I think they're trying to tell us we're all NUTS! :harhar1:

LOL!
I believe you're right there car88win.
Or if not there already, heading that way.
Anyone up for connect four?
hehe


Namaste

:cool:

Okay, seriously. The recording with the woman saying the numbers totally creeped me out. The theory on this site is SUPER creepy and really awesome.

Thanks notlsot! Anyone know if the exclamation point in the header of BS1 has always been there? This morning is the first time I noticed it. We all know what an exclamation point is, but just for giggles from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%21):

Exclamation marks are used to emphasize a warning.

On warning signs, an exclamation mark is often used to draw attention to a warning of danger, hazards and the unexpected. These signs are common in hazardous environments or on potentially dangerous equipment.

Also, I'm beginning to think more and more that Kate is a rabbit on the outside (or was, before that farmer caught her). Tiberius once posted a while back a clue that read "Beware the Warren of the Snares." This is a Watership Down reference; the heroes come across a warren of rabbits that are lazy and fat and happy. Food is brought to them, and they never have to struggle for survival. The only dark thing that happens is that every once in a while, a rabbit will, well, disappear. They are being bred by a farmer who feeds and cares for them, and kills them.

Could this be a parellel with Ray Mullen, the farmer that takes in Kate? I am suspicious of Kate for a number of reasons. I think her behavior on the island belies that she knows more about where they are and what is going on than she is telling anyone (and why? If she's a rabbit, she doesn't know whether or not any of the survivors are with Hanso). She goes on every trek into the jungle, and her behavior in the flashbacks is curious. She sacrifices everyone around her. I don't think she's evil; I think she's singularly focused on her rabbit mission. And I think more and more that she was sent to perhaps keep an eye on (or eventually kill) Ray (he of the missing arm--a Hanso clue? Think Dr. Candle...), but he got to her first, and put her on that Hanso plane to the island.

I've got a terrible cold. Maybe I'm not thinking clearly, but it seems that if there is some sort of Anti-Hanso action going on in the outslde world, it would be plausible that someone on that plane could have been a member. And it may be Kate. Or maybe Ana Lucia. I haven't made up my mind as to which of them it is. Maybe after we get some Ana flashbacks it might be clearer.

Thanks notlsot! Anyone know if the exclamation point in the header of BS1 has always been there? This morning is the first time I noticed it. We all know what an exclamation point is, but just for giggles from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%21):

No, it definitely was not there on Tuesday, or before that. I have not had a chance to look since then, but was checking pretty regularly Friday through Tues., and the header was not an exclamation point. It was "bigspaceship1" then.

Hee Hee,

Hey until this rabbit hole provides us with another interesting screen to stare at - how's this for a quest: While I was making a video tonight, working with the soundtrack on it - during Sawyer and Kate's scene when she reads the letter outloud - I can hear what I believe is humming just like in the hatch when Jack got close and his key took a liking to the wall. Can someone else check if I've truley gone nuts or coconuts.? :rolleyes:

mrclucks.com just updated. Picture of a chicken whose head comes off for a split second.

There is a page of links that you can go to (through the red paragraph symbol in the lower right corner).

One of the links is to globespotter.com (http://www.globespotter.com/). On this page is this information in invisible script:

16

TORONTO – PB-Sales (TSX: PBS.T) announced today that it has agreed to acquire the assets of the former Oceanic Airlines, in a transaction valued at approximately $750 million.

Oceanic Airlines based in Los Angeles , CA , was founded in 1980 and ceased operations in January 2005. Oceanic experienced financial difficulties after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks along with most other commercial airlines, and reduced their fleet in 2002 from 23 to 8 aircraft in an attempt to maintain profitability.

Oceanic lost several class action lawsuits in relation to a terrorist attack on Flight 343 from Athens to Dulles in 1996, as well as an incident involving nerve gas in 2000 on Flight 762, from Sydney to Los Angeles. Although Oceanic implemented security measures to reduce the risk of terrorist attacks, the class action suit for the loss of Flight 815 in September 2004 for over $4B USD plunged Oceanic into Chapter 13 bankruptcy from which it could not recover.

Oceanic Flight 815 went missing under mysterious circumstances on a flight from Sydney to Los Angeles . No trace was ever found of Flight 815 despite intensive search and rescue operations, and the investigation concluded that the Boeing 777 aircraft with over 300 passengers broke apart on impact with the Pacific and sank without a trace.

Oceanic Airlines ceased operations on January 24th 2005 . President and founder Michael Orteig expressed regret that Oceanic had to cease operations after 25 years.

The offer to purchase the remaining assets of Oceanic Airlines by PB-Sales is considered to be a risky proposition in an industry that has faced huge financial and safety issues over the past 4 years, however PB-Sales is optimistic that Oceanic can be a viable operation focusing on the lucrative South-Pacific routes.

FAA review and approval is required prior to Oceanic being able to start flying, however PB-Sales is confident that the approval will be forthcoming and that Oceanic Airlines may be flying again as early as December 2005.

“We are excited about Oceanic Airlines and its prospects and are eager to provide a superior experience in terms of comfort and safety under the well respected Oceanic name.” said Vincent Madison, Director of Corporate Communications for PB-Sales. “The company has a long history of service in the South Pacific and attractive growth opportunities.”

The acquisition is subject to customary conditions, including receipt of required regulatory approvals, and is expected to close before the end of year or in early 2006.

PB-Sales is a diversified company with annual consolidated revenues of approximately $17 billion and consolidated assets of approximately $14 billion. PB-Sales is one of Canada ’s largest companies with global operations in transportation, service, manufacturing and technology industries. Its operating companies include Merrick Biotech., Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems., Geocomtex and Daystrom Data Concepts. PB-Sales shares trade on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the stock symbol PBS.T.

For further information: Vincent Madison – (416) 958-2211

For more information on PB-Sales, visit its website at www.pb-sales.com.

This news release may contain forward-looking statements that are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to known and unknown uncertainties and risks, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated or implied by such forward-looking statements.PB-Sales is under no obligation to update any forward-looking statements contained herein should material facts change due to new information, future events, or otherwise.

Vincent Michaels. Heh.
Wonder if any of PB's other holdings will come into play?
ETA: OH THERE'S EVEN MORE! Go to the pb-sales.com site, and then to their businesses. There should be a link to the Merrick Biotech site (http://www.merrickbiotech.com/). Awesome. Going to look for more.

Right. So, the Merrick site is a site related to the movie The Island, and the other company on there was Geocomtex, which is a Dr. Who fan site. So. Um. Yeah.

Alright. Sorry to keep bumping this thread, but there are some more pieces that I need to include in here before I lose them.

Remember the Classifiaction film that may or may not be a "fake" Hanso film? This is the message that was posted on the fuselage when it appeared:

Samuel DeGroot
On the Tarmac

Join Date: October 21, 2005
Posts: 1 Dharma Initiative Classification Film

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I wish I had enough time to introduce myself further, but I feel endangered even as I type this message. It was in late November, 1982, when I was removed from the Dharma group after a secondary incident which involved both my brother Gerald and his wife Karen.

Since that time I've had 23 years of forced normalcy, until that fateful evening in 2004 when hearing news reports of the disappearance of a flight from Sydney, Austalia enRoute to Los Angeles. Under other circumstances I wouldn't have thought otherwise, but it was an Oceanic flight, and those numbers. Those damned numbers.

I knew it would be a matter of time before another incident would take place, and soon my past would eventually catch up with me. During my time at Dharma I had been given a series of 8mm training films, all but gone except for one which I had returned. It's this film I've transferred to digital format. Perhaps this can serve beneficial to those who may need it. I don't plan on being here very long anyway.

http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/H...16-81.wmv.html

Unfortunately, I got this from lost-forum, and not here. Anyone know where on The Fuselage this was originally posted? What I find interesting about the message is this line: "Under other circumstances I wouldn't have thought otherwise, but it was an Oceanic flight, and those numbers." Why was it important that it was an Oceanic flight, unless Oceanic is part of the plot?

The message above about pb-sales buying Oceanic has now led to this site: oceanicworldair.com (http://www.oceanicworldair.com/). In the source code is this message:

<!-- AJ, Thanks for getting the site up in time. Next week will answer a few questions. Rose already knows. VDM-->


Hmmm... So is Rose in on it? Is she a Hanso agent?

Interesting, thanks for sharing that, I wonder when in November that site will be up and running.

Wasn't MrClucks deemed not official?

Hey Big Spaceshippers...

Did any of you more industrious watchers of the site happen to record any of the audio that had been playing? I'm most interested in getting the sped-up "I made a wish upon a star tonight/satellite" song, but anything would be OK.

Thanks!

great stuff todell,,, i am trying to keep it all strait... what links to what... what the ties might be...

i had never seen that post on fuselage before the classification film came out.. do you think its not only a fake post but a fake post of a fake post?

Captain: this was in the source code for mrclucks:

<!--This site is not created by ABC or Touchstone. As a former writer for the show 'LOST' I have inside knowledge that serious fans may want to have. Instead of just leaking this info, I thought I would have a little fun and present it in code. Also I have nothing to do with the podcast I am linking to. I am just a big fan of it. - Quinn-->

So, no I don't it's official, but could he be linking to things that are? Who knows. I'm just throwing everything out there that I come across, and seeing what sticks.

I Miss Artz: If you join the smartdusters (http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/smartdusters/) on yahoo groups, you can open up this file in the flash movies file: satellite.swf (http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IJZvQzonCBYW9PcO1ZEOAixsY3yWL11BleCtHwfd8VWuZuxLTh xdPeNVrU4cBxy10l_ay10ytMJO-4CDnCa-zTbJrEELWVEmWnPM/Flash%20movies/Bigspaceship1/satellite.swf)They've done a great job over there collecting the files on BS1.com
Hope this helps!

Alright. Sorry to keep bumping this thread, but there are some more pieces that I need to include in here before I lose them.

Remember the Classifiaction film that may or may not be a "fake" Hanso film? This is the message that was posted on the fuselage when it appeared:



Unfortunately, I got this from lost-forum, and not here. Anyone know where on The Fuselage this was originally posted? What I find interesting about the message is this line: "Under other circumstances I wouldn't have thought otherwise, but it was an Oceanic flight, and those numbers." Why was it important that it was an Oceanic flight, unless Oceanic is part of the plot?

The message above about pb-sales buying Oceanic has now led to this site: oceanicworldair.com (http://www.oceanicworldair.com/). In the source code is this message:



Hmmm... So is Rose in on it? Is she a Hanso agent?

Seek and ye shall find

i just had the weirdest experience. i hit todell's link and then i was looking around, then i came upon a quote from a thread from the fuselage where I asked javi something
it was just weird seeing my name on another website, twilite zoneish

Simplist: you are always so nice--thanks! Honestly, I think the Classification film is a real film. Passenger 23, were you talking about this exchange with Javi? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=23566&highlight=beware) :
passanger 23F:

whats will all the websites, which ones are real
www.bigspaceship1.com
the dharma ones

the chicken one

help
people are messing with us

Javi:
are you actually asking me to take all the fun out of this? no! you can't be! part of what makes lost so great for us is the life it has taken on for itself... i'll tell you this, though, beware of fake hanso films!

beware!

ja
vi

This exchange took place on the same day (and perhaps earlier?) that the message from Sam DeGroot appeared. So, what to make of Javi's cryptic message? I think the film is a real product by the creators of the show. The "beware of fake hanso films" part makes me think that it is Hanso propaganda. DeGroot describes it in the message as a training film. If I am correct, and the Rabbits are (partly) made up of Hanso scientists who discovered the truth behind what Hanso was up to, the films would be propaganda. Perhaps to entice scientists to come work on the project? Perhaps to idealistic young people to be subjects of a utopian porject. Whatever. But I think Javi was being clever here, in calling it a "fake" film, because, again, there's wiggle room in that statement.

In terms of which websites are authentic? Who knows. I have my reservations about a number of them, and it is hard to keep track of which sites come from where, but it's fun to look, no?

Dogstar.

Vincent?

Gee, do ya think "Dogstar" has anything to do w/ Keanu Reeves band of the same name? LOL!

anyone contact the creator of the website?

this is kinda screwy, although aint it always

BuckDharma: or meaybe satellite radio?

Here is wiki's link for Sirius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius). BEcause I'm finding the Egyptian Escathology thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25175) so interesting, here are some points that stood out to me:

Historically, many cultures have attached special significance to Sirius. Sirius was worshipped as Sothis in the valley of the Nile long before Rome was founded, and many ancient Egyptian temples were oriented so that light from the star could penetrate to their inner altars. The Egyptians based their calendar on the heliacal rising of Sirius, which occurred just before the annual flooding of the Nile and the Summer solstice. In Greek mythology, Orion's dog became Sirius. The Greeks also associated Sirius with the heat of summer: they called it Σείριος Seirios, often translated "the scorcher." This also explains the phrase "dog days of summer".

In the astrology of the Middle Ages, Sirius was a Behenian fixed star, associated with beryl and juniper. Its kabbalistic symbol Image:Agrippa1531_Canismaior.png was listed by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa.

Mysteries

There are a few unsolved mysteries regarding Sirius.

* Firstly, apparent orbital irregularities in Sirius B have been observed since 1894, suggesting a third very small companion star, but this has never been definitely confirmed.[1]
* Secondly, ancient observations of Sirius describe it as a red star, when today Sirius A is bluish white. The possibility that stellar evolution of either Sirius A or Sirius B could be responsible for this discrepancy is rejected by astronomers on the grounds that the timescale of thousands of years is too short and that there is no sign of the nebulosity in the system that would be expected had such a change taken place. Alternative explanations are either that the description as red is a poetic metaphor for ill fortune, or that the dramatic scintillations of the star when it was observed rising left the viewer with the impression that it was red.

[edit]

The Dogons

It has been suggested that the Dogon tribe of Mali knew about unseen companion star(s) before they were discovered in the 19th century. This is a source of speculation for UFO enthusiasts and was the subject of the book The Sirius Mystery by Robert Temple. This work has been debunked by astronomer Carl Sagan, among others, as based on confabulation and selective evidence. Careful research reveals there was probably cultural contamination on the part of visiting astronomers who went to the region to observe a transit of Venus.[2]

and this means what exactly?

wouldn't it be dog start?

-.. --- --. ... - .- .-. -

I think it spells Dog Start

pebblesbl: I think you've got an extra dash at the end there. That last dash is a dash on your browser, as in XXX-Netscape. If you look in the page source code, it gives the morse code, and you can copy it into a morse code translator. Although dogstart would be interesting...

And passenger23, who knows what it means. I'm hoping someone will have some great breakthrough and tell me.

Thanks Todell :-)

Todell, I just did some of my own research on Dog Star (Canis Major). Very interesting stuff.

The god of the sun Apollo was jealous of Orion because of Artemis' love for him, and looked for a way to kill him. Apollo challenged Artemis to hit a speck far out in the ocean, teasing her about her archery skills. Apollo knew, although Artemis didn't, that the speck was really Orion swimming. Artemis killed him with a single arrow. When she realized it was Orion, she was overcome with guilt and placed him up in the heavens as a constellation. His faithful hunting dog, Sirius, would not stop searching hysterically for his master Orion, so Artemis placed him, the Dog Star, at Orion's heels. ~ bottom of the page of http://www.sirius-books.com/siriusness.html

Okay, I'm guessing Vincent represents Sirius, but I wonder who Apollo, Artemis, and Orion are represented by? Charlie, Claire & Locke?

And the mobula website... Where were those photos taken?? The sea of .... ? Ana Lucia ....?Hmmm.

New image up
Fly Nigerian Airways Always
allrighty

Same morse code as before, but image when changed to black and white shows a cross-hairs like on a hunting scope.

Same morse code as before, but image when changed to black and white shows a cross-hairs like on a hunting scope.

Really? How interesting! Is there a screencap anywhere?

Now it is a travel bag that links you to troyland.com ....? What in the wide world of sports is goin on here!!!??

http://www.troyland.com/africa1.html

Ooookay... I followed the Africa links to where the Nigerian Air bag that was on the link, but what does it mean? Reference to the drug smuggling plane? As usual, I am confused. Ah what a show...

Maybe it's a suggestion that Eko is a Rabbit? Who knows. But I have my doubts that he was on 815...

Another thought: both the travel bag and the flying mobula have that same blue background. As kung fu zoo cleverly pointed out the mobulas are in the Sea of Cortez as in Ana Lucia. Could these pages be representing the tailies?

Really? How interesting! Is there a screencap anywhere?


Are we allowed to post pictures? If so, I can copy and post the picture. Otherwise, I'm not very tech savvy and don't know how to upload the picture and post a link. If I can't post the picture, you can save the picture from the site to your computer (I saved it to My Pictures folder), open the picture with Windows Picture and Fax Viewer, then click on the icon that opens the picture for editing. That opened the picture in Paint. Under the Image button, you can go into attributes and change it to black and white. That is probably a long and convoluted way to do it, but it only takes a minute.

Its my first post on any forum ever, but here goes...

I thought 'Dogstar' didnt have a space in it and when I searched I found a book with the same name. Its synopsis is:
Juneau, Alaska, 1932. This is where thirteen-year-old Jeff Beacon is
stranded when his parents take him on an Alaskan cruise to help him get
over the death of his beloved dog, Buddy. The problem is that Jeff is a
twenty-first century kid, with a laptop computer and hightop sneakers.
Why has he been transported in time to the Alaskan frontier? And how
can he find his way home? Jeff must answer these questions quickly --
and his only help is the town's Bull Terrier, Patsy Ann. With Patsy Ann
as his guide, Jeff befriends the gruff Captain of the old sailboat
DogStar and an adventurous girl named Rose. Together, they uncover a
dangerous secret. When the Captain, Rose and Jeff hatch a plan to set
things right in Juneau, Jeff must make a surprising choice about going
home -- and, once again, Patsy Ann holds the key. Thought the time travel was interesting. Other reviews mention searching for treasure.

Hmmm... very interesting, micgue! Welcome to the fuselage! Thanks for posting here first!

"A DOG IS AN ANIMAL AND AN ANIMAL IS A DOG"

And a beautiful bio-form of some sort. Anyone on the plane German (http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/haeckel/kunstformen/natur.html)?

(thanks, Likelylost!)

The author of the book is one Ernst Haeckel

from wikipedia we learn:
He extrapolated a new religion or philosophy called Monism from evolutionary science. In Monism, all economics, politics, and ethics are reduced to "applied biology." His writings and lectures on Monism provided scientific (or quasi-scientific) justifications for racism, nationalism and social darwinism. Monism thus became the de facto religion of Nazi Germany.

I could not find the exact same image that we see in bigspaceship1 in his plates of drawings. Did anyone see it? It is, however, another 8-sided figure.

Good eye on the eight-sided thing, Likely! Can't figure out what it is...

There's also an asteroid named after him. Just like there's one named for a Hanso.

He specialized in radiolaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolaria).

Radiolarians (also radiolaria) are amoeboid protozoa that produce intricate mineral skeletons, typically with a central capsule dividing the cell into inner and outer portions, called endoplasm and ectoplasm. They are found as plankton throughout the ocean, and their shells are important fossils found from the Cambrian onwards.

Precambrian age, Questors?

He also believed in Lamarckianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_of_acquired_traits), or inheritance of acquired traits:
It states that the traits an organism acquires during its lifetime in correspondence to its environment will be transmitted to its offspring. According to this theory giraffes have long necks because shorter giraffes spent their lives stretching their necks to reach their food, foliage, and they passed on this trait to their young, creating over generations the modern giraffe. Today most scientists view this theory of evolution as incorrect. Lamarck believed that species changed of their own free will and if a limb or body part was not used, the body part could completely fall off or disappear if the animal wished it to.

So, if Michael's father learned how to remote view, say, then that trait would be passed down to Michael and Walt, according to this, right?

And the bit about body parts falling off if the animal wished it; free will determining biology. Hmmm.... seems like it could be relevant...

New code
I think it says:
A dog is a man and a man is a dog
Is that correct?

Yep! Good eye!

Interesting that both phrases are mirrors of each other...

This is my first post on any lost forum so I hope it's ok! I noticed there's new content at http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ -- go to active projects, then the there's a press release about the "life extension project" that's hilarious! And a link at the bottom that makes a textbox appear where you can enter a password... that's as far as I can get.


But I looked at the source to the page and it's weird, it says:

<div style='position:absolute; top:285px; left:346px; z-index: 3;' id="entry">
<!-- LOL H4x0r3d!!1 -->
<form name="h4x" id="h4x" action="#" method="POST" onSubmit="return c(this.p455.value);">
<input type="password" id="p455" name="p455" maxlength="25" size="10"
/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="button" name="Submit" value="Submit" onClick="c(this.form.p455.value);"
/><br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;<input type="button" />
</form>
</div>
and there are these hidden numbers:
110,101,103,97,104,110,101,112,111,67|102,105,103, 46,111,104,119,95,114,116,108,47,115,101,103,97,10 9,105

Anyway this is my first post so I hope it's ok :)

ketzl: not only is it ok, but it is a great post! Welcome to The Fuselage! This is so exciting! Thank you for your great hunting skills--excellent!

Yay! I cracked the code!

What's the etiquette, should I share?

i think sharing would be best

Well I can't wait to talk about it but I don't want to spoil the fun of cracking the code :) If you look at the page source, it turns out that the password is encrypted using a pretty simple scheme. I don't even know javascript and I was able to figure it out... although in all fairness I am an IT professional. But really it's not hard... Should I post the password in spoiler font?

do it, its ok...the fun is all of us working together to solve, not as individuals

OK I'll use spoiler font though :)


The password is 'Copenhagen' and it takes you to www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_who.gif

The letter talks about Hanso's secret offshore research facilities on the island of Zanzibar being the site of this mysterious infection... could that be the Lost Island? I didn't think they were anywhere near Africa.

hmmmm...maybe it is the island...but i doubt that it would be that easy to find.

But maybe. I have a feeling it is another research facility tho. But I am fairly positive that this disease has something to do with the sickness.

I think the sickness crossed with the orangutan's "transgenic life extension" modifications to make people both crazy and very long-lived.. that could explain quite a few things about the Others.

Great work, ketzl! Did a quick search. It's a real address in the memo, Development and Research Training in Human Reproduction,
World Health Organization, 20 Avenue Appia, 1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland. ... I guess GHO=WHO. There are other depts at this address, but it's too late for me to research.

Thanks ketzl! That's awesome; and don't worry about cracking things as they come up--I sure won't be able to on my own.

I find the African connections fascinating. There is a whole thread dedicated to all the African connections on the show here. (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=15932&highlight=Africa)
Zanzibar....

Locke thought the Black Rock were miners from Mozambique, just south of Zanzibar.The Priests plane could have easily made the flight to Zanzibar on their fuel. Interesting. Good Find.:biggrin:

Locke thought the Black Rock were miners from Mozambique, just south of Zanzibar.The Priests plane could have easily made the flight to Zanzibar on their fuel. Interesting. Good Find.

Thanks!

Perhaps the Black Rock miners spread the sickness to the island, although it would seem more likely that someone from the Hanso Foundation did it. Maybe the priests' Holy Heroin is infected and waiting to turn Charlie crazy (and immortal) the first time he cracks?

But this letter is dated 2005 and talking about a disease that's just developed. The sickness on the island is supposed to have been there for decades.

Thanks!



But this letter is dated 2005 and talking about a disease that's just developed. The sickness on the island is supposed to have been there for decades.

Yes, but the disease has just developed in African mainland or something. Which means maybe the sickness just recently got out into the real world but has been on the "island" for quite some time now.

When I type in the password I can't get it to do anything but go back to the main page. When I get the box for the password I also have the access denied wording int he background doubled, does everyone's show up this way?

Edit...nevermind, I figured it out. Thanks!

New picture on BS1: Korean propaganda: Kim Jong-Il's father, Kim Il-Sung. Morse code is the same...

Fascinatingly, when you click on the image, you get a propaganda picture of Sung at a mining operation. Hmmm...

And the one on BS1 is this: With Kim Ch’aek, manufacturer of domestic firearms. (http://www.dprkstudies.org/documents/nkpics/1pg074.html)

I looked up the disease that was said in the memo (Menigococcal disease, a.k.a Meningitis) on WebMD. Here is what it said:

Meningococcal meningitis is a form of meningitis caused by a specific bacterium known as Neisseria meningitidis. Meningitis is characterized by inflammation of the membranes (meninges) around the brain or spinal cord. This inflammation can begin suddenly (acute) or develop gradually (subacute). Symptoms may include fever, headache, and a stiff neck, sometimes with aching muscles. Nausea, vomiting and other symptoms may also occur. Skin rashes occur in about half of all individuals with meningococcal meningitis. Treatment with antibiotics and other drugs is usually effective against this infection.

I think the really interesting part is the "inflammation of the membranes around the brain or spinal cord." Perhaps this new strain is a combination of the Meningitis and the life-extension things. Maybe the inflammation produces hallucinations in this case?

A little information on Kim Ch'aek, the arms dealer in the picture with Kim Il-Sung. The name is used on an ironworks factory that makes missiles for North Korea.
Missile Facilities:

Kim Ch'aek Iron and Steel Complex (http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/NK/64_764.html)

So to make along explination short the paperwork says they maybe the "incident" was the spreading of this disease from the the lost island (possibly Zanzibar) to the mainland?

By the way: there's been some speculation on the other thread about the Hanso site that the secret page is the work of a hacker because of this line in the page source: <!-- LOL H4x0r3d!!1 --> Could it be that it was written into the source code to look like it was hacked? Meaning, maybe a "rabbit" that has inside information from Hanso hacked into the Hanso site and posted the fax?

Also, the Kim Il-Sung thing on BS1: could it be a reference to propaganda, in addition to arms dealers, iron mines and weapons? Hanso is utilizing propaganda? And Kim Il-Sung was by no means a good leader; he created the whole cult of personality in North Korea, and crippled his nation for his own benefit. But his son Kim Il-Jun has been worse. There are rumors that he uses human experimentation on political prisoners, refugees that tried to escape and their families. Could this be part of a suggestion that Hanso is participating in human experimentation? Or, and this is a stretch, but follow me here, that Alvar Hanso started the foundation, but now there is a new generation in charge of Hanso that has taken things to unimaginable excesses in their experiements?

Just blathering, I guess....

Wow, a lot of good information to absorb. First, I know meningitis can cause some possible island ailments like blindness and visual/auditory hallucintations (although in very acute case). So, that seems like a likely suspect concerning the Others.
The bigspaceship1.com North Korean reference concerns me re. the rabbits. http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200505/kt2005052919193410440.htmIn July 2002, the North’s National Academy of Science claimed that it cloned two rabbits using genetic materials from adult cells but the process was not verified via a peer-viewed journal.

International recognition of the North Korean clone will make it the world’s second exploit with rabbits after a team of French biologists, headed by Jean-Paul Renard, who cloned four rabbits for the first time in history in March 2002.


I fear the fate of our rabbit allies. And that propaganda artwork on bs1 seemed really creepy.

Bacterial meinigittis, as well as viral, or any meniningitis can cause all sorts of hallucinations, inappropriate behavior, or lethargy. Very dangerous stuff. Those persons with bacterial are isolated in the hospital, special gear is worn when near them.
Perhaps Dharma was blending species with the simian/human and some of the diseases mutated as well. HIV is supposed to have started that way, in Africa as well, jumping from a species...

Im curious. The medicine that Desmonds takes says CR 4-81516-23 42. So i made a google-search for CR medicine and it turns out that CR is some kind of a definition of psychological medicine, mabye the antivirus for the infection?

Hey Dutta
You are right!
It originally was: A dog is an animal and an animal is a dog, but it changed to the dog/man phrase. I messed up in the translation; your correct translation is:
A dog is AN man and a man is a DM
Most curious.
Possibly forgetting to change AN to A; but DOG to DM? Sounds intentional.
Now to just figure out what it means.:)

Funny: I'm still getting the message: "A DOG IS AN MAN AND A MAN IS A DOG" I'm copying it from the page source and pasting it into the translator, but I could be doing it wrong.

If it is DM, could it be re: Denmark? I've got Copenhagen on the brain...

Guys, something else I just noticed--it's in 3D I'm like why is the coloring off -- asked my 13yo for his glasses and sure enough it is.

Nay 815:

you mentioned in your post that you needed to read up on Transgenics for the Joop orangutan project. i'm a doc and have done lots of work in transgenics and can give you some info:

Transgenics is the process of transfecting a gene into a living organism (could be a cell, a bacteria, a fish, a mouse, etc). transfecting means inserting. Transgenic animals are created routinely (i've done it dozens of times) to see what type of a change in an animal you might get by giving it a new or different gene, or by "knocking out" an existing gene. For example, say you want to follow a fish's blood flow . You can transfect a gene that causes a fish's white blood cells glow green when under UV light . you take a fertilized fish egg, create the "UV sensitzation" gene and then transfect the gene into the fish egg. If it works, when the fish develops, you can shine a UVlight on the fishtank and watch the path of it's blood flow! this fish will pass this gene on to its offspring, who will also glow and be "transgenic fish".

Not to my knowledge has any transgenic human egg ever been created. It's very, very sketchy stuff to do in humans, much like the stem cell stuff, but similar attempts have been made with adult humans by exposing a human to an altered virus that is has a desired gene. You expose the human to the modified virus, the subject gets a cold, but now has a new gene inserted into some of their cells. One human subject at the University of Pennsylvania died during an study back in 1999, so this type of research is up in the air for now. (September 17, 1999 death of 18-year-old patient Jesse Gelsinger ) http://www.ucsf.edu/daybreak/2000/02/22_genetherapy.html

anyway, this Hanso statement implies that they have developed a gene or knocked-out a gene in Joop that now allows the ape to extend his life. It's not so far fetched, honestly, if you can figure out which gene(s) to put in or take out.

Hi guys,

very interesting your threads.. did you realise that in the second letter they refer to the article 2342.. do the numbers sound familiar? What about if the numbers we all know refers to a the chapter 4-8 lines 15 and 16 of the article 2342.
Have anyone found the article yet?
I am still reserching!!!

This is my first post on any lost forum so I hope it's ok! I noticed there's new content at http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ -- go to active projects, then the there's a press release about the "life extension project" that's hilarious! And a link at the bottom that makes a textbox appear where you can enter a password... that's as far as I can get.


But I looked at the source to the page and it's weird, it says:

<div style='position:absolute; top:285px; left:346px; z-index: 3;' id="entry">
<!-- LOL H4x0r3d!!1 -->
<form name="h4x" id="h4x" action="#" method="POST" onSubmit="return c(this.p455.value);">
<input type="password" id="p455" name="p455" maxlength="25" size="10"
/>&nbsp;&nbsp;<input type="button" name="Submit" value="Submit" onClick="c(this.form.p455.value);"
/><br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;<input type="button" />
</form>
</div>




and there are these hidden numbers:
110,101,103,97,104,110,101,112,111,67|102,105,103, 46,111,104,119,95,114,116,108,47,115,101,103,97,10 9,105

Anyway this is my first post so I hope it's ok :)

Ketzl, nice work! but excuse my suspicion if i am amiss. this being your first post to the lage and you find this new info and "crack" the password out of nowhere is a little odd. hmm. i am a little bit suspicious that you might actually have more information than you let on... but truthfully, i'm not really one to talk since this is only my 4th post! anyway, ketzl, can you tell me more about yourself? and again, please excuse my suspicion if i'm wrong! do you work for Hanso or the GHO?

"TRIMISLANDCAT"

http://members.westnet.com.au/web/tcentre/trim.htm

"TRIMISLANDCAT"

http://members.westnet.com.au/web/tcentre/trim.htm



I love that story, but I got lost as to its relevance somewhere along the way.

Same gasmask image but for code I now see:
Gazing slowly at the midnight s (sun I assume)
An awful song - anyone figured it out?

3-D huh? Guess I need to dig up some glasses.

Likely: Yeah, it's that "Magnet and Steel" song again, but layered on top of itself (kinda like the 3-D image, maybe?)

and the morse code says: GAZINGSLOWLYATTHEMIDNIGHTSTAR, I think.

Midnight star?

Great work y'all are doing on this thread.

Todell:

I got curious about "Midnight Star" and went googling. I only found one link that might mean something. It's the first one about a Midnight Star Social Center in Sydney. The other is a song from Wierd Al Yankovic. Not sure about it, it's about a tabloid. Kinda cute, though. And ESP and such is mentioned in it.

http://scan.dorja.com/midnightstar/what.html

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Midnight-Star-lyrics-Weird-Al-Yankovic/DAFF62F5AAA19FA64825690F0014BF8B]

I thought I’d do a little googling on gas masks. I found this site interesting:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-gas-masks.htm

No one inventor can lay claim to the original gas mask design, although many sources give major credit to an African-American soldier working during WWI. Soldiers exposed to airborne poisons would often urinate on a cloth and cover their mouths and noses with it. The ammonia in the urine would chemically neutralize the chlorine gases commonly used on the battlefield during WWI.

Ahh, another reason to “pee on it”

Are our rabbits using these masks to protect against the disease? Do you need something this drastic to avoid it? The masks would lead one to believe that the disease is actually something airborne.

Nice likely....

Johnny Reb: thanks for that! Very interesting. I was hoping that it was Midnight Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun), since it is a phenomena in Norway of all places. And there's something about the phrase that reminds me of eclipses, like Tiberius included in his early clues.

Of course, the Sun is a star...

Cool stuff on gas masks, Likelylost. Yeah, I think the sickness is airborne. The sickness mentioned in that fax on the Hanso site, Meningococcal meningitis (http://www.acha.org/projects_programs/overview.cfm#transmission), is transmitted through the air:

Meningococcal bacteria are transmitted through the air via droplets of respiratory secretions and direct contact with persons infected with the disease. Oral contact with shared items such as cigarettes or drinking glasses or through intimate contact such as kissing could put a person at risk for acquiring the infection. People identified as close contacts of a patient with meningococcal disease should receive antibiotics to prevent the disease.

Meningococcal disease usually peaks in late winter and early spring. The disease can easily be misdiagnosed as something less serious, because symptoms are similar to the flu. The most common symptoms include high fever, headaches, neck stiffness, confusion, nausea, vomiting, lethargy and/or rashes. Anyone with similar symptoms should contact a physician immediately. If not treated, often within hours of the onset of symptoms, the disease can progress rapidly and can lead to shock and death.

intriguing.........

Is it me or is the morse code longer today than it was yesterday? I'm not good at working that out....

--. .- --.. .. -. --. ... .-.. --- .-- .-.. -.-- .- - - .... . -- .. -.. -. .. --. .... - ... - .- .-.

It is, car88win: it says "GAZINGSLOWLYATTHEMIDNIGHTSTAR"

Here (http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi) is a good morse code translator. Just cut and paste!

ETA: How do you "gaze slowly?"

jeeze, obviously not enough coffee this morning. I thought it seemed longer. Cool, thanks for the link!

Gaze slowly -- look through my eyes :)

New image - same code
mouse and cheese
a single red dot
and Mama Cass
black and white and red all over again
Making my own kind of music here :)

I'm just having a spaz attack right now! That's so funny!

It's not rabbits we need to worry about, it's rampant rats! Either that or they have a contract with the chipmunks

:clapping:

I wish there was a way to save the songs. It just cracks me up.

isnt it this song that desmond puts on in the first ep of season 2 in the bunker when he gets up in the morning?
Mouse, cheese picture maybe indicating what desmond was.Getting a mouse in a laboratory to push a button to get the cheese as they do sometimes.

Ketzl, nice work! but excuse my suspicion if i am amiss. this being your first post to the lage and you find this new info and "crack" the password out of nowhere is a little odd. hmm. i am a little bit suspicious that you might actually have more information than you let on... but truthfully, i'm not really one to talk since this is only my 4th post! anyway, ketzl, can you tell me more about yourself? and again, please excuse my suspicion if i'm wrong! do you work for Hanso or the GHO?


*giggling*

I was looking at the mouse/cheese and my daughter looked over my shoulder and said "hey, what are those letters in the back?". If you look closely, on my monitor I have to look at an angle, we see '2FEN06' in the background, large above the mouse in the black area.

Isnt that what was in the red dot on the polar bear?

indeed it is.

Also, for those interested, there's a way to record streaming sound using your headphone and microphone jacks. You'll need to hit Radio Shack, but it's very easy.
More details if you'd like them are available by private messaging me, as it;s a bit complicated to describe.

Very cool, ketzl!

Population:
Definition Field Listing Rank Order
no indigenous inhabitants
note: there is a staff of three to four at the meteorological station (2005 est.)

I odn't know what it means, but I love it! With every new little detail that you find, my original thought that the site was supposed to be sending secret messages to Anti-Hanso forces seems less and less likely. But who knows?
Safety Dance nearly killed me.

Over on TWoP, LoChicago found this site (http://www.pandemic.com/lucia/) on Lucia Pamela. So wacky...

As we say in Germany: Geil !!!

*giggling* well, i'm still suspicious!:biggrin:

I was more interested in the name of the group singing Safety Dance (Royal Jelly Orchestra), than in the song itself. After noticing the bees on the island, this may be a clue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_jelly

Royal jelly is a type of bee secretion that aids in the development of immature or young bees. It is secreted by the heads of young workers and used (amongst other substances) to feed the young until they develop to the desired rank. If a queen is desired, the hatchling will receive only royal jelly as its food source, in order that she will become sexually mature and have the fully developed ovaries needed to lay more eggs for the hive.



and also this story by Roald Dahl by the same name:

http://www.roalddahlfans.com/shortstories/roya.php

Creepy. And the lyrics:
We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance
Well they're no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can dance



The line "leave your friends behind" reminded me of Sawyer and Michael's conversation last week. Didn't they accuse each other of this?

**MOD edited to remove the majority of the copyrighted lyrics. please do not post entire lyrics or articles. do so is against site rules. thank you.**

Also wanted to point out that over on TWoP someone found this page (http://www.pandemic.com/lucia/book5.html) from the Lucia Pamela site. It's a page from her coloring book. Note the explanation is "Although the Dog appears to be smoking, Lucia has stated "it isn't really a dog. It's a man in a dog suit.""

A MAN IS A DOG AND A DOG IS A MAN?

Also, some have said that a midnight star in astronomy is a planet that is visible at local midnight. Also, I've seen that some have called Mars the midnight star (which if true is interesting since Tiberius has been signing himself "The Blacksmith of Mars" lately).

I found this on Midnight Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwezda_Dnieca).

In Slavic mythology, the Zorya (alternately: Zarya, Zvezda, Zwezda) are the three (sometimes two) guardian goddesses, known as the Auroras. They guard and watch over the doomsday hound that threatens to eat the constellation Ursa Minor, the 'little bear.' If the chain breaks loose and the constellation is devoured, the universe is said to end. The Auroras represent the Morning Star, Evening Star, and Midnight Star, respectively, although the Midnight Star is sometimes omitted.

The Midnight Star is Zorya Polunochnaya (also Zwezda Polnoca). Some legends omit this Zorya, leaving only the Morning and Evening Auroras. Each night, the sun dies in the Midnight Zorya's arms and is then restored to life. She is a goddess of death, rebirth, magic, mysticism, and wisdom.

"Midnight Star" could be a clue that on the surface of the "dark side" of the moon could be a hint that a satellite that be seen from the far side of the moon and could not be seen from Earth (AKA: L2 Earth-Moon). Since the moon only has one side facing the Earth, the far side oft the moon had never been seen by man (at least until 1967, with the Luna 4 probe and Apollo 8). Wouldn't it be nice if an elevator went from the moon to this space station? Then you could grow some awesome crops on the moon (if you figure 15-16 days of sun, the harvest would be nice if the meteorology were controlled. Every 23 days the space station would have to be "adjusted" to stay in orbit (since Legrange points one, two, and three are unstable and all) . With a society like that, it wouldn't be hard to keep suppiles going up to the midnight star, thus working your way to the answer to life, the universe, and everything (42).

Alright. So one of my other favorite is-it-or-isn't-it sites is back up: oceanicairlines.com. There's invisible text...

Alright. So one of my other favorite is-it-or-isn't-it sites is back up: oceanicairlines.com. There's invisible text...

Ooooooooh, spooky invisible text.

Actually that statement sums up how I feel about LOST. Exactly. That's what I have to keep reminding myself of, because you're drawn to travel in certain directions based on what your mind automatically does with information.

But not with LOST. Stop, turn around, and go down that other road. The one that goes off over that mountain. But it's really not a mountain, its a __________. I'm still hoping there's a pyramid in there somewhere. Even it only seems like a pyramid.

You and your pyramids, chelle! :biggrin: (Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all...)

here's the message when you call the number:

The phone number opens with a "beep" then a male voice says "Thank you for calling Oceanic Airlines, the representative you called is not available. Please leave your name, telephone number, and a message. Thank you." Beep.


The number is a Cingular number from New York, but according to TWoP research:
due to number portability, some numbers have been transferred to a new service provider other than the registered carrier. for what that's worth.

At the heavens-above website, if you go to the planets section, a red dot designates Mars, and a white one Venus. If you look up the date that the plane (supposedly) crashed (9/22/04), Mars was on the opposite side of the sun from Earth.

Or, in my opinion, the red dot signifies a "they are here" type of situation, and the big white one is the moon.

Has anyone played around with the sky chart by changing the date and time to reflect this now theory about when they crashed? 2009 etc.

BS1: the image is the same, the morse code now is "WARSTARS"

Star wars? More backwards talk, sorta?

It looks to me that the cheese is now a bit animated.
Star backwards is Rats (but I think that is a mouse not a rat).

It is animated, L. So I looked up Swiss Cheese, and all I could find that was interesting was the following:

Swiss cheese is the generic name, in the United States and Canada, for several related varieties of cheese, all of which resemble the Swiss Emmentaler. It has a distinctive appearance, as a block of the cheese is riddled with holes known as eyes.

Three types of bacteria are used in the production of Emmentaler cheese: Streptococcus thermophilis, Lactobacillus, and Propionibacter shermani. In a late stage of cheese production, P. shermani consumes the lactic acid excreted by the other bacteria, and releases carbon dioxide gas, which slowly forms the bubbles that make up the eyes. Swiss cheese without eyes is known as "blind".

Eyes and bacteria. Maybe it means something? I don't know...

ETA: Also, the oceanicairlines.com site added a link to Brian Parkson's name (http://www.oceanicairlines.com/404/).

Todell
I wish we had someone who could look at the animation because I think I see other images in the cheese now.
Faces in the mud and now images in the cheese.
Time to take me away I think.

Also? The animation is of static. Which reminds me of the Sleeping Polar Bear image we had for a while with the static playing the in background.

Static:

Static electricity (http://www.answers.com/static%20electricity)?

Static electricity or electrostatics is a field of science and a class of phenomena involving the imbalanced charge present on an object, typically referring to charge with voltage of sufficient magnitude to produce visible attraction, repulsion, and sparks.


White noise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_noise)?

Static Spacetime (http://www.answers.com/static%20spacetime)?

In general relativity, a spacetime is said to be static if it admits a global, nowhere zero, timelike hypersurface orthogonal Killing vector field. Every static spacetime is stationary. In a static spacetime, the metric components may be chosen so that they are all independent of the time coordinate. It is in this sense that a static spacetime derives its name, as the geometry of the spacetime does not change. An example of a static spacetime is the (exterior) Schwarzschild solution.
(Any physics folks out there who can explain this to me in a dumbed down way?)

Static the Twillight Zone episode (http://www.answers.com/topic/static-the-twilight-zone?method=6) about time travel?

Static the superhero (http://www.answers.com/topic/static-superhero?method=6)?

Static is a teenage African-American superhero with electromagnetic powers. Virgil Hawkins was 15 years old when he became Static. He gained his powers at a huge showdown between the gangs of the city, where he hoped to get revenge on a gangbanger who had been bullying him. During that "Big Bang" the authorities released a tear gas marked with a harmless radioactive marker so that any gangbangers would not escape arrest, not knowing that it had been further spiked with an experimental mutagen called Quantum Juice (Q-Juice). Virgil was exposed, and when the agency behind the experiment tried to capture him, he fought back, discovering that he had gained the ability him to generate, manipulate, and control electromagnetism. Virgil named himself "Static" and became a superhero.

Or, just "static"

stat·ic (stăt'ĭk) pronunciation
adj.

1.
1. Having no motion; being at rest; quiescent.
2. Fixed; stationary.
2. Physics. Of or relating to bodies at rest or forces that balance each other.
3. Electricity. Of, relating to, or producing stationary charges; electrostatic.
4. Of, relating to, or produced by random radio noise.

n.

1. Random noise, such as crackling in a receiver or specks on a television screen, produced by atmospheric disturbance of the signal.
2. Informal.
1. Back talk.
2. Interference; obstruction.
3. Angry or heated criticism.

Any thoughts on what is pictured on the mouse itself?

Yeah--I think it was the Haeckel drawing (http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/haeckel/kunstformen/natur.html) that we saw earlier.

Todell someone emailed me a rabbit joke and I thought you'd enjoy it.

A man opened a refridgerator and found a rabbit inside. He asked the rabbit what he was doing in there? The rabbit said, "This is a Westinghouse, isn't it?" The man replied, "Yes it is" The rabbit then said, "We'll I'm westing"

I particularily liked the tie into Westinghouse. :biggrin:

:roflmao: :roflmao:

Yes, but was the rabbit a robot?

Todell - the image on the mouse/rat is the same we had earlier that linked to the Haekel drawings. But I was never able to find that particular drawing. It was similar to many, but not exactly the same as any one. It was "Haekel-like" but not exactly Haekel.

I like the static idea. The cheese does have that quality. Static can obstruct sounds, either intentionally or not. Interestingly we have no sounds being broadcast to be obstructed. Or else they are being so well obstructed we can't hear them at all. Maybe they are in Vincent's range of hearing.:)

BS1 playing a song "Extra Sensory Perception." Anyone know the artist?

Not I, and I can't google the lyrics. Odd!

Did you see mrclucks.com appears to be down?

Huh, back now. But it was down for like 20 mins.

I googled "Extra Sensory Perception" and found this link:
http://www.conelrad.com/media/atomicmusic/sh_boom.php?platter=23
It's an album by Sheldon Allman titled "Folk Songs for the 21st Century" and includes the song "Extra Sensory Perception."
Todell found this web page in connection with an earlier Bigspaceship1 page as shown in his post of 10/11/05 concerning "Schizophrenic Baby":

So they are playing some song about "two for the price of one" and "split-personality" but I can't find the lyrics to save my life. The Morse code reads: "YOU ARE THE MAGNET AND I AM STEEL"
At least they gave the bears some music to dance to.
Can anyone see if the number code has changed?
Interesting thoughts, cmcd...I'm not sure how comfortable I am getting behind the idea that ultimately egenics were being implemented in our best interest, but it certainly would be a twist to have the Foundation that we all suspect of evil intentions be the good guys.
I am beginning to wonder more and more about whether or not the Intitiative has been shut down, as I theorized earlier. Maybe they needed to bring back the outside "projects" back to the island to complete the project, and the "rabbits" are trying to undermine their efforts.

ETA: someone at TWoP got a screencap of the bears when they come together at the dot, and it looks like a bunny (http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1089/lostmno28nr.jpg). At least to my obsessed eyes.
And the song may be "Schizophrenic Baby" and might be traced back to this fella (http://www.conelrad.com/media/atomicmusic/sh_boom.php?platter=23). I love it.

BY THE WAY:

those of you with TiVO action: minute 32, Day 19. What are Bernard and Nathan building? (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=814&pos=300) A rabbit trap.

Bernard: Are we really going to be able to catch rabbits with this?

Nathan: Oh yeah, give me another stick.

But it seems that the rabbits got them...

Rich&Single: I don't know. And the bottom line is, there'll never be a way to prove one way or another, and isn't that kinda the point? I agree BS1 has linked to some questionable things that ABC could never officially approve of, but as long as no one can concretely connect ABC to them, how can anyone blame ABC. Furthermore, I don't think the folks who go to BS1.com will be so offended by Jesus of the Week that they would make trouble for ABC over it.

Also, I know that before BS1 showed up, there was a lot of whining on other forums that Lost hadn't done something like this. They were upset at the fact that the Hanso Foundation site linked to ABC, and that it took the viewer out of the reality of it. So, you see, they're screwed one way or another. Link to ABC and confirm that you are real, and you're going to upset the hardcore Internet fans. Don't link to ABC, and you'll have folks questioning your legitimacy.

Catch 22.

But, all I can offer is that bigspaceship.com is a design company that did some web work for LOST as you can see here. Are they related? I don't know, but it's the most legitimate clue yet. I've seen some good fan sites: Mrclucks.com, oceanicworldairlines.com (at least IMO), and http://www.kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm, but BS1 perplexes me. The graphics, the obscureness, the design and cleverness of it, the way it doesn't offer much (if any) information, it doesn't try to explicitly solve any of the mysteries...smells real to me.

Anyway; those of you who read the Tiberius thread, I was posting this (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=613599#post613599) over there this afternoon and something jumped out at me. Tib posted this clue a while back:

CVIII

This small opera
A tempest in a teapot
Beneath a Tempest Shield
A cage fit for Faraday
The very high voices gather outside
Yet none of the CVIII penetrate.
Over and over
A problem of frequencies
Fix her or she will drift
Drift CVIII ways

Warn her

Tiberius

I was researching ESP, and I found this:

Extra-sensory perception and technology

In the early days of radio and electronics, the technology seemed magical to most people, including the engineers working on it. It was suggested that it might be used to unleash previously impossible feats of mental ability. This included communication with dead people, who were considered to have moved on to another world or "plane". Alec Reeves, one of the pioneers of digital communications, considered ESP a perfectly reasonable proposition. He believed that many of his inventions were prompted by the dead pioneer Michael Faraday, and spent much of his earlier years trying to perfect spiritualist telecommunication devices. Some of his experiments are available as ActiveX pages on his website.

So I went back to Faraday and his cage that was mentioned in the clue and I found this:

In his work on static electricity, Faraday demonstrated that the charge only resided on the exterior of a charged conductor, and exterior charge had no influence on anything enclosed within a conductor. This is because the exterior charges redistribute such that the interior fields due to them cancel. This shielding effect is used in what is now known as a Faraday cage.

More static? Interesting...especially in light of that ESP song that was playing before this staticy image. Also, when you go to theislandiswaiting.com there's a lot of static in Walt's message--HEY maybe that's why Walt speaks backwards? When he tries to communicate normally the static blocks his "signal" as it were? The only way for the message to come through clearly is to be reversed?

I don't know. But I think the static is related to ESP somehow...

BS1 has changed again. Teddy Bear, "I Climb the Frosty Mountain"? And the Morse Code: "DARKSTONELIGHTSTONE"

Love the Jordan catch!

Here are the lyrics (http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=62606) to the song: I'll Sail Upon a Dog-Star:

I'LL SAIL UPON THE DOG-STAR
(D'Urfey?)

I'll sail upon the Dog Star,
And then pursue the morning,
I'll chase the moon 'till it be noon,
But I'll make her leave her horning.

I'll climb the frosty mountain,
And there I'll coin the weather;
I'll tear the rainbow from the sky,
And tie both ends together.

The stars pluck from their orbs, too,
And crowd them in my budget!
And whether I'm a roaring boy,
Let all the nations judge it.

Thanks car88win,

Had to edit my post. I can't get my quote option thing to work...

takes a couple of times to get it is all.

This site is going to be the death of me. I'll die from laughing I tell you. You hear the sirens - they're coming to take me away ha ha

And just for accuracy, "I'll Sail Upon a Dog-Star" was composed by Henry Purcell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Purcell).

Alright, this is all a little wacky, but it ties into a lot of the images and songs that have been on BS1.com lately.

Lemuria! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29)

Lemuria is the name of a hypothetical "Lost Land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its 19th century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography. Lemuria has been rendered superfluous by modern understanding of plate tectonics.

Though Lemuria has passed out of the realm of science, it has been adopted by Occult writers, as well as some Tamil people of India. Accounts of Lemuria differ according to the requirements of their contexts. However, all share a common belief that the continent existed in ancient times but sank beneath the ocean as a result of geological change, often cataclysmic.

Right, so it's this lost continent, ala Atlantis. But there are a number of interesting other connections, as BS1 has been presenting them. In 1864 a geologist proposed the idea of a lost continent to explain the existence of lemurs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_%28continent%29#Scientific_Origins)

As Lemuria gained some acceptance within the scientific community, it began to appear in the works of other scholars. Ernst Haeckel, a German Darwinian taxonomist, proposed Lemuria as an explanation for the absence of "missing link" fossil records. Locating the origins of the human species on this lost continent, he claimed the fossil record could not be found because it had sunk beneath the sea. Hey! It's Haeckel again!

So according to the occultists, Lemurians became these mystical creatures, sometimes they're reptilians, sometimes they're space aliens...whatever. They have advanced knowledge and are often clairvoyent.

According to this guy, some of the Lemurians came from Sirius and some came from the "Red Planet":

The Lemurians were like thought projections - not physically solid. It made them higher in frequency and closer to the Creator's energy vibration level. Their souls came to Earth to experience the physical vibration. They were large in stature, about nine feet tall. Their skin had an aqua cast changing from blue to green in conjunction with two seasonal cycles each year. Their faces were elongated, and oval. Their eyes were large with lids running vertically. The texture of their skin was slightly scaly. They breathed through their skin, not lungs. The temperature of the planet, the atmosphere, the light and the orbits of the other planets were much different then. The first Lemurians were androgynous - neither male nor female.

It began with the projection of 144 soul groups - representing the projection of 33 million souls. Some of the souls came from the 'Red Planet'. Some of the souls came from the stars - Pleiades and Sirius - and projected into physical form on Earth.

Now, how this relates to Lost? But "I'll Sail Upon a Dog-Star" starts making a kind of sense...

Also, this is one of Tiberius' first clues:

Moses and the Popul Vul

Man has forgotten when the Lost Journey began
As the Wheel of Time turned it moved upon the waters
From the far north of prehistoric cold
Past the Gates of Hercules and young Plato
Year after year consuming the Lost upon the sea
Mystery upon mystery upon mystery
Mystery of the Lost Red People
Mystery of the Lost Village
To the Samoans it was Bolutu
To the Madris it was Hawaiki
As Lost Lemuria goes sailing by
Protected by monsters of land and sea.
Pense a moi et le silence de la mer.

Tiberius

If you go to the site where I found the bit about them coming from Sirius (http://www.crystalinks.com/lemeura.html), you'll see that it is riddled with Tiberius references. I don't know...

"DKTONELIGETTONE" - Hmmm.

The morse code still says: DARKSTONELIGHTSTONE. Guess this could be a reference to Claire's dream where one of Locke's eyes is black and the other one is white. http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=26

The morse code still says: DARKSTONELIGHTSTONE. Guess this could be a reference to Claire's dream where one of Locke's eyes is black and the other one is white. http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=26

Right, and Jack's rocks (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=55&pos=231) from Adam and Eve.

Todell,

just obsessed with your Lemuria stuff.. found this..

Lemurians had pliable, jelly-like bodies and slowly developed physical forms. [Movement from higher to lower frequency - above the physical into solid matter].

The first Lemurian sub races allegedly were apelike, egg-laying hermaphrodites who communicated by mental telepathy through a third eye.

the tib clue you referenced below has always been one of my favorites and I think is one of the more critical ones about the island...

Moses and the Popul Vul

Man has forgotten when the Lost Journey began
As the Wheel of Time turned it moved upon the waters
From the far north of prehistoric cold
Past the Gates of Hercules and young Plato
Year after year consuming the Lost upon the sea
Mystery upon mystery upon mystery
Mystery of the Lost Red People
Mystery of the Lost Village
To the Samoans it was Bolutu
To the Madris it was Hawaiki
As Lost Lemuria goes sailing by
Protected by monsters of land and sea.
Pense a moi et le silence de la mer.

Tiberius

The Lemurian thing is really cool, but I don't know what to make of it. But check this out; in light of all our Dog-Star clues on BS1 and MAN IS A DOG A DOG IS A MAN and all that, here is a cap form Numbers. Look closely at what the blond is holding underneath the cut-out of Texas. (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=32460&fullsize=1)
Is that a dog in a sapcesuit? It also kinda looks like a bunny to me. But I see them everywhere...

2FEN06 has returned. In the barrel of a gun. Morse code reads "WHITELAB," and some music playing, but I can't play it loud enough to determine what it is...
Ideas anyone?

Also, "whitelab?" As in Labrador or laboratory?

Song is "Hot Child in the City"
(http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/hotchildinthecitylyrics.html)

Hot Child In The City
Nick Gilder

Danger in the shape of somethin' wild
Stranger dressed in black, she's a hungry child
No one knows who she is or what her name is
I don't know where she came from or what her game is

(Hot child in the city)
(Hot child in the city)
(Runnin' wild and lookin' pretty)
(Hot child in the city)

So young to be loose and on her own
Young boys, they all want to take her home
She goes downtown, the boys all stop and stare
When she goes downtown, she walks like she just don't care, care

(Hot child in the city)
(Hot child in the city)
(Runnin' wild and lookin' pretty)
Yeah
(Hot child in the city)

Come on down to my place, baby
We'll talk about love
Come on down to my place, woman
We'll make love!

Hot child in the city
(Hot child in the city)
She's kinda dangerous
(Hot child in the city)
Young child
(Runnin' wild and lookin' pretty)
Young child, runnin' wild
(Hot child in the city)
Hot child in the city
(Hot child in the city)
(Hot child in the city)
(Hot child in the city)
Hot child in the city
(Hot child in the city)
Hot child in the city
(Hot child in the city)

I would guess as in Vincent. ETA in answer to Todell's "whitelab"

2FEN06? 2FENO6? Could this be meant to be said phonetically? To Phoenix? Two Phoenix?

Two Feen O Six?

PG-13:

NO6 = "no sex"?

-Mang

Those darned Chipmunks singing again..."Hot Child in the City"

Ooh! It's polar bears on a ship now, and it links to circusmuseum.nl. Wish I'd seen the severed hand. Maybe it was Dr. Candle's.

I'm not too computer savvy. I have the picture of the arm/hand. Where can I post it?

Nevr mind. Thanks, Old Europe.

2FEN06? 2FENO6? Could this be meant to be said phonetically? To Phoenix? Two Phoenix?

Two Feen O Six?

I'm almost sure I saw in another thread that 2FENO6 was the license plate on the car that hit Michael. Maybe there's a screen cap of this over on lost-media?

Tried a search in other threads to find where I read this and couldn't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken......wouldn't want some wrong theories getting started up.

It's changed again. Circus polar bears

code says whitelab

Here is the picture that they feature - it's a link to a circus museum where you can by old posters https://www.memorix.nl/webwinkel/addimage.php?image=ajN7aNRWdO6k8eygZRm4HJ7nbFv9JJ2 GJMXLmWYXLXnv31ILDe%2Bs727E0hLUkuOQ

It is. Notice the Norweigan and Swedish flags. If you click on the image it sends you to a norweigan circus poster site (http://www.circusmuseum.nl/index.php?option=com_memorix&Itemid=26&task=result&searchplugin=category&categorie=Dierendressuur&cp=1).

and if you just go to /image

it loads the song "Safety Dance"...weird.

Whats that site anyway

lxicon found this interesting interview (http://tv.insidepulse.com/articles/44411) with Damon and points out this:
MJ: And finally, how important is the internet to the show and where do you see the show going? Not in terms of storyline, but in terms of internet, audience and theme progression?

DL: We're actually starting to finally do what we wanted to do from the very beginning. I think that now that the show has caught on, especially in the Easter egg construct of it. We have a couple of websites that we run, like Oceanic815 and HansoFoundation. We're also starting a couple more that we're not going to announce and ones that people will hopefully find. That whole idea that you can go on the 'net and continue your interactive experience and find nuggets of information about the island that are not presented on the show or that the show will later payoff, I think is going to be really really cool.

MJ: So basically just keep going with the interactive aspect?

DL: That's the plan stan...

So, who knows? Perhaps BS1 is real after all! (Thanks again lxicon for that article!)

ahh! no wonder noone was posting in http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21605&page=19

heehee. well this is much better (thanks for the link todell)

-lxicon

--edit--

and for those rebelious rabbits out there, here's something to chew on:
http://lxicon.perception.net/lost/rodent.revolution/
* i made the rodent.revolution.decypher.test.script.epl based on the cypher from spynumbers.

have fun!

circusmuseum.nl ist from Netherlands, not Norwegian.

If I got the Dutch text at "Project" right, this website is up since june 2005. I wonder how the rabbits manage to find this nice stuff all over the world (wide web). They must be pretty cool. :smile:

circusmuseum.nl ist from Netherlands, not Norwegian.

If I got the Dutch text at "Project" right, this website is up since june 2005. I wonder how the rabbits manage to find this nice stuff all over the world (wide web). They must be pretty cool. :smile:

probably! The rabbits have a great sense of design, don't they?

Hey! Isn't Hanso Dutch?

Oh, they really do have!

I don't remember if Hanso was confirmed being Dutch (in the orientation film?) or if people just speculated. Hanso sounds to me Scandinavian, and I found this name on Estonian Websites. De Groot is a Dutch name.

From the transcript to the Orientation filmstrip:

Narration: Welcome, I'm Dr. Marvin Candle, and this is the orientation film for Station 3 of the Dharma Initiative. In a moment you'll be given a simple set of instructions for how you and your partner will fulfill the responsibilities associated with the station. But first, a little history.

The Dharma Initiative was created in 1970, and it is the brainchild of Gerald and Karen DeGroot -- two doctoral candidates at the University of Michigan. Following in the footsteps of visionaries such as B.F. Skinner [there is a jump cut/splice here] imagined a large scale communal research compound where scientists and free thinkers from around the globe could pursue research in meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and utopian social [splice] Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso whose financial backing made their dream of a multi-purpose social science research facility a reality.

Interesting that there is a splice right before "Danish" ...

Also interesting that the De Groots were doctoral candidates and may have never completed graduate school.

Over on TWoP, Professor K discovered that "Nordstern" (http://www.circusmuseum.nl/index.php?option=com_memorix&Itemid=26&task=result&searchplugin=category&categorie=Dierendressuur&cp=5) is written on the polar bear boat. (use the magnifying glass...).

Translation: North Star

I'm almost sure I saw in another thread that 2FENO6 was the license plate on the car that hit Michael. Maybe there's a screen cap of this over on lost-media?

Tried a search in other threads to find where I read this and couldn't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken......wouldn't want some wrong theories getting started up.I don't think you ever see the license plate on the car that hit Michael. Angle is never right.

I have been away and not computer equipped for a week or so, and this has gotten to be a very long thread.

Thanks for keeping up with all this, and Todell, thanks for all the insight.

Have to catch back up with all you guys.

Has anyone saved all the pictures, links and codes since this site was discovered?

Has anyone saved all the pictures, links and codes since this site was discovered?

it looks like lxicon has them linked in his signature. He posted two pages ago.

Couple of things:
I'm sure y'all have seen this: http://www.kingcrossstatepolice.com/. There are a number of things you can enter in the user name field, and I think the password is key.

And, I was thinking about the fax document from the GHO that is found on the Hanso site. The document is entitled khr.html, but there's nothing on the document that corresponds to khr. So what does it mean? I posed that question over at TWoP, and sdPalladio came up with this site (http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/at/aethyr_khr.shtml):

Upon entering the 20th Aethyr, KHR, you will encounter some kind of object that looks like a spinning wheel. This wheel is apt to be large, so it will get your attention rather quickly. The word KHR itself means "wheel." The wheel is meant to covey to you the knowledge that life, existence, and the universe is circular in nature not linear. There is no beginning and no end, just an endless turning of perspective.

Everyone who enters KHR will probably see this wheel slightly differently. But, with practice you will be able to see the wheel's two major themes:

* Your evolution and learning in the universe is the journey from the outer part of the wheel toward the center.
* The physical universe is not as it appears and it has no beginning or end.

You may also in time see the physical universe here as a flat disc, with yourself separate from the disc. This too is another truth that you must learn: that you are independent of the very universe you are so intimately connected with. There are other lessons here to learn, so when you find yourself here, just gaze at the wheel and in a few moments the wheel will fall away and the lesson will begin. This Aethyr is a lot of fun once you let go of the fact that what you perceive is not always as it seems.


which, for those of you familiar with some of Tiberius' earlier clues, seems relevant. Here a just a few of his "wheel" clues for those who are interested.

For eons the Wheel has been in motion.

Myths, legends, and prophesy.

The Time

The Place

The Choice

Tiberius

Intervention as a Race

The Wheel of Time turns
Each Dawn marks the Count
Conflict among Nations
Nations are at War
War drives the Necessity
Necessity drives the Inventions
Inventions refine the Singularity
Choice before the Singularity
That will break the Cycle
Poor is the Choice
That Man Remembers
As his skin begins
To Burn

Tiberius

Empires Rise and Fall

But a Choice must be made at each spoke of the Wheel
A King of Black, a King of White
Woundwart or the Law of Fives
The Oldest War Continues
Aaron the First Priest if the Choice is correct.
The Rudder for the hopeful continuation.
All have a quest, their mission in Life
Protect or Heal Or Punish or Preach.
But what if you failed
and your Faith is LOST.

The humble witness

Tiberius

Just trying to piece it altogether: perhaps whatever it is that Hanso is working on is an attempt to further humans evolution (long life, resistence to illness, ???) and they see the outbreak of the illness as a cost of this greater good? Or perhaps what the GHO thinks is happening in the Zanzibar station is not what it seems?

I don't know. I thought I'd throw it in here, though, because I wasn't sure where else to deal with it...

Also? It just occured to me that the last line from that wheel website: "This Aethyr is a lot of fun once you let go of the fact that what you perceive is not always as it seems," eerily echoes what is on the oceanicairlines.com website in the invisble text.

hmm http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/at/aethyr_khr.shtml seems a bit "out there". the page before that, that links there is http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/at/aethyrtech.shtml and the link is under "ANGELIC GOVERNORS" :
"Aethyr 1st Governor 2nd Governor 3rd Governor 4th Governor
...
KHR (http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/at/aethyr_khr.shtml) ZILDRAON PARDZIBA TOTOKAN none
..."

this is LOST right not "Left Behind" ? -heehee

-lxicon

his is LOST right not "Left Behind" ? -heehee

I agree: it's very New Age-y. But I think it's based more on Eastern religious principles, rather than Christian ideas, despite the use of "Angelic Governors." It seems to be some sort of guide to spiritual evolution. With the Dharma project, and their use of the I-Ching, etc., it struck me as interesting, if not particularly relevant. However, you never know. And the entire notion of things not being what they seem, that reality is an illusion is both a guiding principle in Buddhism, and, it would seem, on the island.

good point.

it may pan out, but it could just be an unrelated page that uses KHR. i AM curious as to what the KHR on the hanso site means. the other page names all are short forms for the projects.

Couple of things:
I'm sure y'all have seen this: http://www.kingcrossstatepolice.com/. There are a number of things you can enter in the user name field, and I think the password is key.

can't seem to get past the access page. But when you hit 'forgot password' you get sent to this page...
http://www.kingcrossstatepolice.com/index_error.html

i decided to give that tel# a ring (free long distance at the office sure comes in handy), and its some guy yelling
' goodwin, goodwin killed the chicken!'
kinda funny:undecide:
but I can't say I went as far as leaving a message after the beep.
Anyone have any luck logging into that site??

can't seem to get past the access page. But when you hit 'forgot password' you get sent to this page...
http://www.kingcrossstatepolice.com/index_error.html

i decided to give that tel# a ring (free long distance at the office sure comes in handy), and its some guy yelling
' goodwin, goodwin killed the chicken!'
kinda funny:undecide:
but I can't say I went as far as leaving a message after the beep.
Anyone have any luck logging into that site??

If you go to that error page, there's a spot where you can click to get something: c:\a_cortez\flyers\active.doc.....
Also, it seems the password that I gave you earlier doesn't work anymore...Hmmm....

Also: lxicon, I didn't mean to suggest that the site with KHR information was related to Lost, just that the idea of the universal "wheel" and that things are not what they seem is (maybe) relevant. I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Hi, Captain Kidd! Glad to see you back!

:turkey: :turkey: :turkey: :turkey:

btw, Todell, that being my first post under this topic, it was pretty rude of me not to mention how frickin great this whole thread is, much of the kudos goes out to you. As well, I would like to shout out a 'hey hey' to everyone else who has contributed to this insane and yet intriguing discussion.

Also, there are a couple more spots to click on that error page.....
SCANNER AUDIO
map

thanks for pointing me in that direction :cool:

The second title of the restricted king cross state police site is "Culpam Poena Premit Comes"

It's a quote by Horace (Punishment follows close on crime).

I'm too tired now for searching after more details. Good luck and good night (after midnight here)!


Maybe tiberius once mentioned it?

It translates to "'Punishment follows close on guilt"

And welcome to the fuselage, johnnywishbone! Thanks for the kind words!

ETA: Duh--you already translated it, OE. Hopefully you're asleep and didn't see that...

Hopefully you're asleep and didn't see that...

:biggrin:

:sleep:

morse code change at BS1.....
"YOUARETHEMAGNETANDIAMSTEEL"

its been that before, right?

I think the magnet and steel reference was around October 11th or 12th. You can see an index here: http://lxicon.perception.net/lost/ You can also go back in this thread to those dates and see what all showed up with it. There have been so many I have them confused.

a few changes tonight.. i don't have time to cross post so check it out starting at the anchor on this link:

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?p=653345#post653345

* new change as i'm typing... gotta go.

have fun!
-lxicon

The new morse code translates to "THREE LITTLE CHILDREN LAY IN IN THE BED TWO WERE SICK AND THE OTHER MOST DEAD SENT FOR THE DOCTOR THE DOCTOR SAID FEED THOSE CHILDREN ON SHORTNIN BREAD"

Spooky.

The image of four syrignes links to something in Greek...anyone?

ETA: Archaeologist on TWoP translates it to: "Kappa Alpha Theta Alpha Rho Sigma Zeta that translates roughly to Katharsz or...
Catharsis: A release of emotional tension, as after an overwhelming experience, that restores or refreshes the spirit."

marvincandle.com

So, TWoP posted this one, and it is really interesting. In the middle of those numbers, find 108 and click on it. It will give you this invisble text:







I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss

It was a dark and stormy night. The rabbits remained motionless.
bad loss
The skies roared with thunder and the earth heaved, then came darkness and a stillness like death. Death flooded from the skies.
bad loss
His seed shall inherit the earth. Fret not thyself because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. The meek shall inherit the earth. Their inheritance shall be for ever.
bad loss
What about the friends little children had lost?


miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama

Rabbits! I love it!

And there's a bit of flash that johnnyd80 was able to pick out the following:

Hanso, Boone, Shannon, and Locke, as well as spell, crisis, know, social, box, dead, back, trap and life.


And once you've accessed this page, you can go back up to the numbers (and characters) above. Many of them give you access to other pages. I won't post them here just yet in case y'all want to have fun finding them for yourselves...

That's cool, thanks!

Fun finding the others -- thanks for not spoiling it.

Now if you click on the syringes you get baby names - Katharos -- how original

todell, ,, pretty cool stuff...

especially liked the stuff on the experiment...

marvincandle.com

So, TWoP posted this one, and it is really interesting. In the middle of those numbers, find 108 and click on it. It will give you this invisble text:







I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss

It was a dark and stormy night. The rabbits remained motionless.
bad loss
The skies roared with thunder and the earth heaved, then came darkness and a stillness like death. Death flooded from the skies.
bad loss
His seed shall inherit the earth. Fret not thyself because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. The meek shall inherit the earth. Their inheritance shall be for ever.
bad loss
What about the friends little children had lost?


miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama

Rabbits! I love it!

And there's a bit of flash that johnnyd80 was able to pick out the following:

Hanso, Boone, Shannon, and Locke, as well as spell, crisis, know, social, box, dead, back, trap and life.


And once you've accessed this page, you can go back up to the numbers (and characters) above. Many of them give you access to other pages. I won't post them here just yet in case y'all want to have fun finding them for yourselves...

When I clicked on 108 I got different text (it's written backwards). Did you notice that the name at the top, Lars Navaho, is an anagram for Alvar Hanso?

So creepy. Here's more from marvincandle.com site:




I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss

It was a dark and stormy night. The rabbits remained motionless.
bad loss
The skies roared with thunder and the earth heaved, then came darkness and a stillness like death. Death flooded from the skies.
bad loss
His seed shall inherit the earth. Fret not thyself because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. The meek shall inherit the earth. Their inheritance shall be for ever.
bad loss
What about the friends little children had lost?

The tsom interesting gniht here t'nsi even eht carrot-munching tibbar in eht cage, tub the rebmun on its kcab. Not a six, ton a ruof, not evif-tniop-neetenin. It's na eight. Siht is tahw we're gnikool at, dna we lla see ti. I t'ndid tell uoy. You t'ndid ask em. I reven opened ym mouth dna you reven opened sruoy. We're ton even ni the emas year rehtegot, let enola the emas room . . . tpecxe we era together. Er'ew close. Er'ew having a meeting fo the dnim. GET KNIVES!
miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama

Delling called is he ~ Who the Day's father is ~ But Night was of Norve born ~ The new and waning moons ~ The beneficent powers created ~ To count years for men ~

The most interesting thing here isn't even the carrot-munching rabbit in the cage, but the number on it's back. Not a six, not a four, not five-point-nineteen. It's an eight. This is what we're looking at, and we all see it. I didn't tell you. You didn't ask me. I never opened my mouth and you never opened yours. We're not even in the same year together, let alone in the same room...except we are together. We're close. We're having a meeting of the mind. GET KNIVES!

Blah blah blah

Alright. So more theory from me.

I am pleased to see that the rabbit thing is at least as interesting to someone else as it is to me. If this is a fan site, then bravo! If it's real, then I'm onto something, but what?

The rabbits equal test subjects. I think these are the barefoot/hoodied others that come into the camps to abduct the survivors. Goodwin said they were taking the "good" ones. I've speculated that the survivors are rabbits, but perhaps not all of them. Perhaps the Others are taking the survivors who are rabbits? Or perhaps all the survivors are rabbits, and the Others are only taking the rabbits who are successful projects in some sense?

And what does it mean they see an eight? Is the eight a chosen one? Are the Others looking for a particular rabbit? And what will happen when they find him/her?

I've been noticing that besides the children that have been taken by the others, that there are a number of child issues for the survivors. It's just a hunch, and it's crazy, but could Hanso have been actively working to take away all the children of the survivors at any cost? Could they have set up Ana-Lucia's shooting, to deliberately miscarry her child? Could they have paid Thomas off so he would leave Claire, forcing her to give her child up for adoption? Could they be behind Susan's demands that Michael give up parental rights to Walt? Is that why Danielle went on a potentially dangerous scientific expedition while laregly pregnant--because her unborn child had been threatened at home, and she felt being on a boat in the middle of the Pacific was the only safe place to be?

I think one of the children is prophecized to be a messiah. Somehow the eight (which is also the symbol for infinity) has something to do with this.

And! Perhaps this needs it's own post, but I think there's something going on with time/space. I'll have to post this later. I'm feeling muddled.

Thoughts anyone?

He Todell, found this while I was trying to peel myself away from here: http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/historical/SongandLegendFromtheMiddleAges/chap6.html

It's basically the last line on the site - you posted above.

From the third poem in the Elder Edda came the following lines, describing the day and the night:

Delling called is he
Who the Day's father is,
But Night was of Norve born;
The new and waning moons
The beneficent powers created
To count years for men.


The stuff before it about the the skies roared with thunder is from this: http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM

Also, there is Psalms 37 verse there too.

Well, that's it for me. I'm off to read some fan fic. Night. :)

Thanks for the find Todell. Today is the first time I visited marvincandle.com.....WOW. :o There are too many links on that page leading to tons of fun readings and audio files. Not sure if the first page changed since your post todell, but here is what is says as of now....

.etsamaN .ereh ytilicaf eht fo peekpu eht no setadpu tnatropmi tsop yam I.evitaitinI amrahD ehT fo doog retaerg eht rof selur eht wollof tsum uoY .llew gniog si ytilicaf hcraeser eht ta yats ruoy epoh I .TENAPRA hguorht em dnuof dna "nawS ehT" rof mlif noitatneiro eht dehctaw ev'uoy emussa I siht dnuof ev'uoy ecniS .eldnaC nivraM .rD m'I ,emocleW

translated....
Welcome, I'm Dr. Marvin Candle. Since you've found this I assume you've watched the orientation film for "The Swan" and found me through ARPANET. I hope your stay at the research facility is going well. You must follow the rules for the greater good of the Dharma Initiative. I may post important updates on the opkeep of the facility here. Namaste.

Since I'm a bit of a dumbass, I haven't quite mastered the morse code converter I d/l from the net, but I did get some text that makes some sort of sense from the audio files you can find on that page.
Anyone else get any sensible (relatively speaking of course) material from the morse codes?
Any can anyone make any sense of those pictures?? :cnfused1:

Crazy crazy site...someone put in alot of time to that one.

Anyone else get any sensible (relatively speaking of course) material from the morse codes?
Any can anyone make any sense of those pictures?? :cnfused1:

Crazy crazy site...someone put in alot of time to that one.

He Todell, found this while I was trying to peel myself away from here: http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/historical/SongandLegendFromtheMiddleAges/chap6.html

It's basically the last line on the site - you posted above.

From the third poem in the Elder Edda came the following lines, describing the day and the night:

Delling called is he
Who the Day's father is,
But Night was of Norve born;
The new and waning moons
The beneficent powers created
To count years for men.


The stuff before it about the the skies roared with thunder is from this: http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/GILG.HTM

Also, there is Psalms 37 verse there too.

Well, that's it for me. I'm off to read some fan fic. Night. :)


car88win: that's awesome!

johnny: I agree--someone really took care with this site. And I find it very similar to BS1 in the way that the clues are weird and vague. I find some of the other sites out there so straightforward, and I suppose it's the masochist in me that prefers to believe the creators would be more obtuse on their sites...

Anyway: is it cool to start talking about the items found there? Has everyone had a chance to investigate and play on their own? 'Cause I'm ready to discuss! here's a list, that johnnyd80 compiled over at TWoP, that I've updated:

The second 8 takes you to a graphic of an algebraic equation.

The 7 in 17 takes you to a graphic of a skull and crossbones.

The semicolon after #913 takes you to a sound file of a throbbing sound, electromagnetic?

108 now takes you to a graphic of runes. The image you get on marvincandle.com when you click on 108 (the second time) is one of runes: here are the translations through this handy website (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Runehome.htm)


Nauthiz or Need (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Nauthiz.htm)

Ansuz or Communication (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Ansuz.htm)

Raido or Journey (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Raido.htm)

Uruz or Strength (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Uruz.htm)

Isa or Ice (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Isa.htm)


Cen-c or Torch (http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/deercreek/248/divination/alphabet_a2d.html)

Someone else saw the word Narvik spelled out via the runes, and I think that's an interesting interpretation, but I don't really see it. Of course, my interpretation doesn't make much sense, soooo...

The comma after 5D takes you to oceanicflight815.com

The comma after 9A takes you to a sound file of -.. .. . which spells die. (The Redeemer on TWoP found this)

The second space after 6R takes you to a map of Norway? Flipped upside down?

The comma after 2A takes you to ABC's Lost site.

The 3 in 73 takes you to a graphic of a rope chain? They almost look like rosary beads...

The comma after 74 takes you to cryonet.org

The # in #110 leads to a chart. Is it a morse code chart that corresponds to the runes?

The second 1 in #110 leads to another skull and crossbones, slightly altered.

The second 1 in #114 leads to http://www.fly-oceanic.com/seatingchart.htm
(http://www.fly-oceanic.com/seatingchart.htm)
The semicolon after #115 takes you to this site:

Objectives of the Ørsted Mission (http://web.dmi.dk/fsweb/projects/oersted/mission/objectives.html)

The semicolon after #116 leads you to http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cryopreservation

The 3 in #32 leads you to the ABC site again. So does the semicolon after #77.

The # in #104 takes you to a graphic. Is it a stuffed animal? Desmond's bunny perhaps?

The # in #103 takes you to Swedish Space Corporation
(http://www.esrange.com/default.asp?groupid=2004518134827211)
The x in x72 takes you to The Life-Extension Manual (http://www.futurescience.com/contents.html)

The comma after 131 takes you to the Hanso "Joop" letter. (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html)

The 3 in 39 takes you to The Life-Extension Society (http://keithlynch.net/les/)

The comma after 16 takes you to a graphic of Australia and the South Pacific.

The comma after 4E takes you to answer.com's entry on the Stanford prison experiment (http://www.answers.com/topic/stanford-prison-experiment).

The comma after 61 takes you to yet another blurry graphic, The Redeemer on TWoP deciphered it as "Don't Think of a ____ Fear"

The 6 in 6F takes you to an SOS sound file.

The comma after 74 takes you back to the Alcor cryonics site. (http://www.alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm)

The comma after 73 takes you to a upside-down graphic of an inventor. (Where have I seen that before? Recently?)

The f takes you to the bio of Nobel Prize winner Hannes Alfvén (http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1970/alfven-bio.html).

The comma after the 9 takes you to the word Brandon.

The 1 takes you to the European Lottery site, The National Lottery (http://www.lotto.ie/)

The comma after the second 12 takes you to another SOS sound file, altered. Is this SOS?

Also, the line: miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama at the bottom of the page? Miyya means One hundred in Arabic, Thamanya is a location in Burma, a Buddhist temple in Burma(?) Anyone? egry -- can't figure this one out, besorra means faster in Arabic and ma'assalama means good luck. I think. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

SO. Thoughts?

I believe the # in #110 is a Chromosomal display, split in half with different runes listed above it, there is an example of how chromosomes can be displayed here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome) In the marvincandle.com image there are 46 separate images (23 pairs of chromosomes) I also think that it may be the object in the 3 of 73 as well.

Of course I could be totally off on that.

car88win...
This is an excerpt from the link you found with this phrase
the skies roared with thunder
-----
...she offers to show him Gilgamesh, the only man worthy of Enkidu's friendship.

Gilgamesh meanwhile has two dreams; in the first a meteorite falls to earth which is so great that Gilgamesh can neither lift it nor turn it. The people gather and celebrate around the meteorite, and Gilgamesh embraces it as he would a wife, but his mother, the goddess Rimat-Ninsun, forces him to compete with the meteorite. In the second, Gilgamesh dreams that an axe appears at his door, so great that he can neither lift it nor turn it. The people gather and celebrate around the axe, and Gilgamesh embraces it as he would a wife, but his mother, again, forces him to compete with the axe. Gilgamesh asks his mother what these dreams might mean; she tells him a man of great force and strength will come into Uruk. Gilgamesh will embrace this man as he would a wife, and this man will help Gilgamesh perform great deeds.
-----
Remember Hurley's Mr. Clucks meteorite story, and the "GILGAMESH" clue from the crossword puzzle in "Collision"...

-----
Todell:

Nauthiz or Need

Ansuz or Communication (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Ansuz.htm)

Raido or Journey (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Raido.htm)

Uruz or Strength (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Uruz.htm)

Isa or Ice (http://www.mystic-mouse.co.uk/Runes/Isa.htm)


Cen-c or Torch (http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/deercreek/248/divination/alphabet_a2d.html)

Someone else saw the word Narvik spelled out via the runes, and I think that's an interesting interpretation, but I don't really see it.

It spells "NARVIK" because each represents a letter of the alphabet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narvik a town in Norway, 200km inside the Arctic Circle

Narvik is one of the most northerly towns in the world
was strategically valuable in WWII
iron ore had to be transported through there in the winter
gateway to ore fields of Sweden

I wonder if Hanso dealt arms there?

TR: Narvik is the town where the building that Hanso is standing in is in the Orientation video. Thanks for explaining the use of the runes (duh!)

Alright: for those of you who read the Tiberius thread, this may be old news, but cmcd's post above made me remember that in gene therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy), viruses are used as vectors to manipulate the genes:

With gene therapy, scientists splice cells with the patient's body with corrected genes, and then place them on viruses as vectors/carriers that they then put back into the patient's body. The viruses carry the "fixed" gene back to the cells. They replace the sick gene with the good gene.


The ex vivo approach was the first to be put in to practice. In 1990 trials were run designed to treat children with an inherited immune deficiency, as well as children or adults with high serum cholesterol. Cells were removed from the patients body and incubated with vectors that inserted copies of the genes. Most gene-therapy vectors are viruses, although there are techniques for delivering DNA directly as well. After modification, the cells are transplanted back in to the patient where they will hopefully replicate and produce functional descendants for the life of the transplanted individual.

This technique is best used for diseases where the desired cells can be extracted easily, such as the blood or liver.

When familiar viruses are detected in the bloodstream the body sends antibodies to bind to and consume them. In retroviral and other recombination-based approaches, a second problem arises in the unpredictability of where the new DNA inserts into the chromosomes of transfected cells. If the gene is inserted in a bad place — for example within the sequence of an important gene, or within non-coding (intron) regions that the cell will never translate to produce protein — then the new gene would not be properly expressed and the cell could be made worse or even cancerous.

Viruses attack their hosts to insert their genetic material into the genetic material of the host. This genetic material contains instructions to produce these viruses. The host cell will carry out these instructions and produce the viruses. This is how viruses spread, in general.

In addition to the instructions producing the components of the virus itself, viruses can carry additional genes containing instructions for creating other kinds of proteins. In theory, if we insert a gene that is missing from a patient in a virus, and infect that patient with the virus, the virus will spread the missing gene in all the cells of the patient. The missing gene is now replaced and the disease is cured. This technique is called gene therapy.

Three types of viruses are currently used as vectors in gene therapy: retroviruses, adenoviruses and adeno-associated viruses. They differ in their mechanisms of action and results.


The genetic material in retroviruses is in the form of RNA molecules, while the genetic material of their hosts is in the form of DNA. When a retrovirus infects a host cell, it will introduce its RNA together with some enzymes into the cell. This RNA molecule from the retrovirus must produce a DNA copy from its RNA molecule before it can be considered part of the genetic material of the host cell. The process of producing a DNA copy from an RNA molecule is termed reverse transcription. It is carried out by one of the enzymes carried in the virus, called reverse transcriptase. After this DNA copy is produced and is free in the nucleus of the host cell, it must be incorporated into the genome of the host cell. That is, it must be inserted into the large DNA molecules in the cell, or the chromosomes of the cell. This process is done by another enzyme carried in the virus called integrase.

Now that the genetic material of the virus is incorporated and has become part of the genetic material of the host cell, we can say that the host cell is now modified to contain a new gene. When this host cell divides later, its descendants will all contain the new genes.

One of the problems of gene therapy using retroviruses is that the integrase enzyme can insert the genetic material of the virus in any arbitrary position in the genome of the host. If genetic material happens to be inserted in the middle of one of the original genes of the host cell, this gene will be disrupted. If the gene happens to be one regulating cell division, uncontrolled cell division (i.e., cancer) can occur.

Gene therapy trials to treat severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) were halted or restricted when leukemia was reported in several of the patients.

The Hanso Foundation's site with the fax about the outbreak of Meningococcal meningitis? Viruses are the most common cause of meningitis. Could Dharma have been doing experiments with gene therapy using a meningitis virus as a vector, and it escaped? Causing the sickeness?

The classical symptoms of meningitis are headache, neck stiffness and photophobia (the trio are called "meningism"). Fever and chills are often present, along with myalgia. An altered state of consciousness or other neurological deficits may be present depending on the severity of the disease. In meningococcal meningitis or septicaemia, a petechial rash may appear. A lumbar puncture to obtain cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) is usually indicated to determine the cause and direct appropriate treatment.

Convulsions are a known complication of meningitis and are treated with appropriate anti-seizure drugs such as phenytoin.

There's so much here: cancer as a result of gene therapy gone wrong, the fact that if gene therapy is successful, it is passed onto successive generations...

Could it be that the survivors/rabbits are the subjects of gene therapy, through their parents? They would inherit the manipulation of the gene, and pass it on to their descendents...and so on and so on...

Could it be that the survivors/rabbits are the subjects of gene therapy, through their parents? They would inherit the manipulation of the gene, and pass it on to their descendents...and so on and so on...
And so this would tie in with your spec that someone is trying to prevent it from passing down further, thus they are capturing our Losties and their progeny? Because something has gone wrong with replication?

There's a few symptoms in your post that might apply to people on the Island...

Bacterial meningitis

http://www.astdhpphe.org/infect/Bacmeningitis.html
How common is bacterial meningitis?

In the United States, bacterial meningitis is relatively rare and usually occurs in isolated cases. Clusters of more than a few cases are uncommon.

In parts of Africa, widespread epidemics of meningococcal meningitis occur regularly. In 1996, the biggest wave of meningococcal meningitis outbreaks ever recorded hit West Africa. An estimated 250,000 cases and 25,000 deaths in Niger, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, and other countries paralyzed medical care systems and exhausted vaccine supplies.

(So we have Nigeria and 8 years before the plane crash.)

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/926914524.html

And so this would tie in with your spec that someone is trying to prevent it from passing down further, thus they are capturing our Losties and their progeny? Because something has gone wrong with replication?

There's a few symptoms in your post that might apply to people on the Island...

That would still play into the "they're taking them because they're related" theory. It could work. I had so much fun digging that stuff up the other day. Love bringing more fuel to a discussion! Need to kind of organize the thoughts though don't you think Todell?

todell,,,

this probably isnt an endorsed site, but nonetheless fascinating stuff..

i loved the link on the stanford prison experiment... i think it parallels LOST in a very important way...

what would good people do if locked into an EVIL environment... would they choose EVIL.. or would they battle EVIL?

todell,,,

this probably isnt an endorsed site, but nonetheless fascinating stuff..

i loved the link on the stanford prison experiment... i think it parallels LOST in a very important way...

what would good people do if locked into an EVIL environment... would they choose EVIL.. or would they battle EVIL?

Simplist, it was only after reading the Stanford experiment link that I called Todell and asked "is this for real?" I mean it was beyond my comprehension. But I think the point of it is to show that there were crazy experiments that did happen and that could justify the Dharma/Hanson initiatives.

So creepy. I mean it was an experiment, how could they let it get so out of hand?

I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss

First Word = Electrocution
Second Word = Indestructible

from spackidagoosh (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=633042&postcount=8) on the Marvin Candle thread...

From the Marvin Candle website.

http://195.3566308/q%75%61%63%6b%6d%63%64%75%63%6b/abc/x2/monddes.jpg

Image description via image editor reads

What did one bunny do to the other bunny?

Attention all rabbits...Attention all rabbits....

If you send a message to larsnavaho@marvincandle.com, you will receive an auto-reply.

But then, later, you'll receive a message from stealthmessage.com from Lars.

I'll let you try it for yourselves, but I've received two messages so far from Lars. I'll share them if you're interested...

whats up with LARS these days?

Well, I emailed him with the question above: "What did one bunny do to the other bunny?" and in the text I answered it: "trap him in the warren and demand that he push a button every 108 minutes?"

I received the auto-reply: Just don't think of a white bear.
LARs naVAho

And then about two hours later he sent me a message on stealthmessage.com that read:

Let's just say that your thought somewhat resembles certain principles of the Skinner box.

Regards,
Lars Navaho

So I sent him a new message:

Dr. Skinner certainly did have interesting ideas about utopian communities. I suppose if you could condition (and control) a large enough group of individuals' behavior, a utopian society would be possible. But you would have to condition them first. A Skinner Box would come in handy.

I have a question for you: did the project go wrong, or is everything going exactly according to the plan?

Respectfully,

And then immediately, he responded through stealthmessage:

Let's just say it took us all by surprise. We made a number of alterations to the original plan.

Oh, there's the signal again. Gotta run!!!!

Interesting, no?

Verrrrrrrry interesting.....

Why don't you email him back and ask him what took them by surprise?
And what alterations did they make to the original plan?

ask him if marvin still works for Hanso?

The skies roared with thunder and the earth heaved, then came darkness and a stillness like death. Death flooded from the skies. That’s a condensed passage from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
His seed shall inherit the earth. Fret not thyself because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. The meek shall inherit the earth. Their inheritance shall be for ever. A variation of Psalm 37
What about the friends little children had lost? I have no idea where this is from. Anyone have any ideas?
It was a dark and story night… This phrase is a running joke amongst writers. There’s even a very entertaining writing contest named after this old chestnut.

There are some non PG-13 entries at this link,
http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/
If you want some entertaining reading click on the 2005 Winner link.

But basically, any writer worth his salt would not begin any passage with “It was a dark and story night…” unless he intended as a joke. Charles Schultz even had his character Snoopy use this phrase when he was an aspiring writer.

Don't get me wrong, I like the marvincandle site. The Stanford prison experiment was a nice touch. It's fun working through the site's links.

BTW, 500+ post for Rebellious Rabbits. Congrats Todell and all!

What about the friends little children had lost?
It's from Turn of the Screw.

Thanks TabbyRasa! That quote was driving me nuts.

Not that I can bring up a single web site on the Google page...weird...

It's something about 'whatever might survive, in memory of the friends little children
had lost'...

Hopefully that slammed on the brakes and you're not nuts.

hey folks, if there's anyone out there at the moment (don't see any of your "green lights" but hoping...), would you try to open the marvincandle.com site please, and tell me if you are able? i've been trying all day with no luck. keep getting the standard error message "Internet Explorer was unable to link to the Web page you requested. The page might be temporarily unavailable."


thanks!

You're right, beagle1962. I can't access the site with Explorer either. But I use Opera as my primary browser and it pulls up the site everything.

Attention all rabbits...Attention all rabbits....

If you send a message to larsnavaho@marvincandle.com, you will receive an auto-reply.

But then, later, you'll receive a message from stealthmessage.com from Lars.

I'll let you try it for yourselves, but I've received two messages so far from Lars. I'll share them if you're interested...


Todell: That is so way cool! Thanks for sharing.

beagle...try putting the "www." as the prefix...
http://www.marvincandle.com/

thanks tabby, but i did. pardon my ignorance, donger, but is oprah a browser??????

i also have never been able to load the orientation film on the hanso site--get to 4 bars and it just lingers there. i have the latest flash on dsl, any ideas?

grrrrrrrr.........

Hey beagle,
Here is where I got Opera. It's an internet broswer. http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tag=srch&nid=1&qt=opera&tg=dl-20&search.x=0&search.y=0

You guys can also see the video over at lostdesmond.com

marvincandle.com has changed: the invisible text now reads:

Förlorad tid, förlorad själ, förlorad kontroll. Barnen besitter nyckeln till evigt liv. I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss


The tsom interesting gniht here t'nsi even eht carrot-munching tibbar in eht cage, tub the rebmun on its kcab. Not a six, ton a ruof, not evif-tniop-neetenin. It's na eight. Siht is tahw we're gnikool at, dna we lla see ti. I t'ndid tell uoy. You t'ndid ask em. I reven opened ym mouth dna you reven opened sruoy. We're ton even ni the emas year rehtegot, let enola the emas room . . . tpecxe we era together. Er'ew close. Er'ew having a meeting fo the dnim.
miyya iteration thamanya iteration egry iteration besoraa iteration ma'assalama

The new and waning moons ~ The beneficent powers created ~ To count years for men ~ KISS OF DEATH IS IMMINENT ~

The first line translates from Dutch: "Lost term, lost soul, lost control. Childrens possess key to eternally life."

wild crazy stuff, really wacky

Very strange. Haven't we heard something like this before?

Let me search.

after my initial response from "lars" (Just don't think of a white bear. LARs naVAho) i got an email from lars last night (through stealthmessage). it starts:
"Time is crucial. The kiss of death is imminent. The key to successful life extension can be found in the young ones."
then it goes into, what i presume to be, norwegian, which reads:
"Der er intet uden dØd. UdØdelighed er ikke kun for én selv. UdØdelighed er også for ens nære. End egen dØd er det mest irellevante af alt. Vi har en vis kontrol over levetiden. Vi kan selv ændre odds for at få et længere liv. Let et evigt liv.
Lars Navaho"
the best translation i have gotten is:
"There is naught uden (except, without?) dead. Immortality aren't barely for one herself. Immortality am also for alike nære (cherish, feed, foster, nourish?). End own dead is it mainly irrelevant af (by, from, off?) all. We have a show control above lifetime. We able herself ændre (alter, amend, change, modify, turn?) odds for that a few a længere (length?) life. Let a (on?) eternal life.
Lars Navaho

donger, i laughed my arse off when i saw you wrote "opera" not "oprah". i was thinking you were the crazy one when, i see now i was obviously looking at what you wrote with my glass eye! i've downloaded opera and am able to access the site. thanks.

tabby, thanks for the link. i was able to see the film without a hitch. suppose i could have just rewatched it on dvd, but i wanted to see what everyone else was seeing online.

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]after my initial response from "lars" (Just don't think of a white bear. LARs naVAho) i got an email from lars last night (through stealthmessage). it starts:
"Time is crucial. The kiss of death is imminent. The key to successful life extension can be found in the young ones."


that really ties in with where the show seems to be heading (to me anyway).
the kids missing, the gilgamesh clue, the life extension project.

Hey Beagle! Someone on TWoP received the same message in Danish, and Galaren over there translated it to:

There's no life without death. Immortality is not just for one self immortality is also for your closest. Ones own death is the most irrelevant of all. We have a certain control over the the length of life. We can change the odds for a chance of a longer life.
Live an eternal life.

Hey Beagle! Someone on TWoP received the same message in Danish, and Galaren over there translated it to:
thanks, todell. just assumed norwegian because of narvik. makes more sense, doesn't it?

thanks, todell. just assumed norwegian because of narvik. makes more sense, doesn't it?
Yeah--Hanso is supposed to be a Danish, so what was he doing in Narvik? Javi alludes to that question in his response to passenger 23's question here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=27106&highlight=Narvik).
the man in the window is indeed alvar hanso - what he was doing in narvik, at that window, remains shrouded in mystery. alvar hanso is an extremely mysterious and reclusive man who protects his privacy jealously...

thanks for ther question!

ja
vi

marvin's site has changed again:

It seems that they have added the Dutch message that Lars sent to beagle:

Der er intet liv uden død. Udødelighed er ikke kun for en selv. Udødelighed er også for ens nære. Ens egen død er det mest irellevante af alt. Vi har en vis kontrol over levetiden. Vi kan selv ændre odds for at få et længere liv. Lev et evigt liv.

ACK!!! Go to http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html and click on our buddy Alvar.

Hmmm.... Can anyone figure out what the text is to the right of the pic when you hold the mouse over it?

So I emailed Lars once again, and the email was entitled Why Brandon?
Where has he gone?
Where are the keys?
What do they open?
(I sent this mostly because of the Brandon reference on marvincandle.com)

His response?

Can of worms. Can of worms.

Hmmm.... Can anyone figure out what the text is to the right of the pic when you hold the mouse over it?

It looks to me like its the letter from the GHO that comes up after you click on the picture.

I thought that's what it might be. I just wanted to make it bigger so I could confirm it.

It looks to me like its the letter from the GHO that comes up after you click on the picture.
Same old Alvar, trying to buy his way out of trouble again!

It looks to me like its the letter from the GHO that comes up after you click on the picture.

....except that the paragraphs are of different lengths...

letter from GHO
paragraph 1: 3 lines
p2: 5
p3: 5
p4: 4
p5: 4

letter in Hanso photo
p1: 4
p2: 3
p3: 6
p4: 2
p5: 4

there also doesn't appear to be the "classified" stamp across the body. headers and footers look the same.

ask him if marvin still works for Hanso?

Hey--Simplist! Someone over on TWoP asked him what happened to Marvin, and this is his response:

Marvin just disappeared one day. Something must have happened to him. Dharma is unstoppable. It's a force.

It's a force...Dharma is no longer a "project" but an entity, a force...

BS1 is back! (I was worried it wasn't getting any love...)

"LETSCATCHFISHALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY"

Gas Mask

You are the Magnet; song it sounds layered...

Wow. I'm really impressed. I've been visiting the official Lost message board on ABC.com from the start of the 1st season, but for some reason have never been on the fuselage before.

I think this theory has a lot of really solid stuff.

One thing, I think the sickness is part of the life extension project.

Yeah--Hanso is supposed to be a Danish, so what was he doing in Narvik? Javi alludes to that question in his response to passenger 23's question here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=27106&highlight=Narvik).

marvin's site has changed again:

It seems that they have added the Dutch message that Lars sent to beagle:You know who else likes their privacy, Anthony Cooper.

Well, thanks nate0r0! It very well could be, especially in light of the Zanzibar memo being found on the Life Extension link on the Hanso site.

Hey, have I just missed this in the past, or have the images on BS1 always had curious names? I found this in the page source info for the gas mask image: "thepureawait." lxicon: this seems like something you might know...

nate...you are gonna love the 'Lage.

lxicon: that is SO cool! WoW! I am totally impressed!

BS1 has changed again. A white toy soldier and a black toy soldier. Morse code: LETSCATCHFISHALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY. But no music. I think it's supposed to link back to the same ipod site, but it doesn't appear to be working.

And if you look closely on BS1, you can see a tiny bit of morse code at the bottom of the image: "DARKSTONELIGHTSTONE"

Over on TWoP, Max Criden suggests that turning the image B&W reveals an image of perhaps a constellation...

Marvin Candle has changed again. Lars' entry has been reversed (and where did his name go?) The entry number has now changed to ; after #x72The invisible text now reads:



> *%*4836dab05beb6bbf5f3 98bcd1c374f02700e7b139244514e8f7ebd6 906c52f8840c2cf99 ca82e3c75aa68e52fdefcb0ae50 86958e177b4b48c12318c5ba1eb78fbb0b1b9 c1d3a1ceaef8b9e17b87323804d868252d51624fda339d47a9 355972b2b 1bf73e086fee7e33ac7cf4d8ceb2007aab8e2 e27778b45c309248b5 fbe622d9acd966fd


I ECT ON REC U O T L bad loss
UREL C ND T E SI B IT bad loss


Vi kan selv ændre odds for at få et længere liv. Ana od ti od ti

miyya iteration thamanya iteration

The first part looks a bit like the code the stealth messages I received, but before they were decoded. Is the last bit Norweigan or Danish? Anyone? Help?

Ha ha, I just had a little talk with that stupid computer. (http://emri.perception.net/?player=real&enter=no)

Screenshot (http://250kb.de/u/051201/j/efb5f525.jpg)

His 'answers' are in the lines without a prompt.

Is the last bit Norweigan or Danish? Anyone? Help?

I think ist's Danish.
Google shows up Danish Websites after entering the quote.

antwerp on TWoP notes that catoms, as in the name of the link on BS1.com, are programmable electromagnets (also called claytronics) - like little robots - that stick to each other and move in three-dimensions.

Programmable matter (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05136/505033.stm)...

Each of the individual robots comprising these people or shapes would be a "claytronic atom," or catom. Likely spherical in shape, a catom would have no moving parts. Rather, it would be covered with electromagnets to attach itself to other catoms; it would move by using the electromagnets to roll itself over other catoms.

The catoms' surfaces would have light-emitting diodes to allow them to change color and photo cells to sense light, allowing the collective robot to see. Each would contain a fairly powerful, Pentium-class computer.

For now, the researchers are trying to build a two-dimensional version, with each catom being a cylindrical device a little more than an inch in diameter with its side encircled by 24 electromagnets.

In Goldstein's lab, researcher Brian Kirby can make two of these catoms twitch against each other. Within a few months, he hopes one catom will roll all the way around the other catom.

fascinating...

LETSCATCHFISHALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY

I know this was a line in the bi-polar polar bear song, but it also resembles this:

Matthew 13:47-50 NIV:

47"Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Good people? And Nathan's list?

Ha ha, I just had a little talk with that stupid computer. (http://emri.perception.net/?player=real&enter=no)

Screenshot (http://250kb.de/u/051201/j/efb5f525.jpg)

His 'answers' are in the lines without a prompt.
I wrote "Hello" and the response was "Hi. What's your problem?" I just realized that we now know one half of the password. The next time someone new shows up, that should be one of the first things asked. "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" Either you'll get an answer like Locke's or you'll get an answer. If you ask the question first.......

I can't get it to even accept an input.

Presumably we have to wait until countdown has reached 04:00 (it shows 21:00 now) and only the numbers will be accepted. As Locke told.

Michael might not be able to communicate with the computer at every time either.

Vi kan selv ændre odds for at få et længere liv. Ana od ti od ti

It looks like Norwegian, but it could be danish aswell. I can't tell the difference really (I'm Swedish...) Anyway, here it goes:

"We can by ourselves change the odds of having a longer life."

Can't make anything out of the "Ana od ti od ti" though...

(edit: spelling)

"Ana od ti od ti"

Ana do it do it, perhaps?

Computer is working again.

First I entered the snowman-question i got "panic" for answer. After that the keyboard didn't work no more.

After reset we had a nice little conversation about snowmen and panic, but with no answers. Wanted to know, if i had asked anyone else...

Ana do it do it, perhaps?

Haha. Yes, of course. Silly me.:doh: