I can't rewind, as I don't have TiVo, but on the tail it definitely looked like it had the eight-sided symbol that is on all of the stuff in the Hatch w/Desmond.

Can anyone look again? It was as it was swimming for Sawyer as he went for the pontoon.

I just noticed it and rewatched. It's got the ******* symbol on it.

Confirming...yes, I have a DVR and it does have what I think was the same logo on the underneath of the tail as what was on the food label.

I saw it, too! I had to rewind the tape to make sure I wasn't nuts, but yes, it's there.

WTF??

(man, this board takes like ten minutes to load!)

I saw it too...what is going on, shark part of the others aswell. French woman did say they were scientist, maybe marine scientists??

Oh good, so I'm not crazy!! Don't ask me why it's there, but it last I know I'm not seeing things :)

weirder and weirder

No doubt about it....it was there......there is definetly some agency (something) controling everything on and around this island. I thought last week was good, this one was even better!!!

hmmm didn't catch it but luckily I taped it today. I'll have to go back and look. :)

I saw it and I was freaking out!

I'll have an HD screencap up in a moment.... unless someone beats me to it.

http://www.ufck.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15548

Maaaan! I saw it but doubted it because I thought I was crazy. But what do you know...the plot thickens.

Ok, here it is. Robotic Shark. Powered by Red fluid.

Bam.

Newbie here...my son made me take a picture of it because he wanted to prove it to his friends. I'm no techie, but here's a snapshot of the symbol on the shark:

http://www.kaiandjamie.com/jodi/P9280104.JPG
http://www.kaiandjamie.com/jodi/P9280105.JPG

Here you go:
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/lostShark.jpg

Curse you, beaver, I thought I would be the first to make a thread about the symbol on the shark. Anyway, I thought it looked like that logo on the side of that old data tape computer Jack touched. I can't remember what it looked like, and even with my Sony Wega, the lettering on it was blurry. Does anyone have a picture of that too?

Oops, sorry beaver, I meant "curse puechsh;" I mistook the most recent reply next to the thread title on the main board for the author.

OMG! My husband saw this, but I missed it. So glad to come here and see it confirmed.

Thought maybe this was another elaborate part of the "security system" till I saw blood when Michael shot it. But now I'm confused. :confused:

Man... my HD card errored right when the shark went by! Looks like I'm no help here.

Maaaan! I saw it but doubted it because I thought I was crazy. But what do you know...the plot thickens.

Ok, here it is. Robotic Shark. Powered by Red fluid.

Bam.

Powered by oil (just looks red in the night lighting) :cool:

Does anyone else get the impression that all these things which appear to be organic threats (ie the shark, the monster) are actually synthetic as evidenced by the octagon symbol on the shark's tail and the fact that everytime the "monster" appears there are always mechaical sounds accompanying it

Powered by oil (just looks red in the night lighting) :cool:

Why can't the red fluid be blood? Why can't (what presumably is) a part of the island's security system be biological instead of mechanical? A form of singularity is when computers and human consciousness merge. Before researchers test on humans, is it not reasonable to believe they would test the computer-consciousness merger on animals?

Someone asked for a closeup of the logo, I posted an image of the logo on the shark earlier, and this is a closeup of the same logo inside the hatch:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/hatchLogo.jpg

Does anyone else get the impression that all these things which appear to be organic threats (ie the shark, the monster) are actually synthetic as evidenced by the octagon symbol on the shark's tail and the fact that everytime the "monster" appears there are always mechaical sounds accompanying it

The logo could have been branded onto the shark, like cows are branded.

Alright, I got one decent frame of video of the tail

http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharktail5is.jpg

kinda blurry, but it's there.

Hmm, a robotic shark ... perhaps it's a test in artificial intelligence. Or, scientists are partying with sharks and sending them home with tattoos.

The logo could have been branded onto the shark, like cows are branded.

It's true that it may not be a robotic shark, but real or not, people would have to CATCH a shark in order to brand it, so its a clue as to how many/how powerful what is in control is...

I knew I saw It!!! Everybody in the room thought I was crazy - HA!



(I probably am crazy - but NOT because of this!)

If it isn't enough that the 8 sided symbol is on the shark, there is another symbol there too! There is a silouette of a man. It is only part of a man, the legs, one arm and part of the body, but there is no mistaking the shape. I brightened the image from another thread and kicked up the contrast to see this. The man shape is in a stance as if running or moving forward. The image is cut off because of the curvature of the shark. I will have to look now at some other shots for a better view.

It's true that it may not be a robotic shark, but real or not, people would have to CATCH a shark in order to brand it, so its a clue as to how many/how powerful what is in control is...

Or they could have bred it and put it on the shark when it was a baby.

MPMom... I think that was just Sawyer floating in the water in the distance.

I took this screencap from 1x14 - is the logo on the polar bear, too?

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4962/lost08ou.jpg

Most of us at SA concluded it may just be a shadow, but I made an animated GIF of all the frames and it moves around with the bear:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5180/lostpossiblelogo5fu.gif

However it could just be poor CG. That bear looked terrible.

Some people are dead set that it's the logo, others are set that it's not at all, and some think it is, but back in 1x14 maybe they hadn't finalized a logo yet and wanted it to be non-descript.

I'm gonna go with robot, because I saw a mechanic work on my car once; he was going to replace the transmission fluid, and when he drained it, it looked blood red. Wouldn't a robot that has enough mechanical parts to move as swiftly as a shark need a lot of transmission fluid?

I took this screencap from 1x14 - is the logo on the polar bear, too?

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4962/lost08ou.jpg

Most of us at SA concluded it may just be a shadow, but I made an animated GIF of all the frames and it moves around with the bear:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5180/lostpossiblelogo5fu.gif

However it could just be poor CG. That bear looked terrible.

Some people are dead set that it's the logo, others are set that it's not at all, and some think it is, but back in 1x14 maybe they hadn't finalized a logo yet and wanted it to be non-descript.
Alright, shamelessly quoting myself so everyone sees it on page 4.

What logo? I don't see anything on that bear. Could you circle it in mspaint or something?

Cylons bleed red blood.

Maybe it's a Cylon shark.

And has anyone else besides me noticed that the shark had a symbol of some kind on the side of it? It looks familiar somehow. I think I saw something like it in a Chuck Norris movie once.

dp

What logo? I don't see anything on that bear. Could you circle it in mspaint or something?
The black thing on his left shoulder.

And has anyone else besides me noticed that the shark had a symbol of some kind on the side of it?

Despite my hatred for people who type LOL, LOL :biggrin:

It looks familiar somehow. I think I saw something like it in a Chuck Norris movie once.

dp

Chuck Norris did some martial arts movies, and like I said before, I'm 99% certain this Dharma is going to end up being related to Korea somehow, because if you take the old Korean flag (you can find it on wikipedia) and turn it 90 degrees to the right, the trigrams match that of the Dharma logo, and the snake creates an S curve, like on the new Korean flag.

Chuck Norris did some martial arts movies, and like I said before,

I was, um, making a joke about his movie called "The Octagon"

But I'm glad you liked my other attempts at humor....

What do you make of the fact that the symbol also looks like to stadium where Jack met Desmond?

The word on the symbol looks like "Dharma". I know it is a Buddhist term but not sure what the meaning is. So I Googled it:

What is Dharma?

"Dharma" means "protection". By practising Buddha's teachings we protect ourself from suffering and problems. All the problems we experience during daily life originate in ignorance, and the method for eliminating ignorance is to practise Dharma.

Practising Dharma is the supreme method for improving the quality of our human life. The quality of life depends not upon external development or material progress, but upon the inner development of peace and happiness. For example, in the past many Buddhists lived in poor and underdeveloped countries, but they were able to find pure, lasting happiness by practising what Buddha had taught.

If we integrate Buddha's teachings into our daily life, we will be able to solve all our inner problems and attain a truly peaceful mind. Without inner peace, outer peace is impossible. If we first establish peace within our minds by training in spiritual paths, outer peace will come naturally; but if we do not, world peace will never be achieved, no matter how many people campaign for it.

!Sorry! I should have searched for "Dharma" before I posted. I found another thread about it started last night - oops.

who the *expletive deleted" would brave branding a shark? or a polar bear for that matter? me's thinks something strange is going on here.
not that i am the greatest at this stuff but i think that they must have been "engineered" somehow. i mean, even a baby shark would be a handful not to mention that the branding instrument would have to be sized differently to keep the shape that it is now.
did that make sense? uuuggghhh!!!

I am sorry but I don't see anything on the polar bear.


But I did see it on the shark. I am so excited I was not seeing thing.

All of this 'branded" shark/mechanical shark talk makes me think of Dr. Evil, and his plan to have laser beams grafted onto shark's heads. Hey, if Mike Myers can dream up engineered sharks, why not our LOST writers? ;)

ETA: I totally did not catch the logo on the shark, the first time around, but I did see all the red in the water. Not married to the idea that it's blood, although that seems the most obvious choice. What the HECK is going on on this island???

I know from working on government boats that diesel fuel looks pinkish red, cause I kinda screwed up and didnt get all the fuel in the gas tank and some spilled overboard. I know I am a bad person, but diesel fuel is red and so is hydrolic fluid and some lubricants. So a puncture from one or many bullets could easily rupture a Roboshark, if one existed, and probably make a big burst of red stuff. The poor CGI job on the shark's tail looks like the symbol is painted on the surface, and not something that is tattooed in. Though Dr. Evil would def have sharks raised, trained and tattooed, but there would have been fricken lazers on their heads.

ok, am i gonna be the first one to make a crack about lost managing to avoid "jumping the shark"?

ok, am i gonna be the first one to make a crack about lost managing to avoid "jumping the shark"?

Hee, I totally thought of that too.

My husband was so pleased about this thread. He caught it and I didn't....

Last season there was a thread where the questions was posted : "What will the rafters find out at see?" and there was a reply that made me laugh ... "It will be sharks with frinkin lazer beams" I don't remember who said it but I totally thought of that tonight.

It seems like the shark and the bears and whatever else is on the island are "created/born there and of course "for a reason"

Anyone have a shot of a boar with a tatoo????

Oh good, so I'm not crazy!! Don't ask me why it's there, but it last I know I'm not seeing things :)
Maybe it's just one of many "security systems" that protects the waters (to stop people for leaving).

The logo on the shark is different than the logo in the bunker. On the shark, the white line across the center is a straight line, and it is a swan (or snake) in the bunker logo. Also, the order of the trigrams seems different, although my tivo isn't HD so I can't be sure on this second point.

What do you make of the fact that the symbol also looks like to stadium where Jack met Desmond?
That was something that I'd brought up from the first eppy. I also think that it's a diagram of Desmond's bunker layout. The "apartment" area that he lives in is a circle, as in the center of the emblem. The lines and broken lines around the circle (on the emblem) could be passageways, halls like where Kate, Locke and Jack entered.

Someone mentioned old Korean flag so I searched it and found this.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/k/kr-old.gif

The symbols are called trigrams and wiki has an interesting concept on trigrams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept%29

when the "shark" was circling the raft and its tail appeared, flipping up outta the water, it sure didn't look like a shark -- it looked like a porpoise tail.

i started joking with my friends (a small gang gets together to watch the show and drink beer) that it was a miltary porpoise, trained to kill! like the story about military dolphins that escaped from their training pools when hurricane katrina hit. heard of that? maybe just another conspiracy theory, but here's an interesting article:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.html

anyway, the underwater shots near the raft were definitely of a shark, not a porpoise or dolphin. an eeeeevil feng shui shark, bearing the octagonal mark...

that flipper must have just been a poor prop...or a fluke. heh. please forgive me for the awful pun.

I noticed that too. I had asked my fiance if he saw it and he thought it could have been the ABC logo, so right there, I knew he didn't see it. Maybe it was the symbol for Biohazard??? Glad I wasn't the only one. Thought maybe I'm starting to see things. LOL

I said this on another thread, but I'll drop it in here too.
To me, the fact that the shark has been branded with a "dharma" like logo (whether its exactly like the one in Desmond's hatch or not) is one of THE most important clues we have gotten so far about what's going on at this island. It really seems to support the idea that they are all in a controlled environment, and the whole thing falls well into the "its all a controlled experiment" scenario theory. This is true whether its a robotic shark or a real one. I can't think of any other logical reason that the shark would be branded.

I wouldn't be surprised if the polar bear was branded too. Maybe the boars are? Maybe every single inch of that island is marked and catalogued, so that "they" can keep track of what is happening in the environment.

I alsoam wondering if this is all some sort of abandoned forgotten experiment. Desmond seemed to be expecting someone whose arrival seems to be overdue and his computers and technology are way old.

Someone mentioned earlier that the shark was part of the security system similar to the monster they heard in the beginning and the polar bear. I like the theory and it also got me thinking about something Rose said in the pilot episode (I recently rewatched it) when they were discussing the monster sounds from the jungle the night before, she says that she can't help but think there was something familiar about the sound. Someone asked where she was from and she said the bronx. Perhaps it sounded familiar becuase there was something mechanical to it??

I did a cap from the HD source.
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logoonshark8no.jpg

Newbie here...my son made me take a picture of it because he wanted to prove it to his friends. I'm no techie, but here's a snapshot of the symbol on the shark:

http://www.kaiandjamie.com/jodi/P9280104.JPG
http://www.kaiandjamie.com/jodi/P9280105.JPG

Whoa!!!!!

Thanks for posting that! Man oh man......

dead on thinking spookyb18 about this being an abandoned/forgotten project... someone built a self sustaining project and didnt want it anymore... they just forgot to tell desmond and turn the lights off before they left... That is what I think the main monster/secrity stuff is... not sure what the deal is with the seabillies though... and i am pretty sure desmond and rosseau are connected... not sure how...
abandoned/forgotten/out of control project from long ago

I can't belive I missed that

I did a cap from the HD source.
http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logoonshark8no.jpg
We can always count on you, granulated! :biggrin:

I lightened it a bit and uploaded it to my own imageshack account.

[img=http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3020/logoonshark8no8zr.jpg] (http://imageshack.us)

It's definitely not the exact same logo!

I am having a horrible time with this logo on a shark thing. Is it just me or is this getting more and more complicated? *head spinning*
robo shark? real shark? are we gonna see it again?
also, for you lovelies who have the dvd, any sighting of the symbol before?

I am having a horrible time with this logo on a shark thing. Is it just me or is this getting more and more complicated? *head spinning*
robo shark? real shark? are we gonna see it again?
also, for you lovelies who have the dvd, any sighting of the symbol before?
That's a good question about whether or not the symbol has been seen in season one. I have the DVDs but haven't watched all of the eppys over yet. Some thought they saw it on the polar bear but that was disproved as being just a shadow. I'll have to pay closer attention when rewatching the DVDs.

i am just jealous over the fact that i don't have the dvd's yet (birthday is coming up soon though..hehehe)

i am going to rewatch some epis that i have on my DVR and take a looksie...i cannot recall ever seeing the symbol before S2 but I didnt notice a lot of things before...

i am just jealous over the fact that i don't have the dvd's yet (birthday is coming up soon though..hehehe)

i am going to rewatch some epis that i have on my DVR and take a looksie...i cannot recall ever seeing the symbol before S2 but I didnt notice a lot of things before...
Do let us know if you find anything! :smile:

OK...I watched 4 epis last night (Exodus 1 & 2, Do No Harm and Born To Run) and got nuthin...lol, cept for a lot of complaining from my hubby about "havent you seen these like 4,815,162,342 times?!?!?"
Will try some more later. :)

so what is the significance of the shark and the symbol?.Obviously Mike killed the shark

so what is the significance of the shark and the symbol?.Obviously Mike killed the shark
It shows that the shark has some kind of tie-in to Desmond because the symbol is close to his and that it wasn't just an ordinary shark. Perhaps it's the "security system" that guard the ocean to stop them from leaving.

Its the 2nd security system from keeping the rafters from getting to the outer walls of the Truman Show. :biggrin:

Here is my contribution to the discussion. This is a composite picture showing the Shark Logo from 4 consecutive frames (the image were cut and pasted, so they may not be in the exact same position from each frame).

It clearly shows that the logo, while have the 8 'bar' symbols, has a single line in the circle in the middle and does not have the 'S' or 'Swan' symbol.

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/Lostpics/Sharklogo001.jpeg


I have a few more Lost pics here:

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/

Here is my contribution to the discussion. This is a composite picture showing the Shark Logo from 4 consecutive frames (the image were cut and pasted, so they may not be in the exact same position from each frame).

It clearly shows that the logo, while have the 8 'bar' symbols, has a single line in the circle in the middle and does not have the 'S' or 'Swan' symbol.

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/Lostpics/Sharklogo001.jpeg


I have a few more Lost pics here:

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/
Any way you could get a cap of the pantry as soon as the camera turns on it? I'm trying to see the cocoa that's on the shelf and what's under it. Thanks!

Any way you could get a cap of the pantry as soon as the camera turns on it? I'm trying to see the cocoa that's on the shelf and what's under it. Thanks!

You mean this?:

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/Lostpics/LostCocoa001.jpeg

hold on hold on everyobdy! this seems a bit far fetched for me - wouldn't they have noticed a tattoe emblem on the bear when they shot it? cuz i'm pretty sure they didn't just leave it in the jungle, even though it doesn't show it, i'm pretty sure they ate it, why waste all that meat when they're starving?

well I have found no previous epis with the logo...none...granted I dont have the DVD yet (I am reading this aloud to my hubby since my bday is coming..lol) but I have several of them on dvr. Anyone else want to look, happy hunting!! :D

hold on hold on everyobdy! this seems a bit far fetched for me - wouldn't they have noticed a tattoe emblem on the bear when they shot it? cuz i'm pretty sure they didn't just leave it in the jungle, even though it doesn't show it, i'm pretty sure they ate it, why waste all that meat when they're starving?

They were not starving then. Only crashed a few days before and still expecting to be rescued. It was some time later when Hurley announced that they had eaten all the food.

well I have found no previous epis with the logo...none...granted I dont have the DVD yet (I am reading this aloud to my hubby since my bday is coming..lol) but I have several of them on dvr. Anyone else want to look, happy hunting!! :D

Nah I'm pretty sure it just kind of came out of left field. Someone would have noticed the logo before now, as much as the show is picked apart. :ohwell:

You mean this?:

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/Lostpics/LostCocoa001.jpeg
Yeah, that's it! Thanks. :biggrin: Well, they're not blankets. Looks like bags of dog or cat food! LOL Did anyone notice any pet dishes? ;)

hold on hold on everyobdy! this seems a bit far fetched for me - wouldn't they have noticed a tattoe emblem on the bear when they shot it? cuz i'm pretty sure they didn't just leave it in the jungle, even though it doesn't show it, i'm pretty sure they ate it, why waste all that meat when they're starving?
Yeah, I don't think it's on the polar bear or the boars.

But I don't think I'd eat a polar bear I found on a tropical island. Seems too weird for me. I think I'd be afraid it might have something wrong with it ... especially how vicious it was! I'd pass on the Polar Bear Bar-B-Q. :biggrin:

Looks like bags of dog or cat food!

Thats what I was thinking as well. I was thinking of dried pet food or kitty litter. What else comes in big, flat bags like that? Flour maybe?

I also thought it looked like large bags of dog food. Now wouldn't that be interesting for Vincent. ;)

Could be so many different things. Not flour, I don't think. Rice maybe?

It does look like bags of rice. hmmmmmm....
I just wanted some of those cherries in the huge jar...lmao!

I also thought it looked like large bags of dog food. Now wouldn't that be interesting for Vincent. ;)

Could be so many different things. Not flour, I don't think. Rice maybe?

I think it's dog food bags but not supposed to be dog food.

I think it's dog food bags but not supposed to be dog food.

I think I understand what you mean= They looked for large shiny bags, used dog food ones------that about it?
Yes, that could be it.

I think I understand what you mean= They looked for large shiny bags, used dog food ones------that about it?
Yes, that could be it.
Yeah, that's what I meant 'cause I can't think of any human food that comes bagged like that.

That was something that I'd brought up from the first eppy. I also think that it's a diagram of Desmond's bunker layout. The "apartment" area that he lives in is a circle, as in the center of the emblem. The lines and broken lines around the circle (on the emblem) could be passageways, halls like where Kate, Locke and Jack entered.

It also looks like a feng shui symbol for synchronicity:
http://www.ozelink.com/natures_energies/symbols.htm

I can't take credit for figuring this out, it was someone on another board that pointed it out.

It shows that the shark has some kind of tie-in to Desmond because the symbol is close to his and that it wasn't just an ordinary shark. Perhaps it's the "security system" that guard the ocean to stop them from leaving.


Maybe that's why Desmond scoffed when John told him that some of the survivors set out on a raft. He knew that the sharks would be 'on guard'.


Here is my contribution to the discussion. This is a composite picture showing the Shark Logo from 4 consecutive frames (the image were cut and pasted, so they may not be in the exact same position from each frame).

It clearly shows that the logo, while have the 8 'bar' symbols, has a single line in the circle in the middle and does not have the 'S' or 'Swan' symbol.

http://members.shaw.ca/markgee/Lostpics/Sharklogo001.jpeg
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I bet the white line thing in the middle of the logo is a hammerhead shark or something like that.