I Googled these and they don't appear to ever have existed in real life. I found a Japanese brand of chocolate-cranberry candies but that's it.

So, I'm wondering if there's any significance. Apollo is the Greek god of the sun, but here's some more info that I found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo :

The name Apollo might have been derived from a Pre-Hellenic compound Apo-ollon, likely related to an archaic verb Apo-ell- and literally meaning "he who elbows off", that is "the Dispelling One." Indeed, he seems to have personified dispelling power, which would relate to his association with the darkness-dispelling power of the morning sun and the conceived power of reason and prophecy to dispel doubt and ignorance. In addition:

The apparent expelling character of city walls and doorways as bulwarks against trespassers
The people-dispelling nature of disembarkations and expatriations to colonies
The disease-dispelling character of healing
The predator-dispelling character of a shepherd tending his flocks
The pest-dispelling nature of a farmer growing crops
The power of music and the arts to dispel discord and barbary
The highly important power of fit and skilled young men to dispel intruders and invading armies.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo

Hmm... verrrrrry interesting. Dispelling darkness - like the sun lamps Desmond has outside his window? And what about all the dispelling against intruders, predators, invaders, etc.? And the power of music (for example, "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass) to dispel discord and barbary? And I wonder if the shepherd reference has anything to do with Jack?

If this was any other show, I'd think I was reading too much into this.

I was wondering about the candy too.

I have never heard of any such thing

It won't surprise me if it was a real chocolate bar. There was an era where everything was named after the stars.

Galaxy cars. Mars Bar chocolate bar. Milky Way chocolate bar etc. etc.

When I saw those candy bars, I immediately thought of the Space Age. They are in a bunker, after all.

Good research! The candy's name actually made me think of the Apollo space missions, and the furnishings in the hatch have kind of that 1960's, space-age era vibe. But, it makes me wonder why there would be candy in a hatch that seems made for basic survival? Of course, why put records and a record player in there, too? I guess whoever stocked it intended the inhabitant(s) to be down there for a good long while. The hatch actually made me think of that Brendan Fraser movie "Blast from the Past", where a family lives in their fully-stocked bomb shelter for several decades--I seem to remember that they had soda in their food pantry!

The space thinking would make sense. Ya would think it wouldnt be a regular candy bar to be able to keep that long......

Yeah, I expected Kate to break her teeth on it :-)

Good point about the candy...makes you wonder how long that stuff has been under there. One would think as long as Desmond, but any chance there are deliveries? hehe

Why does everyone think they are old? Couldn't they be a new delivery, like the washing machines? Just because an Apollo candy bar existed way back when doesn't mean they couldn't have made this one up.

Interesting observation about Apollo being the Greek god of the sun. This reminded me of the mural on the wall that Jack saw when he first entered the underground facility; specifically that the number 108 (the sum of "the numbers") was written inside a painting of the sun. Perhaps this is just bizarre coincidence, or perhaps we are the smartest people in the world. Probably coincidence though.

Is that a real Japan co it locked me out when I tried to check it out

something bothers me about these candy bars.
i feel like ive seen them before, yet they are nowhere to be found on google.

the name probably holds some sort of obscure significance. they could have chosen to not show the wrapper at all.

then again, maybe they were just following through with details.

In keeping with uncovering every last stone....

The Apollo Space Program by the numbers...
http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/apollo/apollo.htm

Here's a few references to Apollo.

Apollo is considered to have dominion over the plague, light, healing, colonists, medicine, archery, poetry, prophecy, dance, reason, intellectualism and as the patron defender of herds and flocks. Apollo had a famous oracle in Crete and other notable ones in Clarus and Branchidae. As the god of religious healing, Apollo purified those persons guilty of murder or other grievous sins.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=5&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo)

Greek god of light; god of prophesy and poetry and music and healing; son of Zeus and Leto; twin brother of Artemis
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dapollo)

The God to whose duty was assigned beautifying mortals in form and figure. See Book of Apollo. He had many names, as, Soodhga, So-Gow, Choo Choo, Sudghda, and so on, but the meaning is the same, whether in Chinese, Hindoo, Greek, Latin or English.
www.angelfire.com/in2/oahspe3/glossary.html (http://www.angelfire.com/in2/oahspe3/glossary.html)

Both a Greek god and a Roman god. Apollo was the God of the sun. Each day he rode his chariot led by fiery horses across the sky to give light to the world. He was the most beautiful god. Apollo is also the God of healing. of prophecy, of musical and artistic inspiration, and of archers. The Goddess Diana was his twin sister.
www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spiritual_Dictionary/id/34938 (http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Spiritual_Dictionary/id/34938)

And, remember, "define:apollo" in google will give you more links. "define:" is your best friend in google.

All I know is that if I walked into that pantry and saw that food I would have soooooooo eaten every god damn thing there. For some reason I think i would have just started eating the mustard first.

something bothers me about these candy bars.
i feel like ive seen them before, yet they are nowhere to be found on google.
Check out this site: http://www.thecandycompany.com/discontinued_items.shtml

They are listed here, just scroll down the list.

To avoid getting shot by Desmond, Kate will crawl back into the pantry and subsequently not be heard from again....that is until the show's final episode at which time Jack will open the pantry to find a very alive Kate weighing about 250 lbs.

Can someone post a screencap of the candy bar please?

The candy has no significance other than to show us just what the lostaways were missing. A woman without chocolate is like a man without beer.

Here's a few references to Apollo.

Apollo is considered to have dominion over the plague, light, healing, colonists, medicine, archery, poetry, prophecy, dance, reason, intellectualism and as the patron defender of herds and flocks. Apollo had a famous oracle in Crete and other notable ones in Clarus and Branchidae. As the god of religious healing, Apollo purified those persons guilty of murder or other grievous sins.


hmmm... plague... sins... murder...

"Do you think we are being punished for something?"-Sun

hmmm what could the significance be?

I also had the idea to check the discontinued candy store but unfortunately, they don't still have Apollo candy in stock. This is the closest link I've found to the candy. http://pages.tias.com/2381/PictPage/1921412232.html
I think they probably chose it because of the significance of the name but it was an actual candy. Perhaps it was also chosen because of when it was discontinued(which I haven't found yet but would be curious to know)

Good point about the candy...makes you wonder how long that stuff has been under there. One would think as long as Desmond, but any chance there are deliveries? hehe

At the end of the series, they will discover a Quik Stop at the edge of the island. Silent Bob and Jay will be loitering outside while Dante and Randal play hockey overhead.

I wasn't even supposed to be here today!!

look at this

http://www.blogomonster.com/stonervision/27890/

look at this

http://www.blogomonster.com/stonervision/27890/

So perhaps the name on the chocolate bar wasn't actually the name of the chocolate persay, but perhaps corresponded with some sort of life saving "mission"? Just throwing stuff out here.

look at this

http://www.blogomonster.com/stonervision/27890/

Sweet, that double circle bothered me.

I searched and I don't think there ever was a chocolate bar made in that name, but it could be a hint towards the Mars-Effem company? I pick that company over the others because they have bars with astrological names.


Anti- nuclear power activist Helen Caldicott has spoken out against The Hershey Company on many of her public speaking occasions for what she claims to be negligence on the part of the company. For example in one instance she rhetorically asked: "Did you know that Hershey's Chocolate factory is located less than 13 miles from Three Mile Island?...Don't buy Hershey's chocolate!" ....with the implication that the partial meltdown which occurred there in 1979 contaminated the neighboring countryside with strontium-90 which cows then used for grazing and passed the contamination on in thier milk to the mild chocolate produced in the nearby factory. It has been noted that this claim is ridiculous for several reasons, not the least of which is that the TMI incident released no Sr-90 whatsoever into the environment. The claim gained a certain notoriety for its sensationality and could possibly now be called an urban legend. Even if one assumes that the miniscule ~15 curies of radioactive iodine- 131 released in the TMI incident made its way into the chocolate produced at Hershey's, the 8 day half-life of the isotope would mean that amount of any I-131 left in the product by the time it reached the consumer would be so infinitesimally small as to be undetectable by even the most sensitive measuring techniques. Because the rest of the radioisotopes emitted in the TMI were noble gases which do not bioaccumulate, there was never any actual risk at all of radioactive contamination entering the food chain surrounding the power plant.

Recently Hershey Foods have been accused of using cocoa beans made by slaves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_and_slavery

If I recall correctly, it's all the big companies are accused of this.

This is just too perfect to not be a coincident:

"The Sun Also Heals, Some Believe"
http://www.wordsources.info/apollo.html

Sun (the asian woman) heals people..
I think she has a bigger reason for being on this island then what we've expected...


Edit:
"About 109 Earths could fit side by side across the diameter of the Sun."
So close, but yet so far!

I found this on the 108 site, so Apollo still fits. The gift bag Michael had the polar bear in, had suns on it.

Sun and Earth: The diameter of the Sun is 108 times the diameter of the Earth. The distance from the Sun to the Earth is 108 times the diameter of the Sun.

some choc bar captures
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theapollobar3hy.jpg

I think the most important clue on that candy bar wrapper is the assertion that it's "FULL OF NUTS!" :biggrin:

Best if eaten by October 23, 2004?? Is that what the bottom says?

It appears that the expiration is October 23 2004

Too bad it is already past the expiration date, if only by a few days.

Damn, yall beat me to it! But there is the 23 and 4!

Too bad it is already past the expiration date, if only by a few days.

If you're living in 2004 !

If you're living in 2004 !

Well, they are living in 2004.

Well, they are living in 2004.

Yes. I know....erm...:redface:

how long to candy bars usely last?

I loved Kate's reaction when she saw the candy ... typical women ... would have done the same ... lol

is this a stretch or does the candy nearing its expiration date imply that more fresh candy will be delivered soon?

is this a stretch or does the candy nearing its expiration date imply that more fresh candy will be delivered soon?

As the expiration date has already passed, perhaps the food shipments have stopped. That is why Desmond is surpirsed that the world is still there. He may think that something happend outside and he is now stuck down there for good.

I loved Kate's reaction when she saw the candy ... typical women ... would have done the same ... lol

I particularly enjoed the pseudo-orgasmic rolling of the eyes !:biggrin:

If you look at a still shot of the candy bar close-up, there's a label that says "CT 23 -04". I think this is the expiration date - the CT would be the last two letters of the abbreviation for OCT, maybe? and then the year would be 2004. Did anyone else notice this?

Yeah, we talk about it for about 2 pages in this thread...

Sorry, must have missed all that. Just trying to get in on the fun times, too.

Someone named cincykelly posted this on a thread I started about the candy bar last night:

I posted this on another site:

LOST research:


There was a swan in the middle of the symbol in the hatch: Note the relationship to Apollo


Swan symbolism and mythology
Because of its pure white colour, the swan is a symbol of light in many parts of the world. Though in some regions it was considered a feminine symbol of the moon, in most it was a masculine symbol of the sun. In ancient Greece, for example, the swan was linked to Apollo, the god of the Sun. The god Zeus took the shape of a swan to get close to Leda, with whom he had fallen in love. And in Celic myth, a pair of swans steered the Sunboat across heaven. As a feminine symbol, the swan represents intuition and gracefulness, and goddesses such as Aphrodite and Artemis were sometimes accompanied by swans.
As a symbol in alchemy, the swan was neither masculine nor feminine, but rather symbolised hermaphroditism or 'the marriage of the opposites', fire and water. It was an emblem of mercury, as it was white and very mobile, because of its wings.
In Germanic myth the Valkyries had the power to transform into swans. They were warrior goddesses, bringing victory to one side and defeat to the other, and deciding which warriors could enter Walhalla after death. They would sometimes take off their swan-plumage and appear in human form, but if a man then stole their plumage, they were forced to obey him. However, the Valkyries could also be united with a man through love instead of force. The Valkyrie Kara accompanied her lover Helgi in war, flying over the battlefield in her swan's plumage. She sang a song so soothing that the enemy lost the will to fight. Also in Celtic and Siberian culture stories existed of swans taking off their plumage and turning into maidens.
As a dream symbol, the swan can signify self transformation, intuition, sensitivity, and even the soul, the 'higher Self' within each person.

Apollo was the type of candy Kate was eating: Notice the relationship to being a healer/epidemics! Also - he is a twin!

• Apollo was associated with law, philosophy, and the arts. He sometimes gave the gift of prophecy to mortals whom he loved, such as the Trojan princess Cassandra.
• One of the most important Olympian gods; son of Zeus and Leto, twin brother of Artemis.
• He is considered the ideal of manly beauty, so that a very handsome man might be called an “Apollo”. He is also the god of poetry and music.
• Apollo replaced the Titan Helios as the sun god; however, the Greeks didn’t delete Helios completely but referred to both of them as the Sun gods.
• The arrows of Apollo and Artemis invariably killed and the Greeks explained epidemics of diseases by supposing that they were shooting their arrows at people; and so, by praying to Apollo, the epidemic might be made to stop. In this way, Apollo became associated with the cure of diseases.
• Such so-called cures led to a myth in which Apollo was thought to have had a son, Asclepius (as KLEP ee uhs), who is better known under the Roman version of the name, Aesculapius (es" kyoo LAY pee uhs).
• He was a mortal medical healer who was so successful that he was reputed to have the ability to bring the dead back to life; which resulted in complaints by Hades. As a result, to keep peace in the godly family, Zeus killed him with a thunderbolt.


Someone mentioned they thought it said "dharma" in the middle of the symbol: I found this

When things are going well, and people are kind and treating us with respect, it is not so difficult to wish for them to be happy. However, if our love for others diminishes as soon as they cause us problems or fail to appreciate us, this indicates that our love is not pure. For as long as our good feelings for others are conditional upon their treating us well, our love will be weak and unstable and we shall not be able to transform it into universal love. It is inevitable that people will sometimes respond to our kindness in ungrateful and negative ways, and so it is essential that we find a way of transforming this experience into the spiritual path.

There is a lot of talk about transformation in dharma and also in the description of the swan above!

Original thread: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=20041

If the date on the candy bar was October 23, 2004 , when did the plane crash? could we be expecting a "delivery" soon?

Sorry, must have missed all that. Just trying to get in on the fun times, too.

Oh yeah, I know. I didn't mean for my comment to come off in a negative tone. I was just letting you know to go back a few pages.

Getting in on the fun is the best part of this show =]

Sorry, must have missed all that. Just trying to get in on the fun times, too.

Eh, I know how you feel Shaleen. I went to bed after I watched the episode last night. I had to work 12 hours today. It's seems by the time I get to log on, all my observations have been discussed already. I'm just here to scavange. :rolleyes:

That's the first thing I noticed on the bar. Bad habit after checking the exp date stamps on infant formula. I spent to many years doing this. Now I can't buy anything at the grocery store with out checking the exp date. OCD?

its a tv show guys
they cant use a real name with out paying INSANE roletys

its a tv show guys
they cant use a real name with out paying INSANE roletys


yeh..they can.
It's called "sponsorship" and "product placement".

yeh..they can.
It's called "sponsorship" and "product placement".

Agree Granulated!
Err- I work in advertising and I can think of a few candy companies that would pay TOP DOLLAR to get 23 million people dissecting the importance of their product's appearance in a tv show.
Product placement is THE next big thing and this situation would be an advertisers' wet dream.

Believe me - if the network didn't sell this to Mars or Hershey --- there is a reason for it. (and hopefully it's not stupidity....) :smile:

The Oct. 23 date is interesting in another way. Back in 1650, Archbishop James Ussher calculated the moment of creation as Oct. 23, 4004 B.C. -- precisely at noon. That date was, for centuries, used in all versions of the King James Bible.

Agree Granulated!
Err- I work in advertising and I can think of a few candy companies that would pay TOP DOLLAR to get 23 million people dissecting the importance of their product's appearance in a tv show.
Product placement is THE next big thing and this situation would be an advertisers' wet dream.

Believe me - if the network didn't sell this to Mars or Hershey --- there is a reason for it. (and hopefully it's not stupidity....) :smile:


YOu know that Barbara Hershey's real name is Barbara Smith ? :biggrin:

YOu know that Barbara Hershey's real name is Barbara Smith ? :biggrin:

Who is dating Naveen Andrews... so maybe Sayid has something to do with the candy in the hatch....
:biggrin: JK - (just having a laugh about how us lost fans connect EVERYTHING :rolleyes: )

Seriously, it is hard to imagine that the candy bar has much importance to the overall plot but could be a clue - or just the TPTB giving us something else to dissect instead of the real clues.
Love -this-show!

I agree that I have seen that wrapper before I think it actually could be a prop carried over for the the Willy Wonka Movie from this past summer?

One thing about Apollo: Don't tick him off.

Trust me. :rolleyes:

Here's a few references to Apollo.

Apollo is considered to have dominion over the plague, light, healing, colonists, medicine, archery, poetry, prophecy, dance, reason, intellectualism and as the patron defender of herds and flocks. Apollo had a famous oracle in Crete and other notable ones in Clarus and Branchidae. As the god of religious healing, Apollo purified those persons guilty of murder or other grievous sins.

Colonization, prophecy (by the psychic, Locke, and Walt--so far), and of course reason/science are all themes we've seen in Lost--but Apollo's role as god of medicine might be what's important here. We already have at least two miracle cures associated with the island (Locke and Sarah), plus a sickness and a secret serum. If the mysterious Dharma is a pharmaceutical company, it would make sense for their candy product to be named after Apollo.

I guess we can soon expect an appearance by Apollo's counter-part, Dionysus (who would be man of faith to Apollo's man of reason).

http://www.geneseo.edu/~easton/humanities/Dionysus.html

I agree that I have seen that wrapper before I think it actually could be a prop carried over for the the Willy Wonka Movie from this past summer?

Darnit...I was reading this whole thread, thinking THE EXACT same thing, and here I am, a few posts from the end, and you beat me to it. I am the unobservant, unanalytical type, so I wonder if anyone else could make a connection to that?

Agree Granulated!
Err- I work in advertising and I can think of a few candy companies that would pay TOP DOLLAR to get 23 million people dissecting the importance of their product's appearance in a tv show.
Product placement is THE next big thing and this situation would be an advertisers' wet dream.

Believe me - if the network didn't sell this to Mars or Hershey --- there is a reason for it. (and hopefully it's not stupidity....) :smile:

Just look that the speculation and combing over to figure out that the washer and dryer were from Whirlpool. They'll probably sell a few units, just from that.

Also. Does anyone have a REAL good screen cap of the candy bar that Boone was trying to give to Shannon, in Ep 1 os season 1? It looked, to me and my wife, like the right colors of the Apollo bar. But, our DVD player won't single step, and we can't get it just right. Even looked like the name had 6 letters, in the same yellowish colors.

AdvTHANKSance

Also. Does anyone have a REAL good screen cap of the candy bar that Boone was trying to give to Shannon, in Ep 1 os season 1? It looked, to me and my wife, like the right colors of the Apollo bar. But, our DVD player won't single step, and we can't get it just right. Even looked like the name had 6 letters, in the same yellowish colors.



I don't have a screen cap, but went back and watched in super slo-mo - I don't think they ever show it. They just show the back and the side. I guess it was before they were able to get a gazillion $ for product placements...

Here:

http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apollobar5bu.jpg

I can't take credit for it. Someone else got the great capture.

AdvTHANKSance

LOL. Nice :drowsy:

Hey, Nay815... I notice your avatar is similar to others on this board which leads me to believe it has Lost significance. But I don't recognize it off-hand. Is that image in the mural somewhere?

Hey, Nay815... I notice your avatar is similar to others on this board which leads me to believe it has Lost significance. But I don't recognize it off-hand. Is that image in the mural somewhere?

I'm pretty sure that's the Oceanic Airlines logo.

Hey, Nay815... I notice your avatar is similar to others on this board which leads me to believe it has Lost significance. But I don't recognize it off-hand. Is that image in the mural somewhere?
It's Oceanic with the color removed. As to it being in the mural, I believe it is. The circle with the dot in the center.

Kinda looks like an eye opened wide in shock too, doesn't it?

ahhh... so it is... so it is... thanks.

I wouldn't rule out a significance of the Apollo candybar. The God Apollo has always been related to the Sun, and the Sun is prominently featured on that wall...there's also what could be a circle with a dot in the middle (to the right of what looks like an arrow, under the face), and that's Apollo's symbol, isn't it? I'm not sure about the latter, though, just looked at a few screencaps :huh:
edited: I found that Apollo's Sacred animals are the Swan, dolphin and wolf.
To me the Apollo candybar is just another way to imply the "function" of that hatch. Oh, and don't forget the olive oil and its symbolism (purification, cleansing)
My bad, I forgot t post the link:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html

I reckon, the chocolate bar is just a chocolate bar. We have galaxy, mars, milky way chocolates, so I think the producers just made up a similar name. With all this business with writing the twists and red herrings in the actual plot, I doubt they have time for inventive chocolate bar names.

I Googled these and they don't appear to ever have existed in real life. I found a Japanese brand of chocolate-cranberry candies but that's it.

So, I'm wondering if there's any significance. Apollo is the Greek god of the sun, but here's some more info that I found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo :

The name Apollo might have been derived from a Pre-Hellenic compound Apo-ollon, likely related to an archaic verb Apo-ell- and literally meaning "he who elbows off", that is "the Dispelling One." Indeed, he seems to have personified dispelling power, which would relate to his association with the darkness-dispelling power of the morning sun and the conceived power of reason and prophecy to dispel doubt and ignorance. In addition:

The apparent expelling character of city walls and doorways as bulwarks against trespassers
The people-dispelling nature of disembarkations and expatriations to colonies
The disease-dispelling character of healing
The predator-dispelling character of a shepherd tending his flocks
The pest-dispelling nature of a farmer growing crops
The power of music and the arts to dispel discord and barbary
The highly important power of fit and skilled young men to dispel intruders and invading armies.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo

Hmm... verrrrrry interesting. Dispelling darkness - like the sun lamps Desmond has outside his window? And what about all the dispelling against intruders, predators, invaders, etc.? And the power of music (for example, "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass) to dispel discord and barbary? And I wonder if the shepherd reference has anything to do with Jack?

If this was any other show, I'd think I was reading too much into this.
hugofan, you get 5 gold stars for this post! :79: :79: :79: :79: :79: That is QUITE a find! Everything that you listed under Apollo seems to be able to be tied into Desmond! Very good indeed!! :biggrin:

It's Oceanic with the color removed. As to it being in the mural, I believe it is. The circle with the dot in the center.

Kinda looks like an eye opened wide in shock too, doesn't it?
I just really looked at it, Nay. It's been in color so much that I didn't pay much attention to your b&w version. But it also looks like an island with a crater in the middle. There's a crater on the island, though we haven't been there yet, shown on Danielle's map. Perhaps the dots are the sharks surrounding the island? Ok ... I think I am getting sleepy! :24:

I wouldn't rule out a significance of the Apollo candybar. The God Apollo has always been related to the Sun, and the Sun is prominently featured on that wall...there's also what could be a circle with a dot in the middle (to the right of what looks like an arrow, under the face), and that's Apollo's symbol, isn't it? I'm not sure about the latter, though, just looked at a few screencaps :huh:
edited: I found that Apollo's Sacred animals are the Swan, dolphin and wolf.
To me the Apollo candybar is just another way to imply the "function" of that hatch. Oh, and don't forget the olive oil and its symbolism (purification, cleansing)
My bad, I forgot t post the link:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html
You know, I still think that "shark" looked an awful lot like a dolphin. Anyone have a cap that clearly shows it's a shark?

Well how about that? I see 23-04 on the label

If you're talking about the dot with circle around it on the mural, that's both the ancient symbol for Apollo, and the modern symbol for hydrogen. The two are related, inasmuch as Apollo was god of the sun, and the sun is mostly comprised of hydrogren. But it has another meaning in chemistry -- the dot in the center is a nucleus with a single proton, the circle around the outside is the field (or, "orbit") of a single electron. Hydrogen's atomic weight is "1."

Also. Does anyone have a REAL good screen cap of the candy bar that Boone was trying to give to Shannon, in Ep 1 os season 1? It looked, to me and my wife, like the right colors of the Apollo bar. But, our DVD player won't single step, and we can't get it just right. Even looked like the name had 6 letters, in the same yellowish colors.

I just came across a thread onanother board with screen caps and comparisons. I think it's quite possible.


Thread: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15807

Pics: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8862/apolloboone1pu.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4663/apollo5rk.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apollo5rk0bz.jpg

Comments? :grin:

Is it a European candy bar? 1.76 Ounces ~50 grams.

Where were you people when I posted THIS???

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=514742&postcount=21



I just came across a thread onanother board with screen caps and comparisons. I think it's quite possible.


Thread: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15807

Pics: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8862/apolloboone1pu.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4663/apollo5rk.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apollo5rk0bz.jpg

Comments? :grin:

Where were you people when I posted THIS???

I never saw that thread. I'm so sorry!

I just came across a thread onanother board with screen caps and comparisons. I think it's quite possible.


Thread: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15807

Pics: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8862/apolloboone1pu.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4663/apollo5rk.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apollo5rk0bz.jpg

Comments? :grin:

Thanks. My wife caught that one. And, after brightning the pic slightly via gamma setting, you can see it better. Not great, but better.

And, someone, either in this thread or another, said that things weren't cut in stone in the pilots. But, if you listen to the audio commentary, you hear that the monster, and its noise, were already setup from the start. That there is an outline, with several things set in stone. So, there might be other things that some people would dismiss, but that that might be a mistake. Anything's up for play.

I guess you can't second guess JJ, Damon and crew. :biggrin:

Where were you people when I posted THIS???

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=514742&postcount=21

I read your post and mentioned it on the LLL to keep an EYE out for a good screencap. I'm sorry I didn't post on the thread that I thought it was a cool idea, but I try not to post unless I have something to say.
LOL...................look at my post count :blush: :helps: :lost:

I'm sorry I didn't post on the thread that I thought it was a cool idea, but I try not to post unless I have something to say. LOL...................look at my post count
LOL that cracked me up.

I'm thinking that the chocolate bars are all Apollo and that's just the brand name they came up with instead of using a known brand. The close ups seem too similar to not be.. the same..:lipsseal:

LOL that cracked me up.

I'm thinking that the chocolate bars are all Apollo and that's just the brand name they came up with instead of using a known brand.

i wouldnt doubt that either...i dont think they used actual brand names in any of the episodes.

I think the one Boone and Shannon had says "Pharma."

Hehehehehe. Got a screen cap of that there, Danger? ;)

If you're talking about the dot with circle around it on the mural, that's both the ancient symbol for Apollo, and the modern symbol for hydrogen. The two are related, inasmuch as Apollo was god of the sun, and the sun is mostly comprised of hydrogren. But it has another meaning in chemistry -- the dot in the center is a nucleus with a single proton, the circle around the outside is the field (or, "orbit") of a single electron. Hydrogen's atomic weight is "1."
Now why does it not seem odd that someone with the user name of Cosmic Ray would know this? ;)

So what do we think it does represent then? Energy? Apollo? The sun again? Or simply a "dot on the map" to show us a location of something?

I just came across a thread onanother board with screen caps and comparisons. I think it's quite possible.


Thread: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15807

Pics: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8862/apolloboone1pu.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4663/apollo5rk.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apollo5rk0bz.jpg

Comments? :grin:
It's so obviously the exact same bar! What a great find!! So, they've been here since season one. :biggrin:

I think the one Boone and Shannon had says "Pharma."
Absolutely. :ermm: Yes dd - we all know that it says it. There's lots that say it. OMG in fact today at work someone called and asked to be connected to the PHARMAcy. I thought of this board. Later in the day, the PHARMAcist took her lunch and passed right by me - and once aqain I thought.. wow.. dd was so right - it's all about Pharma!. So of course it means that you absolutely are correct - it says "Pharma" and it is also chock full o nuts

Where were you people when I posted THIS???

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=514742&postcount=21
I saw that when you posted it but I can't make out the candy bar from that shot. Sorry.

I think the one Boone and Shannon had says "Pharma."
Now cut that out! :nono:

:toot:

http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pharmabar4wt.jpg

There you go, plain as day.
Well, that settles it then. :24:

Im not making out the candybar wrapper at all...

I almost want to ask a writer.

http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pharmabar4wt.jpg

There you go, plain as day.

:rotflmao:

Cute, Danger, very cute! :smile:

Also, if you look when Jack is examining his father's hotel room, on the bedstand (I was trying to read the pill bottles), there is a crumpled up candy bar wrapper that looks like it's maybe the right colors...

You know that statement is useless without a screencap :biggrin:

So I got out the DVD, watched it three times, zoomed in on that bar Boone had in his hand as close as it would let me and then grabbed the magnifying glass.
Why? Damn if I know :rolleyes:
I couldn't tell what kind of candy Boone had. Apollo bars are discontinued according the the discontinued candy site on the web AND I can't really see how this would advance the mystery unless Oceanic stocked the hatch.:hypocrit:

I dont have the means to take them. :ohwell: Dvds it is then...I could put a screencap up if my computer was going randomly evil on me.

You know that statement is useless without a screencap :biggrin:

I've got one! Someone posted a screen cap the other day when we were discussing the medicine bottle labels.

I might hav eanother one if this isn't right.

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=christiansmeds013eu5wg.png

I've got one! Someone posted a screen cap the other day when we were discussing the medicine bottle labels.

I might hav eanother one if this isn't right.

http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=christiansmeds013eu5wg.png
That's my cap! :: feelin' so proud! ::

Thanks for putting it up again. I thought it had the candy wrapper in it and there it is. But it's not an Apollo bar. :frown:

Dont even think its a candybar wrapper. I distinctly see the word *supply* on that thing. Think its a bag the pills came in. Maybe its a *gasp* S. Pharma bag ;)

Nice find. I can't get "Apollo" out of that. Or "Pharma."

and is that a roach in the little pile of ashes???
No. I think it's part of a cigg.

Dont even think its a candybar wrapper. I distinctly see the word *supply* on that thing. Think its a bag the pills came in. Maybe its a *gasp* S. Pharma bag ;)
I actually think it's a pack of Australian ciggs. The pack looks like it's crumpled lengthwise.

I actually think it's a pack of Australian ciggs.
Yeah, the wad looks too thick to merely be a candy wrapper. I thought it was a folded up pamphlet myself.

When looking at the package it really doesnt look like a pack of cigs either. Ive never seen a pack of cigs crumple that way. And it looks far bigger then a pack of cigs would be. Plus I see *supply* on it and I cant imagine the word supply being on a pack of cigs.

I think its just a random piece of trash after all :biggrin:

some choc bar captures
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theapollobar3hy.jpg


Man, those chocolate bars look good. I want one :frown: :biggrin:

I loved Kate's reaction when she saw the candy ... typical women ... would have done the same ... lol

Typical women? Bah! I would have reacted the same way :biggrin:

Nice find. I can't get "Apollo" out of that. Or "Pharma."

and is that a roach in the little pile of ashes???

Word. It does look like a roach. :rotflmao:

I love that he's taking Placebo pills, lol.

It amazes me how careful the creative team has been. Even the newspaper-----Sayid and the terrorist.

Yeah but why make the Placebo so clear? I guess it's a joke? Seems odd though when they go to the trouble of making the newspaper.

Yeah but why make the Placebo so clear? I guess it's a joke? Seems odd though when they go to the trouble of making the newspaper.

Agree, it does seem odd. Perhaps it is labeled that way so he could get it pass customs?????

P.S. I also think it is a crumbled cig pack.

Placebo is a latin word. I think people probably know its meaning everywhere. It would be more likely, that if he had a prescription bottle full of pills labeled "placebo" that he would get stopped for that than he would if he had an actual prescription. It's also interesting that that bottle has no instructions or anything. While the other one we see part of the label on does.

Placebo pills are usually sugar pills, and rarely actually labeled placebo on the bottle since they are mainly used as controls in drug trials, or to placate people who believe they're sick but actually aren't.

OK, even though *I* started it, I'm gonna bust everybody's bubbles. It's "placebo" because the show needed a real pill bottle for a prop, and the prescribing doc / pharmacy wasn't comfortable giving them anything else. They didn't realize geeks like us would actually freeze that particular frame and try to read the bottle.

And as for the newspaper headline, it's "USA Today." Since when would they cover anything in Australia? And didn't something like that actually happen in the US around the time this would have been filmed?

Danger, don't you think USA today would cover a large terrorist bust in Oz? I do.
And surely someone on the set had a prescription bottle and can always make a fake label.

Placebo is a latin word. I think people probably know its meaning everywhere. It would be more likely, that if he had a prescription bottle full of pills labeled "placebo" that he would get stopped for that than he would if he had an actual prescription. It's also interesting that that bottle has no instructions or anything. While the other one we see part of the label on does.

Placebo pills are usually sugar pills, and rarely actually labeled placebo on the bottle since they are mainly used as controls in drug trials, or to placate people who believe they're sick but actually aren't.

Well said :smile:

OK, even though *I* started it, I'm gonna bust everybody's bubbles. It's "placebo" because the show needed a real pill bottle for a prop, and the prescribing doc / pharmacy wasn't comfortable giving them anything else. They didn't realize geeks like us would actually freeze that particular frame and try to read the bottle.

And as for the newspaper headline, it's "USA Today." Since when would they cover anything in Australia? And didn't something like that actually happen in the US around the time this would have been filmed?

Now I hate to burst your bubble, LOL, but I worked on the tv show ER for 5 seasons. They use "real" pill bottles all the time. There is no need for an actual doctor or pharmacy. Prop companies make "real" pill bottles, and you can get anything put on the label. There's no reason to worry about it somehow coming into the wrong hands because it would be a fake bottle from a fake pharmacy with fake pills inside. Placebo is commonly written on these bottles as an inside joke, but you can just as easily label it any real drug that you need.

I hadn't ever noticed the placebo label, but I'm tickled to see it now. I'm sure it's just one of many inside jokes.

I hadn't ever noticed the placebo label, but I'm tickled to see it now. I'm sure it's just one of many inside jokes.

Like the boar with the note in its mouth on the 'Lost Dog' flyer?
Nevermind, sorry I brought it up ;)

I was just yanking everybody's chain. And it worked ;)

But tell us about working on "ER." How absolutely cool! I for one want to hear all about it.

It's not particularly impressive. I was by no means important or a major crew member. Just want to make that clear. I worked as a stand-in and as a trauma nurse doing the "emergency operations" on the patients that were brought into the ER. But I did learn alot about production there and now I'm in film school.

It's not particularly impressive. I was by no means important or a major crew member. Just want to make that clear. I worked as a stand-in and as a trauma nurse doing the "emergency operations" on the patients that were brought into the ER. But I did learn alot about production there and now I'm in film school.

If you get to say "hey look - there I am" more than 3 times on an emmy winning tv show, that's pretty impressive!! I am so jealous of people in film school. It was a passion of mine for years when I was younger but I ended up learning some web programming languages and gravitated towards the computer jobs.

Now I fully regret not going.

Yeah, the wad looks too thick to merely be a candy wrapper. I thought it was a folded up pamphlet myself.
Well, my smokes come in a box because I hate the soft packs but if I ever get stuck with a soft pack, once I'm done I twist in the the middle, longwise, so it kind of looks like a bow tie when it's done (pinched in the middle and flared on either end). So, it does look like that to me in the pix. But, you're right. I new see "Supply" on the side (actually, I see Suppl but I think it's safe to assume the last letter is a "y"). I also saw "HH" under the word Supply and did a google search for supply + hh and found this: >>Healthcare at Home (HH) previously exclusive providers of homecare services with Cerezyme(delivery and nursing).

Genzyme introduced in-house homecare service provision and would only supply HH with Cerezyme at the same price as it provided the drug and its homecare services to the NHS.<<

I wonder if the wrapper does have something to do with his meds.

I work in advertising and I can think of a few candy companies that would pay TOP DOLLAR to get 23 million people dissecting the importance of their product's appearance in a tv show.

HAHAHA! That got me a laugh. When I read that I was thinking of people trying to determine the meaning behind popular chocolate bar brands:

Mars: "It means they are really on Mars!"
Snickers: "Sawyer snickered once and there are Snickers in the bunker. Sawyer is really Desmond!"
Bounty: "Like Mutiny on the Bounty. Desmond was on a ship and mutinied and was abandonned on the island!"
Caramilk: "Caramilk has lots of secrets!"

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I work in advertising and I can think of a few candy companies that would pay TOP DOLLAR to get 23 million people dissecting the importance of their product's appearance in a tv show.
After the M&M fiasco from ET, I agree. Anything associated with Lost would probably fly off the shelves. The numbers certainly took on a life of their own in the state lottos.

Snickers: "Sawyer snickered once and there are Snickers in the number. Sawyer is really Desmond!"

HAHAHAHA....ah man, this one made my day, specifically the last part.

If you get to say "hey look - there I am" more than 3 times on an emmy winning tv show, that's pretty impressive!! I am so jealous of people in film school. It was a passion of mine for years when I was younger but I ended up learning some web programming languages and gravitated towards the computer jobs.

Now I fully regret not going.

it's never to late! believe me, after years of not doing what I wanted, I decided to bite the bullet and just go to film school and see what happens. Now I just finished my first real short film, which I hope to enter into festivals and I graduate in December.

HAHAHA! That got me a laugh. When I read that I was thinking of people trying to determine the meaning behind popular chocolate bar brands: Mars: "It means they are really on Mars!" Snickers: "Sawyer snickered once and there are Snickers in the bunker. Sawyer is really Desmond!" Bounty: "Like Mutiny on the Bounty. Desmond was on a ship and mutinied and was abandonned on the island!" Caramilk: "Caramilk has lots of secrets!" :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
LOL which is exactly why I thought they just made up a name.. If they went with a name we knew we'd be all over that.. if they put a specific drug name on the label of the Rx bottle we'd be speculating on whether Jack would have the same ailment or condition..

I rewatched both season 2 eps earlier today - this time on my computer using headphones (which I gotta say makes things even more creepy) - I kept pausing and rewatching trying to see all sorts of things - and when the newspaper and crumpled paper was there, I almost knocked over everything on my desk because I was trying to look at things upside down -- by bending over.. crazy

That's my cap! :: feelin' so proud! ::

Thanks for putting it up again. I thought it had the candy wrapper in it and there it is. But it's not an Apollo bar. :frown:

I'm glad you saw this! I always like to attribute my sources, and I couldn't for the life of me remember which thread it was from and it was really bugging me!

Good work! :D

Someone told me that the Apollo candy bar was on the plane as well, but with a more modern logo. Has this been discussed? Anyone know if this is true?

And surely someone on the set had a prescription bottle and can always make a fake label.
That's what I thought. I have about 4 empty ones at home right now.

Like the boar with the note in its mouth on the 'Lost Dog' flyer?
Nevermind, sorry I brought it up ;)
Oh, I forgot about something I found. I saw a pix for dogs for sale and they looked just like that dog! They were ... Australian Labradoodles! You can see them here: http://www.labradoodles-pa.com/album/media-gallery_doodle-pictures.html

Oh, I forgot about something I found. I saw a pix for dogs for sale and they looked just like that dog! They were ... Australian Labradoodles! You can see them here: http://www.labradoodles-pa.com/album/media-gallery_doodle-pictures.html

Nice looking dog but nothing like what I see when I zoom in on that flyer. Wish I could get a better screen capture. Ever since I slicked the hard drive and reloaded the computer a few weeks ago, the darn think is not working like it should. Probably loaded something out of sequence------ah, the joy of Windows

Nice looking dog but nothing like what I see when I zoom in on that flyer. Wish I could get a better screen capture. Ever since I slicked the hard drive and reloaded the computer a few weeks ago, the darn think is not working like it should. Probably loaded something out of sequence------ah, the joy of Windows
You really don't think that flyer dog looks like the dogs I saw? I do. They have the same fuzzy muzle and little eyes and forehead as that flyer dog does. Well, I think it's one of them and the "Austrailan" tie-in is a cute one. ;)

Sorry your on a PC. I am a Mac Gal and now that I'm on OSX-Tiger, I have no computer problems at all. This OS is awesome.

Now back to topic and "Which kinda' doggie is that on the flyer?" :24:

How can a candy bar that's "full of nuts" be so skinny? It looked like a chocolate covered caramel bar to me.

Geez. Now I want some chocolate.

Has anyone considered the Pandora's box angle? Apollo was one of the gods that was involved in Pandora's creation. "I think hope is inside" - John Locke referring to the hatch. Hope was the last thing in pandora's box.

Zealot,

That's an interesting observation. Pandora's box has been a theme/motif in several episodes.

I'm not sure I'd give much weight to an Apollo connection with that unless we started seeing othr references to other greek gods, since basically all of the gods gave gifts to Pandora.

I was reading another thread today about Randy - Hurley's and Locke's boss - and someone had put up links to screencaps of Randy from both Walkabout and EHH. In the cap from Walkabout, Randy's eating a candy bar. Couldn't tell if it was an Apollo bar or not. But that was the first question to enter my mind when I saw the pic.

I don't have the DVDs of S1 yet (Christmas!) so can't check Walkabout.

I did a search on "Randy" from this thread to see if it was mentioned, but nothing came up. I simply can't read through all 14 pages right now.

I don't know WHY this would be significant, lol, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Would be interesting if an Apollo bar was in the first season.

I just watched this and took a screencapture. The bar he is holding is a granola bar and the wrapper is almost all silver and what appears to be an orangish-color. Here is a capture of the actual granola bar out of the wrapper though:

http://sier_element.home.comcast.net/granola.jpg

Thanks Sier. Ah well....another 'what if?' all shot to hell, lol...

How can a candy bar that's "full of nuts" be so skinny? It looked like a chocolate covered caramel bar to me.

Geez. Now I want some chocolate.

I wondered the same thing. Full of nuts? What kind, ground up peanuts? It's like half the thickness of a Twix and its almost totally smooth on top....

Thanks Sier. Ah well....another 'what if?' all shot to hell, lol...

I wish I wasnt the bearer of bad news. I keep waiting for that moment that someone asks for a screencapture and its a revelation of some sort. Like a Dharma logo in plain site in season one or something. That would flip me out..haha.

hmmm... plague... sins... murder...

"Do you think we are being punished for something?"-Sun

hmmm what could the significance be?

I'm not sure about punishment, exactly (in fact, I'm not sure about much of anything!), but I've been pondering the science vs. faith issue and thinking about the 7 deadly sins: pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed and sloth. I just get the feeling that these, somehow connect. I think it's pretty safe to say there is a least one lostaway/taillie that comes to mind for each of them and, in some cases, more than one "sin" per person.

Any thoughts? Anyone out there able to help me connect this? How might it fit in with the rest of what we know?

I was reading another thread today about Randy - Hurley's and Locke's boss - and someone had put up links to screencaps of Randy from both Walkabout and EHH. In the cap from Walkabout, Randy's eating a candy bar. Couldn't tell if it was an Apollo bar or not. But that was the first question to enter my mind when I saw the pic.

(snip)

I don't know WHY this would be significant, lol, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Would be interesting if an Apollo bar was in the first season.

It would be interesting if this were the case. This is the oly screencap at Lost media of Randy holding a candybar, not much to see.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=22&pos=291

It would be interesting if this were the case. This is the oly screencap at Lost media of Randy holding a candybar, not much to see.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=22&pos=291

Yeah, when I made the screencap of the granola bar earlier in this thread I tried to find a good frame of the wrapper, but there just isnt one. It's silver and orange, but its clearly granola when its unwrapped.

Zealot,
That's an interesting observation. Pandora's box has been a theme/motif in several episodes.

I'm not sure I'd give much weight to an Apollo connection with that unless we started seeing othr references to other greek gods, since basically all of the gods gave gifts to Pandora.
Well, on another thread in EHH section they're talking about the DHARMA logo in the second hatch as being that of an arrow. The SWAN and ARROW are astrological symbols. And the symbol for Apollo is on the mural ... the circle with the dot in the center. So there could still be a connection somehow. And I think that the candy bar Boone give to Shannon was an Apollow bar. So we did see it in season one. :smile:

I'd forgotten the Apollo symbol was on teh mural. The connections add up after awhile, eh?

I hadn't ever noticed the placebo label, but I'm tickled to see it now. I'm sure it's just one of many inside jokes.


I'm pretty sure that it doesn't say placebo.
I enlarged an shopped the capture.
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=notplacebo6gu.jpg

I've seen a screencap of Walt standing by the fuselage(from season one) and one of
the Dharma logos is on the plane.

I've seen a screencap of Walt standing by the fuselage(from season one) and one of
the Dharma logos is on the plane.

Unless you have a new screencap beyond the one that's already been discussed here, this has been debunked. It's not a Dharma logo.