.....are such tear-jerkers.

*sniff*

Yeah, that was pretty harsh when he was told he was not wanted.

I know im so glad we had a happy ending with that. I kept expecting her to die a hideous death or it turn out she was scamming him.

Helen that is.

I think that Locke eventually messes things up with Helen, I mean that the end of the relationship is ultimately his doing. She seems so kind .. awwwww <3

and I did cry like a baby just for a bit when Locke's dad was being all ******* like. Do you think that his dad is to blame for him having to be in a wheelchair?

I can't watch it when he cries! I feel like crying myself. I just feel so bad for him. I've loved this guy from the start and just watching all these flashbacks, he just gets better and better!

I think that Locke eventually messes things up with Helen, I mean that the end of the relationship is ultimately his doing. She seems so kind .. awwwww <3

and I did cry like a baby just for a bit when Locke's dad was being all ******* like. Do you think that his dad is to blame for him having to be in a wheelchair?

Don't know. The thought did cross my mind that perhaps one of his dad's security guards ends up shooting Locke and putting him in a wheel chair as a result.

I got all teary-eyed too when his dad got in the car and told Locke not to return. And then of course there was Michael Giacchino's hauntingly beautiful music playing in the background.

Locke's flashbacks are by far the best, IMHO......kudos to Terry for making them so interesting!

Locke crying as he remembered Helen paralleled Jack crying when Desmond asked him about Sarah. I'm wondering if Helen died in the same accident that paralyzed Locke.(That would be a parallel with Kate and Tom.) I did wonder, however, if Helen was sent by his dad to get Locke off Cooper's back, and Locke was crying over her ultimate betrayal.

Is everyone in agreement that he asked to call the phone sex provider Helen after his lost love, and that this Helen is not she?

Cardie

Locke crying as he remembered Helen paralleled Jack crying when Desmond asked him about Sarah. I'm wondering if Helen died in the same accident that paralyzed Locke.(That would be a parallel with Kate and Tom.) I did wonder, however, if Helen was sent by his dad to get Locke off Cooper's back, and Locke was crying over her ultimate betrayal.

Is everyone in agreement that he asked to call the phone sex provider Helen after his lost love, and that this Helen is not she?

Cardie

I too do not think the sex phone operator was the same Helen.....

Locke crying as he remembered Helen paralleled Jack crying when Desmond asked him about Sarah. I'm wondering if Helen died in the same accident that paralyzed Locke.(That would be a parallel with Kate and Tom.) I did wonder, however, if Helen was sent by his dad to get Locke off Cooper's back, and Locke was crying over her ultimate betrayal.

Is everyone in agreement that he asked to call the phone sex provider Helen after his lost love, and that this Helen is not she?

Cardie

That was my first thought, too. The sex phone lady agreed to be called "Helen" at Locke's request.

Watching Locke's flashbacks is so fascinating because he was such a MESS. Yet on the island, he is looked to as one of the most competent (if a tad crazy) of the Lostaways.

There seems to be a prevailing theme that most of the major characters have suffered a life-changing romantic loss in their past - Sayid and Nadia, Charlie and that chick he scammed (I forget her name), Jack and Sarah, Kate and Tom, Michael and Susan . . . you can even count Jin and Sun and Boone and Shannon. The exceptions so far seem to be Sawyer, Hurley and Claire, but who knows what we'll find out from more flashbacks.

At first I thought Locke was going to become paralized because of a shooting incident. But now I am not sure since I like Cardielost's explaination better:). When Helen tossed his keys beyond the locked gates I was thinking Ok.. We now get to see Locke shot for tresspassing and he becomes paralized. When he went out shooting with his father I was thinking the same thing.. Lockes father shoots him and he becomes paralized. I wonder when we find that out? Season 3 perhaps? I do not like the way they are dragging their feet this year. To many flashbacks of things we have already seen the week before.

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw. She took his keys and threw them over the gate, knowing he would never go agter them, thereby taking away a means of him visiting Cooper. I'm not sure of the time frame, but getting him in bed quickly is an "old trick". Spys even use it. Get him thinking with the wrong brain, and get his attention elsewhere.

Cooper already knew he was a "soft touch", so he could have devised a plan to do this. Cooper's one slimy dude, that's for sure. Helen might have some skeletons in her closet, and Cooper will "make them disappear" if she "plays along".Cooper does seem to have a lot of disposable cash. Transplants aren't cheap, you know.

And another thing about the kidney thing. Would ANY hospital just let a patient walk out of the hospital right after such major surgery? Any number of problems could arise. Infection, rejection, etc. I would think that the hospital's laywers would be screaming their heads off saying NO!. I don't think Cooper got the transplant. I think it went to someone else, and Cooper was just the "finder". Maybe that's how he gets all of his money. Conning people out of organs.

Claire did suffer a 'romantic' loss; Aaron's biological father?

Claire did suffer a 'romantic' loss; Aaron's biological father?

Yeah, but I wouldn't put it in the same class as the others. He's basically just the guy who got her pregnant and ran out on her (though we may find out later it was more complicated than that). At any rate, Claire isn't eating her heart out over that guy, the way Sayid does about Nadia, Kate about Tom, Jack about Sarah, etc. The situation he left her in--yes. The guy himself--no.

One weird thing about Cooper... He said that Locke needed a father figure and that he needed a kidney. The words "father figure" struck me as odd. Why not dad or father ? On the other hand, he did get a kidney from Locke which means that they had to be a match for blood type and such. How would he know a complete stranger would be a match? Hmm... LOST makes my head hurt. :huh:

Okay...done thinking my thoughts "out loud" now...

Edited to say: And, YES, his stories break my heart!

~som

One weird thing about Cooper... He said that Locke needed a father figure and that he needed a kidney. The words "father figure" struck me as odd. Why not dad or father ? On the other hand, he did get a kidney from Locke which means that they had to be a match for blood type and such. How would he know a complete stranger would be a match? Hmm... LOST makes my head hurt. :huh:

OK. If he's not Locke's father, then he might have gone and looked at the donor list. He seems to have lots of disposable cash, and with the way the economy is, and the idiots running some government computer systems, he might have gotten enough to get some matches. Probably hired a PI, and had him check all the matches, as I'm sure there was more than 1 match. The PI gave him the packets, and Old sly Cooper found that Locke was raised in foster homes, and never knew his parents. Then a more in depth check finds he really doesn't have any friends, wife, kids. That makes him a nice target for the con. It also gives him some good ammo to get Helen to date Locke.

The "father figure" phrase was kinda put out there quite hard. We saw him hooked up to a dialys (sp?) machine, but was it doing its stuff? The phrase that he "needed a kidney" still could be that he's the middleman in a human organ racket. He seemed pretty spry getting into Locke's VW bug. Those seats were kinda low, and he just plopped right in. Locke still has an angry scar, and favors that side.

I think cooper said "father figure" because he was never planning on being a real father to him, he just needed to use him for awhile. He knew if Locke came looking for him it must be important to him in some way to meet his"father". Cooper is a con man and knew just how to get what he wanted

I think its amazing that someone who was raised to believe in no one has such a strong sense of faith in anything. Maybe he just needed SOMETHING to believe in

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw. She took his keys and threw them over the gate, knowing he would never go agter them, thereby taking away a means of him visiting Cooper. I'm not sure of the time frame, but getting him in bed quickly is an "old trick". Spys even use it. Get him thinking with the wrong brain, and get his attention elsewhere.

Cooper already knew he was a "soft touch", so he could have devised a plan to do this. Cooper's one slimy dude, that's for sure. Helen might have some skeletons in her closet, and Cooper will "make them disappear" if she "plays along".Cooper does seem to have a lot of disposable cash. Transplants aren't cheap, you know.

You know what, this makes a ton of sense, because I was watching last night, thinking, "What does Peg Bundy see in this guy?" Remember, this isn't the all-knowing, capable Locke of the island, this is (sorry to say it) one of life's losers, and a very angry person to boot. (Not without justification.) Plus, she doesn't seem to have another reason to be at that class, as far as I can tell.

Yeah, but I wouldn't put it in the same class as the others. He's basically just the guy who got her pregnant and ran out on her (though we may find out later it was more complicated than that). At any rate, Claire isn't eating her heart out over that guy, the way Sayid does about Nadia, Kate about Tom, Jack about Sarah, etc. The situation he left her in--yes. The guy himself--no.
I don't think Sayid's quest for Nadia is romantic in nature. They hardly knew each other. I think she represents a past he is desperately trying to bury, and to do that he needs to come to terms with it and achieve closure. That's why he's looking for her. When she tells him she understands him, a great weight will come off his back.

I don't think Sayid's quest for Nadia is romantic in nature. They hardly knew each other. I think she represents a past he is desperately trying to bury, and to do that he needs to come to terms with it and achieve closure. That's why he's looking for her. When she tells him she understands him, a great weight will come off his back.


I disagree. You don't look at a picture the way Sayid looked at Nadia's or search all over the world for seven years if your quest isn't somewhat romantic in nature. I believe Sayid was/or thought himself to be in love with her.

You can't say they hardly knew each other. They knew each other as children and they both recognized each other. (Look at his face in the scene where she is led into the prison...he knew who she was) Nadia was his prisoner for over a month. They saw each other everyday. He brought her food. We never see him hit her, or do anything but talk to her sternly. We never see bruises or marks on her to indicate that he did.

Prison is not ideal circumstances for a romance, but neither is the island, a month isn't much time, but he hasn't had much time with Shannon either. In the end, he risks everything for Nadia. He kills his superior officer, he shoots himself in the leg, he allows her to escape...we don't know what the timeline is...he may have met up with Nadia after that and somehow become seperated again. Don't discount his romantic feelings for her.

what if locke and is handicapped as a result of a car accident. seems like weve seen alot of accidents so far. maybe helen is in the car also and dies. or maybe she just leaves him after he gets handicapped. i know the flashbacks we see of him at work in the wheelchair show someone who looks depressed.