Does anybody think that all 6 experiments are being done on the island? And if so, are there 6 different bunkers holding different teams? Or is the island just one of many places that is conducting Dharma's experiments?

I think that they're all on the island...or the surrounding islands...but definently near by. Dont know if there are other people in other hatches...i definently think there are other hatches though

There may be, but I highly doubt that they're on the same island for some reason.

I'm personally sideing with the 'man 'o science' on this one that nothing will happen if the numbers arn't typed in and that there's probably no other hatches either unless they're being used for the same experiment that Desmond is involved in.

6? I thought there were only 3. And there are 3 houses on the mural. I thought they represented the hatches on the island. Where did we get 6 experiments from?

The Orientation film was 3 of 6

Good catch. If this one is Orientation #3 Swan then let's speculate what the other 5 are. Would each one be represented by an animal?

In the film they talk of zoology, which covers the bear.

They also mention parapsychology, which covers the hallucinations and whispers?

They study electromagnetic fluctuations, Meteorites....

They are Free thinkers trying to make a Utopian paradise? Their goal is a Multi-purpose Social Science.....(missed the last bit)

The #3 Swan Hatch was originally a lab.

It was an Electromagnetic station

I got the idea that the other stations were on the same island, because the guy said that the swan station focused on electromagnetics because there was such a high level of electromagnetism in THIS PART of the island. It was not exactly in those words, but he did say "this part of the island". That just sounds like the other stations were on the other parts of the island.

I wonder if Danielle's team of researchers who were studying time, had anything to do with any of the other Dharma experiments.

It makes sense to me, given everything, that they are all taking place on or near the Island. I think the term he used was "sector."

My first impression was that the other experiments could be anywhere, not neccessarily on the island. My husband assumed they are on the island. I missed that "this part of the island" statement, I'll have to watch it again. Interestingly enough though (to me anyway), the island or part of the island that Jin, Sawyer, and Michael are on was definitely different. The number one thing I noticed was that there was an abundance of wildlife sounds- birds, frogs, monkies, something. You don't hear anything like that in past jungle scenes.

Of course, there is the possibility that there really isn't any other experiements at all. I too agree that nothing would have happened if the button wasn't pushed. So, maybe the whole thing was just a study on whether or not whomever is in the hatch would continue to push the button (notice, the film said nothing about the world ending if this was not done, so I'm assuming that Calvin told Desmond this, because that was his own assumption), and for how long. Maybe they said there was other experiments going on, just so that they hatch dwellers would think that something really big was happening, that they couldn't let others down. Kind of a "fear of the unknown" experiment.

They study electromagnetic fluctuations, Meteorites....


Remember that Hurley's place of employment was struck by a meteorite, LOL

The number one thing I noticed was that there was an abundance of wildlife sounds- birds, frogs, monkies, something. You don't hear anything like that in past jungle scenes.

Actually there are monkeys in season one, because I always wonder why they never see the monkeys :)

Good Question...I'm wondering if Danielle and her crew could have been sent as the replacements? How long ago did her and the rest of her team arrive on the island? I do remember her saying something about the numbers are what brougth her here. (Maybe during the conversation with Hurley...maybe Sayid)

Yes, the orientation film definitely said , "this part of the Island"...so I think the other sections are on this Island...but they could have been long abandoned (people left after NOT punching in the numbers and nothing happened to destroy the Island/World) and since those other sectors were not on the electromagnetic part of the Island they could possibly have escaped. Or they are all just dead. Or...the polar bears probably ate the zoologist(s) and the parapsychologist(s) have Walt and are continuing their experiments....

yeah, I'm thinking they're all on the island somewhere. I wonder now, though, about the replacements for those guys manning the other stations...what if noone had come, what if those guys are now gone and noone's running those stations.... hmmmm?

I have to think that while maybe all of the experiment locations are not on the island itself, they have to be close by. Does anyone remember last weeks episode, when Michael and Sawyer were out in the ocean fighting over the rafts, and the shark swam by? It had a symbol similar to the "Swan" on its tail fin, but it was definitely different. The "Swan" actually looks similar to a ying/yang symbol, but the one on the shark was different. Unfortunately I don't have the episode saved so I can't watch it again, but I do remember telling my husband that it looked different. We had it TiVo'd and even went back and looked again.

The Orientation film was 3 of 6

Good catch. If this one is Orientation #3 Swan then let's speculate what the other 5 are. Would each one be represented by an animal?

In the film they talk of zoology, which covers the bear.

They also mention parapsychology, which covers the hallucinations and whispers?

They study electromagnetic fluctuations, Meteorites....

They are Free thinkers trying to make a Utopian paradise? Their goal is a Multi-purpose Social Science.....(missed the last bit)

The #3 Swan Hatch was originally a lab.

It was an Electromagnetic station

Exactly. I think all the stations are on the island. I think the 'others' may be the inhabitants of the other stations.

I believe the six were:
1. Zoology (polar bears)
2. Meterorology (weather?)
3. Psychology
4. Parapsychology (whispers?)
5. Electromagnetism (where they are - maybe responsible for the plane crash?)
6. Studying Utopian society

My question is in which one of these stations did something go 'terribly wrong'. And which one is responsible for the black smoke and the trees being uprooted from the ground?

www.thehansofoundation.org

lists them as being:

The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

I agree. This sector has the electromagnetic signature. Sort of mademe think the other ones were on the island but in different parts.

And Danielle is a scientist too I wonder how that fits in if at all.

The Orientation film was 3 of 6

Good catch. If this one is Orientation #3 Swan then let's speculate what the other 5 are. Would each one be represented by an animal?

In the film they talk of zoology, which covers the bear.

They also mention parapsychology, which covers the hallucinations and whispers?

They study electromagnetic fluctuations, Meteorites....

They are Free thinkers trying to make a Utopian paradise? Their goal is a Multi-purpose Social Science.....(missed the last bit)

The #3 Swan Hatch was originally a lab.

It was an Electromagnetic station

And speaking of animals ... did anyone catch those two fighting polar bears? That jumped right out at me!!

thank you , thats what I was thinking!

it was the same symbol

I got the impression that all 6 were on the island also. That the Swan labortaory was the 3rd one "on this island".

I've been wondering what Desmond's partener died from. They never said what or I just missed it. Was it the sickness? Or did he just die of old age? He could have been really old. I'm speculating that maybe Danielle's crew were to be the replacements. They never made it 16 years ago. The guys in the hatches started getting old and expired. ???

What if no one's actually being recruited, but brought there against their will (by the weird electromagnetic stuff going on) and sort of integrated into whatever experiments or projects that are going on? I know this doesn't explain the stocked pantry and new-ish appliances, but we totally could be dealing with two or more groups of folks--one group who knows what's going on, the other groups made up of crash survivors who split off into separate tribes or whatnot. The "incident" here could be a dividing line between intentional participants in the beginning and accidental (crash-victim) participants.

That goes along with Jack's take on the situation. Could it be an experiment where the 1st group of people or teams supposedly in the hatch are actually be the experimenters. The people like Desmond who didn't volunteer but more or less got pulled into it be the blind subjects? This whole things is too weird. There's definitely more to it. Desmond sounds like he was more likely tricked into staying in the hatch.

That goes along with Jack's take on the situation. Could it be an experiment where the 1st group of people or teams supposedly in the hatch are actually be the experimenters. The people like Desmond who didn't volunteer but more or less got pulled into it be the blind subject? This whole things is too weird. There's definitely more too it. Desmond sounds like he was more likely tricked into staying in the hatch.

Good catch, it does seem like the whole bunker could be the experiment along with the unlucky people who get sucked into it.

Last week, I thought the shark had the same symbol, now I don't think so. People pointed out before that the symbol looked slightly different; the swan was a straight line on the shark. The swan obviously is for this station. The other stations probably have their own symbol. The shark, and maybe polar bear, must be from the zoology station. There was even a screen shot that showed something on the polar bear's shoulder that could have just been a shadow, but might be another Dharma logo.

Remember that in season 1 Sayid found a cable that ran into the water. I believe that there is another island out there somewhere.

or maybe the line is powering an underground laboratory

Someone had the idea of 6 different islands, but we truly don't know how large this one is yet. Also the tower Danielle was talking about has go to be connected to one of the research stations.

Anyone have an idea as to how the Black Rock fits in with any of these sectors?

I think there must be a hasta in the water. The symbol on the shark's tail was the ba guang (sp, sorry) with a line through the middle. http://www.noelf.net/Lostsharklightened.jpg

or maybe the line is powering an underground laboratory

Or an underwater one.....

thats what i meant sorry :) yea mayber they were doing underwater wildlife research and that has something to do with the tides to, maybe theyre controlling the ocean

I think there must be a hasta in the water. The symbol on the shark's tail was the ba guang (sp, sorry) with a line through the middle.

Kind of looks like the Pepsi logo in that cap. Perhaps there was a 7th station that was performing some kind of soft drink experiment.:grin:

fogive me, but I can't remember if he said it last night or not..
How Exactly did Desmond get on the Island?????
He was in a race around the world and ....???

fogive me, but I can't remember if he said it last night or not..
How Exactly did Desmond get on the Island?????
He was in a race around the world and ....???

He crashed. I don't remember if he said boat, but I took it that way.

Perhaps there was a 7th station that was performing some kind of soft drink experiment.

There you go- the TRUE physcological experiment: Can we get these 43 coke drinkers to switch to Pepsi? :D

Exactly. I think all the stations are on the island. I think the 'others' may be the inhabitants of the other stations.

I believe the six were:
1. Zoology (polar bears)
2. Meterorology (weather?)
3. Psychology
4. Parapsychology (whispers?)
5. Electromagnetism (where they are - maybe responsible for the plane crash?)
6. Studying Utopian society

My question is in which one of these stations did something go 'terribly wrong'. And which one is responsible for the black smoke and the trees being uprooted from the ground?

I agree with this.

If you go with the theory that the folks on the island were brought there deliberately, I wonder if each person is "slotted" for a certain sector and set of experiments. I would think that Walt was wanted for the Paranormal part of the island, and thus they came and "got him".

Then again, I don't know if I even buy the premise that they were brought there deliberately.

Last week, I thought the shark had the same symbol, now I don't think so. People pointed out before that the symbol looked slightly different; the swan was a straight line on the shark. The swan obviously is for this station. The other stations probably have their own symbol. The shark, and maybe polar bear, must be from the zoology station. There was even a screen shot that showed something on the polar bear's shoulder that could have just been a shadow, but might be another Dharma logo.

I agree. Good catch!

Last week, I thought the shark had the same symbol, now I don't think so. People pointed out before that the symbol looked slightly different; the swan was a straight line on the shark. .

Did anyone notice the tattoo on the big strapin' dude that was with the others/tail survivors? I noticed it in the screen caps. Had the same octagon shape. I never caught if anyone else saw it also.:undecide:

I think that all six experiments are (or were) taking place on the island. In fact, we've seen evidence of most of them . . .

1. Meteorology: rain starting and stopping just like that - what Charlie called "End of the world type weather."

2. Zoology: polar bears, sharks, maybe even the monster that killed the pilot (which I think is different than the black smoke, exploding trees monster), maybe the boars

3. Para-psychology: This includes ESP, apparitions, clairvoyance, precognition (For more explanation, see http://www.psychology4all.com/VGM-ParaPsychology-Revised.htm
We've seen this in the whispers, the dream Claire had, the vision Locke had of Boone, the vision Boone had of Shannon, the "projection" of Walt saying don't press the button, and probably some other examples

4. Electromagnetism: compass not working right, crazy stuff in the hatch (but I don't think the hatch is really this station, see below)

5. Social Utopia: maybe this is where the "others" will come in (in a experiment gone wrong way)

6. Psychology: I believe the hatch found by our lostaways is actually this experiment. Subjects are led to believe by the orientation film that they are manning the electro-magnetic experiment after a terrible "incident" (which I don't believe ever occurred) and therefore they must press the button every 108 minutes. As noted numerous times on this board, this seems to be a B.F. Skinner based experiment.

I think all the experiments are taking place on the island with slightly different symbols for each. Another interesting part is the Black Rock and the numbers (heard by Lenny in 1940s) seem to predate any experimentation on the island by the Hanso folks.

Just my speculation. :)

6? I thought there were only 3. And there are 3 houses on the mural. I thought they represented the hatches on the island. Where did we get 6 experiments from?

Mural?



Good Question...I'm wondering if Danielle and her crew could have been sent as the replacements? How long ago did her and the rest of her team arrive on the island? I do remember her saying something about the numbers are what brougth her here. (Maybe during the conversation with Hurley...maybe Sayid)

During her conversation with Hurley in 'Numbers', she tells him that her ship was a research vessel, and they heard the numbers on the radio. They investigated and crashed on the island.

She also said that 16 years ago she found the transmitter, and replaced the recording of the numbers with her distress call, so she's been on the island at least that long.

I wonder what the original distress call was (aside from the numbers being repeated)? Is The Incident what caused the distress?

On the film it it is printed 3 or 6 in the beginning.

I have to think that while maybe all of the experiment locations are not on the island itself, they have to be close by. Does anyone remember last weeks episode, when Michael and Sawyer were out in the ocean fighting over the rafts, and the shark swam by? It had a symbol similar to the "Swan" on its tail fin, but it was definitely different. The "Swan" actually looks similar to a ying/yang symbol, but the one on the shark was different. Unfortunately I don't have the episode saved so I can't watch it again, but I do remember telling my husband that it looked different. We had it TiVo'd and even went back and looked again.
Yes, it is a different symbol. It has a straight line through the center circle. The film did say they were doing animal research, perhaps there's a hatch in the ocean?

Someone had the idea of 6 different islands, but we truly don't know how large this one is yet. Also the tower Danielle was talking about has go to be connected to one of the research stations.
On Danielle's map there is a "crater" labled. It looks really big. Perhaps there are more hatches in there or a main comand station.

fogive me, but I can't remember if he said it last night or not..
How Exactly did Desmond get on the Island?????
He was in a race around the world and ....???
He said he was on a "solo" boat race around the world. I took that to mean that he was in his boat alone, no crew. It crashed on the island but he didn't explain how.

Mural?
The mural in the hatch ... on the wall outside of the living area. It has three white houses on it.

www.thehansofoundation.org

lists them as being:

The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility


But isn't that 7 not 6? Or would that last one not be considered one of the experiments?

And since my vocabulary is apparently too weak for all of this stuff, I googled "Eugenics" and got this from the Wikipedia site:

Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through social intervention. The goals have variously been to create more intelligent people, save society resources, lessen human suffering and reduce health problems. Proposed means of achieving these goals most commonly include birth control, selective breeding, and genetic engineering. Critics argue eugenics has been applied as a pseudoscience, that it has a potential for objectifiying human characteristics and note that historically it has been a means whereby social thinking culminated in coercive state-sponsored discrimination and human rights violations, even genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

This would help to explain the OTHERS to some degree, no?

GottaWatch:

I agree with all of your points...

1. Meteorology - I think Locke picked up on this - perhaps because the timing of the rain was somehow regulated by the experimenters. Remember how he knew that the rain would start in one minute, give or take? He probably didn't suspect experiments, but he knew that something unusual was going on with the weather. Or at least it was a little clue for us. :)

2. Zoology: Perhaps the shark or an underwater station was also involved with the drowning of the scuba diver? And with the death of Scott (Steve?) that "came from the water".

6. Psychology: I totally agree with your take on this - when the film mentioned Skinner, it was like a bell going off (but I didn't start salivating, honest ;) )!

billm75: Actually, none of the projects listed on the Hanso web site are sectors. The Dharma project is listed separately (it's a hidden link, a few lines below the last project). So that's eight projects, but 6 sectors in the Dharma project (of which Swan is #3). I think.

But isn't that 7 not 6? Or would that last one not be considered one of the experiments?

And since my vocabulary is apparently too weak for all of this stuff, I googled "Eugenics" and got this from the Wikipedia site:

Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through social intervention. The goals have variously been to create more intelligent people, save society resources, lessen human suffering and reduce health problems. Proposed means of achieving these goals most commonly include birth control, selective breeding, and genetic engineering. Critics argue eugenics has been applied as a pseudoscience, that it has a potential for objectifiying human characteristics and note that historically it has been a means whereby social thinking culminated in coercive state-sponsored discrimination and human rights violations, even genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

This would help to explain the OTHERS to some degree, no?
Actually, there are 8 listed. The Dharma Initiative is a hidden link under the last one on the list. It shows the film Locke and Jack watched.

But those 7 are not titled Dharma so maybe they are not connected to the Dharma Initiative at all.

I think the "Juxtapositional Eugenics" thing could be why they wanted Walt. Also, the connection to Skinner lead me to Walden II (knew about the behavioural stuff, but not this) From wikipedia:

Walden Two describes a fictional community designed around behavioral principles. The community is minimally consuming and minimally polluting, and it is egalitarian in the division of work. Its most controversial aspect is the communal raising of children and the educational system, which teaches patience and how to handle destructive emotions such as jealousy along with normal academic subjects.

Perhaps this is why they wanted the children??

I think the "Juxtapositional Eugenics" thing could be why they wanted Walt. Also, the connection to Skinner lead me to Walden II (knew about the behavioural stuff, but not this) From wikipedia:

Walden Two describes a fictional community designed around behavioral principles. The community is minimally consuming and minimally polluting, and it is egalitarian in the division of work. Its most controversial aspect is the communal raising of children and the educational system, which teaches patience and how to handle destructive emotions such as jealousy along with normal academic subjects.

Perhaps this is why they wanted the children??
That's a good possibility. But seems if that's the case, that system sure falls short on teaching the children to not be violent!

I think a couple of things happened to the original DeGroot team and their experiments. First, they found out that it's impossible to get off the island. This naturally made it impossible to recruit replacements, although supplies could still be sent in via drone aircraft and boats, which obligingly crashed or wrecked there.

Whether from feeling trapped and hopeless, or from a sickness resulting from one of the experiments, the original team went feral and became "The Others," grabbing anyone who happened to end up on the island due to its tendency to draw in and wreck ships and planes.

Someone on the outside, perhaps someone totally separate from the DeGroot/Hanso nexus, identified and dispatched to the island the sorts of people they wanted to end up there for the experiments to continue. Why they'd still be doing this is beyond me, unless they're completely nuts. There's no way Desmond and Jack would meet and then end up there three years apart unless there's a lot of manipulation going on (or Desmond is a liar.)

I believe that the experiment underway in the Swan Hatch is indeed a Skinnerian operant conditioning exercise and that nothing would happen if the numbers weren't coded in.

Cardie

LostFan - Thanks, that makes a little more sense when explained that way.

I think a couple of things happened to the original DeGroot team and their experiments. First, they found out that it's impossible to get off the island. This naturally made it impossible to recruit replacements, although supplies could still be sent in via drone aircraft and boats, which obligingly crashed or wrecked there.

Whether from feeling trapped and hopeless, or from a sickness resulting from one of the experiments, the original team went feral and became "The Others," grabbing anyone who happened to end up on the island due to its tendency to draw in and wreck ships and planes.

Someone on the outside, perhaps someone totally separate from the DeGroot/Hanso nexus, identified and dispatched to the island the sorts of people they wanted to end up there for the experiments to continue. Why they'd still be doing this is beyond me, unless they're completely nuts. There's no way Desmond and Jack would meet and then end up there three years apart unless there's a lot of manipulation going on (or Desmond is a liar.)

I believe that the experiment underway in the Swan Hatch is indeed a Skinnerian operant conditioning exercise and that nothing would happen if the numbers weren't coded in.

Cardie
I posted this to another thread but it fits with your theories.

I too think that nothing will happen if the button isn't pressed but I don't think that part was set into motion for a mind game/control experiment. I think that it was set into motion to keep those people in the bunker(s) off of the surface. Keeping them occupied with that code entering and button pressing every 108 minutes would keep them underground. And since Calvin had no partner and then Desmond ended up with no partner, they would have had less and less opportunity to go to the surface.

Of course the question then is, what was happening on the surface that they didn't want those men to see or know about? Was it possibly the brining of those that "crashed" on the island?

Sorry if anyone's posted this already, but the video tells us "...reclusive Danish industrialist and muntions magnate Alvar Hanso, whose financial backing made their dream of a multi-purpose social science research facility a reality.
You and your partner are currently located at station 3

You tell me.

I'm not sure if there are 6 experiments. The first thing in the video is "THE DHARMA INITIATIVE 3 OF 6 ORIENTATION". I took this to mean that this video was the 3rd in a series of 6 training videos for the DHARMA INITIATIVE. The 3rd one had the title "Orientation". The second screen said "ORIENTATION - STATION 3 - THE SWAN". My opinion is that this training video is the orientation training for station 3 only. The other stations (experiments) would have their own set of 6 training films, including their own orientation video. If this is true, then we can only assume that there are 3 stations but may be more based on the number of projects listed on the www.thehansofoundation.org website. Station 3 would be the "Electromagnetic Research Initiative" listed on the website.

I think there must be a hasta in the water. The symbol on the shark's tail was the ba guang (sp, sorry) with a line through the middle. http://www.noelf.net/Lostsharklightened.jpg

The black parts in the middle of that logo looks like fish to me, perhaps the animal in the shark logo is not made up by the white part of the sign, but the black?

I think the cables where not going to the island bu from the island to a an underwater lab and maybe this lab is the "Shark" lab just as the sector #3 is the "Swan". the logo looks to have a shark in the middle versus a swan.

www.cafepress.com/DharmaCorp

I'm not sure if there are 6 experiments. The first thing in the video is "THE DHARMA INITIATIVE 3 OF 6 ORIENTATION". I took this to mean that this video was the 3rd in a series of 6 training videos for the DHARMA INITIATIVE. The 3rd one had the title "Orientation". The second screen said "ORIENTATION - STATION 3 - THE SWAN". My opinion is that this training video is the orientation training for station 3 only. The other stations (experiments) would have their own set of 6 training films, including their own orientation video. If this is true, then we can only assume that there are 3 stations but may be more based on the number of projects listed on the www.thehansofoundation.org website. Station 3 would be the "Electromagnetic Research Initiative" listed on the website.That's what I first thought too. But then Marvin Candle said they were at Station 3 - The Swan. Which makes me think there are 6 different stations.

I have actually read Walden 2 by BF Skinner. It was fascinating. I ran across it when I was researching the ideas behind moshaves and kibbutz while doing a paper on utopian societies....oh...about 1975 when I was 18. Essentially it comes to this: do you wish to have a completely controlled environment where everything is possible and all expectations are the same or do you wish to have an environment with minimal control and an opportunity to explore options???
This could be part of the whole hanso concept.

I have actually read Walden 2 by BF Skinner. It was fascinating. I ran across it when I was researching the ideas behind moshaves and kibbutz while doing a paper on utopian societies....oh...about 1975 when I was 18. Essentially it comes to this: do you wish to have a completely controlled environment where everything is possible and all expectations are the same or do you wish to have an environment with minimal control and an opportunity to explore options???
This could be part of the whole hanso concept.Sounds like Man of Science (control), Man of Faith (Options) to me.

The Shark icon is different, then the Logo for Station 3 (Hatch)

http://www.thetailsection.com/images/shark_tail.jpg

I see what i believe is an arrow or a missile pointing towards tail.

This might well be the symbol for the Zoology Station.

There are 8 projects, although only 7 is listed on the Hanso Foundation site.
The Zoological project isnt mentioned there any more.

But the Life extension programme might include the animals on island.
The following is currently listed:

Life-Extension Project (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html)
Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html) The Swan (Station 3)
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/qeti.html)
Mathematical Forecasting Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mfi.html)
Cryogenics Development Imperative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/cdi.html)
Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/jedi.html)
Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/arvtf.html)

And the Movie says 3 of 6. So this means some of these projects are not included on island, or is conducted elsewhere. They might be conducted from somewhere else, but are focused on Island, and somehow i feel this is connected to Walt's powers.

Remote Viewing Projects was big with both CIA and KGB during the cold war and there is lots of documentation on subject.

The CIA in the late 1990's released their research info on projects dating back to the 1970's.
So that means civilian researchers like the DeGroot's had a project going at the same time as CIA.

For all we know it could be a CIA black bag project.

But then again it could just be film 3 of 6 in a set.


a useful link

http://www.psitech.net/ (http://www.psitech.net/MovieViewer.html?MovieSel=Intro)

The Shark icon is different, then the Logo for Station 3 (Hatch)

http://www.thetailsection.com/images/shark_tail.jpg

I see what i believe is an arrow or a missile pointing towards tail.

This might well be the symbol for the Zoology Station.

There are 8 projects, although only 7 is listed on the Hanso Foundation site.
The Zoological project isnt mentioned there any more.

But the Life extension programme might include the animals on island.
The following is currently listed:

Life-Extension Project (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html)
Electromagnetic Research Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/emri.html) The Swan (Station 3)
Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/qeti.html)
Mathematical Forecasting Initiative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/mfi.html)
Cryogenics Development Imperative (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/cdi.html)
Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/jedi.html)
Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/arvtf.html)

And the Movie says 3 of 6. So this means some of these projects are not included on island, or is conducted elsewhere. They might be conducted from somewhere else, but are focused on Island, and somehow i feel this is connected to Walt's powers.

Remote Viewing Projects was big with both CIA and KGB during the cold war and there is lots of documentation on subject.

The CIA in the late 1990's released their research info on projects dating back to the 1970's.
So that means civilian researchers like the DeGroot's had a project going at the same time as CIA.

For all we know it could be a CIA black bag project.

But then again it could just be film 3 of 6 in a set.


a useful link

http://www.psitech.net/ (http://www.psitech.net/MovieViewer.html?MovieSel=Intro)When we get a better look at the sharks tail I bet the bars around it will also be a different pattern that the bar pattern arounf the Swan Logo.

I'm not sure if there are 6 experiments. The first thing in the video is "THE DHARMA INITIATIVE 3 OF 6 ORIENTATION". I took this to mean that this video was the 3rd in a series of 6 training videos for the DHARMA INITIATIVE. The 3rd one had the title "Orientation". The second screen said "ORIENTATION - STATION 3 - THE SWAN". My opinion is that this training video is the orientation training for station 3 only. The other stations (experiments) would have their own set of 6 training films, including their own orientation video. If this is true, then we can only assume that there are 3 stations but may be more based on the number of projects listed on the www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org) website. Station 3 would be the "Electromagnetic Research Initiative" listed on the website.

Good catch. Had to read it twice but I get what you are saying. Not only are they at station 3 but they are watching part 3 of 6. I have to go back and watch now...

~som

I think it's much more likely there are 6 stations rather than 6 different films.

My reasoning is that Dr. Candle says something along the lines of, "but first let me give you a little history" and then goes into talking about the DeGroots, etc.

It seems to me that information like that would be something on the first film (not the 3rd of 6) of a series of films. The film we saw was introductory. It wouldn't make sense for introductions to be in film three.

I think it's much more likely there are 6 stations rather than 6 different films.

My reasoning is that Dr. Candle says something along the lines of, "but first let me give you a little history" and then goes into talking about the DeGroots, etc.

It seems to me that information like that would be something on the first film (not the 3rd of 6) of a series of films. The film we saw was introductory. It wouldn't make sense for introductions to be in film three.

The history portion would be included however if each station had a specific orientation film for each one. That would make sense to me since each station would be dealing with different things.

I'm not sure if there are 6 experiments. The first thing in the video is "THE DHARMA INITIATIVE 3 OF 6 ORIENTATION". I took this to mean that this video was the 3rd in a series of 6 training videos for the DHARMA INITIATIVE. The 3rd one had the title "Orientation". The second screen said "ORIENTATION - STATION 3 - THE SWAN". My opinion is that this training video is the orientation training for station 3 only. The other stations (experiments) would have their own set of 6 training films, including their own orientation video. If this is true, then we can only assume that there are 3 stations but may be more based on the number of projects listed on the www.thehansofoundation.org (http://www.thehansofoundation.org) website. Station 3 would be the "Electromagnetic Research Initiative" listed on the website.


So I went back and watched it. Got sucked in again so it took longer than I thought. I gotta start planning for that... This is what it said. The caps below aren't me yelling; it is how it was on the film. : )

It opens with...




THE DHARMA INITIATIVE

3 OF 6

ORIENTATION



Then, we get what I will call a new page. Same black background with white writing. The Swan Dharma symbol at the top and it says...


ORIENTATION - STATION 3 - THE SWAN





Anyway. I think there are 6 parts. Whether there are 6 parts of "Orientation" videos or 6 videos all together for The Dharma Initiative with only one of them being labled "Orientation", I don't know.

I'm with ya Roland and stickin' with this one. Hope I don't have to find out what crow tastes like... :D

~som

That's what I first thought too. But then Marvin Candle said they were at Station 3 - The Swan. Which makes me think there are 6 different stations.


I am thinking the same way. I just watched the show for the third time and my take is that the swan is station #3, and each station has their own orientation tape. Station 3, requires blindly entering the sequence into the computer every 108 minutes.

I saw this and thought it is really interesting that the Others resemble the doctorate couple note: really is a spoiler:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/hepscat/capture.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/hepscat/othersenhanced.jpg

The history portion would be included however if each station had a specific orientation film for each one. That would make sense to me since each station would be dealing with different things.

Yes, if it is number three of six orientation films, each for a different station, that would work. But it works because it supports the theory of six stations.

I was refuting the idea of the film being the third of six films for that particular station ... the Swan. :)

I don't think the doctor looks like the "other" from the boat. I also think there are only 6 films with each station having 1 orientation film for each. If this was film 3, why wouldn't desmond tell them where the other ones are? It's not like they would be lost in the capsule. And he did have the orientation film tucked away in a specific place. And it is also a little wierd to be giving basic instructions and history of your experiment on the 3rd film in a series.

We might now have an explanation for the hallucinations, the strange camera shots as if you are being watched. Vincent has become part of the Zoology project. Maybe some of the Whisper's.
These things could all happen as part of different stations.

I don't think the doctor looks like the "other" from the boat. I also think there are only 6 films with each station having 1 orientation film for each. If this was film 3, why wouldn't desmond tell them where the other ones are? It's not like they would be lost in the capsule. And he did have the orientation film tucked away in a specific place. And it is also a little wierd to be giving basic instructions and history of your experiment on the 3rd film in a series.

Desmond wouldn't have known where the other ones are. He was just brought into the hatch by Kelvin and told to keep hitting the button. He wasn't involved with the project so may not have known about any other experiments.

IMDB (which has been famously wrong in the past) has the king of the seabillies, aka actor M C Gaines, coming up in episode 5 as ... none other than ... Kelvin.

Upper Right screen (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1181&pos=650) looks like there is a camera in the jungle where Jin ans Sayid were.