Right...

Here's a wee theory about when/if we see the monster in Season 2 (since a lot of other crack-pots are regularly coming out with bizarre stuff I feel it's this crack-pot's turn):-

I read on one of these random lost sites that the writers state we do not physically see the 'monster' / 'security system' in series 1, but we do see it's shadow clearly (to be specific, the one where Boone's out his eye-balls on Locke's LSD paste). Now the shadow just so happens to be when Boone and his sister are hiding in the thick bamboo canes during his vision / mushroom-paste trip.

From what I seen after many replays, it appears that the big guy has more than one head (if it has any heads at all that is). I wish I could upload a picture or something but the best I can do is say it's at 22 minutes 40 secs in the episode.

Then I seen the mural in Desmondo's wee flat and the big black/white faces right next to each other reminded me of the shadow and the two heads thing. I think that it might turn out to be some bio-mechanical, good/bad, feng shui, cosmic balance type entity and wee Des drew a picture of it in his mural of island mysteries.

What do ye's think? Absolute nonsense? OK then, I'll get my coat...

:biggrin:

Then I seen the mural in Desmondo's wee flat and the big black/white faces right next to each other reminded me of the shadow and the two heads thing. Not to mention the two-headed masonic symbol in Desmond's shirt back in the stadium scene...

Good shout Lektu!

Desmond must know about the beast/thing and that mural has defo got a sh!t load of clues stashed away in it. It's just that we won't know what's what until we see another 10 or so episodes.

The shadow of it is confusing though. It appears to be very fluctuant from the waist (if it has one) up and constantly moving around all over. Not a lot is really said about the monster in the show or by the writers but I think anything said surely must have some substinance.

Much like Rose recognising the sound it makes as something 'familiar' all the way back in episode 2 or 3. That will have some significance too probably.

hmm something that would sound familiar to someone living in the Bronx.. and has the shape of two heads sticking out.. . hmm maybe some sort of huge forklift?

I always heard a few sounds that sounded familiar. The sound of a steam whistle, lowered in octave. They even comment on it on the audio commentary for episodes 1 and 2. One time, even saying "quitting time" when it happened. It's the "roar" sound. Might also be an air raid siren, but sped up a lot and dropped several octaves, as it seems to start low, rise up a bit, and then drop again. Like aaaaOOOOaaaa, but stretched out over several seconds.

I also hear the sound of a chain hoist paying out chain, like you would hear on ships dropping anchor, fast. It's also in a loop, as the sound only lasts about a half a second. You hear the same sound when Locke's being pulled to the hole. To me, it's not the sound of a chain being hoisted, though. I heard that sound too many times when I was on ship in the navy. Totally different sound.

Also, I hear the sound of metal scraping metal. Like a thin piece of metal being drawn over a thicker piece of metal. Maybe even a knife being honed on a steel.

So far, I can't make out any organic sounds. It's all mechanical to me.

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Well, so far from reading this we have a two headed falcon (the masonic symbol on Desmond's jogging suit) with black and white plumage, that is obviously mechanical and most likely carrying an anchor on a chain due to the sounds. That is invisible since we only see his shadow and according to Marshall from ALIAS gets that invisible property from the polar bear.

Not bad I say not bad at all.

Well, so far from reading this we have a two headed falcon (the masonic symbol on Desmond's jogging suit) with black and white plumage, that is obviously mechanical and most likely carrying an anchor on a chain due to the sounds. That is invisible since we only see his shadow and according to Marshall from ALIAS gets that invisible property from the polar bear.

Not bad I say not bad at all.

I agree. :biggrin:

So a feng sui monster is rearranging the island for maximum energy flow. Killer I love that theory. It's so... I don't know, balanced.

Whenever I imagine them revealing monsters I somehow see the show turning into Land of the Lost meets Xena meets Doom. I should maybe see a doctor about that.

Personally I'm holding out for the Montauk Expreiments theory. For those unfamilliar, In that US government myth a psychic guy in an ultra secret experiment shoots a big monster out of his mind which proceeds to destroy the lab. And suppose that project got transferred to our little island. And Desmond is there as some kind of guardsman.

Once you're shooting monsters out of your mind, all bets are off as far as sound is concerned. If this monster is some interdimensional psychic projection then maybe the guy projecting him is from broklyn and subconciously incorporating subway train sounds in with his creation. How's that for a stretch.

You want crackpot, there it is BROTHA!

Hmm. Amber...thats an interesting point. Rose said she heard that sound before and she's from the Bronx? And then we have the picture of the world trade centers. Maybe thats where she heard it - from when they were cleaning up the site? She heard the forklifts and crane's.

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"I also hear the sound of a chain hoist paying out chain, like you would hear on ships dropping anchor, fast. It's also in a loop, as the sound only lasts about a half a second. You hear the same sound when Locke's being pulled to the hole. To me, it's not the sound of a chain being hoisted, though. I heard that sound too many times when I was on ship in the navy. Totally different sound."

I was hoping I wasn't the only person on the planet who noticed this. This is definitely what I heard at the end of last season, the mechanical noise, with the only physical manifestations being the black wispy smoke (not Danielle's beach fire), the trees exploding out of the ground, and whatever was gripping Locke from below (and didn't leave a mark on him).

What I haven't read in anyone's posts so far is that I heard the noise again this season, when Jack is exploring the hatch... he goes into the geodesic dome room with the very old computer equipment, a big old reel-to-reel computer thingie is running, and I swear I heard THE SAME SOUND. Made me think the black smoke, exploding trees, and leg gripping could also have been computer-controlled effects from underground. Makes the "security system" idea more plausible, too, because it could be programmed to trigger automatically when certain switches are triggered, like approacking the Black Rock.

I'm curious if anyone else heard this sound in the hatch when Jack was exploring.

In the first season Locke came face to face with the "monster" and smiled. He has, apparently, seen it and is no longer frightened. When the "chain" grabbed him and threatened to pull him down into the rabbit hole he was also not frightened. Seemes scary to me... but the unknown often is. What do ya think he knows?

The sound of the chain seems an awful lot like a rollercoaster car being dragged up the first hill

the monster is a cloud of nano bots that can form together.

having lived in chicago for a while, and Rose living in the Bronx saying the sound is familiar, it made me think that it sounds a bit like an L (elevated train). Although, this is proabably much different than that, but maybe just maybe some type of transportation device? It doesn't explain the attacks though...Hmmmmm?:undecide:

There are definitely different sounds involved. Firstly we have the sounds it produces when it moves about, and attacks. But then we have the new sound of when Locke is being dragged down into the tunnel. That was definitely some form of ratcheted chain system. Overall the "monster sounds" are definitely mechanical.

Also on a new note, in the "orientation video, isn't hanso meant to be some sort of weapons creator (or am I looking at too many unofficial sites/Theories?).

Anyone have links to the screenshots of the monsters shadow?

"After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems, Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity."

From the Hanso Foundation website.

the monster is a cloud of nano bots that can form together.


Somebody call SG-1 the replicators are coming.

For me that sound definately took me back to Disney Land as a kid. The Island is seeming more and more like some fantastic Disney Land ride except this time everyone gets to bring a lot of baggage. Anyone ever take the Pirates of the Carribean ride or some of the others rides in the Adventure section of the park when they were real small? It has that feel to me. Like the characters/us are being propelled by some unseen force never knowing what will reveal itself from within the mysterious shadows.

the monster is a cloud of nano bots that can form together.

That would explain why why it's body (in the shadow) is always moving...

Hi. New here. This has most likely been discussed. Has the idea of nano technology been explored? I just finished reading Michael Crichton's book "Prey." It's all about swarms of microscopic nano robots that when clustered together look like black clouds. I suppose it's based on scientific potentiality rather than reality. Though I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is in the works. Anyway, just throwing it out there.

I'm going with the Magnet theory. I think the island security system is rigged by iron fragments that are magnetically charged and directed from point a to point b, by some power source (perhaps whatever made that cranking noise.) You see the black smoke when Locke is pulled into that hole. I think he just happened to cross over a magnetic sensory thresh hold and it pulled him in. The black smoke could be the iron fragments. It would explain how the plane crashed there anyway--It was pulled down. Just a thought ;).

how about a screen cap of this easy to see shadow?????

Here Noeland, I found one from Exodus pt.2...

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=670

Maybe a more relavant question is not so much WHAT is the creature, but WHO and WHY the security system was made.

Ok, so we know from Danielle that the creature is a "security system" to "protect the island". I think it is most probable that the creature is a result of whatever the Hanso foundation was doing on the island, although this isn't proven.

- who or what is the creature protecting the island from?
- what exactly is it protecting?

It would seem that if you wanted to protect an island from man, you would instead build it with something like an electric fence and camera security system... something less complicated to get the job done. Why go through the trouble with making a mysterious invisible CREATURE that is localized?

That is unless:
- you're NOT protecting the facilities in the typical sense.
- the "security system" is only Daniel's interpretation, and it really ISN'T a security system
- it's the only way to manipulate the "experiement" without skewing the results (ie the pilot of 815 isn't supposed to be there, so the creature kills him and the survivors will continue doing what they are here for. Contrast that with a more mundane way: security personnel getting rid of him)
- it's purpose is more psychological than physical

To continue, let's just say that the creature IS a nanocloud, or a EM monster, or 30 foot invisible hobbit. Now what?

The more relevance to figuring out the mystery is WHY... right?

girlspy,
thanks but that isn't what I was speaking of.

I was actually talking about the "shadow" from hearts and minds that damon was referring to.. I checked lost media and did not find it. :(

Njc

I may be wrong but I believe the producers have ruled out nano technology...help me here...it's late and I am tired...so very tired...

I may be wrong but I believe the producers have ruled out nano technology...help me here...it's late and I am tired...so very tired...

Yeah they have. It doesn't really fit either, what with all the noises it makes, plus, nanites can't really influence the environment quite as violently as we have seen the monster doing.

Remember the pilot episode, where the monster passes by the cockpit of the plane? In that it looks like a giant humanoid, plus it was making booming vibrations as if something with extreme mass was walking. I doubt nanites are capable of that.

Robot. The monster is a Robot.

My son thinks its a robot too. If it were real then Locke would have been scared wouldnt he ? It certainly sounds like a robot. Could be some sort of cyborg polar bear :biggrin: :redface:

Yeah they have. It doesn't really fit either, what with all the noises it makes, plus, nanites can't really influence the environment quite as violently as we have seen the monster doing.

Remember the pilot episode, where the monster passes by the cockpit of the plane? In that it looks like a giant humanoid, plus it was making booming vibrations as if something with extreme mass was walking. I doubt nanites are capable of that.

Actually in Michael Crichton's novel Prey the nanites do make noises quite similar (in my imagination anyway) to those of the Lost nanites. Also in Prey the nanites have been manufactured in a way that they can manipulate the environment. In one instance they lift someone off the ground, in another they drag someone. (Like Locke.) In yet another they take the shape of a human being and mimic its movements almost perfectly. And in another they actually form a symbiotic relationship with a human making the person somewhat "superhuman" if you'll allow the expression. this would explain the strength Ethan had over Jack and the strength "the Others" seem to have over the likes of men such as Mr. Ecko.

In Prey you will also find that there was a group of scientists 'quarantined' in a safe structure air tight from these nanites. they even injected themselves with something to protect themselves lest the nanites got in.

I'm fairly certain about this even though someone said the producers ruled it out. I feel like Crichton is secretly consulting for the show.

My theory: Claire isn't Claire. She's a 'replacement' of sorts, as will be Walt. As are The Others.

As for screen shots if you watch Numbers and look at Hurley's burning house you will see smoke from the fire AND a separate ominous black cloud that looks strikingly like the black cloud that Kate, Jack, and Locke saw.

Nanites.

Actually in Michael Crichton's novel Prey the nanites do make noises quite similar (in my imagination anyway) to those of the Lost nanites. Also in Prey the nanites have been manufactured in a way that they can manipulate the environment. In one instance they lift someone off the ground, in another they drag someone. (Like Locke.) In yet another they take the shape of a human being and mimic its movements almost perfectly. And in another they actually form a symbiotic relationship with a human making the person somewhat "superhuman" if you'll allow the expression. this would explain the strength Ethan had over Jack and the strength "the Others" seem to have over the likes of men such as Mr. Ecko.

In Prey you will also find that there was a group of scientists 'quarantined' in a safe structure air tight from these nanites. they even injected themselves with something to protect themselves lest the nanites got in.

I'm fairly certain about this even though someone said the producers ruled it out. I feel like Crichton is secretly consulting for the show.

My theory: Claire isn't Claire. She's a 'replacement' of sorts, as will be Walt. As are The Others.

As for screen shots if you watch Numbers and look at Hurley's burning house you will see smoke from the fire AND a separate ominous black cloud that looks strikingly like the black cloud that Kate, Jack, and Locke saw.

Nanites.

Are you saying that the creators of Lost are recycling a idea that was written by another writer? Why would they do that?

Yes. Well sort of. It isn't Crichton's idea per se. I know this by the three pages front and back bibliography of scientific research he included at the end of the book. Like I said before. Scientific potentiality based in reality. (and in all probability it's already been done.)

And even if it was all Crichton's idea, that's a damn good idea. Not to mention Crichton's current television track record, ER. The producers of Lost, not to their discredit in anyway, would be wise to emulate the idea.

It's obviously not a robot in the traditional sense because we didn't see a robot. We saw a black cloud jump off the bushes, lift the trees, pull Locke into a hole, and when blown up by dynamite it gathered then quickly darted off. Lemme see if I can come up with some screen captures.

Just read Prey. It's a riveting easy read and you'll be done in a few days. I could be wrong but if what we're seeing is indeed a black cloud then I don't know what else it could be.

Actually in Michael Crichton's novel Prey the nanites do make noises quite similar (in my imagination anyway) to those of the Lost nanites. Also in Prey the nanites have been manufactured in a way that they can manipulate the environment. In one instance they lift someone off the ground, in another they drag someone. (Like Locke.) In yet another they take the shape of a human being and mimic its movements almost perfectly. And in another they actually form a symbiotic relationship with a human making the person somewhat "superhuman" if you'll allow the expression. this would explain the strength Ethan had over Jack and the strength "the Others" seem to have over the likes of men such as Mr. Ecko.

In Prey you will also find that there was a group of scientists 'quarantined' in a safe structure air tight from these nanites. they even injected themselves with something to protect themselves lest the nanites got in.

I'm fairly certain about this even though someone said the producers ruled it out. I feel like Crichton is secretly consulting for the show.

My theory: Claire isn't Claire. She's a 'replacement' of sorts, as will be Walt. As are The Others.

As for screen shots if you watch Numbers and look at Hurley's burning house you will see smoke from the fire AND a separate ominous black cloud that looks strikingly like the black cloud that Kate, Jack, and Locke saw.

Nanites.
I don't remember them either lifiting someone, or dragging someone in Prey. They are molecular machines, how much force do you think they can exert? There is never an instance in Prey where the noice they make is described as anything like the noises we hear the monster in Lost making, it's ridiculous to even think it. How do you explain the reverberations the monster created in the pilot episode?

Plus, when the monster is attacking boone and shannon, they hide in the middle of some trees, then the monster rams the trees in an attempt to get in. Why exactly would nanites do this? Since they could just flow through the gap.

Dont forget that the Boone/Shannon incident was supposed to be a Hallucination of sorts that Boone had.

The noise the monster makes sounds like a few different animals put together, I hear the polar bear noise, an elephant and something else.

Rose said the noise sounded familiar. I think she heard it in the zoo.

Also, I hear the sound of metal scraping metal. Like a thin piece of metal being drawn over a thicker piece of metal. Maybe even a knife being honed on a steel.

So far, I can't make out any organic sounds. It's all mechanical to me.

I agree totally - it sounds like a lot of different metal parts. Also, when the pilot is killed, his body didn't looked like it was bitten or chewed up - it looked like his body was ripped open, like it was caught in some kind of mechanical device that sliced a layer off the front of his body. (Shannon's attack wasn't real, so I'm not putting any emphasis on that.)

I have been trying to figure out the connections to the the books mentioned on the show. One book, A Wrinkle in Time, has the premise that a dark shadow like being is slowly taking over worlds. In one chapter Mrs Who (i think) takes the children to see the dark shadow and when you read the description in the book, it reminds me of the several possible instances that we have seen this monster.. and I think it is quite shadow looking like.

In the book, when a world has been taken over by the dark shadow, it becomes methodical and dull. Creativity is gone and all the children bounce their balls at the same speed and everyone does things the same.... Maybe this is a stretch, but hadn't Desmonds life become methodical and dull??

So anyway... just a thought to throw out there

I don't remember them either lifiting someone, or dragging someone in Prey. They are molecular machines, how much force do you think they can exert? There is never an instance in Prey where the noice they make is described as anything like the noises we hear the monster in Lost making, it's ridiculous to even think it. How do you explain the reverberations the monster created in the pilot episode?

Plus, when the monster is attacking boone and shannon, they hide in the middle of some trees, then the monster rams the trees in an attempt to get in. Why exactly would nanites do this? Since they could just flow through the gap.

They actually lifted and carried a girl across an entire desert to their cave. Crichton explains that in effect you are a nothing more than a bunch of molecules crammed together that exerts force. So why couldn't they? And in the book they do. There is an instance where the main character first encounters the black clouds and hears a low thrumming like a machine. It even mimics the noises of people.

As for the Boone/Shannon attack, 1) we don't yet know if it was real and 2) in Prey the characters hid in a car, and even in a shed, and were safe for some time. Why wouldn't the molecular machines just come in? Crichton explains that they're still learning. They don't yet realize their full potential to..well.. go anywhere they want including inside the human body.

Trust me. I really want to be wrong.

Interesting....I am intrigued now to read the book, but BOY!!!!! Will I be angry if this is stolen or inspired by another idea. I am wishing for something that is more of a revelation rather than leftovers. I guess I will just have to sit back, watch and enjoy.

They actually lifted and carried a girl across an entire desert to their cave. Crichton explains that in effect you are a nothing more than a bunch of molecules crammed together that exerts force. So why couldn't they? And in the book they do. There is an instance where the main character first encounters the black clouds and hears a low thrumming like a machine. It even mimics the noises of people.

As for the Boone/Shannon attack, 1) we don't yet know if it was real and 2) in Prey the characters hid in a car, and even in a shed, and were safe for some time. Why wouldn't the molecular machines just come in? Crichton explains that they're still learning. They don't yet realize their full potential to..well.. go anywhere they want including inside the human body.

Trust me. I really want to be wrong.

Ah, well it has been a while since I read it.:ohwell:

As for nanites finding it difficult to get between trees that are about a foot apart, I find that a bit ridiculous, don't you?

The nanite cloud theory just doesn't explain most of the monsters aspects. Then again, the monster encounters are anything but consistant.

In the pilot episode, it would seem to be a mechanical dinosaur at least 20ft tall, when locke encounters it, it seems just about 10ft tall, when boone and shannon encounter it, it would seem to be about the same size, but with three moving heads as seen from it's shadow, and in the final episodes of season 1, it appears to be both a subterranean mechanism, and also two nanite clouds of differing size.

So either, it is a security system, of many varying components, or the writers have alot of explaining to do.

I wouldn't feel disappointed if one component of the security system consists of nanite clouds. Maybe for surveillance. Maybe each Dharma station contributed to one aspect of the security system.:smile:

I just want to see it in Season Two! Even if it's the fleeting glimpses we got in Season One, I loved the excitement of hearing those noises and being like "Oh man, here it comes". Now we're all concerned with buttons and Others and rings, bring back the security system!

I seriously can't wait for the preview that they show after some episode where it's like "Just when you thought they were safe...SECURITY SYSTEM NOISE!" Then they just show everyone's "Oh shit" face.

I think the security system sounds like a rollercoaster. You when you first are starting out and they are cranking you up to the top.

The Monster is from Yu-Gi-Oh. it's the Blue Eyes White Dragon. here's a picture.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/xxxSCREAMING/blue_eyes_white_dragon.gif

no, I'm just kidding. :D but the sounds do make me think of the Blue Eyes White Dragon, in a way, just because he looks kinda metallic, iono. just a bit of silliness really. complete nonsense.

after all our pondering and wondering and hours of thinking and theory-producing we need a little joke about it, yeah? :)

I think the security system sounds like a rollercoaster. You when you first are starting out and they are cranking you up to the top.

Yes, I've heard that sound too. It made me think that the mechanical parts were being lifted up from the ground until they reached full height.

Yesterday we posted a podcast where we playback the sound of the monster and discuss all the various sounds involved. We also report on some stuff from the media about the sound engineers objectives in creating the sound what the creators wanted to convey. And after all that, of course, we theorize. Check it out, we found some pretty interesting info out there.

www.lostcasts.com

Another book connection about the "monster" is in the Dark Tower series and has been talked about here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21829&highlight=amy8376

Although I read Prey and thought originally that the monster might be nanotech swarms too....now I'm leaning more towards the cyborg theory from Stephen King.

I really think it's something mechanical. The noises are what makes me think so. It would be cool if it was a Dharma made robot with two heads. (That travels underground?)

Anyone else think robotics might have been one of the other things Dharma was studying in the hatches, and the monster was an experiment that went wrong and got loose? After all how would The French Chick know for sure that its the islands security system? And that leads me to believe that she knows alot more then we realize.

it is silly to talk about nanos, the creators have already said NO NANO CRAP, im going with machine.

I really think it's something mechanical. The noises are what makes me think so. It would be cool if it was a Dharma made robot with two heads. (That travels underground?)

Anyone else think robotics might have been one of the other things Dharma was studying in the hatches, and the monster was an experiment that went wrong and got loose? After all how would The French Chick know for sure that its the islands security system? And that leads me to believe that she knows alot more then we realize.

Well in reality you know that if The French Chick said that to you, you would grab her and make sure she tells you everything she knows about the 'security system'. There is no way in hell you would leave it at that.

Rose is from the Bronx ... ever hear of the BRONX ZOO guys? She is hearing animal noises ... makes sense to me.

hi all my first post, to answer the riddle of the "other" sound that sounds like a chain being dragged mechanically over metal i will just say i was watching full metal jacket the other day and when about half way through it there is a scene where there are army tanks with metal treads going past the camera about 15-20 feet away from it YOU HEAR THE EXACT SAME SOUND you hear when the security system is around. there was no disputing the sound in my mind at all, it was the sound that makes up 50% of the security system. my theory is the security system is a robot that walks (hence the boom boom you hear) on 2 or 4 legs that have feet that are tank treadish in nature.

Here Noland, I found one from Exodus pt.2...

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=670

Anyone have a screen cap of the clouds from the orientation film. I swear I see the same face in one of the clouds that I see in the picture link above. If anyone has a screen cap, I'll circle what I mean.

Here's the security system in action.
http://www.thetailsection.com/forums/showpost.php?p=724&postcount=1
http://need-name.com/mboard/files/smoke1_208.gif

Here's the security system in action.
http://www.thetailsection.com/forums/showpost.php?p=724&postcount=1
http://need-name.com/mboard/files/smoke1_208.gif

Wow, I never noticed this one! Right from the beginning. Why was that guy running anyways? He must have been running from something, and like people said it could have been the smoke/security system. At any rate, he was running before the engine exploded.

Wow, I never noticed this one! Right from the beginning. Why was that guy running anyways? He must have been running from something, and like people said it could have been the smoke/security system. At any rate, he was running before the engine exploded.

Me neither. An this flying-carpet thing is rushing by again a few seconds later.

But I have no idea as to how this woul make sense in the context of an attacking security system. We can see that the engine explodes because this one dude gets to close to the intake and is sucked right in. I'd find it odd to learn that that was just coincidental.

Philipp

In the first season Locke came face to face with the "monster" and smiled. He has, apparently, seen it and is no longer frightened. When the "chain" grabbed him and threatened to pull him down into the rabbit hole he was also not frightened. Seemes scary to me... but the unknown often is. What do ya think he knows?

Perhaps a bit OT, I don't know, but the second time Locke sees the monster, he does not look happy.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=624

Can that smoke in ex2 be something else than what he saw in walkabout (I'm not sure if that was the episode) ?

I've wondered that, myself. The "creature" in Pilot isn't really consistent with the one in Exodus or whatever Locke saw in the jungle that one time.

When I saw how terrified he looked in Exodus, I starting thinking there's more than one "creature."

ita more than one sec system. I think the sec system is some sort of bio mechanical creation and there are more than one. We are on a volcanic island therefore the black smoke could be some sort of bioproduct of the sec system. Both times Locke sees the monster as something 'not bad'. He has faith in it. Maybe its a device to either fix or destroy the sickness infected subjects. How it is beautiful ? I can only assume it is some alien entity..........

First of all, the nanotech idea, thankfully ruled out by insiders, would almost feel like a cop-out to me. However, perhaps the madness in me has something to do with it, but after nearly falling down the rabbit hole, we do see a separate cloud emerge from the background. Am I crazy or does the way it disappear almost look like it streams into Jack's ear? Then he looks dazed and Locke looks at him with a disturbed glance. Also, when the Beast chases them after the Black Rock, the _exact_ sound screeched by the Roc a few sequences earlier occurs as well. Tropical Polar Bears, Gigantic Falcons, Tattooed Sharks, Oh my!

I apologize for the ignorance but which producer said it wasn't nanos? When? Can you show me?

I'm just not convinced. I don't really understand how it could be anything else.

I would be interested in something tangible said by the producers that it isnt nano's!

I really think the producers are not gonna go "supernatural" but going to have scientifically plausible solutions for all the mysteries...

Exactly... I'm also holding to the idea that nothing is supernatural, but is just presented in a manner made to make viewers (and the characters) believe it is. IE, Hurley's number curse is just coincidence.

But the thing is, I have a feeling many things will forever remain a mystery.