Did anyone see what was on the blackboard? I found the class to be strange to...some type of get in touch with your feelings class...it reminded me of an AA or anger mangement meeting............

I wasn't sure if Helen was the facilitator (can't remember faces) or just another member. If she's the facilitator, I would think there would be a boundary issue there. If she was another member... why was she there, and how did Locke help her get un-angry?

I thought it was an anger management class

I don't think she was the facilitator. Wasn't that the blonde lady with glasses? Besides, "Helen" admitted she hardly ever spoke up.

Yes, it read "Anger Management".

I was wondering what type of class it was too. I don't think Helen was the facilitator, only because some other woman was sticking up for the girl who was talking about the $30. " Well __________ feels that the $30 was a big deal."

Helen was not the facilitator. She was another member of the class. The facilitator was blonde and was wearing glasses - she was holding notes in her hand and told Locke he had been coming for a month, etc. It seemed like it was a court-ordered anger management class or something like that.

I took it for a meeting to work through parentel angst.

As for who Helen was, I find it hard to believe she would hit on someone in the meeting. She may just be a past group attendee who still drops by to help out.

may i just say how much i loved this scene and how bloody briliant terry was in it. Man the guy is a bloody genious. sorry to get off topic.

I dont think the facilitator of a meeting of that type would ever say to a member of the group (inside or outside of it) that she would like to smack some of the people in the group. THAT would be very unprofessional and therefore I believe Helen was just another member.

This is the link for the classroom chalkboard...interesting:

1: Call a Truce with Anger
2: Anger-Love Connection
3: Re-Wire your HOT Button
5: Tell your Story
6: Stay in Tune with your--


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The conversation she had with Locke after the meeting made it sound like Helen was the facilitator. My guess is maybe they shot that version then decided it didn't work- ethics, you know- but they didn't change the parking lot scene.

Maybe we are to think she's just a sponser- don't formaer alcolics go to AA meetings to support others who are recovering?

may i just say how much i loved this scene and how bloody briliant terry was in it. Man the guy is a bloody genious. sorry to get off topic.

It reminded me of his role in Stepfather 2. I was half expecting him to take an axe to the $30 girl. :eek2:

It reminded me of his role in Stepfather 2. I was half expecting him to take an axe to the $30 girl.

I guess that would be one way to get your kidney back. :biggrin:

may i just say how much i loved this scene and how bloody briliant terry was in it. Man the guy is a bloody genious. sorry to get off topic.


i SO agree... he was completely robbed at the Emmy's... they have to be kicking themselves after tonight!!!

i SO agree... he was completely robbed at the Emmy's... they have to be kicking themselves after tonight!!!

and let's not forget who by............................ we shall not speak his name. :mad:

yeah, the blonde lady was the one leading the meeting... not Helen.

I thought it was an anger management class

Hmmmm....I was trying to figure out what kind of class he was attending. That makes sense....

THe chaulk borad reading the HOT button...interesting button reference

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw. She took his keys and threw them over the gate, knowing he would never go agter them, thereby taking away a means of him visiting Cooper. I'm not sure of the time frame, but getting him in bed quickly is an "old trick". Spys even use it. Get him thinking with the wrong brain, and get his attention elsewhere.

Cooper already knew he was a "soft touch", so he could have devised a plan to do this. Cooper's one slimy dude, that's for sure. Helen might have some skeletons in her closet, and Cooper will "make them disappear" if she "plays along".Cooper does seem to have a lot of disposable cash. Transplants aren't cheap, you know.

And another thing about the kidney thing. Would ANY hospital just let a patient walk out of the hospital right after such major surgery? Any number of problems could arise. Infection, rejection, etc. I would think that the hospital's laywers would be screaming their heads off saying NO!. I don't think Cooper got the transplant. I think it went to someone else, and Cooper was just the "finder". Maybe that's how he gets all of his money. Conning people out of organs.

THe chaulk borad reading the HOT button...interesting button reference

Maybe that's the button Walt was talking about. Like, Don't push Locke's Hot Button.
He'll go NUCLEAR on your butt! :)

This just seemed like a Group Therapy session to me, not a class. In group therapy, it's all about being in the moment and reacting openly and honestly to what you are feeling. So while a bit shocking, Locke's tirade would have been completely appropriate.

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw. She took his keys and threw them over the gate, knowing he would never go agter them, thereby taking away a means of him visiting Cooper. I'm not sure of the time frame, but getting him in bed quickly is an "old trick". Spys even use it. Get him thinking with the wrong brain, and get his attention elsewhere.

Cooper already knew he was a "soft touch", so he could have devised a plan to do this. Cooper's one slimy dude, that's for sure. Helen might have some skeletons in her closet, and Cooper will "make them disappear" if she "plays along".Cooper does seem to have a lot of disposable cash. Transplants aren't cheap, you know.

And another thing about the kidney thing. Would ANY hospital just let a patient walk out of the hospital right after such major surgery? Any number of problems could arise. Infection, rejection, etc. I would think that the hospital's laywers would be screaming their heads off saying NO!. I don't think Cooper got the transplant. I think it went to someone else, and Cooper was just the "finder". Maybe that's how he gets all of his money. Conning people out of organs.

Trying to accept this explanation and just can't swallow. Why go through the trouble of getting some women to help get Locke to leave you alone. If you can hatch a scheme like getting someones kidney, you could surely find someone to dispose of him more permanently. Considering the way he threatened Locke, you'd think that would be the next step he'd take.

I think this was a voluntary 12-step program because of the setting, which seemed like a classroom or basement room of a building and not like a professional therapist's office. Plus, when Locke and Helen were outside afterwards, it looked like a church in the background...churches are often used for l2-step meetings.

And I'm pretty sure the blonde woman, not Helen, was the facilitator.

Helen was not a facilitator, only a regular attendant of the class. Helen is also the name of the woman who Locke would speak to on the phone in Walkabout. My theory on this is that something happens to the real Helen (Katy Segal) and Locke which is how he ends up in the wheel chair. Locke can't let go and eventually calls the phone sex girl and he calls her Helen as part of his delusion. Of course I still can't wait to see how he gets in the wheelchair.

I think this was a voluntary 12-step program because of the setting, which seemed like a classroom or basement room of a building and not like a professional therapist's office. Plus, when Locke and Helen were outside afterwards, it looked like a church in the background...churches are often used for l2-step meetings.

And I'm pretty sure the blonde woman, not Helen, was the facilitator.


I agree. And whatever type of meeting it was- AA, Sex Addicts, People who love kittens too much, People who are afraid of the color green, whatever- it would make sense that at least one "class" be devoted to anger management, so it's not necessarily a "Anger Anonymous" group. It's a pretty key ingredient to a lot of psychological problems.

It's an anger management meeting.
read the board.
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Helen was not a facilitator, only a regular attendant of the class. Helen is also the name of the woman who Locke would speak to on the phone in Walkabout. My theory on this is that something happens to the real Helen (Katy Segal) and Locke which is how he ends up in the wheel chair. Locke can't let go and eventually calls the phone sex girl and he calls her Helen as part of his delusion. Of course I still can't wait to see how he gets in the wheelchair.

I agree completely. ;)

It looked to me as if the building was a church. I dont know why but that is the first thing I thought. It also occurred to me that the church is one place where they have a lot of those 12 step type meetings.
Lost my train of thought...lol

MikeToth, I was thinking along the same lines about Helen being hired by Cooper to get Locke to stop stalking him. I know it seems like a lot to go through when he could have just had Lock "taken care of" in a more permanent way, but then he likely could have gotten a kidney using more forceful methods as well. I think Cooper likes to win by using emotional warfare - it's part of the game.

Winks, I also love the idea of phone sex Helen being a replacement for the real Helen, but what if phone sex Helen is what Helen really does & she was hired by Cooper to take care of Cooper's "Locke problem". If she was a phone sex operator, you could see how she might, for the right price, use sex to minipulate Locke to get him to leave Cooper alone. Have I mentioned that I love speculation? :biggrin:

MikeToth and Winks both have good theaories and I agree with you wcb2 - if the phone Helen is the same Helen then it really supports MikeToth's theory.

but, i'm leaning more towards Winks theory. it's exactly what i was thinking before i read MikeToth's post...

and i bet Locke is in the class under court order - probably for approaching his father or breaking a restraining order, etc.

great show last night! Terry really is an amazing actor.

Oh - poor Locke! I really hope Helen isn't hired by the father. That would just break my heart for Locke even more! I can barely take it as it is... LOL!

I wonder if Helen died in whatever accident caused Locke to become paralyzed?

Oh - poor Locke! I really hope Helen isn't hired by the father. That would just break my heart for Locke even more! I can barely take it as it is... LOL!

I wonder if Helen died in whatever accident caused Locke to become paralyzed?
That was my thought exactly, and I also agree with whoever said that "phone Helen", was just what Locke chose to call this woman as part of some sort of delusion.

When Locke fell down in the jungle and Kate was with him, didn't he accidentally call her Helen and say something like "I'm all right, Helen"? Makes me think that Helen and Locke were indeed in some sort of accident together.

That was my thought exactly, and I also agree with whoever said that "phone Helen", was just what Locke chose to call this woman as part of some sort of delusion.

When Locke fell down in the jungle and Kate was with him, didn't he accidentally call her Helen and say something like "I'm all right, Helen"? Makes me think that Helen and Locke were indeed in some sort of accident together.


EXACTLY! DING! DING! DING! And Helen was injured or killed and Locke felt responsible and/or couldn't help her though he felt he should have or needed to or tried and failed. Would explain why he slipped and called Kate "Helen" during a dangerous excursion after kidnapped Claire and Charlie and "Other Man" Ethan.

i think helen is the reason locke uses the phone secks line; she dies in a car accident and he cant stand having loved and lost and starts calling ht ephone secks line and requests she be called helen or go by helen; and thats the same accident that he loses the use fo his legs, it could be paid for by cooper.....just a thought

"I'm all right, Helen"? Makes me think that Helen and Locke were indeed in some sort of accident together.

OMG. How perfect. I love this tie-in! Great memory!!!

OH IT WILL BREAK MY HEART!!! LOL! ;)

The reason why I think it's an AA meeting is because when Locke and Helen go to dinner and she gives him her key, you can see that they both have big glasses of ice water in front of them and empty wine glasses. I may be jumping to conclusions, but it's the first thing I noticed when that scene opened. It seemed so deliberate to me.

Also, if Helen were hired by Locke's dad, would she give Locke the key to her place? He could go over and snoop around any time and discover the relationship she has with his dad.

sorry for repost of previous thoughts...but at least we think alike!!!!

And another thing about the kidney thing. Would ANY hospital just let a patient walk out of the hospital right after such major surgery? Any number of problems could arise. Infection, rejection, etc. I would think that the hospital's laywers would be screaming their heads off saying NO!. I don't think Cooper got the transplant. I think it went to someone else, and Cooper was just the "finder". Maybe that's how he gets all of his money. Conning people out of organs.

My speculation: Cooper can probably afford to have a home health care physician. He had the operation at the hospital, but recovered at home. (I assume rich folks/celebrities can do this.)

My speculation: Cooper can probably afford to have a home health care physician. He had the operation at the hospital, but recovered at home. (I assume rich folks/celebrities can do this.)

Why not B. Spears scheduled her own C-section because she did not want to go thew labor. She had one whole floor of the hospital shut off just for her. :rolleyes:


The reason why I think it's an AA meeting is because when Locke and Helen go to dinner and she gives him her key, you can see that they both have big glasses of ice water in front of them and empty wine glasses. I may be jumping to conclusions, but it's the first thing I noticed when that scene opened. It seemed so deliberate to me.
If it was an AA meeting wouldn't it be more accurate that they would not be drinking?

Did anyone else notice how Helen rammed into Locke's car? She was definetley a member of the Anger Management group. I think she has something to do with why he was in the wheelchair, he couldn't give up on parking in front of dear ol dads and she runs him off the road or something.

my theory is that Locke's father puts a hit on him to make him go away and that is how he gets paralized. Very possible that Helen is in the car with him.

Did anyone else just want to kill Cooper :chair: for telling Locke "you're not wanted". I screamed at the TV and almost cried:crybaby:

Do we see Locke actually leave his father's house? I'm inclined to believe that he climbs the fence to get the keys and his tresspass results in his paralysis (gunshot, beating by guards, etc. . .)

It's definately and anger management type class that is a part of the 12 step class that they seem to be attending. The $30 chic was complaining about her anger twoards her mother, right? Al-Anon, maybe?

I do think that Locke looses Helen in some way or another, But I'm not sure if it's a result of an accident that they go through together, or if she gives up on him and walks out (starting to seem more likely with Locke's emotional problems and demeanor). You know, Locke goes back to retrieve keys, try with pops one more time and gets shot/beat down then paralyzed -- Helen is then (understandably) disappointed/disgusted and moves on? It seems that Locke has lost a lot and gone through some serious stuff to become the character on the island, right?

Terry is a stellar actor, BTW.

I personally have a contrary theory on the fate of helen in locke's life. I think she will leave him because of his inability to have faith, in some form.

It seems as though Locke is making up, in a way, for his lack of faith in other parts of his life. Perhaps he finally trusted to faith during the crash of the airplane, and feels that this is what kept him alive. He said that it's always been hard, and my guess is that it was too hard for him in the past, and he lost Helen over it.

Now that he is a man of faith, he has been rewarded - he survived the crash, he can walk, he has realized that he can have a distinct humanity outside of his abondonment - he sees this as the key to redemption for himself, as well as for everyone else.

of course all signs point to "balance" as a theme of the show. So, the bipolar twins jack and locke are all at each other's figurative throats belittling each other for being on the wrong side of the line, but in order to succeed, they will both have to grow to the middle. Looks like jack has a head start in this regard.

at least that's what I think.

WINKS: and he calls her Helen as part of his delusion.

That's exactly what I was thinking! He either called and specifically asked to speak to Helen, and there happened to be one, or he asked the girl if he could call her Helen and she obliged since, well, he's paying her 10 grand an hour. I'd let him call me Helen for that money... LOL


ETA - Guess I got on this boat a little too late. That's what I get for responding before reading the whole thread. Yeh - I agree with you all. LOL

Trying to accept this explanation and just can't swallow. Why go through the trouble of getting some women to help get Locke to leave you alone. If you can hatch a scheme like getting someones kidney, you could surely find someone to dispose of him more permanently. Considering the way he threatened Locke, you'd think that would be the next step he'd take.

Well. Look at it this way. You have this guy that you stole the kidney from. He's hanging around your house all the time. Your name is all over hospital records, along with his name. He may even have some other information that he's put into a folder and given to a lawyer he chose randomly out of the phonebook to be sent to the police in event of his death or "missing" status.

So, if you can get him to leave you alone another way, it might be better. I'm sure that the IRS, FBI and a few other agencies would like to see his books. (Both sets.) :biggrin:

Church setting confirmed....
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My speculation: Cooper can probably afford to have a home health care physician. He had the operation at the hospital, but recovered at home. (I assume rich folks/celebrities can do this.)

Maybe, but I still think the laywers would scream, unless they had him, his wife and any people in his will sign an iron-clad contract saying that the hospital was exempt for anything that happened, even the surgery. Hospitals are real jumpy about lawsuits, and we have all heard horror stories about will and inheirators..

Now that he is a man of faith, he has been rewarded - he survived the crash, he can walk, he has realized that he can have a distinct humanity outside of his abondonment - he sees this as the key to redemption for himself, as well as for everyone else..

I agree with you...Helen even tells Locke that he has to take 'a leap of faith' when they are outside Cooper's home. But Locke isn't ready yet, he doesn't seem to have faith at that point, he's still caught up in the betrayal, abandonment and bitterness. I believe that Helen will be involved in whatever incident changes Locke physically, emotionally and spiritually.

Would the $30 girl be in an anger management class for NOT confronting her mother? Isn't anger management about not being able to control your temper?:undecide:Is there a group for grown children from the Foster Care system?


It seems to be the same psych. stuff they use to give my Mother for managing her anxiety attacks. LEARN TO DEAL WITH YOUR ANGER. DEALING WITH GRIEF AND LOSS etc...

I think Locke is (inadvertently ) responsible for "real" Helen's death. Maybe she can't take him coming to gates anymore and says ...

" You want to confront this man who threw you out like trash. The man you are allowing to come between us. Let's! " she is behind the wheel and rams the gate of Locke's dad's( who I'm liking for the "real Sawyer) home.
They were arguing but Locke who has on his seat belt is spared and Helen who was not buckled in goes ---SPLAT.

If it is something along those lines where Locke feels responsible for Helen, how many of our Lostaways are or feel responsible for another's death?:cnfused1:

Anyone can leave a hospital as long as they are able and willing to sign a form saying that they left AMA (Against Medical Advice).

I'm positive Helen was one of the participants in the group because she said to Locke that she wasted 20 years being angry. It appears the group was for anger management, and was voluntary, which I find intriguing. That Locke would go to something like that. He seems the type who wants to keep his problems private. Also, usually in those groups, dating is discouraged.

Belshep, Angra, check out my thread,Two Helens? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21386) We're discussing alot of the same things about Locke, his faith and Helen.
I agree with what you're saying. I also think Helen is the key.

My speculation: Cooper can probably afford to have a home health care physician. He had the operation at the hospital, but recovered at home. (I assume rich folks/celebrities can do this.)

True. But leaving a hospital after a major surgery like that is a bit crazy. And yes, he could've left AMA. But if I recall, when Locke inquired about his father, the nurse didn't imply that he left AMA. Of course, they can't give out much info. Perhaps he was transferred to a different hospital. Not that any of this really matters. But speculating about it is keeping me from cleaning my house, so it is something! :clapping:

True. But leaving a hospital after a major surgery like that is a bit crazy. And yes, he could've left AMA. But if I recall, when Locke inquired about his father, the nurse didn't imply that he left AMA. Of course, they can't give out much info. Perhaps he was transferred to a different hospital. Not that any of this really matters. But speculating about it is keeping me from cleaning my house, so it is something! :clapping:

I don't think Cooper left AMA. If he had qualified home health care, he would be able to leave for that. I always assumed that's what the nurse meant. It's crazy, sure, but so is bribing your mentally ill ex to go get your illegitimate son and lead him to track you down just so you can trick him into giving you his kidney. He had no choice but to leave the hospital and be safely behind his security gates before Locke woke up.

Locke must've left AMA though.

True. But leaving a hospital after a major surgery like that is a bit crazy. And yes, he could've left AMA. But if I recall, when Locke inquired about his father, the nurse didn't imply that he left AMA. Of course, they can't give out much info. Perhaps he was transferred to a different hospital. Not that any of this really matters. But speculating about it is keeping me from cleaning my house, so it is something! :clapping:

True. What's the maximum time you can be away from medical facilities if you lose both kidneys? As, we have to assume that he has no working ones, or very badly working ones, to get a transplant. He also seemed pretty spry getting into that car, when Locke still has that angry red scar, and seems to favor it.

Also, isn't the quote, "Dull women have immaculate homes"? :rotflmao:

I don't think she was the facilitator. Wasn't that the blonde lady with glasses? Besides, "Helen" admitted she hardly ever spoke up.

I agree, they cut to blonde-lady-with-glasses a number of times. She was leaning forwards being very attentive, which indicates that she was leading the group. Helen admitted she took years to get over her anger, which could mean that she was still trying in class, or had conquered it so succesfully that she was running it, but I think the former.

True. What's the maximum time you can be away from medical facilities if you lose both kidneys? As, we have to assume that he has no working ones, or very badly working ones, to get a transplant. He also seemed pretty spry getting into that car, when Locke still has that angry red scar, and seems to favor it.

Also, isn't the quote, "Dull women have immaculate homes"? :rotflmao:

About that scar - my impression is that it is red because he keeps touching and aggravating it. I wonder how long you could maintain a wound if you rubbed at it every day?

About that scar - my impression is that it is red because he keeps touching and aggravating it. I wonder how long you could maintain a wound if you rubbed at it every day?

Actually, there's a school of thought that the tissue (skin, muscles, etc) has a memory and emotional component to it. If the original incision/injury had emotional baggage to it and continues to, especially without any resolution, the scar can remain "inflamed" (for lack of a better word) and look red...it's as if the body is screaming out, "Hey! I need to deal with this! Help me!" Of course, I highly doubt that's the writers' intention. Just thought I'd put my little trivial (yes, as in useless information) tidbit. :biggrin:

Also: Also, isn't the quote, "Dull women have immaculate homes"? TOTALLY!

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw. She took his keys and threw them over the gate, knowing he would never go agter them, thereby taking away a means of him visiting Cooper. I'm not sure of the time frame, but getting him in bed quickly is an "old trick". Spys even use it. Get him thinking with the wrong brain, and get his attention elsewhere.

Cooper already knew he was a "soft touch", so he could have devised a plan to do this. Cooper's one slimy dude, that's for sure. Helen might have some skeletons in her closet, and Cooper will "make them disappear" if she "plays along".Cooper does seem to have a lot of disposable cash. Transplants aren't cheap, you know.

And another thing about the kidney thing. Would ANY hospital just let a patient walk out of the hospital right after such major surgery? Any number of problems could arise. Infection, rejection, etc. I would think that the hospital's laywers would be screaming their heads off saying NO!. I don't think Cooper got the transplant. I think it went to someone else, and Cooper was just the "finder". Maybe that's how he gets all of his money. Conning people out of organs.

Good job!!! Sure makes ME think!!

i think helen is the reason locke uses the phone secks line; she dies in a car accident and he cant stand having loved and lost and starts calling ht ephone secks line and requests she be called helen or go by helen; and thats the same accident that he loses the use fo his legs, it could be paid for by cooper.....just a thought

Here's a thought....We all know Locke's dad has alot of money right. Maybe he didn't threaten Locke at all, but Helen. He could have had her killed because of Locke's obession with him. That could be the reason he has so much grief. If they where in an accident and she died, it would be hard to get over yes, but not as emtionally scarring as knowing with out a doubt that the woman you love is dead because of you. Espically after hse begs him to stop.

***To anyone who has ever lost a loved one to an accident,I'm sorry for you, but please don't think i'm down playing how tragic something like that is, just speculating for thread***

My take on Helen. She's a plant by Anthony Cooper to get Locke to leave him alone. I think this just from actions I saw.

That is what I thought as well when I first saw that episode. Cooper wants Locke to leave him alone. Cooper has a lot of money. Coincidently a woman comes along that wants Locke to leave Cooper alone. I thought that she was perhaps a prostitue or something hired to distract Locke.

This would especially tie in IF this is the same Helen from the Walkabout episode. For example, Helen was simply hired by Cooper, but Locke really falls for her. After Cooper fires her, she doesnt want anything to do with Locke, but he still things they have a relationship.

Difficult to say for sure at this point.

That is what I thought as well when I first saw that episode. Cooper wants Locke to leave him alone. Cooper has a lot of money. Coincidently a woman comes along that wants Locke to leave Cooper alone. I thought that she was perhaps a prostitue or something hired to distract Locke.

This would especially tie in IF this is the same Helen from the Walkabout episode. For example, Helen was simply hired by Cooper, but Locke really falls for her. After Cooper fires her, she doesnt want anything to do with Locke, but he still things they have a relationship.

Difficult to say for sure at this point.
Remember the Helen on the phone tells him something like she can't date customers and if he wants to keep talking it will be another $49 for another hour...the plot does thicken though does it not? How many damn subplots can one show give us to speculate on??

I really dont think that Helen was a plant. It seems more likely that Locke broke up with Helen for some reason. Then, he got lonely and called a phone service and asked to talk to a woman with the name of Helen.

That is what I thought as well when I first saw that episode. Cooper wants Locke to leave him alone. Cooper has a lot of money. Coincidently a woman comes along that wants Locke to leave Cooper alone. I thought that she was perhaps a prostitue or something hired to distract Locke.


You know what? You're right. Think about how it came about. Helen meets Locke at the support group. They date. They sleep together. He never stays over. She hates that he never stays over. Now...if that were me, I'd think...that lying jerk is married! Or at the very least, has another woman. So I (and she) follows him after he leaves one night and find him sitting in front of a house. This is where it gets interesting. I would wonder who lived there...what WOMAN lived there. She automatically knows it's his father. How many would really make that their first guess? :confused: Not me!

Oh - poor Locke! I really hope Helen isn't hired by the father. That would just break my heart for Locke even more! I can barely take it as it is... LOL!

I wonder if Helen died in whatever accident caused Locke to become paralyzed?


Since Locke sits outside Cooper's gates fuming in anger, I wonder if he just doesn't try to ram through them with his VW Beetle?

From the looks of those gates, he would surely lose that battle. :undecide:

The conversation she had with Locke after the meeting made it sound like Helen was the facilitator. My guess is maybe they shot that version then decided it didn't work- ethics, you know- but they didn't change the parking lot scene.

Maybe we are to think she's just a sponser- don't formaer alcolics go to AA meetings to support others who are recovering?
if Helen was the facilitator OR his sponsor she sure crossed over a boundary by sleeping with him... at least from everything i've ever heard about a 12 step programs ~ i've never been in AA or a 12 step group myself, but have people very close to me who have ~
i think Helen was just a part of the group. IMHO :coolorng:

You know what? You're right. Think about how it came about. Helen meets Locke at the support group. They date. They sleep together. He never stays over. She hates that he never stays over. Now...if that were me, I'd think...that lying jerk is married! Or at the very least, has another woman. So I (and she) follows him after he leaves one night and find him sitting in front of a house. This is where it gets interesting. I would wonder who lived there...what WOMAN lived there. She automatically knows it's his father. How many would really make that their first guess? :confused: Not me!

Ohhh... She does say that type of stuff. That he doesn't want to see Locke, etc. No, "who is she?" or "who lives here?". Never even noticed that, until you mentioned it. :biggrin:

What we saw made it very clear that they were together for some time.
They, more than likely, talked about his problems with his father. They had been sleeping together so I also assume she saw the scare and asked about it. He was in the group to deal with his father issues. So if he was sneaking out and standing in front of a rich home it is not unlikely that her first thought would go to the source of all his anger and problems.
Dear old DAD.

Just a little note on the name "Anthony Cooper" - Locke's Dad:

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/shaftesb.html

Thought it might be relevant...especially the part about the Lunacy Acts...hmmm

just an observation: There are 16 people in the group. numbers again...

Good catch!

I wonder if Helen died in whatever accident caused Locke to become paralyzed?[/quote]

That would be so sad..

It seems as though Locke is making up, in a way, for his lack of faith in other parts of his life. Perhaps he finally trusted to faith during the crash of the airplane, and feels that this is what kept him alive. He said that it's always been hard, and my guess is that it was too hard for him in the past, and he lost Helen over it.

Now that he is a man of faith, he has been rewarded - he survived the crash, he can walk, he has realized that he can have a distinct humanity outside of his abondonment - he sees this as the key to redemption for himself, as well as for everyone else.

Angra, I like this theory a lot. It also provides some nice balance to the psychology theories that explain some of the other circumstances of the show.

It doesn't appear to be a true 12 step program mainly for the lack of the 12 steps. If someone took the time to write on the board, they wouldn't deviate from the steps. It's simply not done that way. I do think that this group was a some sort of group therapy in getting over or managing one's anger with a therapist facilitating it.

In any case, I find it interesting that Helen was the one who intitiates the relationship. Could certainly have something to do with her being a plant to get Locke away from stalking his father.

Oh, and I certainly think that if Cooper could prove that he had adequate health care provided in his home then the hospital would allow him to sign out.

As for Locke's scar still being red, if you've ever seen a transplant scar you would recognize it by it's heavy red color. Those things take many, many years to lighten up if ever.

What we saw made it very clear that they were together for some time.
They, more than likely, talked about his problems with his father. They had been sleeping together so I also assume she saw the scare and asked about it. He was in the group to deal with his father issues. So if he was sneaking out and standing in front of a rich home it is not unlikely that her first thought would go to the source of all his anger and problems.
Dear old DAD.

Yes, I agree, they had been together a while when she followed him. And yes, she would know that Locke hadn't dealt with his daddy issue. However, I disagree that her first thought would be that he was going to his father's house. Break it down. Even if they'd been together a while...no...ESPECIALLY if they'd been together a while...they sleep together, and he NEVER stays over. He ALWAYS gets up in the middle of the night and leaves. A woman's first thought would not be that the man is having problems dealing with his anger issues. No matter how well they knew each other. A woman's first thought would be...that @$$ is married/has a girlfriend...now I'm going to follow him to get a glimpse of the ___________. (you can figure out what goes in the blank!)

Yes, I agree, they had been together a while when she followed him. And yes, she would know that Locke hadn't dealt with his daddy issue. However, I disagree that her first thought would be that he was going to his father's house. Break it down. Even if they'd been together a while...no...ESPECIALLY if they'd been together a while...they sleep together, and he NEVER stays over. He ALWAYS gets up in the middle of the night and leaves. A woman's first thought would not be that the man is having problems dealing with his anger issues. No matter how well they knew each other. A woman's first thought would be...that @$$ is married/has a girlfriend...now I'm going to follow him to get a glimpse of the ___________. (you can figure out what goes in the blank!)

I agree her first thought might have been it's another woman. That's why she followed him.
I think seeing him outside the locked ;) gate of the rich house probably put 2 and 2 together.
But on the other hand you can never assume anything with this show.

I agree her first thought might have been it's another woman. That's why she followed him.
I think seeing him outside the locked ;) gate of the rich house probably put 2 and 2 together.
But on the other hand you can never assume anything with this show.

Then we're in complete agreement! Especially about never assuming about Lost!

Remember too that he did say his long lost father found him to just take his kidney from him during his outburst in the class.

If my wife got up and left every night at the beginning of our courtship..I would think that she is either Batgirl and the signal just appeared over the rooftops or that she was diddling around on me...Helen took a big leap guessing about his dad...more to come on this I am sure..

Actually, I think the meeting is something like Adult Children of Abusive Parents. I knew someone who went to one of those for a while. Dunno if they're anything like what they showed there, but it sounds similar.

As for Helen, I'll add that she's not the facilitator. She also makes reference to having lived with the same type of anger for 30 years, so we can assume that her mom or dad did something crappy to her as well.

- Mike

Actually, I think the meeting is something like Adult Children of Abusive Parents. I knew someone who went to one of those for a while. Dunno if they're anything like what they showed there, but it sounds similar.

As for Helen, I'll add that she's not the facilitator. She also makes reference to having lived with the same type of anger for 30 years, so we can assume that her mom or dad did something crappy to her as well.

That's possible, as its obvious that Locke had a really crappy childhood and bad parent experiences. If it is that kind of meeting, its obvious its not working as Locke still continues to go to his father's house at night.