack out of that cave in, he recently tried to get Eko and Locke to see some sense, etc. He's perfectly capable in doing things.

This is fun. It's like group theropy. :D

You could also bring up the fact that just about all the other characters are 'useless'. Sawyer is 'useless' when you get down to it..(not a bash-just making an observation) Lately Locke has been pretty useless...if Hurley didn't crack a funny line every once in a while HE would be useless.

That argument just does NOT fly.

And this is great!

Ooh can I play? I need to vent too! You know what I can't stand? "He bashed Sun over the head!" NO. HE. DIDN'T.

And how about, "He stole the baby TWICE". I guess a person can be held responsible for what they do in their sleep. *sigh*

He stole the baby TWICE.
OMG!!! YES!!! With the capital letters and everything! That's perfect!!!

AMEN to everything you guys have said!! This is why I read the Charlie threads, but I rarely ever comment. (a) I have a temper, and get too defensive sometimes, and (b) it's just exhausting trying to argue with some people.

And I agree, elfdream, every single one of the characters could be considered "useless." I like Sawyer, but he spends most of his time sitting around reading his books and making up new nicknames for everyone. I haven't seen him building more permanent shelters for people, or really contributing anything of consequence. Jack and Locke spent most of their time this season pushing buttons and yelling at each other. Quite honestly, one of the few people we consistenly see doing things for other people is Jin, who's always fishing to provide food. But Charlie has always tried to make himself useful, it's part of who he is. Sure, he might sit around strumming his guitar, but as soon as someone asks for his help, he's there, he at least sincerely tries. Which is more than can be said for a lot of other characters.

Ya'll are right, it does feel good to vent. And with Charlie it'll always be something we're having to fight....Ethan, Aaron, Sun. Now the "Charlie left Locke and Eko, he has no SOUL" complaints. And god only knows what next season will bring.

Maybe if we ever get to Charlie's Angels 3, we should subtitle it "Group Therapy."

~ RG

Here's another one.

"I'm a mother (and therefore better than anyone else out here because that makes my judgement as clear as day and perfectly correct because I'm a mother) and I would NEVER let Charlie near my baby again because you see...I'm a mother and mothers NEVER forgive anyone at anytime even a person who up to this point has only done his best to keep me and my baby together and despite the fact that all he wanted was for the baby to baptized and even though Claire refused to listen to him because if she had they might have avoided all this drama and despite the fact that she is ALIVE right now because of him ...but none of that matters because I'm a mother.

Well I'm a mother too. You know what I say to that?

:harhar1:

Ooh can I play? I need to vent too! You know what I can't stand? "He bashed Sun over the head!" NO. HE. DIDN'T.

This is one of the ones that irratates me the most. Every Charlie hater thinks that he's a wife beater now because Sun TRIPPED when she ran away from him and got a bruise. He never caused that and would never want anything serious like that to happen to her. He wasn't thinking clearly in that particular time.

But of course, he has no soul and is probably in cahoots with the others so he can steal Aaron once again. [/sarcasm]

And another thing, why is it that when Locke has crazy dreams people think that it's a sign from the Island but when Charlie has a weird dream/nightmare, it's because he's a junkie. I don't get how poeple can be so hyprocritical.

They don't realize they are being hypocritical. The condemn Charlie for his methods but other people have done similar things. Sun's motive was good. She wanted her husband to stay with her. Her method of trying to poison him was bad. Locke's motive was good...he didn't think the Losties were ready to meet what was out there when they first got there...his method of whacking Sayid on the head was bad.

There is more than enough sin to go around but for some reason Charlie's 'sins' are greater than theirs. They say its because it involves a baby...a baby we know full well he had NO intention of hurting. Its not like anyone DIED from his actions( yes..that was a snark at Locke).

This has been so therapeutic. I'm almost at the point where I can move past this...:D

Now of course Charlie's being blamed for making time with the cute blonde while people lay dying in the hatch. People, Claire kissed HIM and Locke, Eko and Desmond are all FINE! Besides the guy is injured, can he sit for a minute or does he have to be a hero again, because if he were to do that, he wouldn't get the credit for it.

I actually heard someone say that the only reason he went with Eko to the hatch in the first place was not because he believed Claire, Aaron and everyone else's lives on the beach were in danger, but that he just wanted to stick it to Locke and thwart his plans. Yeah, right.

Here's another one.

"I'm a mother (and therefore better than anyone else out here because that makes my judgement as clear as day and perfectly correct because I'm a mother) and I would NEVER let Charlie near my baby again because you see...I'm a mother and mothers NEVER forgive anyone at anytime even a person who up to this point has only done his best to keep me and my baby together and despite the fact that all he wanted was for the baby to baptized and even though Claire refused to listen to him because if she had they might have avoided all this drama and despite the fact that she is ALIVE right now because of him ...but none of that matters because I'm a mother.

Wow, my brain hurts from trying to decipher that. Any punctuations would have been nice. But who am I to talk cause I'm not a mother, lol.

Anyway, oh my god. How can people be so small minded? The reason Charlie helped Eko was to thwart Locke's plan? PUH-LEEZE. I'm sure that was the furthest thing from his mind at the moment. :disgust:

I wrote it that way on purpose...because it seems to run on and on like a bad comedy monologue. Just thinking about it made my brain hurt as well. :D

Oh..and everything he has been doing has been for his OWN selfish reasons. Interesting...I guess then that Sawyer, Locke etc are the most altruistic people on the beach.:rolleyes: They've all had moments of selfishness AND moments of generosity. No one has the corner on the market when it comes to that.

And I really hate to break it to people but the 'Sawyer reading to the baby' scene was NOT about Sawyer. It was about Charlie proving to Claire that he would do whatever he had to do in order take care of her baby.

And I really hate to break it to people but the 'Sawyer reading to the baby' scene was NOT about Sawyer. It was about Charlie proving to Claire that he would do whatever he had to do in order take care of her baby.

To me that scene was all about Charlie being smart and resourceful. He wanted Claire to know she could count on him and that he was capable of helping with the baby. There was no way he was going to go back to her and say he couldn't get the bloody thing to stop crying. He'd feel like he let her down. So instead he stuck at it until he found a solution. He proved he could handle it. It was great. I was really proud of Charlie at that moment.

Elfdream, can I just say how much I love you? Everything you've mentioned is the number one reason why I don't pay much attention or participate as much over at TWoP. The parent one especially irks. It was even more irking when those parents started attacking the parents who said they *would* trust Charlie.

Every Charlie hater thinks that he's a wife beater now because Sun TRIPPED when she ran away from him and got a bruise.
Don't forget that he also probably raped Sun in those what--5 minutes it took to grab her, Sawyer and Kate to come running, and Sun to run away. There's a very good chance Sun's baby is his. Even though that means Sun would only be about one week pregnant.

Charlie has to be the most ruthlessly evil genius to ever grace our TV screens. And in the form of a lovable dolt while he's at it.

And another thing, why is it that when Locke has crazy dreams people think that it's a sign from the Island but when Charlie has a weird dream/nightmare, it's because he's a junkie. I don't get how people can be so hypocritical.
Especially since "we (and more importantly, poor poor defenseless mother Claire) can't know that Charlie's dream was from the island" EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SEEN IT TWICE BEFORE WITH BOTH LOCKE AND CLAIRE.

I really liked the hypocrisy on Charlie when it came to Claire's parenting. Charlie's a bugger for pointing out how Claire's mothering techniques could use some work when she wakes her child and brings her towards a screaming woman. Because Claire's a saint, y'know, and NO one criticizes a mother--especially a new one. Yet it's suddenly character assassination when Claire walks away and leaves Aaron alone in order to watch them put out the fire. I mean, she'd NEVER do something so stupid! Yeah right.

Point out their hypocrisy and they make excuses for it.


But that's (Their particular favorite's diabolical act) different. Sun did it for LOVE.


I'm considering condensing that 'mom' quote and putting it in a sig line. The problem is it would probably offend someone...:rolleyes:

Oh please do, I love the "mom" quote. It's funny because it's completely true. It's bad with Charlie and Claire, but that attitude really bothered me when it came to Michael. You know, the "Oh, it's ok to kill two innocent, unarmed bystanders, and sell out his friends, because it's all for his BOY. I'm a parent, and I'd do the exact same thing, and anyone who says otherwise must not be a parent, and therefore your opinion is invalid."

And the dreams debate, lord. Charlie has weird visions, "OMG, Hail Mary, full of smack!!!" Locke or Eko has weird visions: "It's a miracle, the island is speaking to him, everyone should follow the great island Messiah!"

I really do worry about some people.

~ RG

Oh please do, I love the "mom" quote. It's funny because it's completely true. It's bad with Charlie and Claire, but that attitude really bothered me when it came to Michael. You know, the "Oh, it's ok to kill two innocent, unarmed bystanders, and sell out his friends, because it's all for his BOY. I'm a parent, and I'd do the exact same thing, and anyone who says otherwise must not be a parent, and therefore your opinion is invalid."


Or, if a mom says that they forgive him (I've seen this at LF) they practically get treated like bad parents because they would let that junkie around their kids.

Well that would make sense if he was still a junkie..but that argument falls to pieces because he's not..and he didn't even relapse. I guess those people don't believe in second chances.

Wonder what they would do if their own kid grew up and had a substance abuse problem? Turn them out of the house and never let him/her come back?

Well that would make sense if he was still a junkie..but that argument falls to pieces because he's not..and he didn't even relapse. I guess those people don't believe in second chances.

Wonder what they would do if their own kid grew up and had a substance abuse problem? Turn them out of the house and never let him/her come back?

Of course not! They're redeemable, where as Charlie has no chance at it because he has no soul.

Do you think it's just coincidence that viewers seem to treat him the same way most everyone on the island does--with utter disregard and as if he has no feelings (for a fictional character that is). I wonder if they're being manipulated to think that way by the writers because that's how he's treated on the island. I'm not talking about the evil diabolical thing, just the way people think he's portrayed as useless and incapable and not worth anyone's time and trouble. I'm not saying I see him that way, but I think it's a valid interpretation.

So you are saying these people are easily manipulated and we are not? :D

Seriously you might have a point. That's one reason I have not gotten on the total 'hate Locke' bandwagon..or the 'hate Sawyer' one for that matter. I am angry at Locke and I wish he would get a good comeuppance (and yes I admit Eko whacking him did make me feel good..as did Charlie's snarky comments in the jungle) but I want him to get a grip and realize what is does contribute to this group is valuable and he doesn't have to be the 'mystic man of the island with a great destiny' to do it. He can just..be Locke.

Same with Sawyer. He can be a good person if he would just stop running away from himself...but all of that is for another topic.

So I suppose that that means that whatever the writers are doing with the character is working...and Dom is fullfilling that 'vision' extremely well.

So while we're analyzing poor Charlie, I thought I'd share the fact that I have two new little ficlets that are character studies of Charlie from Season one for anyone who's interested. One is called Useless (from Walkabout) and the other is Hero (from Exodus II). Just click on the fanfic link in my signature and they are the first two stories in the list. Hope you like them.

Very good. I liked the way you showed how heroin eases his emotional pain in the first..and how thoughts of Clare eased his reaction to the real physical pain of the gunpowder in the second. Did you do that parallel on purpose?

I've never gotten up enough courage to post anything of mine to fanficiton. net. I admire anyone who does!

Very good. I liked the way you showed how heroin eases his emotional pain in the first..and how thoughts of Clare eased his reaction to the real physical pain of the gunpowder in the second. Did you do that parallel on purpose?

I've never gotten up enough courage to post anything of mine to fanficiton. net. I admire anyone who does!

Actually I didn't parallel them intentionally. I didn't notice that until you mentioned it but I guess they do have similar themes so it was inevitable. I was just thnking of where Charlie's head would be at the time he was experiencing each event. Thanks for the feedback.

As for posting on ff.net, you could definitely do it. Maybe it would help you to start with something small like these. Do a one page character study to stretch your imagination and just post that. After that it gets easier. I could suggest a challenge to you if you like, or you could come up with your own.

I already have some fanfic that I have written....I have one Lord of the Rings that is rather lengthy that got good reviews on the site where I first posted it. I'm just not sure if its ready for the 'masses'. :D

But I will take your advice and try the small things first.

Interesting fics. I always enjoy character studies, and these were no exception. I liked hearing the inner dialogue to stuff we have scene on the show. Nice job!

First off .. I'd like to join this little group... it was absolutely lovely to be able to read a whole thred about Charlie with no Charlie Bashing!
Secondly thank you all for saying the things that I really want to say in the other threds with far more rationally then I think could!! :biggrin:

Welcome Allison! There is always room for more Angels. We get tired of the Charlie bashing too.

Welcome to Charlie's Angels, Allison! :wavey:

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I don't think I could stand it if we didn't have this thread as a safe-haven from the Charlie Bashers. We have so many friendly, talented, and intelligent people here - it definately makes the fuse a happier place for me.

I really enjoyed your ficlets, pacejunkie. You really managed to capture Charlie's mindset, and I definately need to go back and read more of your work.

As for viewers treating Charlie with disregard, I don't think that's necessarily the case for the average, non-obsessive viewer. You know, the sort that doesn't live at the fuse like we do. :rolleyes: A lot of my friends watch Lost, and so does my boyfriend and my parents. None of them seem to have a problem with Charlie. In fact, the vast majority have commented that he's one of their favorite characters, and they represent a pretty wide demographic - guys, girls, and all different ages and backgrounds.

My parents have gotten into the habit of asking me what new theories or discussions are going around the fuse about Lost whenever I see them. So when they asked the other day, it got me on a rant about the most recent round of Charlie bashing. And they were perplexed that anyone could see his actions as suspicious, needless to say sinister. My dad's a huge Locke fan, but he's often said that if they ever killed Charlie, that would be it for him, he'd quit watching. And my boyfriend, who normally is only glued to the screen when Kate or Sun are on it, always likes Charlie's scenes, whereas he complains about most of the guys anymore. Of course, that might just be him avoiding my wrath - he probably knows I'd chuck the remote at his head if he complained about Charlie.

I think forums just tend to attract the dissatisfied...following Lost takes a level of commitment that your CSIs and Law and Orders don't require, and thus people, especially the internet fans, invest a lot of time into the show. And when things don't go their way - when they don't get the answers they want, or when their favorite character isn't getting the attention they think he or she deserves, they take it out on something else. And for some reason, Charlie is just an easy target.

People complained Ethan would've given answers (though we all know that would've never happened, thanks to Fenry) - and so the easy target was Charlie. A lot of the "mythology" people were angry with the direction Locke's character took, or with the lack of action packed, island-myth episodes - and so they took it out on Charlie, because his flashbacks are very character-driven, and revolve around his struggle with family and addiction, which they think is a waste of their time. And now I suspect a lot of Locke, Eko, and Desmond fans are irked that we know that Charlie's ok, but their fav's fates are left hanging for the summer (even though I think it's pretty obvious that they aren't in immediate danger). And so once again, they assassinate Charlie's character because "he left them behind." :rolleyes: But I don't believe their reactions are shared by the majority of Lost's audience.

~ RG

Thanks for your insight RG. It's good to hear how Charlie is viewed "by the outside world" if you know what I mean. I have often wondered just how popular his character really is with the millions of masses that TPTB really write the show for. Yeah they listen to us and want to make us happy too, but they know the network support and budget lies in the ratings and we're not big enough to carry the show. Let's hope that popularity keeps Charlie safe all the way up to season seven-the zombie season. :biggrin:

And thanks for checking out my ficlets. Keep checking back through the link, I've been feeling very prolific lately getting out all of this Charlie that's in me, so I'm posting short stories every few days. It's very therapeutic.

I am as good as speechless right now. I read the last 5-10 pages of this thread, and I am completely and utterly in love with all of you. You've voiced my exact opinions on what is going on in the [ridiculous] world of Charlie-bashing, and made the most valid points I have heard in a long time - and this isn't even a debate thread! Wow. Sign me up on this list - I think I'll be camping out in this thread for a while. :biggrin:

Charlie is, without a doubt, my favorite character - in possibly ANY fandom. Personally, I find that his baggage [and personality in general] is the easiest for me to relate to, analyze, or connect with. The complexity of the character is believable, and that bothers people for some reason. Like, they just don't want to see character realism on a TV Show. We have real life for that, right? We don't need to see it on TV! Pfft. :rolleyes:

That's the major thing I cannot stand about Anti-Charlies. They think he is useless! If Charlie could hunt, calm a girl's asthma attack, or carry a Jesus Stick arond, I can't help but get the feeling that much more people would forgive him for his past/future mistakes. It's the sad truth, yet I wouldn't ever want Charlie to be that way. I love our Charlie for who he is. But because he isn't a character whose episodes lead to island mythology and what not, there are people who can't stand him. Hmm. :undecide: Like most of you have said, he is used as the punching bag when something goes wrong with a plot point, character, or whatever aspect of the show a person is invested in. I find that extremely unfair.

The thing is: Charlie tries to be a better person; he is seeking redemption and wants to be a good person, unlike Sawyer, for example [and I'm a Sawyer fan, btw]. Charlie knows and admits it when he has done wrong. He isn't a "stubborn and selfish arsehole" as most people seem to dub the poor man nowadays. He just isn't! Isn't Charlie's tendency to want to save/help people a major part of his personality - and, not to mention, a sincere one? I have had enough of listening to people whine "Charlie is self-serving", "Charlie's main priority is Charlie" because I know that they couldn't be any more wrong. If anything, Charlie thinks of himself last. As a lot of Charlie supporters have said, he is ALWAYS there when someone needs him -- hell, for the majority of time, he volunteers to help. It's never, "I'm kinda busy right now," or "Can we save this for later?" In my opinion, that makes Charlie a great hero - he could essentially be a great leader, if he didn't lack so much self-confidence. :frown:

This is why I am really looking forward to seeing Charlie in Season 3 - with the triangle, Locke and Eko gone, I think that Charlie will be one of the major people we see taking charge. And I can't wait for that. Of course, the Anti-Charlies will be as mean as ever, but I am hoping that Charlie lovers will overpower them. We can't change their opinion, but we can defend him anyway. Charlie needs all of the defense he can get. He deserves it more than many other characters.

God, I love that man. *has to remind self repeatedly that he is fictional*;)

This is why I am really looking forward to seeing Charlie in Season 3 - with the triangle, Locke and Eko gone, I think that Charlie will be one of the major people we see taking charge. And I can't wait for that. Of course, the Anti-Charlies will be as mean as ever, but I am hoping that Charlie lovers will overpower them. We can't change their opinion, but we can defend him anyway. Charlie needs all of the defense he can get. He deserves it more than many other characters.

God, I love that man. *has to remind self repeatedly that he is fictional*;)

I really am looking forward to Charlie in season three. I mean, I'm always looking forward to Charlie, but I think it will be really interesting to see where his character goes from here now that Jack, Sawyer, and Kate are gone. I'd love to see him with more confidence and more leadership. I agree with your comment Michelina.

God, I love that man. *has to remind self repeatedly that he is fictional*;)

LOL! Me too, Michelina. That's to Dom's credit for making this character come to life like he has.

I have recurring worries that the fall mini-season will take place entirely in Other camp with J/K/S. That can't happen right? I hope we get a lot of beach time. I'm not sure if I see Charlie ending up a leader but I at least need to know if his brains were scrambled by whatever happened in that hatch. And of course I wouldn't mind another kiss. Bit longer next time if you please...:rolleyes:

Welcome, Michelina!


I have recurring worries that the fall mini-season will take place entirely in Other camp with J/K/S. That can't happen right? Of course not! The dynamics of the group will change drastically now that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are elsewhere, and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out. I'd like to think that Sayid will step into a more prominent role. And of course I'm always hoping for more Charlie!

BTW, I got kick out of this Charlie's Angels (http://www.lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=63832&stc=1&d=1148712794) avatar I saw at Lost Forum. :biggrin: It's by Mandi.

I am as good as speechless right now. I read the last 5-10 pages of this thread, and I am completely and utterly in love with all of you. You've voiced my exact opinions on what is going on in the [ridiculous] world of Charlie-bashing, and made the most valid points I have heard in a long time - and this isn't even a debate thread! Wow. Sign me up on this list - I think I'll be camping out in this thread for a while. :biggrin:

Welcome to Charlie's Angels, Michelina!! :hug: That was a great introduction post. I think it's safe to say you're going to fit right in here. :biggrin: You're # 81.

Hee, thanks for the link to that avatar, jellyfrog! Very funny, and when I first saw that scene, I thought the exact same thing. I have this vintage-style Charlie's Angels t-shirt, with the old tv show logo on it that I wear around the house or as pajamas. Sayid, Sawyer, and Jack really are striking almost the exact same pose, lol.

pacejunkie: I've been having the same worries. I'm really hoping that between the island A-Team being gone, his reunion with Claire, the vaccine thread, and the what did/did not happen in the hatch spec, that Charlie will be featured more prominently in season 3. That's what my heart says. But my head says that TPTB are always going to feature The Love Triangle and the Locke story first and foremost, and I wouldn't be shocked if he got pushed into the background like the beginning of last season. Kate, Jack, and Sawyer will be season 3's version of the Raft boys meet the Tailies, and take away precious Charlie time. My heart wants my head to shut up already.

~ RG

pacejunkie: I've been having the same worries. I'm really hoping that between the island A-Team being gone, his reunion with Claire, the vaccine thread, and the what did/did not happen in the hatch spec, that Charlie will be featured more prominently in season 3. That's what my heart says. But my head says that TPTB are always going to feature The Love Triangle and the Locke story first and foremost, and I wouldn't be shocked if he got pushed into the background like the beginning of last season. Kate, Jack, and Sawyer will be season 3's version of the Raft boys meet the Tailies, and take away precious Charlie time. My heart wants my head to shut up already.

That's exactly it. I think back to the end of Season One. Charlie had turned a corner with Claire, they were getting closer. The episode ended with them right before the big hatch shot. A new story arc started for him, he found the heroin and was hiding it from her. Major cliffhanger right? And then nothing. Other than little individual scenes in Adrift and Abandoned, the story crawled and they didn't get to the rest of it until January.

I'm hoping they realize he was cheated last year (they certainly have mentioned it enough) and make an effort to change that. Damon said in the new Lost Magazine that one of his biggest regrets about this past season was their inability to service all of the characters' stories the way they wanted to because they had so much mythology to deal with. He specifically mentioned Charlie as an example, saying he would often write an episode and say that he wished he had the chance to get to Charlie in that one, but it never seemed to happen.

Now, they know that was a problem, the ratings slipped a little, possibly due to the balance swinging to far to the complex mythology and away from the character development. They've said that Season three will emphasize the characters' relationships more and they want to put the mythology on the back burner for a while. That's what gives me hope that it will be different this time.

That's a funny avatar, jellyfrog! Now every time I see that striking pose in Lost I'll definitely think of that.

I didn't think of the mini-series just showing Kate, Jack, and Sawyer until now. God, I hope that's not the direction they take. Don't they need to show us what happened to the others, too? I need to see Charlie and find out if he's okay or not.

I really do worry about some people.
Man, some of the leaps I see are just too unbelievable to believe.

I have often wondered just how popular his character really is with the millions of masses that TPTB really write the show for.
There was an article recently that mentioned some of the fan mail Dom received. How it covered the floor of his trailer and he was desperately trying to go through some of it during a break. Somehow, I think a floor's covering of fan mail is just the tip of the iceberg for the amount of snail mail the boy receives. Don't even try and tell me that's it's not amongst the highest amounts out of the cast.

And yeah, I know having your trailer covered in fan mail when a reporter comes by can be construed as bragging and inflating the numbers a bit, but this is Dom we're talking about. Not only is he not like that, he doesn't need to do it either. So I'm taking the "aww, he's so inundated it's like an avalanche" route.

Do you think it's just coincidence that viewers seem to treat him the same way most everyone on the island does--with utter disregard and as if he has no feelings (for a fictional character that is).
In a roundabout way. I think almost all of it falls on the fact that Charlie is a weak character, much like Boone. He's not an alpha male, and he's not pidgeonholed as a one-note [comedy] sidekick. That fact that he has layers and angst does him in with the internet community. I remember being shocked how much vitriole was directed at Wesley from Angel. Holy smokes.

I think forums just tend to attract the dissatisfied...following Lost takes a level of commitment that your CSIs and Law and Orders don't require, and thus people, especially the internet fans, invest a lot of time into the show.
First, by default, the internet attracts the extreme fringes of any particular audience. The average person doesn't dissect JK Rowling and Harry Potter, for instance. They just read the book and maybe talk about it with their friends.

Second, I'm also starting to suspect that the big forums are also fringe attracters in and of themselves, and it may be possible they don't represent the internet community as a whole either. If you take Dom and Charlie as an example, that fan base is incredibly widespread. There are small satellite forums everywhere, not to mention the LOTR and Dom sites people are probably hanging out at. Yeah, New York's a big city, but its population is nothing compared to the population of all the smaller cities added together. And that doesn't even consider the fact that not everyone in NY thinks NY is teh hawt.

Third, it's exhausting. I think a lot of posters actually like (or at least don't mind) Charlie, but just don't want to get involved. That'll skew the numbers too. Fringe of the fringe of the fringe. Who wants to sit and argue with all the naysayers All. The. Damn. Time. It's a never-ending cycle! Especially when the conversation is So. Damn. Repetitive. (Hence our little rants over the last few pages.) I remember how shocked the TWoP Lost board got when Lost won as best drama in the TWoP Tubby Awards. Currently at the TWoP recap poll (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=136&limit=&sort=&), the option "Totally! The show's as good as ever" far and away surpasses the other choices, with almost 1/2 the vote. You would never, ever, ever guess that if you spent your time around that board--or even TWoP as a whole.

Fourth, and (for now!) finally, some people are just plain vocal. They take up ALL the attention, and from the sidelines make it appear their side is the one that's the majority opinion even though it really isn't. If I've got a class of 30 kids, all it takes is one attention-seeker to derail the whole thing. All the other kids know that one is an idiot, but they're not exactly going to stand up and do anything about it. If you've got 3, 4, or even 10-20 on a large internet board (especially when they're continuously harping), it's going to do the same thing. And like I said before, it's going to drive away the real majority, because they just don't care to deal with it.

The complexity of the character is believable, and that bothers people for some reason. Like, they just don't want to see character realism on a TV Show. We have real life for that, right? We don't need to see it on TV! Pfft.
I think this is the most hilarious aspect about the whole thing. They're constantly complaining about how the characters aren't real and don't act realistically, yet can't recognize realism when it's staring them in the face. The uproar over Locke's return to his old self is just a beautiful study in hypocrisy and irony. I laugh so hard whenever someone tries and tells me Charlie is one-note. I laugh even harder when those same people complain about how the characters aren't complex, then piss and moan about how others don't get that.

I have recurring worries that the fall mini-season will take place entirely in Other camp with J/K/S. That can't happen right? I hope we get a lot of beach time.
I think next season might start out the same way this season did. The A story (hatch), B story (boat/tailaways), and C story. The J/K/S (guessing A) and hatch explosions (guessing B) are clearly the S3 set-ups for the A and B stories, and Charlie's fairly involved in the hatch this time around. Sayid's positioning, however...seems as crappy as it did last season. Only this time he's dragging Jin down with him instead.

I think next season might start out the same way this season did. The A story (hatch), B story (boat/tailaways), and C story. The J/K/S (guessing A) and hatch explosions )guessing B) are clearly the S3 set-ups for the A and B stories, and Charlie's fairly involved in the hatch this time around. Sayid's positioning, however...seems as crappy as it did last season. Only this time he's dragging Jin down with him instead.

Sayid really did end up getting the C plot twice didn't he? I thought that boat story was going to be more of a deal than it was but it was stinky. Charlie on the other hand moved up from C to B plot. I'm happy about that.

Nice analysis of the fan base. So we're fringe of the fringe huh? Maybe as vocal Charlie defenders, we're the fringe of the fringe of the fringe. Interesting :)

And I don't know if the other actors also have trailer floors full of fan mail but the fact that the journalist in the article pointed that out I think made it significant. It was as if it was to confirm that his is one of the more popular charatcers.

Fringe of the fringe. Sounds like we are a select group.

Fringe of the fringe. Sounds like we are a select group.


Best of the best I'd say.

Best of the best I'd say.

I'd have to agree. :)

Well, the Charlie Support group thread is going strong over at LF. They're talking about basically the same thing we are, how unfair the Charlie bashers are being. It feels great to have a few people over there that don't hate Charlie because it feels like the whole forum over there is filled with Locke-lovin' Charlie Haters. (Nothin wrong with liking Locke, but it just seems that the majority who love Locke hate Charlie.)

And some think that Charlie's an *** because he got mad at Eko for abandoning the church building! I don't get it. Is Charlie not alowed to get annoyed at somebody who was listening to him and working with him, making him feel important for once and then abandoning the one thing that brought them together? Honestly. How is that being immature and annoying? It's called being human.

Oh...I see my post turned from a message of optimism into a rant...sorry.

And some think that Charlie's an *** because he got mad at Eko for abandoning the church building! I don't get it. Is Charlie not alowed to get annoyed at somebody who was listening to him and working with him, making him feel important for once and then abandoning the one thing that brought them together? Honestly. How is that being immature and annoying? It's called being human.

Oh...I see my post turned from a message of optimism into a rant...sorry.

I don't really understand that either. Eko handled that situation badly. He basically belitted what they'd been doing by building the church, saying his new task was more important. And yes, obviously pushing the button turned out to be important. But he could've said it in a way that didn't make Charlie feel like his work had been unimportant. And then Eko tried to turn Charlie into his personal gopher with the whole "Charlie, get my things" bit. That was immature and annoying to me, not Charlie. I had a lot of respect for Charlie when he basically told Eko where to stick it.

Now I'm an Eko fan, but I do believe that some (not all, of course) Locke and Eko fans believe their characters are somehow "better" than the rest, what with their mystical vibes and all. So if Eko or Locke does something out of line, they're excused of the behavior. Hence the lack of uproar over Locke's "they're not my friends" comment, and his failure to check on them after the explosion in the hatch. But Charlie makes a snarky comment, or gets a bit of passive revenge (I'm thinking Desmond comment to Locke) and those same people excuse Locke or Eko's behavior go off on Charlie for being shifty and no-good. I've gotten used to the double standards by now.

~ RG

And Eko's behaviour didn't end. In spite of the way he dismissed him in the hatch, when Eko came to Charlie on the beach and said he needed his help to save everyone's lives, Charlie didn't hesitate. Charlie gets him the dynamite and follows him to the hatch and what does Eko say? "You can leave now Charlie." Again, he got what he wanted from him and that was that. Charlie was heroic for sticking around and trying to talk some sense into the two of them despite how they were both treating them and he risked his own life to do it.

I just thought I'd post and reaffirm my Charlie love as I havent been around for a while!!

I'm trying not to read everyone's posts in here as I dont want to spoil the 2nd half of Season 2 but whatever happens I am always an Angel!

xxxxx

Well, the Charlie Support group thread is going strong over at LF. They're talking about basically the same thing we are, how unfair the Charlie bashers are being. It feels great to have a few people over there that don't hate Charlie because it feels like the whole forum over there is filled with Locke-lovin' Charlie Haters. (Nothin wrong with liking Locke, but it just seems that the majority who love Locke hate Charlie.)

And some think that Charlie's an *** because he got mad at Eko for abandoning the church building! I don't get it. Is Charlie not alowed to get annoyed at somebody who was listening to him and working with him, making him feel important for once and then abandoning the one thing that brought them together? Honestly. How is that being immature and annoying? It's called being human.

Oh...I see my post turned from a message of optimism into a rant...sorry.

I've discoved that a lot of the irrational comments and ideas come about because some posters are just so young and post emotionally on the spur of the moment rather than thinking things through and being reasonable about it.

I've met a LOT of younger posters who can come across as very mature and they actually take the time to think about what they are posting. They are a lot of fun even when I disagree with them. Then there are those...ahem... 'others'. :D I have decided I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a 13 year old. I'll let the more grown-up reasonable 13 year olds deal with them. :biggrin: They'll blow them out of the water.

I've discoved that a lot of the irrational comments and ideas come about because some posters are just so young and post emotionally on the spur of the moment rather than thinking things through and being reasonable about it.

I've met a LOT of younger posters who can come across as very mature and they actually take the time to think about what they are posting. They are a lot of fun even when I disagree with them. Then there are those...ahem... 'others'. :D I have decided I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a 13 year old. I'll let the more grown-up reasonable 13 year olds deal with them. :biggrin: They'll blow them out of the water.
I agree elfdream. I'd rather just post my positive thoughts about Charlie and let other people deal with those immature "others". Only positive Charlie vibes for me.

Poor Charlie. Always getting used and then dumped. :(

Well maybe he will finally have a chance with Claire.

I was searching for something on the site and came across a post that I had forgotten about. Someone told me to take off my "I Love Charlie' glasses.

:roflmao:

Now why in the world would I want to do THAT?

I might even put that in my sig file. :D

"Looking at the world through my 'I love Charlie glasses' :D

Hey! I would like to join this group. I'm fairly new here but I've watched Lost from the begining and have always been a Charlie fan! I was pretty surprised at so many pepole being so harsh towards him here. But I enjoyed reading all the venting that was going on. :) Nice to find a group of people who apricate him.

Side-note: I remember reading that post, elfdream, about the "take off your 'I love Charlie glasses'" Made me chuckle. I keep a pair handy myself ;)

Hey! I would like to join this group. I'm fairly new here but I've watched Lost from the begining and have always been a Charlie fan! I was pretty surprised at so many pepole being so harsh towards him here. But I enjoyed reading all the venting that was going on. :) Nice to find a group of people who apricate him.

Side-note: I remember reading that post, elfdream, about the "take off your 'I love Charlie glasses'" Made me chuckle. I keep a pair handy myself ;)

We should all wear them as a sign of unity! :cool:

And the fact that they make the world look a little better is a plus. :D

I might even put that in my sig file. :D

"Looking at the world through my 'I love Charlie glasses' :D oh please do elfdream! If you don't I will! That's a brilliant line.

oh please do elfdream! If you don't I will! That's a brilliant line.

Go ahead. Feel free. :D

No law that says that only one person can use it.

My "I Love Charlie" glasses definitely make the world look better. Cute and dreamy is my outlook.

We should all wear them as a sign of unity! :cool:

And the fact that they make the world look a little better is a plus. :D
My "I Love Charlie" glasses definitely make the world look better. Cute and dreamy is my outlook.
Hey! I'm offended by that! I'll have y'all know that my Charlie vision's fine. I don't need "I Love Charlie" glasses to delude myself into thinking the world's a better place--it already is, especially with Charlie around! :thumbsup:

I suggest others take off their "I Hate Charlie" glasses instead.:thmbdown: Makes everything all dark and yucky, and clouds their vision too much.

*is already wearing my "I love Charlie" glasses*

What? My vision is so much worse without them. ;)

I suggest others take off their "I Hate Charlie" glasses instead.:thmbdown: Makes everything all dark and yucky, and clouds their vision too much.

Excellent point, schoff!

Hey! I'm offended by that! I'll have y'all know that my Charlie vision's fine. I don't need "I Love Charlie" glasses to delude myself into thinking the world's a better place--it already is, especially with Charlie around! :thumbsup:

I suggest others take off their "I Hate Charlie" glasses instead.:thmbdown: Makes everything all dark and yucky, and clouds their vision too much.

Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.

I was just trying to take the words of a 'hater' and twist them around and use them against him and ALL the haters. A sort of 'Yankee Doodle' move if you follow where I'm going with it.

I like the idea of I love Charlie glasses.

hee.. I know some people I would like to buy I love Charlie glasses for... just to aid their vision a tad. :p

hee.. I know some people I would like to buy I love Charlie glasses for... just to aid their vision a tad. :p That is funny. I love Charlie glasses to all who are blind to his appeal. :biggrin:

Hey guys. Just thought I'd let any Angels from the UK know that Dom will be on your tv next week. I read on another website that Dom will be on the Johnathan Ross show July 7.
Anyway, thought I'd share.

I hope someone captures this. :biggrin:

I'm sure someone will. :)

charlies angels clevername. i am very interested in what will happen with charlie and claire(is it called chaire?) especcially when she finds out about sun. hmm poor charlie. i would be honored to be one of charlies angels. plz and thank you

charlies angels clevername. i am very interested in what will happen with charlie and claire(is it called chaire?) especcially when she finds out about sun. hmm poor charlie. i would be honored to be one of charlies angels. plz and thank you Charlie and Claire fans hang out on the pb and j porch swing. For most shippers they are referred to primarily as pb and j. I actually hope the Sun thing never comes out. Charlie has had enough hard knocks on the island.

I actually hope the Sun thing never comes out. Charlie has had enough hard knocks on the island.

They sure have not mentioned it since it happened, huh? If it ever does come out, I hope it's Charlie that tells her and not Sawyer ratting him out or something like that.

They sure have not mentioned it since it happened, huh? If it ever does come out, I hope it's Charlie that tells her and not Sawyer ratting him out or something like that. I hope Sawyer doesn't rat Charlie out. He'd have to admit his part in it wouldn't he?

I hope Sawyer doesn't rat Charlie out. He'd have to admit his part in it wouldn't he?

True. I mean, they know he took the guns, but that? I don't think so.

Has anyone been able to find the Dom interview from Jonathan Ross anywhere? The links I've tried don't work.

I'm uploading the intro and the actual interview at the moment. I'll place the links in the D.O.M. thread when they are done. :)

Have you tried here (http://community.livejournal.com/dom_dedicated/)? Just scroll down to the entry and click the link to download. It's a large file and does take a while even with a high speed connection. And you need quicktime which you can download for free.

Thanks for the info guys. They also have it up at lost media now in wmv format. I was able to download it there. I finally saw it. They actually talked very little about LOST didn't they.

Hi can i join this group? I just want to say that i really enjoyed the interview with Jonathon Ross and thought he was a cool guy.

Of course you can join. The more the merrier. We love meeting new Charlie fans.

Of course you can join. The more the merrier. We love meeting new Charlie fans.
Thank you, i'm glad i'm meeting Charlie fans!:biggrin:

So is anyone else bummed that ABC has cancelled plans to reair Fire + Water this week? Instead they are showing their new American Idol ripoff The One.

Aww, that's not fair. :(

It's okay becuase "The One" looks like such a great show! (<--- that was not serious ;) ) Are they going to show it next week instead? <---Lost that is

They are showing the Long Con and One of Them. They won't reshow Fire + Water. I guess we will have to wait for the DVDs.

Well in the Uk they released part 1 of season 2 DVD on monday.I guess its a bit messy having to buy 2 parts. Right now in the Uk we are upto One of them.

Grrr. Stupid ABC. It's been a long hard day and I really could have used some Lost, especially a Charlie centric Lost.

I really like Charlie but I won´t rewatch "Fire and Water". He looked so stupid in this diapers!

I really like Charlie but I won´t rewatch "Fire and Water". He looked so stupid in this diapers!

Ack! I agree with the diapers bit!! That was horrid! :eek2: But I thought the rest of the episode was actually pretty good. Maybe I was just biased since it was a Charlie episode but I seemed to be one of the few who enjoyed that episode. While many thought it was one of the worst of the series. O well, to each his own I suposse.

I really like Charlie but I won´t rewatch "Fire and Water". He looked so stupid in this diapers!
I found it hilarious! It made my day! But i do agree it was abit stupid but the overall episode was great, i don't know why some people didn't like it much.

Fire and Water was one of the highest rating of the season believe it or not. Charlie's episodes might get dissed on the internet but they usually have the higher ratings out there among the viewers who are not as picky as we are. It didn't affect the ratings for "The Long Con' either. The ratings really didn't start to go down until Maternity Leave (Which was probably American Idol's fault).

I can take or leave the diaper scene. I've seen Dom take a shower (yes..a real shower) and dress in drag so the diaper scene was old stuff to me. :D

I've seen Dom do lots of things but the diaper scene bugs. I really wasn't planning on watching the rerun anyway as much as I love the episode I need a fast forward button to watch it again. I've seen it on tape a dozen times but I have to zip through the diaper scene. I have a weak constitution. :31:

I've seen Dom do lots of things but the diaper scene bugs. I really wasn't planning on watching the rerun anyway as much as I love the episode I need a fast forward button to watch it again. I've seen it on tape a dozen times but I have to zip through the diaper scene. I have a weak constitution. :31:

Hehe. It was... let's just say it was unique. :biggrin:

Oh, and... hi! I'm new and I'd like to be added please. I kind of missed Charlie in season 2, I hope he'll be more present next season.

Oh, the diaper scene! That was painful. I was kind of confused by it too... It was like "Am I supposed to laughing? Is this supposed to be funny?" I love the rest of F+W though...


Oh, and... hi! I'm new and I'd like to be added please. I kind of missed Charlie in season 2, I hope he'll be more present next season.
Hi, Ingrid! Welcome! I think it's safe to say you speak for all of us. We need more Charlie. :rolleyes:

We need more Charlie. :rolleyes:

But not in diapers. We need less of that. Much. Less. ;)

Welcome Ingrid! :wavey:

I agree. More Charlie/ 0 diapers

Yes, we need more Charlie! Maternity Leave has just aired here and he wasn't in it at all =(

xxxxx

Yes, we need more Charlie! Maternity Leave has just aired here and he wasn't in it at all =(

xxxxx

UGH!! Didn't that suck?? That was such a HUGE disappointment when that aired especially because former assistant writer Matt Raggs, who freaking wrote the episode, told us that you can't have a Claire story without involving Charlie somehow and then we see the episode and HE'S NOT EVEN IN IT!!!!!!! :chair: :thmbdown: :hissy: :rant:

I was seething afterwards, I couldn't even enjoy the episode although I wanted to know the Ethan story so badly. I just felt so betrayed. He practically told us Charlie would be involved on at least some level. Thanks for letting me rant.

I think it was just the build up of all that frustration over it having been a pretty Charlie-less season, and then to still have episodes where he was missing entirely after two where he had like one scene was just too much to take. I was having such Charlie withdrawal by that point anyway. :sweat:

I hope and pray :63: they pay him back with more Season 3 airtime, because I've heard Dom say several times now that he likes to work and not being on much was the most frustrating thing for him this past year. They're wasting his talent and I feel badly for him. :frown:

Ahhh, That made me so mad too! Especially since the very last scene of the episode before was Sayid asking Charlie 'if he remembers' and it all sets it up and then... nothing! I agree with you 100% pacejunkie! I was so looking forward to finding out what happened, but it just was a huge let down, for me, since Charlie wasn't involved.

I was also kind of hoping to get more answers about the part that happened during Daddy Issues. I read in the orignal version of the Raised By Another script, it was going to be heavely implyed that Ethan wasn't alone when he approached the couple. I would have liked to have that shown, at least a little. I realise that, the parts they did show are much more important to the story, but I would have liked to have seen just a bit of overlapping of sorts.

*sigh* I really wish that story had been done not when Charlie and Claire weren't talking. It really should have been him going along with Claire and not Kate.

*sigh* I really wish that story had been done not when Charlie and Claire weren't talking. It really should have been him going along with Claire and not Kate.

:blshing1: Oh, that would have been so amazing. A Charlie/Claire trek for answers and they find out together what happened to them BOTH. Why oh why?? :wallbash:

I see that our international counterparts are experiencing the same frustrations the rest of us did this season. I really hope we see a lot more Charlie in season 3. Well, this is a good place to vent anyway.

:blshing1: Oh, that would have been so amazing. A Charlie/Claire trek for answers and they find out together what happened to them BOTH. Why oh why?? :wallbash:

But they had to have a 'girls only' episode. :rolleyes:

I would have been happy if Charlie had just been lurking on the edges of the scenes looking concerned. He did just have that dream where Aaron was in danger and suddenly he's sick....and Charlie is nowhere to be found? Its not just that I wanted more Charlie...it just didn't make sense! It was unrealistic.



It was a mistake leaving him out as far as I was concerned.

It was unrealistic, that was my rant too when it aired. He had just said Aaron was in danger and now Claire's run off to find a vaccine? It's a small island, he had to have heard about it from someone. Claire's not there, why isn't he watching Aaron from the trees, or asking Jack how he's doing trying to get information on the sly?

The promo pics showed him building the church with Eko but they didn't appear until a later ep. If they did originally belong to this ep it was a pretty random thing for him to be doing with everything else going on that pertained to him.

Hmm....maybe this was why they had no writer's slots for Raggs to return....

I had quite a few questions about the writing in season 2. Especially in regards to Charlie and Claire.

Thanks for the welcome guys!

Great to be in a place where Charlie is loved. :heart: Jack and Charlie are my favorite Lost boys and even if I try to ignore the negativity, sometimes I get the feeling people don't really give them a chance and they're not treated fairly.

Anyway...
I agree. More Charlie/ 0 diapers

:24: I'm training to be a mommy at the moment so diapers don't freak me out anymore. However, I'm not too sure how I feel about adult diapers. Oh. Sorry to have brought it up again. :redface: BUT. Doesn't that situation speak volumes of the lenghts Charlie would go to for the band and his brother? I admire him for it to tell you the truth.

Thanks for the welcome guys!

Great to be in a place where Charlie is loved. :heart: Jack and Charlie are my favorite Lost boys and even if I try to ignore the negativity, sometimes I get the feeling people don't really give them a chance and they're not treated fairly.

Anyway...


:24: I'm training to be a mommy at the moment so diapers don't freak me out anymore. However, I'm not too sure how I feel about adult diapers. Oh. Sorry to have brought it up again. :redface: BUT. Doesn't that situation speak volumes of the lenghts Charlie would go to for the band and his brother? I admire him for it to tell you the truth. Good point Ingrid. I think that was probably the whole point of that scene. To show the desperate situation Charlie was in.

Great to be in a place where Charlie is loved. :heart: Jack and Charlie are my favorite Lost boys and even if I try to ignore the negativity, sometimes I get the feeling people don't really give them a chance and they're not treated fairly.
They're my two favorites too. I get the impression that they're both very popular with mainstream viewers, even though they get slammed a lot on the boards. Maybe the naysayers are just jealous on behalf of their favorite characters. :rolleyes:

I know this probably isn't the thread for it, but my muse is beating me on the head to write another Chana fic. I was reading my other two fics and I felt like I needed another one about Charlie taking Ana's death.

I know this probably isn't the thread for it, but my muse is beating me on the head to write another Chana fic. I was reading my other two fics and I felt like I needed another one about Charlie taking Ana's death.

I understand how you feel. I had to do that too for some closure, that was why I wrote Loss (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/9384.html#cutid1). It sounds like you have a story inside that's screaming to get out. You should do it (I'd love to read it ;) ).

Are you on LJ by the way?

I have a Chana fic that I haven't finished yet because I was so bummed out when Ana died. Its just an epilogue but I can't bring myself to work on it.

I know this probably isn't the thread for it, but my muse is beating me on the head to write another Chana fic. I was reading my other two fics and I felt like I needed another one about Charlie taking Ana's death.
Oh, please do, Lost One!! :cool: Chana is the only ship I've ever really liked and there's hardly anything written for it.

Sadly i haven't seen Chana yet. But tonight im watching The Whole Truth(i'm behind). I just want to know does it have any Chana in it?

Sadly i haven't seen Chana yet. But tonight im watching The Whole Truth(i'm behind). I just want to know does it have any Chana in it? Yes. In the sense that Charlie and Ana have some scenes together. :rolleyes: It's not much, but they're entertaining.

It's actually the one episode that supports the whole Chana ship, the only time their two stars ever collide.

I understand how you feel. I had to do that too for some closure, that was why I wrote Loss (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/9384.html#cutid1). It sounds like you have a story inside that's screaming to get out. You should do it (I'd love to read it ;) ).

Are you on LJ by the way?

Yep I just got an account! Here's the link to my journal: http://cryomystic.livejournal.com/

Yep I just got an account! Here's the link to my journal: http://cryomystic.livejournal.com/

Great! I added you to my friends list. My user name is the same (pacejunkie.livejournal.com) or you can click my sig. Go ahead and friend me if you like then you'll get my updates on your friends page. I love the icon you use from The Hunting Party.

Thanks, I added you! I have a bunch of other Charlie icons that I hope to show off on LJ.\

ETA: I added another story of mine, while it's not Lost, it's HP and I concider it my best work yet. I'm still working on the Chana one!

I'm not a Chana fan, but I have to admit, some of the fanfics I've read are pretty good. I'm still a diehard Charlie/Claire shipper though.

I just seen The Whole Truth and im now starting to like Chana. The whole 'you looking at my bum?' thing was funny and entertaining.

So has anyone heard any new Charlie news? This thread has been quiet lately.

Not really. Anyone?

Maybe we should discuss all the things we liked about Charlie in season 2?

I liked his "What are you going to do? Hit me with your Jesus stick?" or something like that.

I liked the song that he came up with during his flashback.

. . .

Just got the TV Guide CD and it has a great Jack/Charlie scene in it from MOSMOF. Jack is checking out Charlie's head wound and Charlie's giving him advice about women (Kate, to be exact). It's awesome.

Is that the same scene they showed on Good Morning America? That sounds familiar. Has everyone seen the new promo pics up at Lost Media? The Charlie pic looks very cool.

Is that the same scene they showed on Good Morning America? That sounds familiar. Has everyone seen the new promo pics up at Lost Media? The Charlie pic looks very cool.

Yes..that's the same scene.

I love Charlie's shirt in his promo picture. Plus, Dom looks fantastic in them!

I'm liking the look in the promo picture. He looks mysterious...

I'm liking the look in the promo picture. He looks mysterious...

He looks teh hott!!! :thud:

I like the pic too. I hope we get more Charlie pics, info soon. We keep hearing a lot about J/K/S but next to nothing about Charlie.

Hey guys, OT as usual, I made an account at Fanfiction.net and posted my Chana stories. I've decided to continue And The Bottom Drops Out. Don't know for how long now, but there's definately a second chapter coming.

On Topic now, I hope we get some good Charlie spoilers too. They always seem to disregard him when they give out spoilers for the season. But something tells me he's going to have a good arc this season. Unfortunately I think his episode is probably going to be in the second half of the season again. I wish they would squeeze in two at least so we don't get over run with Jack and Locke FB's.

I would much prefer two Charlie stories over two Locke ones.

I just hope that whatever story they give Charlie, it's good. His episdoes are usally listed as some of the general least favorites around here. Personally, I liked The Moth (although the moth symbolism got kinda cheesy at the end) and Fire and Water. (I thought his flashbacks in Homecoming were kinda lacking something.) But, I'd really like to see something that surprises everyone and opens up a whole knew light to the character. It doesn't have to be jaw droping, like Locke in the wheelchair, but just something... good. Something to really talk about. You know what I mean? I'd like to see him get two next season, but I'd rather one really good one, than two mediocure ones.

I just hope that whatever story they give Charlie, it's good. His episdoes are usally listed as some of the general least favorites around here. Personally, I liked The Moth (although the moth symbolism got kinda cheesy at the end) and Fire and Water. (I thought his flashbacks in Homecoming were kinda lacking something.) But, I'd really like to see something that surprises everyone and opens up a whole knew light to the character. It doesn't have to be jaw droping, like Locke in the wheelchair, but just something... good. Something to really talk about. You know what I mean? I'd like to see him get two next season, but I'd rather one really good one, than two mediocure ones.

They may be the least favourites around here, but the internet fandom is just a tiny percentage of the average 18 million viewers that watch Lost. And among those folks, Charlie's episodes are among the most popular (they actually get better ratings than Sawyer's!). Schoff has done some amazing graphs and charts that demonstrate this, see here (http://blue-sunflowers.livejournal.com/1808.html#cutid1)and here (http://blue-sunflowers.livejournal.com/2481.html#cutid1). I don't think fuselage folk represent the average viewer that prefers character development to mythology. This may account for the shift in focus of Season three--effort to boost ratings among the masses possibly. That could only be good news for Charlie fans.

Okay, those are just fantastic graphs right there. I really appreciate the effort that person had to go through to produce them. I love that Charlie seems to retain a lot with the general audience! You hear that Lost people?! More Charlie!

They may be the least favourites around here, but the internet fandom is just a tiny percentage of the average 18 million viewers that watch Lost. And among those folks, Charlie's episodes are among the most popular (they actually get better ratings than Sawyer's!). Schoff has done some amazing graphs and charts that demonstrate this, see here (http://blue-sunflowers.livejournal.com/1808.html#cutid1)and here (http://blue-sunflowers.livejournal.com/2481.html#cutid1). I don't think fuselage folk represent the average viewer that prefers character development to mythology. This may account for the shift in focus of Season three--effort to boost ratings among the masses possibly. That could only be good news for Charlie fans.

I realise the pepole here do not reflect the majority, in fact it's the only thing that keeps me sane sometimes :) , I'm just saying I'd like something really surprising for his character and his story. The characters are what keep me coming back every week more than the mysteries, so believe me, I appreciate the character development episodes just as much or more than the island mysteries episodes, but his flashbacks have been almost the same thing over again, in my opinion. I mean, different stories, showing his addiction and his need to take care of people, which kind of in the end go together. I'd like to see something else. I'd like to see something that would shine a new light on the character. And something that would make even those who appreciate the island mysteries more (mostly the people around here) to appreciate him more too. So that his episodes and his character aren't so poorly rated amonst the fans that visit this site. And for me too :smile:

I think they opened up a new source of background information when they introduced his parents in the last flashback. That will likely be the subject of the next FB. I've heard people on the board say that they're tired of all the melodrama surrounding Charlie's character and they just want him to be funny and laid back again (like when he was on drugs, but without them). It all depends on which Charlie you prefer I guess. I like the drama and angst and I think the actors do too, it gives them a chance to show more range. Even Hurley got brought down last season. It was just a very dark season. They've said this new season will get lighter, so I'm hoping that will include Charlie and his issues as well.

...but his flashbacks have been almost the same thing over again, in my opinion...
I prefer it the way it is, just like Jack's. They're anything *but* the same. What they do is build on each other, using the other episodes as a basis (this is a technique used in education too). That's why Jack and Charlie come across to me as two of the most in-depth characters on the island--versus someone like Kate, Sayid, or Jin/Sun, whose episodes really are pretty much just random moments out of their lives.

I'm just saying I'd like something really surprising for his character and his story
I have a shocking moment I'd like to see, but know it won't happen. I'd like to find out he's Megan's real father, and not Liam. Like maybe Charlie was quietly in love with Karen, but had to watch Karen in love with Liam--but Liam being Liam set the stage for something...

It may be trite, but I think it would fit in perfectly with what we know of him, and what we saw in F+W. Lost does like to turn trite cliches up on their head, so I can definitely seeing them put some unique spin on it. I think it would also tie in with other stuff I suspect (or hope) out of Charlie's character that we haven't learned yet. But that's just me.

I've heard people on the board say that they're tired of all the melodrama surrounding Charlie's character and they just want him to be funny and laid back again (like when he was on drugs, but without them).
Bring him back to a 2-D sidekick? Heavens no. Keep Charlie Charlie. He does it all.

I love that Charlie seems to retain a lot with the general audience!
Charlie always looks good on paper. I'm always pleased when I see that in the graphs.

I prefer it the way it is, just like Jack's. They're anything *but* the same. What they do is build on each other, using the other episodes as a basis (this is a technique used in education too). That's why Jack and Charlie come across to me as two of the most in-depth characters on the island--versus someone like Kate, Sayid, or Jin/Sun, whose episodes really are pretty much just random moments out of their lives.

Great point. Actually Sawyer's eps build on each other too, but I could easily see someone arguing the same thing, that all they ever tell you is he's a conman with a heart of gold. They are all very similar just like Charlie's and Jack's.

I think people often miss the point of what the flashbacks are trying to achieve. TPTB set themselves up for this when they opened the series with flashbacks like Kate's and Locke's that had these surprising twists. Everyone expected the purpose of the flashbacks was to reveal some big OMG secret about the chartacer each time. It really isn't. The flashbacks are to show you an expierence from the character's past that relates to their present island experience, explaining their motivations and decisions. They help me understand why the characters do what they do on the island without the need for long exposition. They add depth and realism to the characters. The twists and surprises that occasionally pop up are just fun little things, like easter eggs in my opinion.



Bring him back to a 2-D sidekick? Heavens no. Keep Charlie Charlie. He does it all.


Oh I agree, just sharing some of the things I've heard. I liked funny, snarky Charlie, and I want to see some of that again, but not all the time.


Charlie always looks good on paper. I'm always pleased when I see that in the graphs.


You graphs are keeping me sane, schoff, the longer we go without another Charlie flashback.

TPTB set themselves up for this when they opened the series with flashbacks like Kate's and Locke's that had these surprising twists. Everyone expected the purpose of the flashbacks was to reveal some big OMG secret about the chartacer each time. It really isn't.
Now *that's* a good point!

The flashbacks are to show you an expierence from the character's past that relates to their present island experience, explaining their motivations and decisions. They help me understand why the characters do what they do on the island without the need for long exposition.
That's how I've always seen them too.

They add depth and realism to the characters.
Can I just say I feel sad when I hear the phrase "No one acts like this." I could not disagree more.

The twists and surprises that occasionally pop up are just fun little things, like easter eggs in my opinion.
Gimme a "W" "O" "R" "D"! Waddas that spellllllllll?

You graphs are keeping me sane, schoff, the longer we go without another Charlie flashback.
I aim to please you, pace. It's my sole goal in life. :biggrin:

I think people often miss the point of what the flashbacks are trying to achieve. TPTB set themselves up for this when they opened the series with flashbacks like Kate's and Locke's that had these surprising twists. Everyone expected the purpose of the flashbacks was to reveal some big OMG secret about the chartacer each time. It really isn't. The flashbacks are to show you an expierence from the character's past that relates to their present island experience, explaining their motivations and decisions. They help me understand why the characters do what they do on the island without the need for long exposition. They add depth and realism to the characters. The twists and surprises that occasionally pop up are just fun little things, like easter eggs in my opinion. l :heart: you. I prefer the character development episodes over the mythology ones... The mythology is nice but it's not what makes the show great, IMHO.

I have a shocking moment I'd like to see, but know it won't happen. I'd like to find out he's Megan's real father, and not Liam. Like maybe Charlie was quietly in love with Karen, but had to watch Karen in love with Liam--but Liam being Liam set the stage for something...

Call me weird but I like that ideah schoff. It's certainly plausible.

But yeah I like how Charlie's flashbacks intertwine with each other and 'grow' with each episode he gets.

That's not what I ment. Like I said, I don't want some jaw droping "what the heck just happened" moment, like Locke's wheelchaire scene, becuase that's just not as fitting with Charlie's character. I just want something new. Something that's not drugs and not 'needing to save someone'. I love the point of flashbacks and seeing where the characters are coming from when they do these things, I think they are what really makes Lost special and particuarly unique (as if it wasn't already). But I feel like after three eisodes showing it, we get that Charlie's a drug addict, we get that he needs to save people. What else is he about?
I don't want to be floored, becuase I love the fact that he (along with some of the other characters) is almost "normal", he don't have any huge not everyday thing about him (like sudden unparlaysis or being a murderer on the run for three years). There are (unfortunatly) so many people that can relate to that want to be liked and that feeling of worthlessness and all that, which is why I think he's such a well liked character... at least that's what really draws me to him. He's someone that's easier to relate to than some of the other characters. I love that and I don't want that to change with a "what!?" moment, I just want to see something else, on top of the drugs and desire to save, or something separate, I don't care, just more. I just think (and hope) there's more to the character and I'd like to see it.

And I am excited to learn about his family life... That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. What happened to his mom, what was he like as a kid/his relationship with Liam back then, why's he so scared of his father. That's an example of the kind of thing I want to see.

Gah, I feel like I rambled... sorry if I did. I just don't want you to think I'm unhappy with his flashbacks or the character or something, becuase I'm not, I just ment in that original post. I'd rather have one flashback this upcoming season that shows me something I didn't know about Charlie and helps me (and other viewers who aren't as much into him) understand him better, than something that tells me the same thing I already know. It can bulid on those things we know, or further develop them, but just something new.

Charlie was mentioned in this new interview with Damon. Here is the link: http://www.eonline.com/Insider/Boards/ann.jspa?annID=659

CHARLIE/ALTERED STATES

JG: Charlie--he's big on the altered states. You know, he's heroin-addiction guy--
DL: He turns into a monkey at night--
JG: Spoiler!
DL: And runs down the streets of San Diego. That's Altered States. Oddly enough, he makes a reference to Altered States in episode two this season.
JG: I have no idea what we're talking about at this point.
DL: Me either.
JG: I guess it's a movie?
DL: You've never seen the movie Altered States?
JG: I just know it as the phrase.
DL: It's genius. William Hurt. It's the greatest movie ever. He basically goes into a sensory-deprivation tank, doing all sorts of psychotropic experiments, and he devolves into an ape.
JG: So it's like The Fly. But with mammals. But different.
DL: You gotta see it. It's awesome. You have to go see Altered States. Rent it.
JG: I will, I'll put it in Netflix queue.
DL: Kristin would be disappointed that you haven't. I'm going to tell on you.
JG: That's fine. I'm in trouble with her all the time anyway.
DL: Okay.
JG: Heroin. Kind of seeming crazy in the finale. Is this a theme going forward or was [Charlie] just a little shellshocked from being in a horrible hatch explosion?
DL: I think whether or not Charlie is straight or using is an ongoing question for not only the fans to decipher, but more importantly, for the woman he loves. I, for one, am rooting for him. I hope he's not using.

Vague Charlie news is better than none. I'm glad Charlie discussions are finally happening.

Does that quote by Damon mean that Charlie mentions the movie Altered States in episode 2? At least we know Charlie is at least in that episode.

Damon could have been joking about that movie reference. The whole interview exchange is a little odd. But the second episode is Claire-centric so Charlie will definitely be in it and they will pick up where they last left off. I'm excited for the premiere but I'm even more excited for episode 2. I'm almost positive Charlie won't be in the premiere.

I'm still hopeing .. probably in vain for some Charlie in the first episode. At least one scene adressing whats going on at the beach camp. Though it's nice to know that he'll most likely be present in a Claire eppy this time... unlike last time ..*twitches*

So I know lots of you are spending some quality time with your DVD set, but I figured we could talk about Fire and Water: An Anatomy of an Episode since it's Charlie and all.

I don't know if the following can be considered a spoiler, so I'll put it in spoiler font just in case.

I knew that they do ADR after they film, but you know the part where Charlie and Liam are singing by the piano? You know how when they filmed that with the actors they were just lip syncning? I may be dumb (or maybe it's my sickness affecting my brain *sniff*), but is that still Dom singing? Or is it another person? It sounds like him still, so I figured I'd ask.

So what are your favorite parts about this segment?

Concerning the F+W segement..I thought it was interesting what Terry O'Quinn said about why Locke punched Charlie. It wasn't to protect Claire or to teach him a lesson like so many thought. Locke was angry (probably because he was losing faith in the island ) and Charlie was just a 'target of opportunity'.

Also interesting was the way they scoured the island looking for things that looked "English'. I'm waiting for our British friends to tell us if they suceeded or not! :D

I don't know if that was Dom and Neil singing or not.

I wish they would have told us if that was Dom's voice. I thought it was.

I thought it was interesting to learn that the house they used for the Pace family was the same house as Malkin the psychic's in RBA.

Also, if you freezeframe on the white board in the writer's room, you can read the very different ideas they had for the episode initially. The dreamback first revolved around Charlie playing piano to cover the noise of his parents' arguing, then it is actually Locke playing the piano and the baby is crying and blood seeps out the keys. There is some great insight into the Eko/Charlie scene about the Charlie/John the Baptist parallel and a really cutting and harsh scene with Charlie and Claire where instead of freaking out, Charlie calmly asks Claire to baptize the baby, he says he doesn't even have to be there and if she will do this, he will stay out of her life. Claire responds by saying that Charlie is already out of her life. He's described as "crushed".

Really interesting stuff.

There was also a scene in the script where it shows Claire asking Locke to wear the 'bjorn' thing that Charlie made...and it cuts him to the heart. I don't think that was even filmed though..

I'm sort of glad they didn't use those scenes! Some Charlie lovers would be out for Claire's blood! I mean its one thing to look out for your baby..its another thing to be just plain mean and thoughtless!

I WISH that they would an episode where Claire wants to get back with Charlie and he is the one who needs 'space' and she reflects on the positve things he's done for her... but I doubt that will happen.

I'm sort of glad they didn't use those scenes! Some Charlie lovers would be out for Claire's blood! I mean its one thing to look out for your baby..its another thing to be just plain mean and thoughtless!

Yeah, I can understand why they didn't do it the way it was described. If he was acting all reasonable and she just dissed him you would have hated her. Instead, they made it seem justified for Claire to stay away from him because he was acting crazy and freaking her out.

Hey Pacejunkie. I read your latest fanfic. I liked it.:smile:

Can I join the Charlie's Angels too ?? :)

Hey Pacejunkie. I read your latest fanfic. I liked it.:smile:

Thanks. :blush:

Welcome Morry. We love meeting new Charlie fans.

Welcome to the board and our group, Morry! :D

Can I join the Charlie's Angels too ?? :)
Welcome Morry to the board and the group!!:biggrin:

Did everyone see the new season 3 promo with Charlie and Claire in the jungle? Charlie's wearing that white shirt from the promo pics. You know the one with all the writing on it.

Did everyone see the new season 3 promo with Charlie and Claire in the jungle? Charlie's wearing that white shirt from the promo pics. You know the one with all the writing on it.


Yes, it's really cool and creepy. Just so everyone knows though, he doesn't wear that shirt in the show, it's a staged promo probably done the same day they shot the pics.

Did everyone see the new season 3 promo with Charlie and Claire in the jungle? Charlie's wearing that white shirt from the promo pics. You know the one with all the writing on it.

I sure did see that promo! Fantastic.

I just hope we get to see plenty of Charlie this season. Cool shirt or not.

Just thought the Charlie fans might want to know that Dom is scheduled to be on Conan OBrien on October 4. For those of you who are real nightowls.

Just thought the Charlie fans might want to know that Dom is scheduled to be on Conan OBrien on October 4. For those of you who are real nightowls.
and still excited of how great season 3 episode 1 was!

And still more good news Angels. New promo shows Charlie in the jungle with Locke in a scene that is presumably from episode 2.
Is it October 11th yet?

I haven't seen that promo yet. I'll keep my eyes open.
Also, has anyone seen the season 2 dvd special features? The feature on Fire and Water was very cool. I watched it tonight.

And still more good news Angels. New promo shows Charlie in the jungle with Locke in a scene that is presumably from episode 2.
Is it October 11th yet?

I had to do a search on YouTube, but yes, I saw that!

Yay for Charlie being in the jungle with Locke!! I guess this means their stance on each other has changed? I know in the season two finale Charlie was trying to help Locke, but he was having none of it. Looks like he's willing to have Charlie around now.

Lots of Charlie in the new promo pics, could we be any happier? :)

Very happy. Hopefully TPTB are taking notice of the concerns Charlie fans had last year over his lack of screentime.:)

Hey guys. I was just wondering if anybody knows what happened to Dom's appearance on Conan last night? He was scheduled up until yesterday and then wasn't on. He had been in NY because he was on Regis Tuesday. I was just wondering if anybody heard anything.

Hey guys. I was just wondering if anybody knows what happened to Dom's appearance on Conan last night? He was scheduled up until yesterday and then wasn't on. He had been in NY because he was on Regis Tuesday. I was just wondering if anybody heard anything.

No idea but I would love to find out. He was on Regis tuesday and then walking around Soho later that same day where someone snapped a bunch of pics of him, and then a no-show for Conan. Seemed like a last minute cancellation, but we may never find out why. I hope he's at least back in hawaii now and filming again. I can pass on chat shows if it means he's actually working and getting some screentime.

I LOVE CHARLIE< CUTEST GUY ON LOST! I wanna be one of Charlie's Angels , PLEASE!

Welcome aboard llamalover! There is always room for more angels. I agree Pace, hopefully the last minute Conan cancellation meant an earlier call back to Hawaii for more screentime. We can only hope.

Did anyone catch Dom on The Rachel Ray Show? I'm at school and won't get the chance to see it. Hopefully, by the time I get home someone will have it online. *crosses fingers*

HAPPY LOST DAY!! We get to see Charlie tonight yay!

I saw it. Rachel tends to talk too much but when she let Dom get a word in he was great. He talked about surfing mostly and also his two year stint working as a saute chef in Manchester. They connected a bit with their restaraunt stories so that was good. It was a long interview (much better than Regis) and he showed her how to balance on a little practice board. It was good. I checked Lost-Media for the download but it's not there yet.

Yes..it was fluffy but MUCH better than the Regis and Kelly one.

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Can I join the Charlie's Angels too??? :63:
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Welcome aboard! I thought the Raechal Ray interview was good. It is up at Lost-Media now. How great was Charlie tonight. I loved that snarky Charlie was back. I hope we see more of that this year.

That was more Charlie screentime than my wildest dreams had hoped for in a non-Charlie centric ep. Very nice. Loved his snark. Great performance by Dom. I liked how Charlie told Locke he detested him and why. I liked how he threw the drugs issue back in his face and I liked how he let down his guard slowly and they connecting again by the episode's end.

Charlie was great in this episode.!! I love the snark.

Although my heart sank a little bit when I saw him recoil from Locke at the beginning of the episode. He's still scared of him (for good reasons). I remember in the 23rd Psalm, Charlie didn't recoil from Eko when he confronted him.

Although my heart sank a little bit when I saw him recoil from Locke at the beginning of the episode. He's still scared of him (for good reasons).

I saw that, too. Poor Charlie.

There was so much Charlie in this episode, I was in heaven. He had so many good one lines and was involved in a jungle trek and oh, it was wonderful. I hope this continues. :biggrin:

Although my heart sank a little bit when I saw him recoil from Locke at the beginning of the episode. He's still scared of him (for good reasons). I remember in the 23rd Psalm, Charlie didn't recoil from Eko when he confronted him.

I actually laughed when that happened. Locke just doesn't appreciate his sense of humour the way we do. ;) He may not have recoiled from Eko but Eko came a lot closer to beating the crap out of him. Charlie has that effect on people. Even Claire. :biggrin: Gotta love him.

So, will Charlie show up in the next eppy, or will it be totally J/K/S and the others again?

So, will Charlie show up in the next eppy, or will it be totally J/K/S and the others again?

Don't know, but by the episode description it looks like the scenes will be split between Otherville and the beach. Desmond is mentioned as building something, so unless it gets cut there will be some beach scenes. I'm hoping for at least one or two scenes with Charlie but after last week I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get much. I feel like we shot our load for the mini-season. But episode 5 is Eko and that looks promising.

It will be a long wait for the longer season if we get so little Charlie in the miniseason.

Charlie's appearance in tonight's episode was brief, but at least he got the best line: We've got to get this guy a new button to push.(paraphrased).

Charlie's appearance in tonight's episode was brief, but at least he got the best line: We've got to get this guy a new button to push.(paraphrased).

Haha. I loved that line so much!

Think Charlie is recognizing Desmond's behavior? I think so. That look at the end and all.

Charlie's appearance in tonight's episode was brief, but at least he got the best line: We've got to get this guy a new button to push.(paraphrased).
haha that's class! So love Charlie's one liners lol.

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Yes, Charlie has AMAZING one liners. Even though they don't make up for all the lost screentime.

Yes, Charlie has AMAZING one liners. Even though they don't make up for all the lost screentime.

or a decent storyline. :frown: I'd rather he lose some of the snark and get involved in a plot with more depth.