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pacejunkie

11-28-2006, 10:25 PM

One problem with the lack of Charlie flashbacks is that people watch him and don't understand and soon a whole season goes by and they never got to understand why he did something. So, people stay angry at him. It's amazing to see Season 1 again and how much he's a part of it all.

You're right about that. I usually find a lot of the hate comes from misunderstanding his character, his motivations, etc. and unfortunately the writers haven't done a great job of making that clearer. I guess on the one hand they like the ambiguity and to leave things up to the interpretation of the viewer but it can also be frustrating when you see people start to hate a character because they just don't get him, misreading everything he does and why. Sometimes I wish they would spell it out for their sakes and for ours! ;)

I don't know why Charlie's so hard for so many viewers to figure out without subtitles, you know? Maybe understanding each character is based on our own unique experiences and some people understand and sympathize with Charlie for example while others do the same with Locke, or Jack, depending on where you come from.

I miss that season one level of involvement he had. When I think back on it, it makes me insane. After the heroin story arc from The Pilot to The Moth, he had a nice 'get close to Claire' B Plot in Confidence Man leading into the Claire/Ethan story arc that spanned over seven episodes from RBA to Homecoming, with every ep in between touching on the story in some way, even if it was just a small scene like in Hearts and Minds. The continuity was awesome. In Season two we didn't get a story arc like that for any character for more than 2 or 3 episodes and Charlie had practically no story continuity at all. Maybe you could say 23rd Psalm to The Long Con was a mini 4 episode arc, but two of those episodes he had a pretty insignificant contribution other than behind the scenes (eg, the Sun attack). It wasn't the same.

Captain_Falafel

11-29-2006, 05:37 AM

I was watching the episode (Exodus, I think) where Charlie leaves Claire on the beach to with Danielle to get Sayid and Danielle abducts Aaron. Charlie then comes back and "attacks" Sayid saying it was his fault. Knowing how Charlie takes the responsibility of Claire and Aaron to heart, the scene is a perfect example of how Charlie tends to blaim others for the faults he sees in himself. Thanks for bringing it up. ;) I actually laughed out loud when he hit Sayid. It was so obvious.

You might say that Charlie's self-punishment continued after that - going with Sayid on the marathon rescue run after Aaron and then allowing Sayid to cauterise his head wound (ouch! can't think of that scene without wincing). There were times when Sayid was telling him to go back or to rest before he collapsed, but Charlie would rather put himself through pains.

But yeah, it is another good example of Charlie doing that. And you notice everyone always responds by throttling him? :) Poor Charlie. I wonder if he'll ever learn to just say I screwed up, my bad.

Didn't he do this at one point in Homecoming? I think he tells Jack he feels it was his fault Ethan took Claire because he should have been protecting her. At the time it was like Charlie had worked himself into a state and just blurted out his true feelings. Shows how much self-loathing he must have to blame himself for Claires kidnap - that really wasn't his fault!

pacejunkie

11-29-2006, 07:30 AM

You might say that Charlie's self-punishment continued after that - going with Sayid on the marathon rescue run after Aaron and then allowing Sayid to cauterise his head wound (ouch! can't think of that scene without wincing). There were times when Sayid was telling him to go back or to rest before he collapsed, but Charlie would rather put himself through pains.

I never thought of the entire trek as a form of self punishment but you're right. In a way you could say that about the way he pushed Eko's buttons on the trek to the drug plane. I think he felt so guilty inside about hiding the drugs and lying to Claire (althought verbally he blamed Eko for Claire and his brother for the drugs) he kept pushing Eko with his snark and his lies probably hoping somewhere inside that Eko would beat him up.

Didn't he do this at one point in Homecoming? I think he tells Jack he feels it was his fault Ethan took Claire because he should have been protecting her. At the time it was like Charlie had worked himself into a state and just blurted out his true feelings. Shows how much self-loathing he must have to blame himself for Claires kidnap - that really wasn't his fault!

"It was my fault he took her--I was responsible, I should have taken care of her....."

Sounds like he's taking responsibility, right? But no, and you hit on the reason why--this was an interesting bit of sleight of hand on Charlie's part, although I don't believe he's aware he's doing it. People with real flaws they're not taking responsibility for often own up to things that they really have no control over in order to distract from the things in their lives they should be owning up to. Charlie has plenty of things that he could own up to (his drug use and lying among the largest, but there's also his jealousy and insecurity), but instead he blames others for those things and tells Jack he was responsible to protect Claire from Ethan and he failed. I believe he really thinks that, but he's deluding himelf. By turning all of his personal problems into a responsibility to protect Claire and Aaron, it deflects the unwanted attention from himself, giving him something else to focus on.

It's something I think he's still doing by the way. He had a right to be angry at Locke for hitting him, but Charlie's not owning up to the actions that led to Locke doing that. He thinks it was all about ther heroin, or at least that's what he tells himself. At the same time, he's still being uber-protective of Claire, as we saw with the Desmond scenes. I'd like to see him take more responsibility for the real issues in his life and when that happens, I believe his overwhelming need to take care of Claire and Aaron will fall away. It's like how "saving the baby" became a substitute for saving himself. Locke even said it in F+W. They really spelled it out for you in that episode.

Captain_Falafel

11-29-2006, 08:26 AM

pacejunkie

11-29-2006, 08:42 AM

I like all this psycho-analysis of Charlie! It is so true about the Locke thing. When Charlie was making his snark comments about Lockes "zero tollerance policy" about drugs - I was thinking, no Charlie, it was the lying and the baby stealing that made Locke hit you.

Exactly. I would imagine Charlie also blames his attack on Sun on Locke. And yes, psycho-analyzing Charlie is very fun. He's a text book case. :)

Going back to Sayid (any excuse! :grin:) I just wanted to say I really like how Sayid handles Charlie in Exodus. He won't put up with any of Charlies crap, but at the same time Sayid doesn't belittle and patronise Charlie like some of his other big brother figures (like Jack and Locke). I like the respect Sayid has for Charlie - I think he is one of the few people who recognises and understands Charlies fierce need to protect Claire and Aaron. You can see this in the scene where Charlie shoots Ethan - everyone else has their faces screwed up in horror and confusion, but Sayid is staring at Charlie with this look of solemn respectful understanding (the same kind of look he gives Michael when he guesses what he has done). This leads nicely into Sayids counciling of Charlie. In all their scenes together I love that Sayid doesn't talk down to Charlie like most other characters do. The scene at the end of 'One of Them' for example when Sayid lets Charlie in on the Henry Gale secret (during a time when Charlie was a very lowly outsider). I keep hoping the Sayid/Charlie friendship will be developed further, but I get the impression they won't be interacting much in S3.

I agree with you about Sayid. I think the reason may be is that Sayid himself has been around the block a few times more than the others have. He understands things like war, violence, revenge in a way that Jack and Locke in their comfortable existences simply can't. Anyone else who experiences those things and lives to tell about them gains Sayid's respect. I think he understood what Charlie did more than anyone else, even Claire. I think Charlie's determination not to go back to the beach without Aaron only made Sayid respect him more, which was partly why when Ana wanted to talk to Sayid alone about Henry, Sayid said Charlie could stay, and he included him on the balloon trek.

Captain_Falafel

11-29-2006, 09:23 AM

YellowTang

11-29-2006, 10:36 AM

I like all this psycho-analysis of Charlie! It is so true about the Locke thing. When Charlie was making his snark comments about Lockes "zero tollerance policy" about drugs - I was thinking, no Charlie, it was the lying and the baby stealing that made Locke hit you.

Actually, Locke was taking out his frustrations on Charlie. I don't feel like he deserved it that time. I don't think Charlie thought so either that time. The Fire + Water commentary in the Season 2 box set is a great view. It really gave me insight into Charlie and his actions.. plus I love watching Dom. ;)
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Going back to Sayid (any excuse! :grin:) I just wanted to say I really like how Sayid handles Charlie in Exodus. He won't put up with any of Charlies crap, but at the same time Sayid doesn't belittle and patronise Charlie like some of his other big brother figures (like Jack and Locke). I like the respect Sayid has for Charlie - I think he is one of the few people who recognises and understands Charlies fierce need to protect Claire and Aaron. You can see this in the scene where Charlie shoots Ethan - everyone else has their faces screwed up in horror and confusion, but Sayid is staring at Charlie with this look of solemn respectful understanding (the same kind of look he gives Michael when he guesses what he has done). This leads nicely into Sayids counciling of Charlie. In all their scenes together I love that Sayid doesn't talk down to Charlie like most other characters do. The scene at the end of 'One of Them' for example when Sayid lets Charlie in on the Henry Gale secret (during a time when Charlie was a very lowly outsider). I keep hoping the Sayid/Charlie friendship will be developed further, but I get the impression they won't be interacting much in S3.

Nice observations! I'm going to have to watch these two closer. :)

pacejunkie

11-29-2006, 10:53 AM

Thought of another example! The time when Charlie snarking at Ana that she can't have the gun because last time she had one she "murdered someone". Very interest and ironic comment from Charlie considering Sayid said a similar thing to him. And just for the record Charlie, Ana shot Shannon ACCIDENTLY!! His own shooting of Ethan was more an act of murder. He never describes as such - prefering to say "I killed a murder" - but maybe this comment to Ana reveals he knows deep down what he did and possibly even regrets more than he lets on.

Another example yet: How about Charlie telling Locke that Claire needs to learn responsibility. Locke's perfect response? "Well that's an interesting thing to say......for a heroin addict." Pwned! That's a good example of Charlie having no clue of the irony of his own accusations, like your Ana example. (Except with that one I have to side with Charlie. He may have been projecting his own feelings onto Ana and has guilt, but I do agree he killed a murderer. I think to Charlie he feels he is better equipped to handle a gun because he meant to do what he did. Someone who shoots someone accidentally is more dangerous with a weapon and I agree.)

Actually, Locke was taking out his frustrations on Charlie. I don't feel like he deserved it that time. I don't think Charlie thought so either that time.

That may be true, and I'm not saying Locke was justified in how he dealt with the situation, but strictly from Charlie's end he has things there to atone for. He was not the 100% innocent he tells himself he was.

Captain_Falafel

11-29-2006, 12:23 PM

Nice observations! I'm going to have to watch these two closer. :)

Seeing as Sayid and Charlie are my two favourite Losties I would love to see their friendship developed. They were actually two of the first Losties to make friends in the Pilot. I hope if or when Sayid takes on the Others he recruits Charlie - not that I want either of them in danger, but they both have an axe to grinde with the Others and I'd like to see them fighting back.

lostfan4ever

12-05-2006, 01:26 AM

pacejunkie

12-05-2006, 08:27 AM

Well guys. It looks like most of us missed Dom's appearance on Craig Ferguson on December 1. I just found out about it today. If anyone knows if its online and could provide a link, that would be great.

We're all looking for one. all the best sources are out there looking for this too. Seems he was an unscheduled guest and no one knew about it. Shame. Hopefully it will be rerun soon.

LadyMerenwen298

12-05-2006, 11:46 AM

I know! I keep hoping that Craig's site would at least have the funny sketch he did, but nope. And YouTube isn't helping either. I hope it comes out of the darkness of the internet soon.

CharliesHoodie

12-05-2006, 04:24 PM

Wow, i never even heard about that...and I'm the Dom-crazzy obsessed chick.

pacejunkie

12-05-2006, 04:43 PM

Wow, i never even heard about that...and I'm the Dom-crazzy obsessed chick.

I thought that was me. ;)

The ironic thing was that we had a power outage friday night and I was planning to catch Elijah on Kimmel (I knew about that appearance). I missed it, consoling myself with the knowledge that it would probably turn up on YouTube (it did) and saying further, "Well at least it wasn't Dom I missed." Wouldn't you know I get back online Sunday after the outage and found out Dom was on Ferguson that same night. I wanted to scream. :frown:

elfdream

12-05-2006, 06:21 PM

I thought we were supposed to know where Dom was at all times. We're really falling down on the job!

:D

lostfan4ever

12-06-2006, 01:09 AM

Yeah. It sounds like Dom was on at the last second. I really hope the show is rerun soon. Maybe we should check Craig's website Christmas week. Don't most talk shows show reruns that week? Anyway, we can hope.

Captain_Falafel

12-07-2006, 10:54 AM

Hey guys! I just completed my new Charlie/Desmond/Hurley fic. I thought some of you might want to check it out - beware of spoilers though!!

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3274577/1/

pacejunkie

12-15-2006, 02:27 PM

A little bird told me that Falafel has another new fic. ;)

Captain_Falafel

12-15-2006, 02:53 PM

Cheers, Pace! Just pimping my new fic on this thread because it is Charlie-centric (with dashes of Locke, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley and Sayid). It is an AU story based around 'The Long Con'. Charlie gets rumbled. Dark angsty stuff. 1st of a 3 parter.

Heres your link - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3290147/1/

pacejunkie

12-15-2006, 03:53 PM

I love this insight CF:

Charlie was the first person Locke had bonded with on the island. Personally Locke felt like their connection had started before then…he thought it started the first time listened to his Driveshaft CDs. Music appreciation had been an important escape for him during his wheelchair-bound years. Locke had always considered Driveshaft to be an underrated band and he knew Charlie was their chief songwriter. When Locke had met Charlie he thought it was his destiny to help him with his drug problem, just like Charlie’s music had once helped him.

I never made that connection before but it's very possible. It gives another level of explanation why Locke felt he had to help Charlie overcome his addiction. Great first chapter! Charlie's in trouble isn't he? *rubs hands together* I'm so evil....

cylune

12-15-2006, 04:59 PM

Captain_Falafel

12-15-2006, 05:47 PM

Great first chapter! Charlie's in trouble isn't he? *rubs hands together* I'm so evil....

Yeah, Charlie's in trouble...and it's down to the three leaders who don't agree on anything to sort the trouble out. It's going to get a bit messy.

lostfan4ever

12-16-2006, 03:12 AM

Lovin it. Its better Charlie stuff than we have seen on the show lately.

Captain_Falafel

12-22-2006, 10:59 AM

The next chapter of 'One of our own' in now online!
Heres a link for any Charlie fans who were reading it -

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3290147/2/

I'm hoping to get the last chapter - that is, the Sayid chapter - done before Xmas. Thanks a million to Pace who really helped me with the editing of this chapter and gave me some great advice.

Enjoy Charlie angst fans!

lostfan4ever

12-31-2006, 01:07 AM

Any Charlie is great. Thanks for the Charlie fix.

Tigerlily1647

12-31-2006, 08:45 PM

Captain_Falafel

01-01-2007, 10:49 AM

Captain, I have to make my compliments here since it wouldn't let me on fanfiction.net. I absolutely loved that story! I think Sayid's chapter was my favorite. I absolutely love those two's interactions with each other. I loved the way you wrote Sayid's reaction, and the way he handled Charlie. But I also loved Jack and Locke's chapters as well. I think you nailed those characters right on the head as well. I had never really thought about that Locke/Eddy connection, but that's good and makes perfect sense. Absolutely loved it! :smile: I'm sad it's over, because I really enjoyed it, but I look forward reading more from you!

Thank you so much for your feedback! :biggrin: I really enjoyed writing the Charlie/Sayid chapter. I love them together too. They are my two favourite Losties by far. You'll be pleased to hear I'm now concentrating all my fanfic energies on my Chayid passion. I've got two more Charlie/Sayid centric stories in the works. Hey, I'm not getting paid for it so I may as well indulge myself!

Both my Chayid fics will be AU stories. One is set around 'Homecoming' and looks at what might have happened if Charlie had NOT shot Ethan and Sayid had a chance to interrogate him. The second is set around 'Lockdown' and looks at what might have happened to Charlie and Sayid if they WERE ambushed. Watch this space...

lostfan4ever

01-08-2007, 01:04 AM

I hope to read more soon Captain.

Captain_Falafel

01-08-2007, 04:36 AM

I hope to read more soon Captain.

You might not have to wait to long.;) I've got a little C&C ficlet that is nearly finished. It's actually a sequal to 'Something in the Air' if anybody enjoyed that story. Only this time the story has a Claire POV rather than a Desmond POV.

lovelost4815162342

01-13-2007, 12:46 PM

HEy guys. Just wannna become one of the Charlies Angels! Ever since the first epiisode of lost i saw, i have said "what an adorable, funny guy!", I have been rooting for him and claire since the beggining. He has such a caring personality and i know he would do ANYTHING for claire or aaron. Sure, he may have had troubles earlier on but he overcame them. That is what i love about him. Andi have a little nickname for him:
My adorable little brittish ex-druggy wanna be rock star.
In my opinion he is not a wanna be though. :-) HEs the best. Well anyway thats how i describe him when my friends ask "hey carrie, on that show your obsessed with, whos your favorite character?" I tell them and htey ask me to describe the characters. Sot hats how i describe Charlie!:charlie:

lostfan4ever

01-14-2007, 02:15 AM

Welcome aboard. There's always room for more Charlie fans.

LadyMerenwen298

01-14-2007, 11:43 AM

Welcome lovelost4815162342! :biggrin:

lovelost4815162342

01-14-2007, 02:52 PM

Thanks! Im so glad people still love charlie so much cuz iv been talking to quite a few people (on forums and not) and they keep sayign that theyr starting to not love charlie as much and that hes getting old. and im just like "where are the people who agree with ME!" and then i found them :-)

lostfan4ever

01-23-2007, 01:39 AM

We are definitely here. Seems like we've been posting more in other threads lately though. By the way, Dom is scheduled on the Jimmy Kimmel show on 2/6.

pacejunkie

01-23-2007, 08:14 AM

Just want to let everyone know that we've started a Let Charlie Live list (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1345502#post1345502) over in the character forum. Please pop over, cut and paste the list to your post and add your name on if you have not yet done so. Thanks!

lovelost4815162342

01-23-2007, 10:22 AM

LadyMerenwen298

01-24-2007, 07:28 PM

lovelost4815162342

01-25-2007, 02:19 PM

i SOOOOOO signed that list dude!

YellowTang

01-25-2007, 02:27 PM

I asked to be signed up long ago and I have no number! :confused:

I was thinking today how much I am dying for a Charlie flashback with his father in it. I wouldn't mind seeing his mum either seeing that they seemed to have a special connection. Well, one can only hope. ;)

lovelost4815162342

01-25-2007, 03:04 PM

I asked to be signed up long ago and I have no number! :confused:

)

signed up on the let charlie live? cuz that one you just add yourself copy and paste...
100%
or did ya mean HERE? Im not on the list eather :-( But its not about the number to me...its about hte spirit! but i would love a number! :charlie:

pacejunkie

01-25-2007, 03:07 PM

I asked to be signed up long ago and I have no number! :confused:

If you mean the Charlie's Angels list then send a PM to Rock Goddess and she'll add you. She doesn't check in here as often as she used to.

YellowTang

01-25-2007, 03:19 PM

signed up on the let charlie live? cuz that one you just add yourself copy and paste...
100%
or did ya mean HERE? Im not on the list eather :-( But its not about the number to me...its about hte spirit! but i would love a number!

Of course I signed that. ;) And Pace, I did send a PM, I guess I'll just have to wait.

pacejunkie

01-25-2007, 03:26 PM

Of course I signed that. ;) And Pace, I did send a PM, I guess I'll just have to wait.

If she's not on anymore you could ask a mod to do it.

lovelost4815162342

01-25-2007, 04:49 PM

i sent her a pm too...i hope she comes and adds me!

pacejunkie

01-26-2007, 07:56 AM

I wrote a dark little C/C fic and I'm here to pimp it: Winter (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/16878.html?view=117998)

lovelost4815162342

01-26-2007, 06:49 PM

I wrote a dark little C/C fic and I'm here to pimp it: Winter (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/16878.html?view=117998)

omg that was so sweet! Just adorable and what i wish would happen (not including the weather problem...). I especially liked the lines

"Adapt to what?.....Living in the bloody Ice Age?"
and
"Claire realized that as long as they had eachother, they had warmth."

that made me realize how much they NEED to be together. Ok if they are not like TOGETHER TOGETHER (not saying they need a "relations" scene, but they need some sign that they are officially together) then i will be mad! Though i will never stop watching, i would be very sad if either they never got together or something bad happened to one of them before they confessed their true love for eachother!

lostfan4ever

01-28-2007, 01:45 AM

Really nice fan fic Pace! I wouldn't mind seeing a storyline like that.

pacejunkie

01-28-2007, 01:12 PM

Really nice fan fic Pace! I wouldn't mind seeing a storyline like that.

Oh, so you're a sadist like me then, huh? :biggrin: It's nice to know I'm not the only one with twisted tastes. ;)

lostfan4ever

01-30-2007, 12:48 AM

I love the intense stuff as long as it turns out ok in the end. By the way, when will we get a Charlie flashback? Its been forever.

lovelost4815162342

01-30-2007, 01:18 AM

I love the intense stuff as long as it turns out ok in the end.

ya i know. its good if its alright in the end. I must say though- fire and water made me really scaredd for charlie so i didnt really like that one as much

lostfan4ever

02-15-2007, 02:00 AM

After tonight's eppy, I thought it was time to reestablish some Charlie talk. What would everyone like to see happen for Charlie in response? We will have to spoiler font for a few days but: I would like to see Charlie be more bold knowing that he can't put anything off anymore. And I hope he finds a way to change this so-called fate. I don't want Charlie to die.:frown:

Captain_Falafel

02-15-2007, 03:18 AM

Is it me or has this thread title suddenly become cruelly ironic?

CHARLIE FANS! Please come and contribute to this thread = Charlie's Life Support!

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1377566#post1377566

LadyMerenwen298

02-15-2007, 08:45 AM

.....

Well, last night's episode totally made me cry at the end. Sad and pathetic, I know. Charlie is my fave chracter and I don't want him to die. :frown: But, um, I guess I would like to see him more bold when it comes to many things on the island. It should be interesting how this all turns out, I guess.

Call_Me_Allison

02-15-2007, 10:21 PM

cylune

02-15-2007, 10:45 PM

So who else is excited beyond belief that Charlie acctually has an IMPORTANT story line this year? Charlie. Screen time. (with Desmond... and angst) YES.

Also do you think Charlie was acctually a street musician in London at any point in time or that was just all in Desmonds head? (Hopes for a pre-Driveshaft FB eppy for Charlie) Yay for an important storyline! We've been waiting since the middle of season 1!!!:mad:

I think Charlie may have been there when Desmond first 'lived' those moments but I'm sure he didn't speak to him and I'm sure Charlie wouldn't remember Desmond. Maybe we'll learn in Charlie FB episode why he was in London in front of the Widmore building? That would be nice!

lovelost4815162342

02-15-2007, 11:23 PM

AW im So excited about the screen time. He needs it-he is such an amazing character. HE is in my locket :)

lostfan4ever

02-16-2007, 01:58 AM

I am also happy to see a good storyline for Charlie. Its about time! More Charlie please.

Dezdmona

02-16-2007, 08:19 AM

As Desmond approached Charlie, the lines he was singing were from the Oasis song Wonderwall:

Because maybe,
You're gonna be the one who saves me?

:39:

I don't think Charlie is Destined to Die (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1377158#post1377158)...(yet).
(see my post in another thread) :3:

LadyMerenwen298

02-16-2007, 10:19 AM

I am happy for more Charlie screen time! I will be watching with bated breathe though every time Lost comes on.

Tigerlily1647

02-18-2007, 02:12 AM

I'm also really excited about this new story line and can't wait for it to play out (hopefully with a happy ending)

But I feel so bad for him as well. Like others have said, I can't imagine what must be going through his head... I was going through Lost-media's collection of screen caps for the episode and came across this one....
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=815
....Poor boy looks so scared. I can't wait to see a more full reaction on this news!

LadyMerenwen298

02-18-2007, 11:00 AM

But I feel so bad for him as well. Like others have said, I can't imagine what must be going through his head... I was going through Lost-media's collection of screen caps for the episode and came across this one....
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=815
....Poor boy looks so scared. I can't wait to see a more full reaction on this news!

Gah. He does look so scared. Poor Charlie.

pacejunkie

02-18-2007, 12:53 PM

Captain_Falafel

02-18-2007, 07:35 PM

I love going through those caps because it's just further evidence of Dom's incredible acting skills. It goes by quickly on screen but if you look at the caps from beginning to end in that scene and you see the range of emotions he goes through as he listens to Desmond, from confusion, to disbelief, to denial, to shock, to fear...it's all there. He's amazing.

His nervous laugh when Desmond tells him that he drowned just kills me. Like for a moment he thinks it is a joke and the realisation slowly sinks in. Ian and Dom were bloody excellent in that scene. They made it into such a gut-wrenching moment.

pacejunkie

02-18-2007, 07:41 PM

His nervous laugh when Desmond tells him that he drowned just kills me. Like for a moment he thinks it is a joke and the realisation slowly sinks in. Ian and Dom were bloody excellent in that scene. They made it into such a gut-wrenching moment.

Lost Media has that scene available for download (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=744)now.

Captain_Falafel

02-18-2007, 08:33 PM

Wow! Charlie fans...have you seen these pics at Lost Media???

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?&pos=-85972

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=153&pos=63

I'd forgotten how HOT Dom was. Let me in that tank!

pacejunkie

02-18-2007, 08:41 PM

That's an old photoshoot Cap. For some reason, Lost Media just got those posted now. Nice though. Elfdream used to have one of those shots as her avi.

And you forgot how hot he was? ;)

lovelost4815162342

02-19-2007, 02:02 AM

Dom is just the coolest. And those pics wer hot! A good reminder :)

natfrog5

02-19-2007, 02:51 PM

We've just seen FBYE last night here in the UK and yay for more Charlie! I just hope the story has a happy ending because I was literally sobbing at the other possibility.....=(

xxxx

Captain_Falafel

02-19-2007, 08:59 PM

cylune

02-19-2007, 10:20 PM

Hey Angels.

I've written a new little fanfic that features a post-bombshell Charlie that I thought you lot might enjoy. It's just a short humour fic called Boo.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3403634/1/ :lol: Hilarious! The title alone made me chuckle. :biggrin: Charlie's situation is tragic but could be such an occasion for humour!

Tigerlily1647

02-19-2007, 11:04 PM

Hahahaha!! Very nice, Captain! :biggrin:

Call_Me_Allison

02-19-2007, 11:06 PM

Hey Angels.

I've written a new little fanfic that features a post-bombshell Charlie that I thought you lot might enjoy. It's just a short humour fic called Boo.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3403634/1/

Awwz. I love the lightheartedness. Though just wait until Sawyer gets back to his tent. Charlie might have a little more to worry about.

lostfan4ever

02-20-2007, 12:55 AM

I'm actually looking forward to more Charlie/Sawyer interactions.

lovelost4815162342

02-20-2007, 12:51 PM

I'm actually looking forward to more Charlie/Sawyer interactions.

I agreee. They are so funny together. Two fantastic characters mushed together creates one fantastic and great -to-watch scene! Also maybe even a little charlie nickname treat :)

LadyMerenwen298

02-20-2007, 03:29 PM

schoff

02-21-2007, 02:14 AM

CHARLIE FANS! Please come and contribute to this thread = Charlie's Life Support!

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1377566#post1377566
I just thought I would repeat this, since we've started a small little writing campaign. The more people who are willing to join with us the better.

lostfan4ever

02-23-2007, 01:59 AM

Has anyone posted about the life support thread at the abc user questions board for Damon and Carlton? They might hear about it that way.

pacejunkie

02-23-2007, 08:42 AM

Has anyone posted about the life support thread at the abc user questions board for Damon and Carlton? They might hear about it that way.

Trouble is, it's not a question, so it will likely get screened or bypassed before it even reaches them. The other thing is that the ABC message boards suck. Every post to D&C for the podcast opens a thread where people can debate and attack you endlessly without mod control. I really hate it there, it's why I left. I wish they just had an e-mail form to send your questions in privately and then I'd do it anyway. I think going through Gregg here and sending letters directly is the best way to D&C.

lostfan4ever

02-27-2007, 01:45 AM

I did send an email to the LOST magazine questions for Damon section. I thought it was at least worth a shot.

Captain_Falafel

03-02-2007, 10:35 AM

Just wanted to say I thought Charlie was impressive in 'Tricia Tanaka'. Even his moping at that start wasn't so bad. At least he wasn't having a hissyfit over what Desmond told him. He was handling it quite well all things considered. I would have reacted much worse.

Loved Hurley showing his buddy some tough love and Charlie embracing the victory or death quest. I love it when Charlie gets gutsy and I hope there is more of that to come.

Also "Jiminy Cricket" has got to be the best Charlie nickname so far.

schoff

03-02-2007, 02:43 PM

Also "Jiminy Cricket" has got to be the best Charlie nickname so far.
But did you see Dom totally start to crack up at the "munchkin" reference?

Hey_Freak

03-02-2007, 02:53 PM

Hey all *waves*

To be honest I have no idea why I've never posted in here before as Charlie's been my second favourite character since season 1. Hope to post in here regularly from here on out. :biggrin:

And it looks like Charlie, needs all the fans he can get at the moment.

Save the junkie, save the world.

pacejunkie

03-02-2007, 04:02 PM

Hey Angels. Just wanted to let everyone know that if they want Charlie to live they need to go over to Kristin's blog (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=0298db9f-2dc1-4b57-88c1-686566bb8200) at E! and sign her petition. Drop what you're doing and do it now. Let her know how you feel and she will pass it on to TPTB. She stole my tag line but I forgive her. You have to register first and then post after confirming your e-mail.

LadyMerenwen298

03-03-2007, 10:58 AM

Also "Jiminy Cricket" has got to be the best Charlie nickname so far.

I love that nickname, too. Oh, Sawyer. You and your hilarious nicknames.

I think that Charlie reacted realisticly to the situation to be honest. All the things he did seems reasonable to me. Though I think I would be more moppy. Glad to see that Charlie wasn't.

lovelost4815162342

03-03-2007, 04:14 PM

OH I TOTALLY AGREEE! Sawyer really had fantastic nicknames, especially for charlie this episode. I liked it a lot. But i like anything having to do with charlie, reallly. Except the fact that charlie may die. Cuz i might just die along with him

pacejunkie

03-03-2007, 05:00 PM

Captain_Falafel

03-04-2007, 02:41 AM

I think that Charlie reacted realisticly to the situation to be honest. All the things he did seems reasonable to me. Though I think I would be more moppy. Glad to see that Charlie wasn't.

It's true. I actually found Hurleys line - "Stop feeling sorry for yourself because someone said you're gonna die!" rather comical. I mean, surely that is a perfectly legitmate reason to be feeling depressed! What is next?!

"Sayid (slap) stop feeling sorry for yourself because someone shot your girlfriend!"
"Claire (slap) stop feeling sorry for yourself because someone kidnapped your baby!"

cylune

03-04-2007, 06:46 AM

"Sayid (slap) stop feeling sorry for yourself because someone shot your girlfriend!"
"Claire (slap) stop feeling sorry for yourself because someone kidnapped your baby!" :lol:

Rose took that 'tough love' approach also in WTCMB. Seems to be working with Charlie. :confused:

pacejunkie

03-04-2007, 08:53 AM

I thought that was a very funny line and I think it was meant that way. We're all taking this so seriously and Hurley is all so someone said you're going to die, whatever man, get over it. That's one way to look at it I suppose. It is true that both Hurley and Rose had the right idea for getting Charlie out of his funks. She essentially said the same thing, "You think you're the only person on this island that's got something to be sad about. I got some sob stories for you, so why don't grab the other end of this thing and help me?" She wasn't taking it either.

lovelost4815162342

03-04-2007, 01:21 PM

ya i like those people who say those kinda things :). I mean, if your gonna die, mmight as well have FUN before you do!!!

pacejunkie

03-04-2007, 02:20 PM

Captain_Falafel

03-04-2007, 02:42 PM

*runs in* Whew! I just came in here for a breather. It's getting ugly out there. Several "Charlie should die" and "Charlie shouldn't be forgiven" threads have opened up and he's getting bashed. I came in to gather my strength before going back out to fight. Thanks to everyone that's out there fighting with me. You're doing great, though there's an awful lot of Charlie hate. Some people seem to resent the fact that we want Charlie to live.

I know...it's all bloody kicked off!

I can't say I'm too bothered, because certain people are going completely OTT and are being lame in their reasoning. Charlies death would "further the story" by suggesting there is no hope for anyone and they are prisoners of fate? Charlie has been given too many chances for crimes that apparently include not listening to Desmonds warnings about being electrocuted? (which were cryptically disguised as an offer to fix Claires roof...boy, how did Charlie not catch his drift?)

Meh. Let them death monger. They don't scare me.

pacejunkie

03-04-2007, 02:59 PM

I know...it's all bloody kicked off!

I can't say I'm too bothered, because certain people are going completely OTT and are being lame in their reasoning. Charlies death would "further the story" by suggesting there is no hope for anyone and they are prisoners of fate? Charlie has been given too many chances for crimes that apparently include not listening to Desmonds warnings about being electrocuted? (which were cryptically disguised as an offer to fix Claires roof...boy, how did Charlie not catch his drift?)

Meh. Let them death monger. They don't scare me.

Hee. I love to have this group to come and vent about this stuff. Charlie is irredeemable because he makes mistakes time and again and should no longer be forgiven for them (as opposed to everyone else on the island who has only done a bad thing once :rolleyes: ).

And I'm sorry, but if they want me to admit that there is a possible scenario where Charlie's death on the show would be acceptable I'm just not going to do that. Looking at the theme of the show, the story where it stands and Charlie's character development, there is no possible way his death would serve the show. It would provide a half second of shock value and then he's gone. As we've seen, people get over deaths on this show fairly quickly. It would be a depressing blow to the concept of free will and the hope that Hurley has fought so hard to hold onto. Claire and Aaron deserve happiness too.

lovelost4815162342

03-04-2007, 04:19 PM

YA i agree. There would be absolutly NO plot advancment or purpose (unless something really important comes up and he dies and it solves a mystery or something-haha) of charlie dying. HE just SHOULDNT die. End of story. Ok? ok.

lostfan4ever

03-05-2007, 01:19 AM

I always take heart knowing that more people like Charlie then dislike him. How many characters would get the kind of attention Charlie has as a result of a death prediction? Keep going guys! Keep the Charlie love alive.

schoff

03-05-2007, 04:03 AM

I always take heart knowing that more people like Charlie then dislike him.
Me too. I'd never encountered irrational character hate until I went to TWoP. I mean, who hates Wesley on Angel? I mean, it's Wesley! And as a long time member of the Charmed boards, you'd think Phoebe was the most reviled character ever and the bane of the show. Yet, it was Alyssa Milano's show! She's the one everyone wanted to watch! In the less clothes the better!

LadyMerenwen298

03-05-2007, 09:06 AM

I have to tell you that I stepped outside of the positive Charlie threads yesterday for a few hours (...procrastinating on studying for Biology exam), and it made me realize just how much I am grateful for these kind of threads. I wish that I could be more help in "arguing" back, but I'm just not that good at it. I appreciate the those of you who are able to do so.

*gets comfy in all the positive Charlie threads*

jellyfrog

03-05-2007, 11:39 AM

I wish that I could be more help in "arguing" back, but I'm just not that good at it. I appreciate the those of you who are able to do so.
I know how you feel. I read some of those, get all riled up, and think "Oh yeah? Well, you just wait until pacejunkie and Captain_Falafel and those guys get here! They'll tell ya what's what!" :rolleyes:

cylune

03-05-2007, 12:00 PM

"Oh yeah? Well, you just wait until pacejunkie and Captain_Falafel and those guys get here! They'll tell ya what's what!" :lol: same here!

Whoa. Cappy's on fire! :ntworthy:

Keep it up angels!!!

Captain_Falafel

03-05-2007, 12:06 PM

I know how you feel. I read some of those, get all riled up, and think "Oh yeah? Well, you just wait until pacejunkie and Captain_Falafel and those guys get here! They'll tell ya what's what!" :rolleyes:

Whoa. Cappy's on fire! :ntworthy:

LOL! Thanks guys. I don't know what has come over me, but I'm a passionate Charlie defender today. Personally I don't mind people complaining about Charlies misdeeds (I thoroughly dislike what he did to Sun amoungst other things). It is the way people hate on Charlie for the things he does wrong and then give other characters a free pass or make excuses for them when they do things that are equally bad or worse. A little fairness is all I'm asking for.

pacejunkie

03-05-2007, 02:13 PM

LOL! Thanks guys. I don't know what has come over me, but I'm a passionate Charlie defender today. Personally I don't mind people complaining about Charlies misdeeds (I thoroughly dislike what he did to Sun amoungst other things). It is the way people hate on Charlie for the things he does wrong and then give other characters a free pass or make excuses for them when they do things that are equally bad or worse. A little fairness is all I'm asking for.

Those two threads in particular are making me insane. One of them finally contained my favourite tactic of all time that you see constantly on Charlie hating forums like Lost Forum. You know the one -- where you try and point out that Charlie gets unequal treatment for the same conduct as others and they say, stick to the topic, we're talking about Charlie, not (insert character name here)! :wallbash:

schoff

03-05-2007, 03:00 PM

It is the way people hate on Charlie for the things he does wrong and then give other characters a free pass or make excuses for them when they do things that are equally bad or worse. A little fairness is all I'm asking for.
That ALWAYS shows up in the Charlie arguments. I've been fighting it for years now. Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve.

And when you point it out, you get:
and they say, stick to the topic, we're talking about Charlie, not (insert character name here)! :wallbash:

pinkrose

03-05-2007, 03:34 PM

I want to join. I'm surprised I haven't come in here sooner. :biggrin:

I try to stay away from anything negative, Charlie related or not. I'm not a fan of negativity. :laugh:

schoff

03-05-2007, 04:03 PM

New place to register your Charlie love! TVGuide (http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800009889). Let them know Save the Junkie, Save the World!

pacejunkie

03-05-2007, 04:06 PM

Welcome pinkrose. I don't know if Rock Goddess is still handing out numbers but you could PM her to ask. If not, it's still a great place to hang.

Schoff, that first comment listing all the reasons they should kill Charlie makes me want to scream! :ranting: Why all the Charlie hate?

Captain_Falafel

03-05-2007, 04:31 PM

Welcome pinkrose!

That ALWAYS shows up in the Charlie arguments. I've been fighting it for years now. Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve.

My other major peeve is being branded a Charlie defender. I am very aware of Charlies flaws and negative qualities. I have never for example tried to defend what Charlie did to Sun. The Sun attack has been his worse crime on the island so far. But should I hate Charlie forever for what he did to Sun? Well first of all Charlie shares the blame with Sawyer and second of all...

Locke attacked Sayid from behind, knocked him out and let him unconscious in the jungle. He also knocked out Boone and left him tied up in the jungle.
Jin almost beat Michael to death over a watch that he wasn't aware belonged to Jin.
Sayid & Jack knocked Sawyer out, tied him to a tree and tortured him over a theft he didn't commit.
Sawyer attacked Jin from behind, tied him up and dragged him back to camp so that Michael could beat him up over an arson he didn't commit.
Kate & Sun attempted to poison Jin and instead poisoned Michael.
Desmond knocked Kate out, tied her up and threatened to blow Lockes head off.

If the above characters are forgiven for their attacks on fellow Lostees then Charlie ought to be forgiven too. The show would be very unsatisfying if all of these characters apart from Hurley and Claire were considered to be irredeemable scumbags.

pacejunkie

03-05-2007, 04:34 PM

But Cappy, you're not allowed to bring other character's actions into it. Don't you know that? And just by virtue of the fact that you have a "save the junkie" avi, your opinions are inherently biased and not valued, no matter what you actually say. That's a sure fire argument winner every time. Not much you can say to that is there? [/sarcasm]

I think they need to close that thread before it gets ugly.

jellyfrog

03-05-2007, 05:18 PM

The show would be very unsatisfying if all of these characters apart from Hurley and Claire were considered to be irredeemable scumbags.
LOL! Sometimes I feel like they are. :rolleyes: And yes, it's unsatisfying. But I still like Charlie, Desmond, and Hurley.

I think they need to close that thread before it gets ugly.
D'oh! Too late. ;)

Captain_Falafel

03-05-2007, 06:56 PM

Just to give you guys the heads up the poster who was baiting Charlie fans earlier today is now on the Charlie forum doing the same thing. I'm planning to ignore him.

cylune

03-05-2007, 07:04 PM

Just to give you guys the heads up the poster who was baiting Charlie fans earlier today is now on the Charlie forum doing the same thing. I'm planning to ignore him.
I suggest we all ignore him. I reported the post.

pacejunkie

03-05-2007, 08:20 PM

I suggest we all ignore him. I reported the post.

I didn't look at the thread, but unless his thread is in the Im Not Into You section where it belongs, it would be appropriate to keep reporting it.

ETA: Did the post get deleted because I don't even see any new posts there since I was there last. What thread was it in?

cylune

03-05-2007, 08:27 PM

It got deleted. It was in the Charlie should die thread.

I love the 'lage.

pacejunkie

03-05-2007, 08:38 PM

It got deleted. It was in the Charlie should die thread.

I love the 'lage.

All hail the reasonable and fairminded mods. :ntworthy:

lostfan4ever

03-06-2007, 01:25 AM

I really do respect the mods here. Much better than at some boards.

Dezdmona

03-06-2007, 11:58 AM

As pacejunkie said, it's ok to debate Charlie's fate (I'm all for free speech!), but someone who comes in for the sole purpose of Trolling to rile people up should be redirected or removed.

:censored:

pacejunkie

03-06-2007, 12:27 PM

Right, I don't have a problem with people who theorize that Charlie may die (hey it sure looks that way, I'm not in total denial), but that's different from posters who say Charlie should die because he's weak, annoying and useless. That's just rude.

pinkrose

03-06-2007, 01:00 PM

I know what you mean. What if you said the same stuff about someone they know and love? Not that any of us would, but still. I'm sure they'd have a much different reaction. Some people just like to be rude. :rolleyes:

Like my avi? :biggrin: I finally fit in.

LadyMerenwen298

03-06-2007, 02:06 PM

Like my avi? :biggrin: I finally fit in.

Hee. It's beautiful. ;)

pacejunkie

03-06-2007, 02:55 PM

I'm here to pimp my new fic. Charlie, Claire, Desmond, Locke and Sayid in Save the Junkie, Save the World (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/18088.html). I hope you like it.

pinkrose

03-06-2007, 03:57 PM

Like it? I LOVED IT!!! :jump:

I know I already told you, but I couldn't resist telling you again. :biggrin:

lostfan4ever

03-07-2007, 01:30 AM

Awesome fan fic Pace! If only TPTB are that creative.

Dezdmona

03-08-2007, 10:05 AM

Nice fic pacejunkie...there is no fate, but what we make, right?

I really don't think that Charlie is going to die some random/senseless death.
If he dies, I believe it will be because he sacrifices himself to save the others...likely Claire or Aaron.

lostfan4ever

03-10-2007, 02:51 AM

pacejunkie

03-10-2007, 09:20 PM

So what would we all call ourselves after that? I hope we don't have to make that decision, but we couldn't be Charlie's Angels anymore could we? That would be sad, this thread has been around a long time.

Are you saying if Charlie dies? Why couldn't we still be Charlie's Angels? There's still a Boone group.

cylune

03-10-2007, 09:36 PM

Are you saying if Charlie dies? Why couldn't we still be Charlie's Angels? There's still a Boone group. It's the name: 'Charlie's Angels'. It would be kinda ironic. :undecide:

pacejunkie

03-10-2007, 10:46 PM

It's the name: 'Charlie's Angels'. It would be kinda ironic. :undecide:

Maybe I'm dense but why? If anything it would be poignantly apt. But let's not cross that bridge just yet. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala....

cylune

03-10-2007, 10:49 PM

Maybe I'm dense but why? If anything it would be poignantly apt. But let's not cross that bridge just yet. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.... What bridge? I have no idea what you're talking about. :hypocrit:

pinkrose

03-12-2007, 12:02 PM

I think the ship name would have even more meaning if he dies. It's like we're up there with him in heaven. :laugh: Not that he's going to die or anything. ;)

pacejunkie

03-12-2007, 01:59 PM

I think the ship name would have even more meaning if he dies. It's like we're up there with him in heaven. :laugh: Not that he's going to die or anything. ;)

That's exactly what I was thinking. That's why I was confused. Not that he's going to die or anything. ;)

lovelost4815162342

03-13-2007, 09:14 PM

I personally think this whole "charlies gonna die" thing is just brought up so they will defy fate. IT will show some defeat having to do with that, and they will find a way and that is the point of it...or maybe i am just in denial :(

lostfan4ever

03-16-2007, 01:38 AM

I like the idea that this storyline will ultimately be about making your own fate. At least I hope so.

LadyMerenwen298

03-16-2007, 10:28 AM

I like the idea that this storyline will ultimately be about making your own fate. At least I hope so.

I hope so, too. I think that would be a story worth telling.

lovelost4815162342

03-16-2007, 10:00 PM

I hope so, too. I think that would be a story worth telling.

it would indeed...and then charlie wouldnt die...thats all that matters to me!

cylune

03-20-2007, 08:59 PM

pacejunkie

03-20-2007, 09:46 PM

All these impending death talks are getting depressing... here's something that may cheer you up... it's the cutest video ever:

Charlie & Hurley - The Quest for the Magical Guitar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNpZedo3AU)

Lune, you always know how to cheer me up. That was adorable. It was really more like fanfic than a video. Loved it.

lovelost4815162342

03-20-2007, 11:30 PM

lostfan4ever

03-21-2007, 01:48 AM

That is so funny! We need more of that these days.

Captain_Falafel

03-21-2007, 07:04 AM

All these impending death talks are getting depressing... here's something that may cheer you up... it's the cutest video ever:

Charlie & Hurley - The Quest for the Magical Guitar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNpZedo3AU)

This is a treat! :biggrin: Great vid. After Lost is over there should be a comedy spin-off called 'The adventures of Hurley and Charlie'. Sort of like 'The adventures of Pumba and Timon'.

pacejunkie

03-21-2007, 07:26 AM

This is a treat! :biggrin: Great vid. After Lost is over there should be a comedy spin-off called 'The adventures of Hurley and Charlie'. Sort of like 'The adventures of Pumba and Timon'.

Wasn't there already one of those lune, from the Disney contest? LVI is being renovated right now so I can't search for it.

cylune

03-22-2007, 07:51 PM

very cool! I commented it. keep up the great video making :) oups! I did not make this! I found it on youtube... sorry for the confusion.

Wasn't there already one of those lune, from the Disney contest? LVI is being renovated right now so I can't search for it. I remember this one: Be Prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNQZ44Pk3E) Song from the Lion King... Charlie and Jin and Eko's henchmen. :biggrin: Very funny.

Captain_Falafel

03-22-2007, 09:05 PM

I remember this one: Be Prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNQZ44Pk3E) Song from the Lion King... Charlie and Jin and Eko's henchmen. :biggrin: Very funny.

I love that one! Even funnier is the Gaston Sawyer with Charlie as his little sychophant sidekick.

lovelost4815162342

03-22-2007, 10:22 PM

oups! I did not make this! I found it on youtube... sorry for the confusion.

.

haha well thanks for finding it!

pacejunkie

03-23-2007, 10:21 PM

Captain_Falafel

03-24-2007, 07:51 AM

New Charlie fanfic for y'all. Summary: Concerned for Claire’s safety, Charlie leaves the camp, only to discover an island secret that could change everything.

Hope you like it: The Underground (http://pacejunkie.livejournal.com/19150.html#cutid1)

You know I'm madly in love with this fic, pace. I know it is a bad idea to hope that the actual show will go this way, but I can't stop thinking how perfect it would be!

Is there any chance you could be right?! Smokey projecting images of Charlie would be one way Charlie could have a significant role in the finale "without physically being there". And it would leave it ambigious as to whether Charlie was alive or dead. Wow. I really think you might be onto something...

lovelost4815162342

03-24-2007, 09:23 PM

pacejunkie

03-24-2007, 10:51 PM

You know I'm madly in love with this fic, pace. I know it is a bad idea to hope that the actual show will go this way, but I can't stop thinking how perfect it would be!

Is there any chance you could be right?! Smokey projecting images of Charlie would be one way Charlie could have a significant role in the finale "without physically being there". And it would leave it ambigious as to whether Charlie was alive or dead. Wow. I really think you might be onto something...

It would be cool to be right, but I've been burned too many times to think Charlie's role could be this significant. :frown:

lovelost4815162342

03-24-2007, 11:09 PM

It would be cool to be right, but I've been burned too many times to think Charlie's role could be this significant. :frown:

ya mee too...but you never know, he could make a MAJOR comeback!

Dezdmona

03-25-2007, 03:30 AM

I remember this one: Be Prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNQZ44Pk3E) Song from the Lion King... Charlie and Jin and Eko's henchmen. :biggrin: Very funny.
sigh...That just makes me think of how much I miss Eko. :crybaby:

Captain_Falafel

03-25-2007, 04:47 PM

Hey Angels!

I'm here to give Charlie's Life Support (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=69393) a new plug. I've been doing a lot of work on my OP, gathering together links to the most important content of this thread.

If you are new or not very familiar with Charlie's Life Support this first page will give you a good overview of what has been going on. I'm also hoping it'll help muster a few more supporters by showing the different ways in which fans can be supportive.

Please drop by and post!

pacejunkie

03-28-2007, 02:58 PM

I come bearing squeeage for my angels. Come on, who loves you guys?

TV Guide Photoshoot Outtakes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/334224.html?view=6651024#t6651024)

:wub: Squee...

cylune

03-28-2007, 03:06 PM

I come bearing squeeage for my angels. Come on, who loves you guys?

TV Guide Photoshoot Outtakes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/334224.html?view=6651024#t6651024)

:wub: Squee...

I'm dead. :thud: I'm too dead to squee. Love the one where he got his hand behind his ear. :wub:

Thank you!!

pacejunkie

03-28-2007, 03:12 PM

I'm dead. :thud: I'm too dead to squee. Love the one where he got his hand behind his ear. :wub:

Thank you!!

One is never too dead to squee. ;) That was Cappy's favourite too by the way. He's so my type. I don't care what anybody says.

Captain_Falafel

03-28-2007, 03:35 PM

Does Dom seem thinner to anyone else? His face looks narrower than usual. But anyway...very nice hair-ruffling picture. Dom is hot stuff!

pacejunkie

03-28-2007, 04:00 PM

Does Dom seem thinner to anyone else? His face looks narrower than usual. But anyway...very nice hair-ruffling picture. Dom is hot stuff!

I don't think he could get any thinner. :biggrin: I don't think so, he's always had a narrow jawline, maybe it's more noticeable with the beard trimmed.

Captain_Falafel

03-28-2007, 04:59 PM

Yeah, I think the beard maybe makes his face look wider. When he is beardless as Merry his face looks much narrower. I like the stubbly thang more than the beard.

wildjinx

03-29-2007, 12:35 AM

I'm not necessarily a Charlie fan (I'm very neutral), but I wanted to come by and say that I was very proud of Charlie for fessing up like that tonight :thumbup:

pacejunkie

03-29-2007, 01:39 AM

I'm not necessarily a Charlie fan (I'm very neutral), but I wanted to come by and say that I was very proud of Charlie for fessing up like that tonight :thumbup:

Aw thanks. We're all quite proud of our boy. And he was cute as hell doing it too. I'm waiting for the screencaps to go up to grab a few and post here.

Captain_Falafel

03-29-2007, 05:44 AM

Yeah, where are the fricking screencaps Lost Media?

Okay, did Charlie have an unseen friendship with Artz?! Charlie was the only one who asked about Artz after he didn't return from the Black Rock trek. He mentioned Artz's death to Eko in LTDA. He knows about Artz's bug collection. Charlie respectfully refers to him as Doctor Artz.

Hehe! There could be a fanfic in this. I could enjoy some Charlie/Artz shipping.

Dezdmona

03-29-2007, 09:12 AM

I'm not necessarily a Charlie fan (I'm very neutral), but I wanted to come by and say that I was very proud of Charlie for fessing up like that tonight :thumbup:
Yes, I was too...I don't know if she'll eventually "forgive" him for what he did, and he can't make it "right"...but he can stop her suffering.

It was the honorable thing to do.

...oops! Has Charlie let go of all his old baggage now?
I have a baaad feeling about that. :ermm:

pacejunkie

03-29-2007, 10:42 AM

Okay, did Charlie have an unseen friendship with Artz?! Charlie was the only one who asked about Artz after he didn't return from the Black Rock trek. He mentioned Artz's death to Eko in LTDA. He knows about Artz's bug collection. Charlie respectfully refers to him as Doctor Artz.

Hehe! There could be a fanfic in this. I could enjoy some Charlie/Artz shipping.

Funny. I can believe it though. Another teacher/mentor type for Charlie. He probably hung around him because he thought he was interesting. We know Dom loves bugs. ;)

LadyMerenwen298

03-29-2007, 02:52 PM

We know Dom loves bugs. ;)

You know, that is one of the things that was going through my mind when I was watching that scene. Dom was so in his element with the bugs. Haha.

But yes, I am so happy that Charlie confessed, and that he wasn't ratted out on. Makes me very proud. I wonder what Sawyer will say though...

Captain_Falafel

03-29-2007, 03:17 PM

pacejunkie

03-29-2007, 07:38 PM

It will be interesting if Sawyer goes to Charlie in next weeks episode to hustle him about revealling all to Sun. This could be the start of the "uneasy" Charlie/Sawyer friendship.

Charlie confessed very admirably, but it is amazing how people still find way to criticise him for it. I have heard Sawyer fans saying that Charlie was only "seeming remorseful" and going for the sympathy vote by saying he was all messed up, while fingering Sawyer as the mastermind. This of course all a sneaky ploy to put Sawyer on the backfoot. I have even heard people saying Sawyer failing to appologise to Sun was all Charlie's fault because Charlie stole Sawyers thunder (HA!).

ETA: New Promo Pics including Charlie and Sun (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1265-60.html)

If you really want to throw up, you should visit the discussion in the episode thread at Lost Media. Luckily, many Charlie supporters eventually stepped in to be the collective voice of reason. No, Charlie wasn't acting selfishly, burdening Sun to alleviate his own guilt. No, Charlie wasn't still shifting blame to Sawyer and Locke and making excuses for his behaviour. He was explaining what happened. Big difference. This is the first time he actually hasn't shifted blame or made excuses but still there are some who refuse to give him credit for anything.

On the positive side, I have heard from some folks who have been anti-Charlie in the past who admitted this was a genuine heartfelt acceptance of responsibility and expression of remorse. Can't win em all I guess. :undecide:

cylune

03-29-2007, 08:25 PM

If you really want to throw up, you should visit the discussion in the episode thread at Lost Media. Luckily, many Charlie supporters eventually stepped in to be the collective voice of reason. No, Charlie wasn't acting selfishly, burdening Sun to alleviate his own guilt. No, Charlie wasn't still shifting blame to Sawyer and Locke and making excuses for his behaviour. He was explaining what happened. Big difference. This is the first time he actually hasn't shifted blame or made excuses but still there are some who refuse to give him credit for anything. I had to see that. It was hilarious and totally discredit the haters out there.

OT: for the past few weeks, every time I click on a L-M picture link, it gives me the wrong picture. :confused: anyone else having this problem? why is my computer playing tricks on me?

pacejunkie

03-29-2007, 10:05 PM

I had to see that. It was hilarious and totally discredit the haters out there.

OT: for the past few weeks, every time I click on a L-M picture link, it gives me the wrong picture. :confused: anyone else having this problem? why is my computer playing tricks on me?

I'm not sure, but I know it's different depending on where the pictures are filed. For instance, if someone links to an existing file of promo pics, the links stay the same. But if it's a file to which pics are still being added, the link will change. Same thing if you link to "New Photos" instead of the specific file the picture belongs in. When more new photos are added, the links change.

lovelost4815162342

03-29-2007, 10:12 PM

I just have to say that im really proud of Charlie for telling Sun. Sure, shes mad, and not trusting him, but still its good to get it off his chest, and we know he would never do something like that again. I love him and how truthful he is now. He used to not be trustworthy though i loved him more than sliced bread, but still, Im glad hes gotten rid of all that bad stuff bout him so we can focus on how great he is!!! I hope sun forgives him soon, because i like her. And i have to say the funniest thing was "You wont tell Jin, will you" "No, cuz then we'll have to dig another grave" It was very cool.

pacejunkie

03-29-2007, 10:23 PM

That confession scene is so sweet I keep going back and watching it over and over. Definitely my favourite part of the episode (that and the realization that Pikki weren't getting out of that grave--hee!). When Charlie said "I'm sorry" after Sun had already walked away I wanted to hug him. He can't be more adorable if he tried. I hope if Claire ever does find out that she understands.

lovelost4815162342

03-29-2007, 10:28 PM

When Charlie said "I'm sorry" after Sun had already walked away I wanted to hug him.

Um i ALWAYS wanna hug him! Hes so adorable and i just wanna run into the TV and just :hug:

Tigerlily1647

03-29-2007, 10:30 PM

lostfan4ever

03-29-2007, 11:52 PM

I liked that Sun seemed to blame Sawyer more than Charlie.

wildjinx

03-30-2007, 12:03 AM

I don't get how people can say that Charlie had an ulterior motive for telling Sun ... he told Sun when he had no personal motivation to (meaning nobody even suspected him, so he wasn't doing it to deflect the blame from himself) other than a feeling of remorse. I mean, we saw how in his pre-crash life he was very devout and choir-boyish before he got tangled up with the drugs. So Charlie does have a history of wanting to come clean when he's done something wrong.

And really, when it comes down to it, Charlie has more to lose from the truth coming out than Sawyer; Charlie has a "family", people have taken him back in after the Fire + Water episode shenanigans,etc, while Sawyer, well, nobody particularly respects him and they all know he is more often selfish than not. So I just can't see Charlie exposing his role in it unless he felt sincere remorse because for him, the stakes are just too high. Just my opinion ...

Tigerlily1647

03-30-2007, 01:00 AM

I don't get it either, wildjinx. But like it's been noted several times here, people just like to pick on poor little Charlie, no matter what he does. :rolleyes: I for one was extremely pleased with the way it played out.

lovelost4815162342

03-30-2007, 01:06 AM

I liked that Sun seemed to blame Sawyer more than Charlie.

ya me too! Cuz i hate it when people get mad at charlie!

Captain_Falafel

03-30-2007, 03:17 AM

pacejunkie

03-30-2007, 07:56 AM

TBH I think Sawyer fans are jealous that Charlie had this moment of redemption and Sawyer didn't. I can remember when the spoilers came out that Sun was going to learn the truth many of them were boasting that Sawyer would be the one man enough to confess while Charlie would try to weasel out of responsibility to avoid Claire and Jin finding out.

And believe me there would be no talk whatsoever of selfishness or ulteria motives if Sawyer had been the one to fess up. They would have praised him to the heavens. Several fans are still praising Sawyer just because "he looked remorseful when Sun mentioned her kidnap". So Sawyer is commended for looking a little sheepish over a con that he planned, while Charlie bearing his soul to Sun is dumbed down and even demonised by the very same people.:rolleyes:

Heh. Whose the weasel now, huh? HUH? Okay, enough of that. :rolleyes:

I didn't see that kind of confession as being in Sawyer's character. If he didn't have a motive for confessing, he wouldn't have ever. Sun's trauma was of no concern to Sawyer, although to be fair, I think giving her the diamonds and then dumping them in the grave when she returned them was his act of remorse. It was the best you're going to get from Sawyer. I think where Charlie takes his values from the church, Sawyer's are about every man for himself and the code of honour among criminals. He would protect Charlie's secret and his own to the end.

I agree Charlie has a lifelong history of making confession and for him it would have come very naturally once he decided to do it. Even in the early days of the band, he was going to confession every week, and I assume he had his whole life. Keeping terrible secrets is really not natural for him and they've shown that it's not really who he is. It's part of the reason why he's so full of self loathing because I think the heroin was what turned him into a liar and a sneak. That's a harder habit to break than the drug.

I know people are biased towards their favourite characters, but it would be nice to see a little more fair mindedness. I can honestly say that when I watched 'The Long Con' I was more pissed at Charlie than Sawyer, because a) I had expected better of Charlie. He himself was kidnapped and terrorised by the Others, so to inflict the same on Sun was just appalling, b) it was an extremely petty act of revenge, not to mention pathetic, because Locke never knew Charlie had taken revenge on him. Charlie just skulked in the shadows because he was intimidated by Locke. At least Sawyer had the balls to stand up to Locke and Jack. So there - I believe in criticism when it is due, but some people just criticise Charlie no matter what he does. It's very tiresome.

I still say I want to know what really motivated that act. Precisely because it was so bizarrely out of proportion I think it has to come from some very dark place that we don't know about yet. Something traumatic involving Charlie's father, a priest or some other mentor type had to have happened to him. And since he was likely a child at the time and children have no power it would cause a person to act out in a way that was childlike and become very passive aggressive as an adult.

I think that's why Charlie did what he did in secret. He wanted to stand back and watch Locke get humiliated but he wasn't looking for the personal glory. He's not afraid to stand up to Locke, but passive aggressives get their satisfaction from duping people in secret and watching from afar. The fact that Locke never knew it was Charlie was actually Charlie's little bit of power that he had over him, again, very childlike. Charlie had to have learned this behaviour in childhood.

But for those who thought it was out of character, I think the passive aggressive nature of the act as it pertained to Locke was very in character.

Dezdmona

03-30-2007, 08:16 AM

I have to say that Charlie's confession and Sun's reaction was the only really good part of the episode last night. I was so proud of him! I'm glad both Charlie and Sun can have that closure. And I'm also glad a big deal wasn't made of it and they can both quietly move on now. Sun's reaction, I thought, was just right too. Overall very satisfied with the way it played out. :smile:
I have a feeling that there will be ripple effects...we haven't see the last of this.
Sun will tell Claire and it will come out with the entire camp.

Ooooh no...I'm afraid this is far from over nor will it go quietly. :17:

cylune

03-30-2007, 12:46 PM

I know people are biased towards their favourite characters, but it would be nice to see a little more fair mindedness. I can honestly say that when I watched 'The Long Con' I was more pissed at Charlie than Sawyer, because a) I had expected better of Charlie. He himself was kidnapped and terrorised by the Others, so to inflict the same on Sun was just appalling, b) it was an extremely petty act of revenge, not to mention pathetic, because Locke never knew Charlie had taken revenge on him. Charlie just skulked in the shadows because he was intimidated by Locke. At least Sawyer had the balls to stand up to Locke and Jack. So there - I believe in criticism when it is due, but some people just criticise Charlie no matter what he does. It's very tiresome.

I was more pissed at Charlie too after the Long Con for the same reasons. He's better than this.

As for Sawyer fans.... funny story: I had a discussion with a big Sawyer fan on another board and she was explaining to me why she didn't like Charlie. She said she didn't like his dark side and that he was really turning evil in season 2 with what he did to Sun. When I reminded her it was Sawyer's idea in the first place, she was all 'D'OH!'. She had forgotten Sawyer's involvement.

I think it's the case of many Sawyer fans... they tend to forget the bad things he's done and consider him a victim of bad circumstances. (Love Sawyer! Not trying to bash him or his fans!!)

pacejunkie

03-30-2007, 12:57 PM

I was more pissed at Charlie too after the Long Con for the same reasons. He's better than this.

As for Sawyer fans.... funny story: I had a discussion with a big Sawyer fan on another board and she was explaining to me why she didn't like Charlie. She said she didn't like his dark side and that he was really turning evil in season 2 with what he did to Sun. When I reminded her it was Sawyer's idea in the first place, she was all 'D'OH!'. She had forgotten Sawyer's involvement.

I think it's the case of many Sawyer fans... they tend to forget the bad things he's done and consider him a victim of bad circumstances. (Love Sawyer! Not trying to bash him or his fans!!)

I can't believe she conceded that point. Usually when someone says they hate Charlie because of what he did to Sun and you point out that it was Sawyer's plan they say, "Don't try and bring Sawyer into this, we're talking about Charlie!" :rolleyes: I also hear people try and say what Charlie did was worse because he was the one who did the dirty work.

Now I agree he should have said no, but in his state, Sawyer knew just what buttons to push. As we've seen with his dreams in F+W, Charlie is amenable to coercion with the proper motivation.

But I think Cappy actually hit it on the head of where a lot of this double standard comes from--expectations. People expect better of Charlie, they have low expectations of Sawyer so like the bad child, he gets away with murder while the honour student gets all the strict parenting. I think people really do see him as a good person with potential and are bothered when he misbehaves much more so than when Sawyer does or a character you expect it from. That may not be true of everyone, but it may explain it a bit. They don't see it as a double standard though and that's the frustrating thing.

wildjinx

03-30-2007, 02:31 PM

I still say I want to know what really motivated that act. Precisely because it was so bizarrely out of proportion I think it has to come from some very dark place that we don't know about yet. Something traumatic involving Charlie's father, a priest or some other mentor type had to have happened to him. And since he was likely a child at the time and children have no power it would cause a person to act out in a way that was childlike and become very passive aggressive as an adult.

I think that's why Charlie did what he did in secret. He wanted to stand back and watch Locke get humiliated but he wasn't looking for the personal glory. He's not afraid to stand up to Locke, but passive aggressives get their satisfaction from duping people in secret and watching from afar. The fact that Locke never knew it was Charlie was actually Charlie's little bit of power that he had over him, again, very childlike. Charlie had to have learned this behaviour in childhood.

But for those who thought it was out of character, I think the passive aggressive nature of the act as it pertained to Locke was very in character.

I got the impression from F+W that Charlie's dad was abusive ... not necessarily physically, but mentally. That one little bit in Charlie's dream thing with his father doing the butcher thing in the living room (I might be totally off base, but did his dad chop off the head of a doll too? Or am I remembering something else entirely?). Whatever Papa Pace was like, I got the impression that Charlie feared him. And since it was in this same episode that Locke turned on him, I just always assumed that for Charlie, Locke's behaviour was almost like a flashback of experiences he had with his own dad.

TBH I think Sawyer fans are jealous that Charlie had this moment of redemption and Sawyer didn't. I can remember when the spoilers came out that Sun was going to learn the truth many of them were boasting that Sawyer would be the one man enough to confess while Charlie would try to weasel out of responsibility to avoid Claire and Jin finding out.

And believe me there would be no talk whatsoever of selfishness or ulteria motives if Sawyer had been the one to fess up. They would have praised him to the heavens. Several fans are still praising Sawyer just because "he looked remorseful when Sun mentioned her kidnap". So Sawyer is commended for looking a little sheepish over a con that he planned, while Charlie bearing his soul to Sun is dumbed down and even demonised by the very same people.:rolleyes:

I know people are biased towards their favourite characters, but it would be nice to see a little more fair mindedness. I can honestly say that when I watched 'The Long Con' I was more pissed at Charlie than Sawyer, because a) I had expected better of Charlie. He himself was kidnapped and terrorised by the Others, so to inflict the same on Sun was just appalling, b) it was an extremely petty act of revenge, not to mention pathetic, because Locke never knew Charlie had taken revenge on him. Charlie just skulked in the shadows because he was intimidated by Locke. At least Sawyer had the balls to stand up to Locke and Jack. So there - I believe in criticism when it is due, but some people just criticise Charlie no matter what he does. It's very tiresome.

Heh. Whose the weasel now, huh? HUH? Okay, enough of that. :rolleyes:

I didn't see that kind of confession as being in Sawyer's character. If he didn't have a motive for confessing, he wouldn't have ever. Sun's trauma was of no concern to Sawyer, although to be fair, I think giving her the diamonds and then dumping them in the grave when she returned them was his act of remorse. It was the best you're going to get from Sawyer. I think where Charlie takes his values from the church, Sawyer's are about every man for himself and the code of honour among criminals. He would protect Charlie's secret and his own to the end.

I agree Charlie has a lifelong history of making confession and for him it would have come very naturally once he decided to do it. Even in the early days of the band, he was going to confession every week, and I assume he had his whole life. Keeping terrible secrets is really not natural for him and they've shown that it's not really who he is. It's part of the reason why he's so full of self loathing because I think the heroin was what turned him into a liar and a sneak. That's a harder habit to break than the drug.

I can't believe she conceded that point. Usually when someone says they hate Charlie because of what he did to Sun and you point out that it was Sawyer's plan they say, "Don't try and bring Sawyer into this, we're talking about Charlie!" :rolleyes: I also hear people try and say what Charlie did was worse because he was the one who did the dirty work.

Now I agree he should have said no, but in his state, Sawyer knew just what buttons to push. As we've seen with his dreams in F+W, Charlie is amenable to coercion with the proper motivation.

But I think Cappy actually hit it on the head of where a lot of this double standard comes from--expectations. People expect better of Charlie, they have low expectations of Sawyer so like the bad child, he gets away with murder while the honour student gets all the strict parenting. I think people really do see him as a good person with potential and are bothered when he misbehaves much more so than when Sawyer does or a character you expect it from. That may not be true of everyone, but it may explain it a bit. They don't see it as a double standard though and that's the frustrating thing.

I know this is a Charlie thread, so please forgive me for bringing in another character, but I just wanted to say that as a Jack fan, I can completely empathize with you guys; we have the same :wallbash: moments because of the double standard that Jack falls victim to in comparison with Locke and Sawyer. So yeah, I feel your pain :irked:

Tigerlily1647

03-30-2007, 05:20 PM

I got the impression from F+W that Charlie's dad was abusive ... not necessarily physically, but mentally. That one little bit in Charlie's dream thing with his father doing the butcher thing in the living room (I might be totally off base, but did his dad chop off the head of a doll too? Or am I remembering something else entirely?). Whatever Papa Pace was like, I got the impression that Charlie feared him. And since it was in this same episode that Locke turned on him, I just always assumed that for Charlie, Locke's behaviour was almost like a flashback of experiences he had with his own dad.

That's exactly the impression I got too. I really hope Charlie's next flashback focuses on his family and his childhood b/c I really think there is, like you said, something scary there. At least, scary to Charlie. That is assuming Charlie ever gets another flashback. According to my calculations, it's currently been 26 episodes since his last one!! I'm getting really frustrated, especially since Locke and Jack have already had two this season, both only going less than 10 episodes in between :mad: (and both being really crappy episodes too, in my opinion)

cylune

03-30-2007, 10:23 PM

I can't believe she conceded that point. Usually when someone says they hate Charlie because of what he did to Sun and you point out that it was Sawyer's plan they say, "Don't try and bring Sawyer into this, we're talking about Charlie!" :rolleyes: I also hear people try and say what Charlie did was worse because he was the one who did the dirty work. She honestly totally forgot Sawyer had been involved... :confused: I really believe there some sort of mysterious blocking with regards to Sawyer.

But I think Cappy actually hit it on the head of where a lot of this double standard comes from--expectations. People expect better of Charlie, they have low expectations of Sawyer so like the bad child, he gets away with murder while the honour student gets all the strict parenting. I think people really do see him as a good person with potential and are bothered when he misbehaves much more so than when Sawyer does or a character you expect it from. I think that might be a large part of the explanation. What have we learned repeately from Charlie's flashbacks? He's a good person. He's ready to make the greatest sacrifices for the people he cares about. The worse thing he's done was steal valuable objects from rich people. Nothing compared that to Sawyer, Kate, Ana, Eko, Jin, Sayid and Locke (he was planning on killing a police officer for doing his work!!! :eek2: I found that terribly disturbing). By comparison, you almost have a model citizen. So when the attack an 'innocent' woman was a shock to everyone. Sawyer was involved? So what? It's nothing compared to the other things he's done. So people forget/belittle his involment.

I know this is a Charlie thread, so please forgive me for bringing in another character, but I just wanted to say that as a Jack fan, I can completely empathize with you guys; we have the same :wallbash: moments because of the double standard that Jack falls victim to in comparison with Locke and Sawyer. So yeah, I feel your pain :irked: I've seen it and it made me uncomfortable. I've seen someone using a 'sick' icon instead of writing Jack's name. It made me nauseous. I don't like Kate but I'm not going to spend energy bashing her every chance I get. What's the point? It's a waste of energy and time.

That's exactly the impression I got too. I really hope Charlie's next flashback focuses on his family and his childhood b/c I really think there is, like you said, something scary there. At least, scary to Charlie. That is assuming Charlie ever gets another flashback. According to my calculations, it's currently been 26 episodes since his last one!! I'm getting really frustrated, especially since Locke and Jack have already had two this season, both only going less than 10 episodes in between :mad: (and both being really crappy episodes too, in my opinion) I've always wanted to do this... flashbacks each character had since Fire+Water:

Locke - 3
Jack - 2
Claire - 2
Sayid - 2
Kate - 2
Sawyer - 2
Jin/Sun - 2
Desmond - 2
Hurley - 2
Eko - 2
Ana - 1
Pikki - 1
Michael - 1
Rose and Bernard - 1
Juliet - 1

Including upcoming episodes:

Locke - 3
Jack - 3
Claire - 2
Sayid - 2
Kate - 3
Sawyer - 2
Jin/Sun - 3
Desmond - 3
Hurley - 2
Eko - 2
Ana - 1
Pikki - 1
Michael - 1
Rose and Bernard - 1
Juliet - 2

But I'm not that upset... If they were really planning on killing him this season, I believe Charlie would have had an episode early in the season. I think he would have had 'Further Instruction', which was basically a filler. He didn't, so I think he's safe! (I'll take everything, OK??:redface: )

pacejunkie

03-30-2007, 11:39 PM

But I'm not that upset... If they were really planning on killing him this season, I believe Charlie would have had an episode early in the season. I think he would have had 'Further Instruction', which was basically a filler. He didn't, so I think he's safe! (I'll take everything, OK??:redface: )

That's funny because I posted the exact same thing on TwoP--that the one thing left that gives me hope is the belief that if Charlie really were going to die he would have had two flashbacks this year because he was overdue for one at the beginning of the season anyway and it would be a disservice to a major season one original to kill him off with only one flashback. It would be as insulting as it was to Pikki to bury them alive. I would hope they'd have too much respect for Dom to do that. This better be a gotcha. If he survives I'm going to laugh my head off and say well done because they really are starting to fool me.

And come episode 19, Jack will actually have had four to Charlie's one. You bet I'm bitter.

Tigerlily1647

03-31-2007, 02:43 PM

lovelost4815162342

03-31-2007, 02:53 PM

before we wer talkin bout when we wanted to hug this adorable person, and my #1 moment is probably when hes talking about the picnic he set up for Claire and asking her to take a lil stroll! That was so friekin cute

pacejunkie

03-31-2007, 10:05 PM

This is completely random, but take a look at Charlie's shoes in this picture: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1265-60.html

There are two big holes in the one on the shovel and it appears to be at least one other hole in the other shoe. I hope he doesn't have to get new shoes, what would Charlie be without his checkered shoes :frown:

He has had those holes for a little while now. Those shoes have ben through the wringer. I actually prefer the sneaks he was wearing in the 23rd Psalm. Check them out. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-839-373.html) They look like little boy sneaks. I think they're a lot cuter. He's only worn them once.

Captain_Falafel

04-01-2007, 07:21 PM

I got the impression from F+W that Charlie's dad was abusive ... not necessarily physically, but mentally. That one little bit in Charlie's dream thing with his father doing the butcher thing in the living room (I might be totally off base, but did his dad chop off the head of a doll too? Or am I remembering something else entirely?). Whatever Papa Pace was like, I got the impression that Charlie feared him. And since it was in this same episode that Locke turned on him, I just always assumed that for Charlie, Locke's behaviour was almost like a flashback of experiences he had with his own dad.

I get the impression that ALL Charlies family were emotionally abusive. We have already seen how his older brother Liam used him, corrupted him and then discarded him. Then there is the mother telling her 8 year old child he has to save his family (WTF was that all about?! And is it really any wonder Charlie is so hyper-protective of Claire and Aaron). The dad certainly seems like a frightening figure - the way we don't even see his face in Charlie's dream suggests he is mentally blocking him out. I can imagine some sort of domestic abuse situation in the Pace household...or maybe something even scarier. I can't help but think they made Charlies dad a butcher for a specific reason. I keep thinking we are gonna see meat cleavers being wielded in the next Charlie-back.

lovelost4815162342

04-01-2007, 11:16 PM

Check them out. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-839-373.html) They look like little boy sneaks. I think they're a lot cuter. He's only worn them once.

aw they are really cute! :). U know i dont really care what hes wearing...as long as hes there!

LadyMerenwen298

04-02-2007, 09:14 AM

Did you all know there are Lost Drive Shaft t-shirts that feature Charlie in the front at Hot Topic? My friend sent me the link to the site in an e-mail late last night, and I, um, totally bought one this morning. :rolleyes: What?!

Here is the link in case you are interested as well: ***Mod edited to remove link***

lovelost4815162342

04-02-2007, 09:54 AM

i love that shirt! I need it! haha. Its gonna be the top on my birthday list, next to the charlie action figure my parents never got me for christmas!(but hey there is still easter!)

pacejunkie

04-02-2007, 10:29 AM

That's a nice shirt. ABC store had a jersey with tour dates on the back but I didn't like the design on front. It has Charlie too. The black one is nicer.

Captain_Falafel

04-02-2007, 12:48 PM

pacejunkie

04-02-2007, 02:33 PM

New Charlie/Dom behind the scenes pixs at Lost Media!

Dom in make up (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1271-0.html)

Dom being adorable with a baby (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1271-1.html)

Dom is still wearing that purple t-shirt from Expose. Judging by how sweat-drenched it is in the first pic Charlie will be doing something very strenuous soon. Or is this just sweat from digging Pikki's grave? Any Charlie sweat watchers out there?!

That pic was from Further Instructions judging by both the t-shirt and his hair, which is still very short on the sides and long in the back. It's since grown in and been trimmed. All the pics were from the mini-season.

lovelost4815162342

04-02-2007, 07:22 PM

New Charlie/Dom behind the scenes pixs at Lost Media!

Dom being adorable with a baby (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1271-1.html)

THIS IS ADORABLE!!!!! Aw Dom is so cute i love him so much!

Captain_Falafel

04-02-2007, 07:35 PM

I've got a new Charlie fic in my LJ!

Secret Sharers (http://falafel-fiction.livejournal.com/2330.html)

I felt the urge to write a Charlie/Sun story expanding on the confession scene in 'Expose'. I really enjoyed writing for Sun. She has long been a favourite character of mine. In certain ways I think she is the character most similar to Charlie.

lovelost4815162342

04-02-2007, 11:13 PM

Captain_Falafel

04-03-2007, 04:30 AM

Great fic CF! It was really sweet. I would actually like to see them together more. Aunty Sun! hehe. My favorite line:

He always had to fill them up with relentless blathering until somebody told him to be quiet.

That was really funny and so true! :)

Anyway-about Sun and Charlie being alike- you touched on that a bit in the fic, but i think this is interesting so can you explain to me a bit more? Id like to hear what you think about that a bit more?

All in all very good! I really enjoyed it

Thank you, LL! I think Charlie's blathering is my very favourite Charlie trait (though I can understand it being other peoples least favourite thing about him). I just find it very endearing and funny how Charlie never shuts the hell up and other character are driven so crazy by him that they just end up snapping and throttling him.:biggrin:

Sun and Charlie being alike? I know it isn't an obvious comparision seeing as she is a rich Korean wife and he is a poor English rocker. But I think they are actually very similar characters when you pick them apart and look at their issues.

- Sun/Charlie both have a habit of lying (especially to Jin/Claire)
- Sun/Charlie have both attacked another Lostee in secret. They were both manipulated into their crimes by con-artists (Kate/Sawyer).
- Sun/Charlie have both killed Others (Cole/Ethan) by shooting them point-blank. Both became first time killers on the island (as far as we know from their backstories).
- Sun/Charlie both share a love for Aaron.
- Sun/Charlie both take a very servile submissive role in their relationships with Jin/Claire. Watch Lost all the way through and you will find there are countless scenes where Sun is serving Jin or Charlie is serving Claire. I think Sun/Charlie are both meek and submissive in these relationships because they are carrying a lot of guilt and so they pander to Jin/Claire as a way of atoning.