In no way do I suggest that this is some sort of grand unifying theory, but I've got a couple ideas about where some of this may be going.

First, a number of these ideas are based solely on the information found at these two sites:

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html
and
http://bigspaceship1.com/

This last page was apparently hidden on the Hanso Foundation site--just to bring those of you unfamiliar with it up to speed.

As we know the hatch was part of some experiment being conducted by the Hanso Foundation. It was the Dharma Initiative. I think that this project was the unification of the seven "official" projects that Hanso was working on:

The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

and the end result was to be some sort of supersoldier, but this is just purely based on the fact that Hanso made his name as an arms dealer in the past. Why should we believe that he has actually changed his ways?

But that's not what's really important. Everything we've seen on the island that is strange, with the exception of the "security system" and the hatch; i.e., the Others, the polar bears, the black swarms, the sickness and even the numbers themselves are parts of the project that have escaped.

The Others were test subjects: probably in the eugenics experiments, and this is where we get our twins. Some escaped, maybe with the help of some rebellious researchers (who perhaps discovered the truth about the project that they were working on) sometime pre-filmstrip, and thus the security measures that Dharma temporarily put in place. But perhaps the ones who got out kept attacking the project trying to free the other subjects in other stations. They call themselves "Rabbits" as in test bunnies. Thus the website "bigspaceship1.com" up there. Listen to it. He's calling all rabbits (of the rebellion?) and giving them a secret message via numbers. The researchers eventually fled or were removed by the Hanso organization (or were killed), leaving the "rabbits" to the island, and the Dharma Initiative was abandoned. Maybe the rabbits released the individual experiments as a means of attacking the Hanso researchers: the polar bears (which are part of the cryogenics experiment), the swarms (which I think have something to do with the electromagnetic experiment, but don't hold me to it), the sickness even (which is part of the extra-terrestrial experiment--it rode in on a meteoroid, and is technically an extra-terrestrial life form). All released. And now roaming the island.

But, Hanso still has a problem, because during the original "incident" some of the rebellious researchers got out into the real world, and perhaps some of their work did too. Hanso has to collect the projects and hide them away from the world. Maybe destroy them.

This is where it starts to become a little unclear for me; but I definitely think that Christian was a part of the Dharma Initiative, and probably a researcher for it. He works on the "Life-Extension" project, and tests it on himself, making himself immortal. AND thus he is the "White Rabbit." Jack actually saw him alive, and Christian is making his way to go be with the other rabbits.

What if Michael's father was also a researcher for the project and somehow has passed down some "remote viewing" capabilities to his offspring? And Locke? Could he have been a part of the eugenics experiment, and somehow his mother managed to get him out of the project? The Rabbits release "The Numbers" which are a part of the Mathematical Forecasting project over the radio airwaves maybe looking for help, or as a message to other Rabbits in other locations, and they eventually find their way to Hurley. But Hanso can not allow all these loose ends of Dharma to be out in the world. And thus they send them back to the island. They are somehow responsible for getting the remaining rabbits (including, but by no means an exclusive list: Locke, Walt, Aaron, Christian, Hurley* and maybe Vincent?) onto the plane and having it crash on the island.
*Actually, I don't know if they actively were after Hurley, but they certainly knew of him after he won the lottery

I have no idea how the plane crashed. I do not know why some people were on the flight. I do not know why they survived. But I do know that most of the lostaways did not buy their own tickets, and were not supposed to be on that flight. Also, if Hanso were actively trying to collect the projects that were out there, it might help to explain all the emphasis on adoption---they are actively trying to collect Walt and Aaron. And maybe at one time Alex?

One last thought: in this scenario, maybe the Others or "Rabbits" are not bad, and when they abducted Walt, they did so to protect him from whatever it is that Hanso has planned. The real bad guys in this scenario is Hanso. They are the evil empire, and the Others are just members of the rebellion.

Like I said, I don't have all the pieces, and I suspect this will all fall apart once Wednesday's episode airs, but I can't shake the feeling that we've got some sort of rebellion going on here. I welcome any thoughts, criticisms, and ideas

ETA: They've changed the site. It no longer plays the rabbit/swirly message. For those of you who did not see it, it can be seen here (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lost2sl.swf), although the entirety of the message can't be heard. Anyone get a cap of it whole?

List of relevant sites:
bigspaceship1.com (bigspacehsip1.com)
thehansofoundation.org
oceanicairlines.com
marvincandle.com

New sites:
O.E.I.L Transmissions (http://www.purevolume.com/oeiltransmissionpost/blog)
Valentine Chauliac's site (http://www.myspace.com/valentinechauliac)
Niel Magnusson's site (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49126071)
Olivie's site (http://oliviechauliac.atspace.com/)
Athene86 (http://athene86.livejournal.com/)

Threads of interest:
Loyal to the Quest (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=29469)
Drs and Missing Limbs (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21510&highlight=limbs)
Transhumanism (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=30126&highlight=limbs)

Helpful tools:
lxicon's comprehensive index of bss1 posts (http://lxicon.perception.net/lost/?M=D)
wikipedia.org
Morse code translator (http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html)
and, of course longlostlist.com

Hey Todell:

I'm not sure if this will mean anything to your theory (I like it a lot, by the way). But, on the bigspaceship thing, it appears t hat at the top of the bar (the blue bar that has the site name and Microsoft Internet Explorer) that the dashes and dots might be morse code. So, I typed them into a morse code translator and got this:

TOTHELAND*6E*VT

Not sure what it means yet, if anything. "To the land (Island) 6 degrees east, vector" maybe?

Okay, I did it again through another code translator, and then the original. "HELPME,OBIWANKEOBIYO" *lol*.

Thanks, Johnny! At one point the morse code also said "DEAD WIVES HAVE NO FLASHBACKS"

So, I guess Sara won't be getting one...

if you listen to the recording of the women reading the numbers, very near the end you can hear a man with an american accent saying something like;-


'Help Me, Can you hear me, is anyone there'

Any ideas?

has anyone got a transcript of what is said by the bunny and the numbers read out by the woman?

if you listen to the recording of the women reading the numbers, very near the end you can hear a man with an american accent saying something like;-


'Help Me, Can you hear me, is anyone there'

Any ideas?

My thought is that this is broadcast by one of the rabbits perhaps after they've been abandoned on the island, looking for help. Either from one of the other stations, or from the outside world...and it's coming from the radio tower that we have yet to see.

Hey Todell,

Little heads up. There's a thread on the "morse code". I don't think we were supposed to have found the ship website. From what I can gather from the other thread, it's just a placeholder page for the company that did the Hanso sight.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=532024#post532024

'Help Me, Can you hear me, is anyone there'

Somebody's a Pink Floyd fan *lol*. That's not the exact line, but I immediately thought of Floyd's "Comfortably Numb".

Hello.
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone home?

Come on, now.
I hear you’re feeling down.
Well I can ease your pain,
Get you on your feet again.

Relax.
I need some information first.
Just the basic facts:
Can you show me where it hurts?

There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re sayin’.
When I was a child I had a fever.
My hands felt just like two balloons.
Now I got that feeling once again.
I can’t explain, you would not understand.
This is not how I am.
I have become comfortably numb.

Ok.
Just a little pinprick. [ping]
There’ll be no more --aaaaaahhhhh!
But you may feel a little sick.

Can you stand up?
I do believe it’s working. good.
That’ll keep you going for the show.
Come on it’s time to go.

There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ship’s smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re sayin’.
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb.

yeah--they've changed the audio again, back to Mama Cass, but all sped up, Alvin and the Chipmunk style.

I still think it has everything to do with the "rabbits" using the radio tower to transmit secret messages to each other.

'Youve gotta maaaaaaaaake youre own kinda music, sing your own special sooooooong'

This is really growing on me!

The morse code now reads "So long and thanks for all the fish." My whole theory is gonna be shot out of the water if this site goes down.
Racka-frackin' carrot-chewin' varmints!
I gots too close to the truth, I tells ya!

One more thing; on TWoP (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3127338&st=930), someone suggested that the little y-shaped thingys on the spirals look like antibodies when they are attached to cells. If this site is being used as a place for "rabbits" to transmit secret messages, perhaps this is also some sort of code for a cure to the sickness??

Theres also someone talking in the background of the rabbit one but its very, very faint

And they've changed the morse code to "one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small."
Another White Rabbit reference? Whee!

Yes. http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/J/jefferson-airplane-lyrics/jefferson-airplane-white-rabbit-lyrics.htm

This is a transcription of what 'The numbers rabbit' is saying


-Static with background voices-
-Music-
-Lyrics to song ='Here comes Peter Cottontail'-

'Attention all rodents
attention all rodents
attention all rodents
We, the rabbits of the rodent revolution send greetings to new rodent friends nestling along at this time (?)

For the (couldnt make this out)

We are proud to announce our project? destination one last time

attention all rodents
attention all rodents

prepare to copy the secret message one last time (couldnt make this out) from numbers bunny at the headquarters of the rodent revolution

The secret message will be repeated three times
There is a secret message in this conversation which will fry the minds of the old fools who are evesdropping on our secret message

If you find yourself (couldnt make out this bit, something about cream, hookers and flex cord???) and you hear the transmission ' the lord above is my savior, the lord above is my savior' we will know our subliminal message has worked

Rodents of the world prepare to copy, this weeks secret message'

12-2-7-12-18-18-14-1-8-4-18-12-6-14-7-9-5-20-1-12-18-5-8-21-4-2-2-7-8-8-9-22-14-20-
12-9-19-19-5-8-18-15-8-10-4-12-6-14-19-7-17-14-1-6-12-13-4-19-5-12-19-4-18-12-2-2-
11-20-18-18-23-14-20-19-12-2-10-10-18-15-14-1-8-4-18-12-6-14-14-9-5-20-1-12-18-5-
8-21-4-2-2-7-8-8-9-22-14-20-8-12-19-19-5-18-15-8-8-10-4-12-2-10-12-17-17-14-19-18-
21-8-6-14-19-7-17-14-1-8-13-4-12-19-5-12-19-4-14-12-6-2-11-20-18-18-23-15-20-19

translations to the message can be found here (http://www.spynumbers.com/WBNY.html), (its not worth getting excited about)


EDITED (for stupidity reasons)

Good theory. I also have been getting the feeing that the "Others" are merely trying to protect Walt. From the Lostaways, and from Hanso.

Thanks RaverDave! You're awesome!

Here is a link (http://www.spynumbers.com/WBNY.html) about the broadcast.

apparantly these are fairly old recordings and someones just decided to put them on a website, since its linked to the dharma website it guess its just put there to confuse us until the real website gets activated

http://bigspaceship1.com/

This last page was apparently hidden on the Hanso Foundation site--just to bring those of you unfamiliar with it up to speed.

Where exactly on the Hando Foundation site is that link alleged to have been hidden? Nobody I know has been able to find any such hidden link.

Nifty site though. Nice swirly pictures.:)

Heres another interesting link connected to the dharma initiative

http://www.darmaindustries.com/

seems to imply cloning....

Edit; Itseems to have more about the plot, so if you dont want to be spioled dont go there

Where exactly on the Hando Foundation site is that link alleged to have been hidden? Nobody I know has been able to find any such hidden link.

Nifty site though. Nice swirly pictures.:)

Hey partyman -- it comes from the secure site for Hanso: https://www.thehansofoundation.org

Heres another interesting link connected to the dharma initiative

http://www.darmaindustries.com/

seems to imply cloning....

Edit; Itseems to have more about the plot, so if you dont want to be spioled dont go there
This definitely looks fan-made. I doubt ABC/Disney would use Google ads on their "(faux) official" sites. Kind of takes away from the "official" mystique. "Darma" is also spelled incorrectly.

Hey partyman -- it comes from the secure site for Hanso: https://www.thehansofoundation.org
Thanks. I thought you meant the actual tie in Hanso site - missed the "s"! :biggrin:

I'm not too technical myself.... So what's the difference between an http and https domain? Do they have to be owned by the same entity?

What I mean is, is there any actual proof that https://www.thehansofoundation.org/ has anything to do with the official http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ site?

Okay, the crazy rodents are freaking me out now. I think i preffred it when they were imitating Mam Cass...

Unsure if this has much to do with the show. It looks to me that any Lost-realation is maybe just crazy fan-based. Like the spooky "Grekenski dublin caski mal a va pas" stuff after Numbers aired... :undecide:

What I mean is, is there any actual proof that https://www.thehansofoundation.org/ has anything to do with the official http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ site?


From what I understand, the https is a more secure site than the http: it is encrypted. So I guess they have to be from the same place. But you got me--I probably know less about this stuff than you do! Anyone else know?

The real question is whether the actual site bigspaceship1.com is produced by the Lost folks, or is it a fan site that they just linked to. Still. Even if it is a fan-produced thing, why would they direct us there?

From what I understand, the https is a more secure site than the http: it is encrypted. So I guess they have to be from the same place. But you got me--I probably know less about this stuff than you do! Anyone else know?

Hmmm. I'll ty and find out. :)

NEW MORSE CODE:

CONTACT DEAR LEADER : 1-800-622-6381

Called: rings and rings and rings, and then a message. Directs you to prfal.com, which doesn't work, but is the site for Pocono Rabbit Farm and Laboratory Inc.

More rabbits. I'm telling you, it's code for our rabbits. Somehow...

And here's how:

on google:

Pocono Rabbit Farm and Laboratory Inc. - PRF&L
Custom Polyclonal Antibody Production and Related Services.

And now this (http://www.spamula.net/blog/archives/000164.html) the Codex Seraphinianus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus), seems to be in its place. Down the rabbit hole we go!

And here's why I think it's important: codes codes codes:

The false writing system appears modelled on ordinary Western-style writing systems (left-to-right writing in rows; an alphabet with uppercase and lowercase, and probably contains a separate set of symbols for writing numerals) but is much more curvilinear. The language of the codex has defied complete analysis by linguists for decades, although the small amount of progress that has been made seems to verify that the book does indeed contain meaningful text. The number system used for numbering the pages, however, has been cracked by a Bulgarian linguist, Ivan Derzhanski.

Wow. I haven't checked the fuselage at all yet today and I missed the cool rabbit site! That will teach me...

Anyway, just a few thoughts to chew on, not ready to put them together yet:

1) Rabbits -- Sawyer was reading "Watership Down" last season. From a review on Amazon.com:
Living in the Sandleford Warren with its Chief Rabbit and Owsla maintaining a comfortable social order, Hazel and his little brother Fiver are content enough. But Fiver has the gift of prophecy, and when he warns that the warren has to be abandoned right away or they are all going to die, Hazel and a small circle of friends believe him and leave despite the fact that have no idea where they are going. Fiver envisions a great high place where they can be happy and safe, but there are a series of imposing obstacles to overcome, from not only humans and predators, but other wild rabbits as well. Consequently the basic story of "Watership Down" is the ancient quest for home, although in this case it is a new home that represents a wild rabbit's idea of utopia.

2) The Morse Code: From my research on Lord Kelvin's invention, the mirror galvanometer, I've been reading a lot about the transatlantic cable and morse code. There is something to this, mark my words! Look at this picture of a cross-section of a transatlantic cable: http://www.porthcurno.org.uk/html/guttapercha.html does it look familiar, maybe like the oceanic logo????

3) The Codex Seraphinianus site: This book contains lots of code (fake language meaning??), was written in the late 1970s (interesting time frame re: when the hatch was set-up and the filmstrip produced) and much surrealistic art. This brings me to some stuff I found when looking for info on people named Desmond. Desmond Morris http://www.desmond-morris.com/biography.php is an author of the famous book "the Naked Ape," as well as a zoologist, anthropologist and surrealistic painter. Check out his bio. The mural sure looks like surrealistic art, no?

Anyhoo, like I said, still thinking on it all. Just some stuff I found/noticed.

by the way, like the theory, Todell...

the LOst message boards on ABC's official Lost site has dealt with the spaceship site, quite in-depth. There is no real connection between ABC's Lost and the spaceship website....

when going to bigspaceship1.com i get redirected to a site called iapprovethismessiah.com... anyone else having the same issue?

Yes I am.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

*skeptic*

Some interesting information about the Moonies or the "Unification Church" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church):

Critics of the Unification Church have accused the organization of being closely involved with covert CIA-authored operations against Communism in Korea during the 1960s, largely due to similarity in names of the actual Korean CIA director and Won Pil Kim, the teenage follower who accompanied Sun Myung Moon on his journey from North Korea to the safety of Pusan during the Korean War. The Church is known to have been involved with weapon and munitions manufacturing in Korea since the 1960s, as documented in a 1978 United States Congressional Report on the Unification Church. The explanation given by Korean Unification Church members is that all manufacturers seeking to do business in South Korea were required to supply the military, and the actual products made were shell casings.

Also, from bigspaceship1 (http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2005/10/thinking-it-through.html) that we're linked to:

This PDF on Rev. Moon's idea for a tunnel linking Alaska and Russia -- on the premise that that God wants a trans-Pacific commuter route named for the Reverend -- pauses only very briefly to survey the risk posed to the project by angry, tunnel-hating eco-nuts.

"It's possible that environmental groups will oppose the tunnel construction and demand the preservation of the polar region's ecosystem and the protection of polar bears and seals. "Therefore before starting construction, public opinion polls must be carried out all over the world and it is absolutely essential that a public relations campaign to educate environmental groups, concerned organizations and residents near the proposed construction sites be carried out as well."

UPDATE: A reader reminds me that polar bears play a significant role in the Washington Times owner's view of humanity. Specifically, Moon preaches that the white race is descended from them. However, he strongly opposes the theory of evolution and, as Salon's Michelle Goldberg has chronicled, inspired the career of prominent creationist Jonathan Wells.

hmm.
Oh, and thanks cour10ee: I think those are some really good points! It's difficult to put it altogether (if it means anything at all, but I'm less skeptical than some), especially when they keep changing the page so quickly. My thoughts on the Reverend Moon page are that it is interesting that we have:
1. A Korean connecton
2. That big ol' polar bear on the page, which according to the comment from the page, features into his belief system (although I looked into this a little and that seems like an oversimplification of his preachings: he suggests that the races are like bears in that some are white, some are brown and so on)
3. They are discussing Moon's thoughts on a tunneling project.
4. The Church has connections to arms dealing.

Again, I think the idea with bigspaceship1.com is that it is a site that the rabbits have hacked into as a means to communicate with the other "rodents" of the revolution. Could they be suggesting that one of the groups get to work on some tunneling project?

Some interesting information about the Moonies or the "Unification Church" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church):

This PDF on Rev. Moon's idea for a tunnel linking Alaska and Russia -- on the premise that that God wants a trans-Pacific commuter route named for the Reverend -- pauses only very briefly to survey the risk posed to the project by angry, tunnel-hating eco-nuts.



Also, from bigspaceship1 (http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2005/10/thinking-it-through.html) that we're linked to:





Don't rabbits burrow?

I love this theory. What if the rabbits are representative of another station, the Rabbit station? This could be the Eugenics station, since they are 'bred' like rabbits (multiple births linked to one male could be a possiblity).

Reminds me of the song "Killing Moon" (Moon, moonies) by who else, but Echo and the Bunnymen (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=202176&postcount=2) stretching? I'm not so sure anymore!

Yeah, the swirlies are no longer at the bottom of the page (an early accident? hadn't cleaned up the site?) but this is the song they are playing Chipmunk style:

Artist: Walter Egan Lyrics
Song: Magnet and Steel Lyrics
Ooh, ooh, ah
Now, I told you so you ought to know (ooh,ooh,ah)
It takes some time for a feeling to grow (ooh,ooh,ah)
You're so close now I can't let you go (ooh,ooh,ah)
And I can't let go
With you I'm not shy to show the way I feel
With you I might try my secrets to reveal
For you are a magnet and I am steel

I can't hope that I'll hold you for long (ooh,ooh,ah)
You're a woman who's lost in your song (ooh,ooh,ah)
But the love that I feel is so strong (ooh,ooh,ah)
And it can't be wrong
With you I'm not shy to show the way I feel
With you I might try my secrets to reveal
For you are a magnet and I am steel

[break]

With you I'm not shy to show the way I feel
With you I might try my secrets to reveal
For you are a magnet and I am steel
For you are a magnet and I am steel
For you are a magnet and I am steel

Magnet and steel? Interesting...
And cmcd? FATE up against the WIL-HILL! Fate up against the will, indeed. Poor bunnies.

THE ICE DOES NOT FLOAT + Magnet and Steel = they're going to do something to the magnet, and the rabbits need to get someplace where they're safe from the magnetic pull?

Also, there is this site, (http://mrclucks.com/) which has also been changing constantly. The folks at TWoP (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3127338&st=960) have been chronicalling the changes. It flashed the numbers and a message that read: "The Button is bad. Don't press the button." But the interesting thing with this is that the source code for the site seems to be "http://www.redbunny.com/mrclucks"

Red bunny? Again, I think this is supposed to be a site for the rabbits to communicate with each other. Check out the word game at the bottom.

Maybe they activate the magnet and a plane will go down?
Maybe it is how it allways have worked?
When they need to, they activate a magnet and planes/boats will head towards the island?

Desmond has a stuffed bunny rabbit, he grabbed from his bunk as he was leaving the hatch.

Thanks grish! I'm looking for any rabbit references y'all can think of. BTW: the audio is back to the radio rodent message, but even more sped up.

Also, there is this site, (http://mrclucks.com/) which has also been changing constantly. The folks at TWoP (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3127338&st=960) have been chronicalling the changes. It flashed the numbers and a message that read: "The Button is bad. Don't press the button." But the interesting thing with this is that the source code for the site seems to be "http://www.redbunny.com/mrclucks"

Red bunny? Again, I think this is supposed to be a site for the rabbits to communicate with each other. Check out the word game at the bottom.
The Mr. Clucks site is/was (seeems to have changed now) definitely just a fan site - if that helps any with your theories.

Oooh - you were right on the http/https thing. It would have to be the same owner.

Now I am entirely confused as to why the secure Hanso site points to the insane Rabbit site. *headsplodey*

Does anyone think there is a connections between the 3 car accidents on Lost and this?

Often for giggles we will send him messages late at night to go out and check his tire pressure.


Excellent thread Todell

THEICEDOESNOTFLOAT immediatly made me think of this scene (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=39198&fullsize=1). I chalked it up to being prop ice but I wonder if this is what the site is talking about.

The Mr. Clucks site is/was (seeems to have changed now) definitely just a fan site - if that helps any with your theories.

Oooh - you were right on the http/https thing. It would have to be the same owner.

Now I am entirely confused as to why the secure Hanso site points to the insane Rabbit site. *headsplodey*

Hi everyone. Just thought I'd let you know that my sister todell is at the Astros game today and it is killing her that she can't track all of the changes.

Personally, I think that the appearance of this website within the site is meant to be a clue, as if the bunny rabbits have hacked into the site and are trying to send mesages out to the other test subjects, but that's just an idea that I have after obsessing with my sis. Something about the antibodies, as if to warn them of the disease being released?

WIF the tire pressure was a great catch. I haven't looked at all of these sites yet but that's a great observation.

And OnAonXM that is really great! Maybe it is a reference to the Cryogenetics program!

Hee hee, the morse code message has changed again. I couldn't see the end of it, but the beginning of it was Hokey religions and ancient weapons... Obviously, it was a
Han Solo quote.

http://www.filmsite.org/starw2.html

Ben: Remember a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.
Luke: You mean it controls your actions?
Ben: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.
Han (after laughing): Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.Luke (to Han): You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field controls my destiny! It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
Ben: I suggest you try it again Luke. This time, let go your conscious self and act on instinct.

Emphasis added by me!

Speaking of Han Solo, I immediately thought of his name when we found out the foundation name was Hanso!

Totally luv this theory Todell.

Hey, did anyone ever consider that WE are the white rabbits? Whether the Hanso foundation site or the bigspaceship site are "legit" or fan generated, couldn't the whole thing be a little social experiment on the side?

Just who are JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof anyway? Freemasons? The real life Hanso and Paik?

LOL!!! lol. er..... well.... um.... hmmmmmm. :)

BTW, I know i'm jumping smack-dab into your mega-ubber (is that even possible?) convo, and i've never posted before, but i've just Mary Poppined over from that other great big thread web in the sky: lost-forum.com. Been hearin about The Fuse for a while.

I likes the way yous guys thinks. Think i'll stick around for a bit.

Welcome Moonglow!

Now, can you tell me why the bigspaceship site has a black screen now and a hearbeat? Ahhhh...Heart of Darkness maybe? When I first load it I can see the morse code message, but it's only there for a second or two now. It's not long enough for me to see if the message has changed.:frown: Maybe the rabbits rebelled, but now they have gone native. They have become the thing they hated? Zealots of another kind?

BIG PROPS to everyone who contributed to this so far!
Quick, before I forget, over in the spoiler section Fod (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21863) found this photo of the wreckage (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabularasa5302gv.jpg). Look. There's the Dharma logo. The plane crash was totally planned by Hanso to collect renegade projects.
It's all coming together!

Also, the site has changed a few times since I left (stupid 18 inning-long, longest ever post-season game ever, but YAY ASTROS! Ahem.). Now it is all black with a heartbeat. Hmm. All I can think is maybe the rhythm has to do with the mathematical forecasting project? Cmcd explained it well that we think they are communicating with the individual project subjects with each of these messages...for instance:

Thanks for Jack's drink photo, OnAonXM! Cryogenics, maybe?

They also linked to this site (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/10/06/spaceship.one.ap/index.html). The Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence? I don't know...

ETA; cause I can't spell to save my life.

Hmm..maybe it's not a heartbeat, but rabbits beating out morse code with their feet.
I gotta turn it off before I go crazy. I feel like I'm in an Edgar Allan Poe story..The Tell Tale Heart. Achh!

And. Oh my god. The Dharma logo is all over the plane (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3069/dplaneb0nn.jpg).
Hanso loaded up the projects onto the plane in Sydney, and then brought it down on the island.

There aren't long and short beats. I don't think that's Morse code. I don't have a watch with a second hand on me, but it sounds like someone's a little tachy, and probably having palpitations. About every 8th beat is wonky, or that's a distortion where the loop starts over. :biggrin:

New one:

"LETSCATCHFISHALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY"

Willie the bipolar polar bear? You've got to listen to the lyrics. Here's a sample (http://raynaylor.ihoststudio.com/Music_Samples/Ray%20Naylor%20-%20Willie,%20The%20Bi-Polar%20Polar%20Bear.mp3).

New one:

"LETSCATCHFISHALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY"

Willie the bipolar polar bear? You've got to listen to the lyrics. Here's a sample (http://raynaylor.ihoststudio.com/Music_Samples/Ray%20Naylor%20-%20Willie,%20The%20Bi-Polar%20Polar%20Bear.mp3).

Sure reminds me of Hurley...especially with the fish reference.

And now it is a giant red rabbit head, with the rodent message and the morse code says
"LETS CATCH HUMANS ALL DAY THEN THROW THEM AWAY"

Well, that's just spooky.

I saw the same giant red rabbit head the first time i looked at this site. That was yesterday morning. Then the black screen later. I noticed the morse code with the red rabbit head, but unfortunately i didn't check to see what it said. Are the images, sounds/music, and morse code messages recycling perhaps?

From what I've seen, the morse code seems to be changing fairly regularly. The images are being recycled.

Also, I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Channel 4 Lost site (http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/main.html): it is really well-designed. But the red rabbit head reminded e of the Jack chapter. Take a look, and tell me what you think...
My thought is that it is a Christian reference.

I've never seen this site before. What Jack chapter are you refering to? All i can pull up is a flight manifest with 4 highlighted names: Kate, Sayid, Claire, and Locke, which then give me additional screens from there if i click on stuff. Does this site change like the others do? I've seen a site where you can click on boarding seats. Is this the same one?

It is. You are going to need to expand your screen, and towards the bottom of the manifest is Charlie and Jack. To expand your screen, perhaps this will help:

Right click anywhere on your desktop (not on an icon, just anwhere in the background) and select properties.

This will bring up a window titled "Display Properties." Select the tab at the top that says "Settings."

Underneath the picture of the computer monitor there are options. To the right it should say "Screen Area" with a little notched line.

Mine was set to "800x600" by default (I'm at work). Just move it over so that it is set to "1024x768." A pop-up window will tell you that "Windows will now resize your desktop..." Click "OK." Another pop-up will come up saying "You resized your desktop. Do you want to keep it this way." Click "Yes."

Morse code has not changed.
"LETSCATCHHUMANSALLDAYTHENTHROWTHEMAWAY"

But there is something funny. I zoomed all the way in, and in the middle of the red circle that flashes there is the following:

2FEN06

No what is that?

Google is not much help.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%222FEN06%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0

Perhaps it is a chess move (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEN)?

Forsyth-Edwards Notation (FEN) is a standard notation for describing a particular board position of a Chess game. The purpose of FEN notation is to provide all the necessary information to restart a game from a particular position.

does fen = feb (february) in any languages?

2/2/06 is the next......Groundhog Day.

hee hee this thread cracks me up, as well as this site, i dont think this site is lost related at all, some of these broadcasts have been picked up in the past there is a bunch of posts about it on another lost site, this site is all the rave on all the discussion boards, but nothing ties it directly to the show, i think the owner of this site is just having fun, and seeing what kind of mess he can stir up on the boards...willie the bipolar polarbear, is pretty darn funny.

Ok about the original plot of this thread, i found a site that givea good look at the kidnappers and the founding couple, i think you all might want to take a look....at first i thought now way was it them on the boat but when i look at these pics it makes me wonder. check it out

http://humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg

[quote=beachcomberjim;535679]hee hee this thread cracks me up, as well as this site, i dont think this site is lost related at all, some of these broadcasts have been picked up in the past there is a bunch of posts about it on another lost site, this site is all the rave on all the discussion boards, but nothing ties it directly to the show, i think the owner of this site is just having fun, and seeing what kind of mess he can stir up on the boards...willie the bipolar polarbear, is pretty darn funny.


Like i said before, maybe WE are the rabbits. I still think its fun trying to figure it out though.

(Oops, how do you do those little quote boxes?)

Just thinking here. what if the Hanso corporation are the good guys? they are working to prepare for whatever devastating events our future may hold and that is the point of the experiments. The rabbits could then be experiments that have developed their own grandiose personas based on how 'smart' or how 'advanced' they are, our own modern intelligensia, if you will, and have decided that they know better and that instigating the revolution is the way?

So they are playing some song about "two for the price of one" and "split-personality" but I can't find the lyrics to save my life. The Morse code reads: "YOU ARE THE MAGNET AND I AM STEEL"
At least they gave the bears some music to dance to.
Can anyone see if the number code has changed?
Interesting thoughts, cmcd...I'm not sure how comfortable I am getting behind the idea that ultimately egenics were being implemented in our best interest, but it certainly would be a twist to have the Foundation that we all suspect of evil intentions be the good guys.
I am beginning to wonder more and more about whether or not the Intitiative has been shut down, as I theorized earlier. Maybe they needed to bring back the outside "projects" back to the island to complete the project, and the "rabbits" are trying to undermine their efforts.

ETA: someone at TWoP got a screencap of the bears when they come together at the dot, and it looks like a bunny (http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1089/lostmno28nr.jpg). At least to my obsessed eyes.
And the song may be "Schizophrenic Baby" and might be traced back to this fella (http://www.conelrad.com/media/atomicmusic/sh_boom.php?platter=23). I love it.

The number code in the red circle has not changed. I'd post a picture, but don't have that capability, Sorry.

Todell is the song Muskrat love? Those lyrics are very familiar and sound very late 70's early 80's.

All the Han Solo references remind me of Han being cryogenically frozen in some sort of metal??? I saw a reference early about metal perserving at low temps, I cant remember exactly, but then we have the miners, oh well I'm just rambling now..but

I'm pretty sure this site has nothing to do (officially) with the show, but it has kept me entertained the last couple of days.

iPod. Hmmmph.

I wanted to add that the title of the ipod page reads:

iPodNews.com | iPod News updated every 108 minutes

Hmmm...

no www on the ipod news, either.

Narvikmines.com comes up with the following url:

http://narvikmines.com/4815162342

No www there, either and at the bottom it says:

This page provided to the domain owner free by Sedo's Domain Parking .

Disclaimer: Domain owner and Sedo maintain no relationship with third party advertisers. Reference to any specific service or trade mark is not controlled by Sedo or domain owner and does not constitute or imply its association, endorsement or recommendation.

Narvikmines.com is not operational yet.
Hmmmm Indeed.

And when you hover your mouse over the Navrik site, a message pops up saying

"Narvik Mines - Your friendly source for heavy metal and magnetic ore. If your ever in Narvik, just drop in!"

Oh, I dropping in alright...right down that danged rabbit hole...

Just posted this on WWII connections thread, has to do with "Black Rock", these are short stories from Kenneth Robeson which are no longer have copyright but take a look at it for what it's worth:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=537645&postcount=26

Thanks Ray66.

Now playing the "Bunny Hop" with the big ol' rabbit head again. Morse code:
"TAKING MORE HITS THAN SAWYER EVER WILL"

hahaha. yeah I just got that morse code message. Whoever is running this site is cool.

Likelylost just let me know that the rodent message is back up. There is a pattern going on here. Anyone want to take a stab at it?

I'm racking my brain... don't see the pattern. This is my first time posting, but I love this thread for days now. Todell rules. How do read the morse code. Is there a site that helps?

Thanks doncunney!

Cast Iron Arm now playing by Roy Orbison (thanks LikelyLost!)

lyrics:

The other night me and my girl went bowling
The other night me and my girl went bowling
Went to a place called Joe's that's where everybody goes

When we walked in she turned every face in the place
When we walked in she turned every face in the place
A cool number jumped up and made a play for my girl
I said "Come on boy"

I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
"Oh when you you mess with me that only rings my alarm"

Well the music was a-rockin' and the place was a-jumpin' with jive
Well the music was a-rockin' and the place was a-jumpin' with jive
Well the same cool number made the same wrong move
I hit him in the head

I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
"Oh when you you mess with me that only rings my alarm"

I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
I said "Don't mess with me cos I got a cast iron arm"
"Oh when you you mess with me that only rings my alarm"


ETA: perhaps some drums were before this...I unfortunately missed that.

And I've been using this site (http://morsecode.scphillips.com/translator.html). Hope it helps!

And could the "cast iron arm" have anything to do with all our missing limbs...cmcd is tracking them down over here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21510)...

One more thing. On the rabbit, look at the lower (our left) corner of the head. It looks like there might be a line of text underneath the black squigglies. Can't read it. I wonder if you could if the blacks and reds were lined up properly, or if maybe you had some set of special glasses (think 3-D) that could help you align the two images...

And another change. Red background, mouse on top of a piece of cheese, with the rodent message, this time in real time--not sped up.

Morse code reads:
"ALONG TIME AGO, ON AN ISLAND FAR FAR AWAY"

Hmmm... another Star Wars reference. Very interesting. You know what Star Wars was? An extended World War II (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21965) analogy...
I'm assuming the rodents = the rebellion here. Although Hanso is just two letters off from Han Solo.

And look! To the right of the mouse, you can kinda make out a 42, but it has the same issues as the bunny photo above ... the black squigglies obscure it.

if you have a laptop you can angle the screen away from you and under the bottom of the rabbits head it is the number 42, you can also see it sort of if you step back and squint

Oh and just to add the obvious -- the mouse is the prototypical laboratory animal.

Also, I think they've used this picture before, but I missed it when it happened...will have to investigate.

There seems to be a lot of
black and white and red all over

JUST LIKE A PENGUIN WITH A SUNBURN! That's brilliant, LL!

Like I said, I don't think it is an official site, but it is very entertaining, so far, don't you think?

I now have the rabbit on the block of cheese with the rodent revolution message. Very strange.

Y'all. I can't vouch for this. But someone on another board put the image on photoshop, messed around with it, and got this (http://www.popcornfilms.com/Lost%20Game/mousecheese.png).

The map (http://www.popcornfilms.com/Lost%20Game/mousecheesemap.png) is supposedly of Paris (http://www.maporama.com/affiliates/popup/share/Map.asp?_XgoGCAdrCommand=run&language=en&COUNTRYCODE=FR&_XgoGCAddress=avenue+george+v&Zip=&_XgoGCTownName=Paris&submit.x=0&submit.y=0)!
Shannon was in Paris...

I keep going back and forth from this thread and the other one on the episodes board. I wish there was just one. Anyway, anyone know when it was last updated?

Also--if you zoom in on the mouse's ear, it looks a bit like the Dharma swan. But I could just be crazy.

Does anyone know Paris well?
What is at that spot circled on the map?

ETA
The Four Seasons Hotel is located at 31 Avenue Georg V
That address might be in the circle.
The kind of place where Shannon might stay.

LL: from what I understand, Crazy Horse (http://www.lecrazyhorseparis.com/) is there, but it looks like a trafic circle, so who knows. The time is 11 pm, and it seems that people going into a club at that time wouldn't arouse much suspicion...

D'oh! It would have been 10 pm. Sorry.

What I find very interesting is that they are in Paris. Which means there are "rabbits" on the outside. Reminds me of the resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance) in France during the War...

In my original theory, I thought that the Dharma Intiative had been shut down, but now that I think back on it, I suspect it hasn't. After all, someone has to be paying the electricity bill for those hatches, and be bringing food to Desmond. I had originally thought they were collecting the "rabbits" from the outside to get rid of them, but now I'm worried that Hanso is collecting them to complete the Initiative.

I'm pretty sure that Christian, Walt, Locke, and Aaron, maybe Hurley have to be rabbits. I'm thinking that Mike must be one, too. Brian could have sent Walt by himself on the plane, but it seemed important that both Mike and Walt be on it. (And a random thought on Locke--the whole leg going out thing when Boone got into the plane--it was almost as if his legs were turned off to prevent him from going into the plane. Is he too valuable to the Initiative to endanger?) And now the preview from this week shows an English-speaking Jin. Could he be Jin's twin; making Jin and his brother a part of the eugenics program?

And a quick question that maybe someone can answer for me: Sawyer's family situation. We are told that the real Sawyer conned Sawyer's parents, leading to Sawyer's dad killing himself, right? How do we know this? Who told Sawyer that? I mean, I know he saw his father kill his mother and himself, but who told Sawyer that's why his father did it?

I am wondering when it is supposed to change. I want to see what's next.

Todell, I am beginning to be a believer. I don't think it is over, either. They just need all the rabbits back in the warren for a while.

So glad to hear it, Captain! You may not after I throw this at you, though.

So there's another site. oceanicairlines.com (http://oceanicairlines.com/)
It appeared this past summer, and there was a great debate about its authenticity. When it first appeared it showed a pier and over the course of a few days (7 maybe?) it started to spell out (very slowly, letter by letter) WHEN IT'S TIME. Here's a great screencap (http://www.altergeek.org/possibility/Possibility.html). Alright. So then, just as quickly as it came, it disappeared. Gone. For months. It did not come back until after the premiere this season where it said this (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/jen6575/7rows.gif) for exactly one day. And now, today there is a very very very light image, you have to highlight it to see it, that says "possibility" and in the page source info it reads "Insula est exspecto," or the island is waiting. It should be noted that people had the same problems with this site as they did with spaceship; no affiliation with Disney or ABC, the host was weird, the graphics amateurish. I am myself somewhat skeptical, (although I did start a thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19332&highlight=oceanicairlines.com) about it way back here, but I didn't keep it up, because I didn't know what was going on...)

But now, I wonder.

Here's my theory. Hanso is a foundation that looks legit. But we being well-versed in pop-culture know that it must be evil. What if it is the front for a small group of powerful men, who are paying for the Dharma Initiative to do whatever it does, and this site is a way for them to communicate with each other. Kinda like the spaceship site is for the Rabbits?
The Seven Rows bothered me until I saw Orientation and then the Hanso site.

Seven Rows? Seven Projects:
The Hanso Life-Extension Project

The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative

The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence

The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative

The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative

The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute

The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility


The seven come together to be the Dharma project. And perhaps the other messages are telling the other members that the pieces are falling (somewhat literally) into place? They can't communicate with each other through normal means--they have to do so through code.
Anyway. Just another site to keep our eyes on. If you haven't thought I've lost my mind completely by now...:dizzy:

Back to iPod News.

Now back to Polar Bears.

Morse Code:

Sometimes a Polar Pear is just a Polar Bear.

Thought I'd post this instead of call you sis, so the creators of the Lost Channel 4 site did Donnie Darko right, echo and the bunnymen connection, and of course the bunny.

what if the reference/similarities, whatever, is to the bunny and not time travel. Remeber Christian in the Bunny suit?

apologies if I missed this being discussed already....

It reminded me of it too--all that red.
The Rodents should be meeting about now...

Seven Rows? Seven Projects:

Hey, Todell! What about seven rows on the airplane? Maybe the rest of the passengers are just extras, but the ones TPTB have "marked" are located in those rows? Maybe the rows with the "numbers". I can't remember seat assignments. I know there must be a core group that are rabbits, and the others may end up being Others if they're not careful. It could make for some real tension once they find out who's who.

Hi chelle! Yeah--the 7 Rows thing...there was also some speculation that there were 7 rows of the numbers on Danielle's map. So who knows...

More stuff I found elsewhere on the bigspacship1.com site. Someone has started a myspace site (http://www.myspace.com/therodentrevolution) for it...I feel like someone also posted a similar site for the hatch that seemed to have on it a lot of the information that Tiberius posted. For what it's worth, I don't trust this as much...the text seems to be verbatim from that link about the original broadcast of the "rodent revolution."

Also, someone claimed that in the page source code was a link with a picture of a bunny attacking a girl in a swimming pool. But in negative image. Here's a blog (http://www.kickingdirt.com/?p=255) that has the picture.

The weirdness continues...

Hey Todell,

You just had 108 posts on this thread. Now, I feel like a rabbit in a Skinner box.

Thanks Donger!
We're back to ipodnews. Full disclosure, there was a NYTimes article today about how the new video-capable ipod was going top broadcast an episode of Lost (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/12/technology/12cnd-apple.html?hp), so if all of this was some sort of extended commerical, I'm going to be suing Apple for my life back.
We'll see.
Also, the website that is linked to the Narvik ad seems to have changed slightly. Now it is narvikminescorp.com/4815162342 (http://narvikminescorp.com/4815162342) for whatever that's worth.

Back to the silently dancing polar bears. Hmmm. Morse code stays the same. The ipod page seems to come on for only a short period now, bookended by other pages...

just wondering if anyone had noticed that the washing machine and dryer that are inside the hatch are very modern. if i remember correctly from my days at Sears, that model was the first front loading consumer machines and they came out in 2001. so someone must of been to the hatch to bring those less than 4 years ago. everything else in the hatch is so vintage...these new machines must mean something

Heartbeat going now. Black screen.

Says now " NARVIK FOR LIFE"
-. .- .-. ...- .. -.- / ..-. --- .-. / .-.. .. ..-. .

Thanks Ray! From what I understand, I also missed a gasmask graphic that they put up at about 8:30 CST tonight.

The gas mask is back. And the song cycles up too fast for me to figure it out. But it sounds familar...

So the others are the Rats of NIMH?

Silent bears again. Morse code reads CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS.

Asclepius was the Greek god of healing that Zeus killed with a thunderbolt for upsetting the natural order of things by bringing the dead back to life. The symbol for medicine with the pole and the snakes is his symbol.

Still Polar Bears, but now morse code is:

CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS

Silent bears again. Morse code reads CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS.

Asclepius was the Greek god of healing that Zeus killed with a thunderbolt for upsetting the natural order of things by bringing the dead back to life. The symbol for medicine with the pole and the snakes is his symbol.

For some reason, makes me think of chocolate Easter bunnies...Christian was a doctor, so is Jack and Desmond was training to become one...Here's more on Asclepius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius). White Rabbit = Christian = Ascelpius?

Does this mean that someone will have his ears bitten off? :smile:

I missed the gas mask again. Stupid body needing sleep...

And the Secret of NIMH! I had completely forgotten about that movie...I'll have to think about that for a while. There are so many literary and film allusions being thrown around. Good thought!

ETA: Oogie's thread on bigspaceship, someone notice the connection between Asclepius and Apollo and the Apollo chocolate bars...

THEICEDOESNOTFLOAT immediatly made me think of this scene (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=39198&fullsize=1). I chalked it up to being prop ice but I wonder if this is what the site is talking about.

Take a look at this link. Remember hearing that Norwegian resistance fighters prevented a delivery of heavy water to the Germans?

Isotopes: Heavy Water Ice Cubes (http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA2/MAIN/ICECUBE/CD2R1.HTM)

And some thoughts about the rabbit theory in relation to last night's episode:
The tail section's hatch sure looked abandoned. Was it a station that had been attacked by the rabbits? Had the researchers abandoned it? Also, the food in Desmond's hatch; there was only three months supply left. For some reason, I feel like this might be important to the timing of the plane crash. Hanso knew that the plane crash would be happening at a certain date, and therefore only gave the hatch enough food to get that time? There were supposed to be two people in the hatch. Would the food have run out much sooner if both had been in there eating it?

ETA: oooh...great catch shootfire!

And we're back to the mouse on cheese with ""CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS," and they keep repeating the start of "Attention All Rodents" but without the recitation of the numbers. I wonder if they changed the message? I can't make it out, but it sounds vaguely different. Don't know if the map and message is still up there, but I'll keep in eye on it...

has the image shrunk for everyone else, or is it just my computer being wiggy?

Bunny in a beaker with Morse saying:
CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS

Playing "Here comes Peter Cotton Tail"

Hmmmm....

It also played Van Morrison's "Want a Danish?" (http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/V/van-morrison-lyrics/van-morrison-want-a-danish-lyrics.htm)

You want a danish?
No, I just ate,
I've just aten.
D'ya' want...
Like, I want some bread up front.
Oh, bread up front. You want a sandwich?
Have a danish.
Want a sandwich?
Have a sandwich.
Have a seat.
Have a seat,
have a sandwich,
have a danish.

Hanso's a Dane. Heh.

My take on CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS is that it has something to do with Bernard (perhaps even being representative of all the tail section people,) being "brought back from the dead." I'm thinking of the Apollo choc. bar Rose is keeping for him as the Chocolate Asclepius itself.

Not a clue, really, just a reference.

thesimplicity on this forum:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22524
mentioned that the first message in the red dot, 2FENO6 could be 2FeNO6, some compound made up of iron, nitrogen and oxygen. Anyone know what it might be?

I saw something that suggested that it had to do with nitric oxide (http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0507013.htm) and tumors, and injections. But, who knows. I wonder if it isn't a password for something.

ETA: back to big red rabbit head + Schizo Baby...

Now it's rabbit in the vial and "Here Comes Peter Cottontail" playing.

Morse code:

"ALL THE RABBITS DOWN THE HUTCH"

back to silently dancing polar bears: same morse code...

wish I did. Working on it...

Polar bears again.

Morse says: SOMETIMES A POLAR BEAR IS JUST A POLAR PEAR

Polar pear = polar pair? What are we talking about? magnetic poles? the North and South poles? Aaarrrggg!

I've seen a lot of discussion about that bigspaceship1.com website. Well the other day there was a picture of a bunny on it and it was playting a radio broadcast that talked about the "rodent revolution". Part of the broadcast was a high pitched alvin and the chimpunks voiced charachter spewing off numbers. I looked up the rodent revolution and saw that it is an irregular broadcast on some sort of short wave radio station. They broadcast numbers, which is supposed to be some sort of code for thos in the know who can decipher it and get secert messages. Apparently the "rodent revolution" is a hoax, but based on real secert broadcasts of allegedly secert gov't broadcasts to spys and the like.

So here's my point, do you think the numbers in LOST are some sort of secret broadcast for individuals involved in the hanso foundation and/or the dharma initiative. I know I sound awfully Oliver Stone conspiracy theory, but I was owndering if anyone had any insight.

Lastly, even if the rodent revolution thing has nothing to do with LOST, the broadcast is really freaking spooky. Anyone have any idea what its about?

Right: good eye, PostTenebrasLux.

"How poor are they who have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees."

Time heals all wounds...the Losties all have psychic (and some physical) wounds that have to be dealt with, and some, like Hurley and Boone, seem to be making progess on that front.

What I think is interesting is that it is on a Hanso page. Back on oceanicairlines.com this summer was this page (http://www.altergeek.org/possibility/Possibility.html). My theory is that the oceanicairlines.com page is a way for the secret organizers of Hanso to communicate with each other about the Dharma project, and the When It's Time message is similar to the quote above--the project will take time, patience is urged...

Polar pear = polar pair? What are we talking about? magnetic poles? the North and South poles? Aaarrrggg!

I don't know what the meaning is, either.

Yesterday, for a short time, it read
"SOMETIMES A POLAR PEAR IS JUST A POLAR BEAR"

Today it is
"SOMETIMES A POLAR BEAR IS JUST A POLAR PEAR"

Misprint? Mistype? Red Herring?

I don't know what the meaning is, either.

Yesterday, for a short time, it read
"SOMETIMES A POLAR PEAR IS JUST A POLAR BEAR"

Today it is
"SOMETIMES A POLAR BEAR IS JUST A POLAR PEAR"

Misprint? Mistype? Red Herring?

I think it is totally deliberate. The image of the bears coming together from opposite directions and the flipping of bears and pears, plus, that weird image of the bunny (http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8MdPQ_C3qn4BytJFsNao5KFylYjHNynqm1ncU0_issHiGAj39z XT-ZZ5278wTfzIhl8dxiUHYyDw_zf4TDeKi4m1Dy0sO_1DqcrF/Screengrabs/Bigspaceship1/04-23-2006neg.jpg)jumping into the pool that was a negative image...there's something going on here with mirror images, and/or negative images... there's a whole thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=11039&highlight=mirror) on all the mirror imagery in the show. It has to be deliberate, I just don't know why or what it means.

I agree, Todell. It is all deliberate, but how much is reliable?

Not being an "official" site, it could be anything from someone deep "in the know" to someone just playing with us poor weak minded fans.

I'm definitely getting tired head just tying to figure it out.

Alright, Captain, how about this? Baileysdad posted this on the hatches are all connected thread:

Originally Posted by Baileysdad View Original
I am retired so I can sit here all day too!

I think they are on what was a barron island in the Arctic Ocean. Dharma has weather initiaives and programs. My theory is the magnet controls and alters the weather. Then they introduce plants and animals to this crazy environment to study them.

When Walt was taken, the man who took him had a wool cap and a jacket on...it appeared snow was swirling around his head. The raft was drifting to close to the perimeter so they had to stop them.

WHen they were launching the raft...Artz told them they needed to get going before the current took them dead south...which was THe Artic circle.

Jack and Sayid pinpointed North by the sun...yet the compass showed another direction (magnetic pole screwing with the system)

The timer needs to be reset in order to keep the weather warm and sunny..if not..they revert back to ice and snow.

They are thousands of miles off course...the only land mass near where they left is Antartica...

I could be crazy...but this would explain a lot...

The monster is to scare people away from discovering things or to leave the Island if they have the means..

Maybe I am sniffing to much glue but it is something I think is plausible...

What if he's right? What if the island is on the polar opposite side of the world from where we expect it to be? What if it is actually in the Arctic Ocean near the Prime Meridian instead of in the Pacific Ocean near the International Date Line? Suddenly, all these mirror and negative images start making some sense...
Also, look at the "when it's time" (http://www.altergeek.org/possibility/Possibility.html) site again. When this site showed up last summer, everyone was asking why did it look like there was snow on the pier? Some thought it could just be sand, but a lot were convinced it was snow. If Baileysdad is correct, and I'm not entirely convinced he is, it starts making sense...

hello broutman
I think the website and messages are being discussed here.:smile:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21714

Possible, Todell.

Perhaps the code must be entered to keep the geothermal (or nuclear? who really knows?) plant from going to some type of supercritical state and shutting down, thus destroying the experiments or the Dharma Initiative (or the island?)

I don't know, but that is as likely as anything else I have heard.

That website's already been established as being a fan site and having nothing to do with the producers or the show. It was a cool little broadcast though.

I've seen that posted other threads, that its a fake site. But, how has that been established. I'm not disputing that it is, but just curious how you know. In any event, the broadcast is pretty freaking wierd. Any idea what its about?

Merging with existing Thread. :)

And now we have a satellite playing this little song: "Made a Wish Upon a Satellite" by a band named Creosote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creosote), on an album entitled "Black Smoke."

I Made A Wish Upon A Satellite
Words & Music - Jason Steed

I Made A Wish Upon A Star Tonight Hoping Everything Would Turn Out Right But As It Turns Out I Made A Wish Upon A Satellite And A Wish Upon A Satellite Is Futility In Exercise You Can’t Put It In Your Pocket When Your Star Is Never Falling And Every Star Won’t Shine So Bright Tonight Now My Satellite Is Gone Every Star Won’t Shine So Bright Tonight Satellite Where Have You Gone (Pretty Little Satellite I Thought You Were A Shooting Star Now I’m Trading In My Telescope For A Kaleidoscope)

Creosote is the name used for a variety of products: wood creosote, coal tar creosote, coal tar, coal tar pitch, and coal tar pitch volatiles. These products are mixtures of many chemicals such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (known as PAHs), phenol, and cresols created by high temperature treatment of beech and other woods, coal, or from the resin of the Creosote bush.

And then, irritatingly, it keeps loading my itunes...grrr...

Interestingly, over on TWoP they were dicussing the satellite 108 minute theory earlier this morning, and then we have this image.

And the morse code is "BE POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE"
which makes me think that they are telling folks that pushing a button every 108 minutes is not contacting a satellite. For those of you who were interested in that theory...
And, when someone played with the contrast of the photo after that message they got this (http://www.incrediblefulk.com/noaa.jpg):
NOAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noaa) is suddenly apparent.

"BE POSITIVE THINK NEGATIVE"

Could we be looking at another reference to reverse (mirror images) Polar opposites?

I have tried everything I have, and can't find the NOAA in the picture. Must have better software than me.

Also, someone was able to discern a lyre in the bunny in a beaker picture. They were able to put this together as a symbol of Apollo. The Swan is also a symbol of Apollo as is the arrow, which was seen in the logo of the tail section. (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg)

Apollo's other symbols include: the tripod -- a symbol of his prophetic powers; wolves, dolphins, a laurel crown, and plectrum. Will we be seeing any of these logos anytime soon?

And now we've got a page of fifteen rodent heads with a title "15." Will let you know if anyone can decode the image.

over at lost-forum.com, some very sleepy people have discovered that if you cross your eyes, 4 rows of squirrels instead of 3 appear

It's another game for us to play and gives us an idea of what Hanso, et al are up to. The Morse Code and images are a secret code for those who are managing the research project.

That's an interesting thought, but I think it is a way for those who are oppposed to whatever Hanso is doing to communicate with each other. The first post in this thread is a lengthy theory about just that--the Others are the Rodents of the Revolution, perhaps test subjects for Hanso, who have escaped, and they are using the site to communicate to other test subjects (and perhaps rebellious researchers) about their p[lans to take down Hanso.

At least in my humble opinon...

So, now the morse code translates into something like dashdotdotdashdotslash and so on. And then you have to translate the wirtten out dashes and dots and you get THINK.
THINK?
THINK? THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR ALL THAT?!? YOU RABBITS!! I tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that your little site is killing me is what I'm thinking. And that I'm going to lose interest in your silly games if you don't give those chipmunk heads some music. Or something.
Think. Hmmph.

Killing me. Makes me want to go rabbit hunting, just to get rid of a little bit of inner hostility that I am feeling.

:mad: :mad:

Be postive, think negative...Could this be about ABO grouping? B negative?

'Youve gotta maaaaaaaaake youre own kinda music, sing your own special sooooooong'

This is really growing on me!

That song totally needs a techno remix. It'd be the party hit of the fall!

oooh--I like that shootfire! Interesting...

oooh--I like that shootfire! Interesting...

Todell, I was thinking...LOL...if you have type A blood, you either got a pair of AA genes or a pair of AO genes. Boone was A-. Maybe he didn't belong, therefore he was the sacrifice the island demanded. It's genetic. NOAA = no AA :)

GASP!!

:ntworthy:

Can you believe, two layers of Morse code to get THINK? All the Morse code on the view source page adds up to THINK! LOL Whoever is the source of this little "game" sure thinks like the fiendish writers of this show.

Anyone think that the triangle thing on the mid-left of the 15 squirrels pic could be a shark's fin?

That's an interesting thought, but I think it is a way for those who are oppposed to whatever Hanso is doing to communicate with each other. The first post in this thread is a lengthy theory about just that--the Others are the Rodents of the Revolution, perhaps test subjects for Hanso, who have escaped, and they are using the site to communicate to other test subjects (and perhaps rebellious researchers) about their p[lans to take down Hanso.

At least in my humble opinon...


That does make more sense.

That song totally needs a techno remix. It'd be the party hit of the fall!

they should re-release it in time for christmas

Back to the swirlies and Mama Cass. Morse Code is still THINK, I think...

swirlies and a mix of the music from stairway to heaven and the words to gilligans island... weird and trippy to say the least. but the morse code is "succulent" I think as in succulent plants (plants that store water) it's the first site that pops up when I google it anyway... they'll just keep us guessing...

also what is the red stuff coming out of the image randomly? looks like a forked snake tounge to me.

it's 1:12 AM central time

From http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NymphaiHyades.html:

Quote:
Atlas by Pleione or an Oceanid had twelve daughters, and a son, Hyas. The son was killed by a wild boar or a lion, and the sisters, grieving for him, died of this grief. The five of them first put among the stars have their place between the horns of the bull - Phaesyla, Ambrosia, Coronis, Eudora, Polyxo - and are called, from their brother’s name, Hyades. In Latin they are called Suculae. Some say that since they are arranged in the form of the letter Upsilon they are called Hyades; some, they are so called because they bring rain when they rise, for to rain is hyein in Greek.

So...........
1) We're dealing with constellations yet again
2) bringing rain = weather control?

the red things look like antibody receptors

The song currently playing is "Stairway to Gilligan's Island" by 'Little Roger and the Goosebumps'. Found it on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Roger_and_the_Goosebumps

http://www.gilligansisle.com/stairway.html

And we're back to a red rabbit head with "Schizophrenic Baby" playing and "SUCULAE" still the morse code.

Back to swirlies, very strange porny music and a strange narration...

"Sometimes there's no place I'd rather be than on a tropical island. We seem to have it all to ourselves. Just me and my special lady. There are no phones to intrude on us. Fish from the water, fruits from the trees, and wonderful silence. The only sounds we hear are the sounds of nature, and of our hearts beating as one. And the only music is the music we make together."
ETA: I think this may be from "The Big Lebowski." looking to confirm...anyone know?

morse code is the same.

Polar bears, "Scizo Baby" and "SUCULAE" as morse code.
I don't think the snippet of dialouge was from The Big Lebowski after all.
Drat. I was all excited because there is a character named "Bunny" in it. But I can't find any evidence that that is where it came from. Oh well.

It's a palindrome, same when read backwards (mirrored).

And I've read that it is a code in and of itself. It could mean "month" or "moth." Don't know where I saw that...
Also, what is that background noise?

And here is a shot of what the smarty-pants at TWoP found in the image:

A scorpion. (http://incrediblefulk.com/polarbear_10-16.gif)

In mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpius#Mythology):

In many versions, however, Apollo sent the scorpion after Orion, having grown jealous of Artemis' attentions to the man. Later, to apologize for killing her friend, Apollo then helped Artemis hang Orion's image in the night sky. However, the scorpion was also placed up there, and every time it appears on the horizon, Orion starts to sink into the other side of the sky, still running from the attacker.

There have been so many Apollo references lately, that I figure this has to be relevant.

Okay- its official... I think whoever is making this site is putting a LOT of freaking effort into just... "throwing us lost fans off"

I read earlier that the site played A Stairway to Heaven\Gilligan's Island song. This site is tripping me out. Didn't Hurley's friend wear a Led Zepplin "Swan Song" t-shirt in the music story in EHH ep. Sorry, I don't have screencap for it. Can someone confirm this or please mail me some antipsychotic medication?

Donger: This (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=748&pos=346) is what I could find.

From over on lost-forum.com.....

https://www.thehansofoundation.org now just links back to http://www.thehansofoundation.org

Thanks for the screen cap. It was Led Zepplin’s Swan Song t-shirt. The picture on the shirt is of Icarus. Greek Mythology. The son of Daedalus who, in escaping from Crete on artificial wings made for him by his father, flew so close to the sun that the wax with which his wings were fastened melted, and he fell into the Aegean Sea.

Icarus was trying to escape an island...
And then I found this. HMS Icarus (D03) was an I-class destroyer…On on 29 November 1939, Icarus attacked and sank the U-35 while in company with the destroyers HMS Kingston and HMS Kashmir off the Shetland Islands….

She participated in the Second Battle of Narvik in April 1940, in the pursuit and destruction of the German battleship Bismarck in May 1941

I just keep thinking about when the cite when it posted “Narvik for Life.”

ooooh...interesting find, DOnger. Have you seen the World War II thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=21965)? That might be good to post over there.

Over on mrclucks.com the hidden messages include:

JACK WILL DI-
108 CYLCES OF 10-
POLAR BEAR FAKE D-
ARNOLD WILL FIND THE NOTC-
MAGNET BOMB TRIANGLE COORDINATES
BLACK SMOKE SIGNALS THE ARRIV-
HURLEY CA-

I don't know how many of you have been following this site, but it is an official Disney site that allows you to subscribe to their podcasts. Earlier they gave the clue Jack will di-- and then letters to spell out "JACK WILL DIP HIS TOES IN THE OCEAN."
The reason I include this on this thread is that when the site first came up, it was suggested that the site had been hacked by someone (not literally, but you get it...) Also, it used to have a little button at the bottom that would link you to a list of sites, one of which was entitled THE EXPERIMENT and that would take you to BS1.
sigh.
I wish they'd just update bigspaceship. I hope it's not over.

I know, Todell.

I was really enjoying the site.

This is about the longest it's been on one thing, and it ain't even the best one.

Do you suppose the sleeping polar bear is just meant to be a representation of the site "sleeping?" and that maybe it's not dead?
It was driving me crazy, but I kinda miss the crazy....

I'm not sure what it represents, except that I am like you.
I check the darned thing 25 times a day to see what's up there, and it's driving me crazy that they are just leaving this one up there.

The Latin phrase is killing me, and I can't figure it out.

I'm with you guys. This lull is killin' me.

Must do some work.....

Must be productive.....

Must forget about those &$%#&@ rabbits.......

Take a look at this link. Remember hearing that Norwegian resistance fighters prevented a delivery of heavy water to the Germans?

Isotopes: Heavy Water Ice Cubes (http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA2/MAIN/ICECUBE/CD2R1.HTM)


OK, I don't know from science to save my life, so I will need some help with this. I was looking at guerilla movements, and found that Briatin helped to orgainze that operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive) through a secret group that Churchill established:

In March of 1941 a group performing commando raids in Norway, Norwegian Independent Company 1 (NOR.I.C.1) was organized under leadership of Captain Martin Linge. Their initial raids in 1941 was Operation Archery), their best known raids were probably the Norwegian heavy water sabotage. Communication lines with London were gradually improved, so that in 1945, 64 radio operators were spread throughout Norway.

Alright, so that gets us back to heavy water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water); and the ice does not float clue, right? The Allies wanted to make sure the Germans didn't get their hands on the heaevy water because it can be used for nuclear weapons. However, it can also be used for something called nucelear magnetic resonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance). Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) is a physical phenomenon based upon the magnetic property of an atom's nucleus. NMR studies a magnetic nucleus, like that of a hydrogen atom, by aligning it with an external magnetic field and perturbing this alignment using an electromagnetic field. The response to the field (the perturbing), is what is exploited in NMR spectroscopy and magnetic resonance imaging.

Right. Here's where it is interesting. Someone on TWoP (and dagnabit I can't find it now) said that FeNO6 was a compound that is used in spectroscopy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy).
Spectroscopy is the study of spectra, that is, the dependence of physical quantities on frequency.

Spectroscopy is often used in physical and analytical chemistry for the identification of substances, through the spectrum emitted or absorbed. A device for recording a spectrum is a spectrometer. Spectroscopy can be classified according to the physical quantity which is measured or calculated or the measurement process.

Spectroscopy is also heavily used in astronomy.

(This (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:CDUi106diJ4J:www.nsls.bnl.gov/newsroom/publications/activityreport/1998/CH1547.PDF+FeNO6+spectroscopy&hl=en) is all I could find to link the two. If someone knows something more, it would be helpful. Any N.E.R.D.S. out there?)

So, all those constellation clues (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22383), heavy water, 2FeNO6 and spectroscopy? Oh, and Norweigans? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?

Just wanted to add that someone smarter than me found this site (http://www.chilton.com/scripts/radio/R8-receiver) on shortwave radio broadcasts, and thought the sound that is currently on BS1 sounds a bit like a station with nothing being broadcast. With a lot of pirate radio broadcasts, the transmissions are very brief, with large periods of static. Could we just be in a static period? If so, what does the scorpion mean?

Come back, BS1!

Go to oceanicairlines.com immediately.

Lower Than Ground?

Lyrics (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Jed's-Other-Poem-Beautiful-Ground-lyrics-Grandaddy/602043386154D73E48256D4C00251B8B) here:


Apparently before Jed had left us
He wrotes some poems
Wrote them for no-one
I guess I'll show them
Here's one of Jed's poems

You said I'd wake up dead drunk
Alone in the park
I called you a liar
But how right you were
Air conditioned TV land, 20 grand
Walk to the bank
With shakes from the night before
Staring at the tiki floor
High school wedding ring
Keys are under the mats
Of all the houses here
But not motels
I try to sing it funny like Beck
But it's bringing me down
Lower than ground
Beautiful ground
Beautiful ground

Test tones and failed
Clones and odd parts made you

All I get is a quicktime logo. Is the song playing for you, or what?

Just wait a little. It will start.

So, oceanicairlines.com took the video down, but if you missed it, you can see it here (http://www.stewdio.org/jed/).

And now oceanicairlines.com has changed. We are going back to a message being spelled out, it looks like. And the title is "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

Hmmm...

RIght. So it's a quote from Empire Strikes Back, from Darth Vader to Lando. Which brings me back to my original theory about oceanicairlines.com, which is that it is a means for the conspirators behind the Dharma Initiative to communicate with each other, like BS1 was a means for the rabbits to communicate. Does that mean there is a double agent among the rabbits?

For those keeping track, oceanicairlines.com now says ACT
But I'm starting to feel like I'm talking to myself in here...

Hellooooo?

is that an official website? i dont think so...

No more official or unofficial than bigspaceshp1.com.

And because I am distracted by Astros, I missed oceanicairlines.com changed to ACTING, with a countdown clock that seems to be counting down to next week's episode.

Now, nothing.

Is the rodent revolution dead? Has the bipolar polar bear fallen into a depressive comatose state?I hope not. I've really hope not.
This morning I was driving a buddy to work and started thinking about my tire pressure and when was the last time I checked it. I started laughing like an idiot. My buddy looked at me like I lost my mind. I guess I did. I'll miss you... Thanks Commander Bunny or whoever you were, you nut job.

an Australian kangaroo/fox.)

This is an official lost website (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/index.php). Yawn. There are some Dharma logos on it (is that the Dharma crow logo at the bottom?), but that's about the most interesting thing. This is why bigspaceship1.com and oceanicairlines.com are so interesting. They don't have the stamp of ABC all over them, and they remain somewhat mysterious--

Anyway.

Also, a list of some Dharma logos (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/dharma_progression.gif) so far. Interesting.

More stuff on the site:
Other items that I found, for those that might be interested.
Ticket (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/easteregg.gif) Cat Bird on a Stick? Flute with no holes?

Will make you happy. (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/willmakeyouhappy.jpg) ignore the dates? Alright. This is a joke: the code spells out Tom Aire is French for Your Mom.
425 (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/425.jpg) I'd buy that for a dollar.

Now-here is a Catbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowerbird), or also known as a "bowerbird" --catbird on a stick?

Bowerbirds and catbirds make up the family Ptilonorhynchidae. All are small to medium in size and their distribution is centered around the tropical northern part of Australia-New Guinea.

Their most notable characteristic is the extraordinarily complex behaviour of males, which build a bower to attract mates: a collection of look-alike objects that are carefully collected, sorted, and arranged by colour into spectacular structures, often including some hundreds of shells, leaves, flowers, stones or berries. This has led some researchers to regard the bowerbirds as the most advanced of any species of bird.

Though bowerbirds have traditionally been regarded as closely related to the birds of paradise, recent DNA-DNA hybridisation studies suggest that while both families are part of the great corvid radiation that took place in or near Australia-New Guinea, the bowerbirds are more distant from the birds of paradise than was once thought. Sibley's landmark DNA studies placed them close to the lyrebirds; however, anatomical evidence appears to contradict this and the true relationship remains unclear.


Lyrebirds? Corvid family? Like the Corvus constellation?

ETA:It's looking like it is a fake site, but I'm still flumoxed by the catbird reference--simply because it does fit into the Apollo constellations so well.
Bah.

There's also a link to zombo.com in the word "dreams." It looks like some weird hypnotist, brainwashing site.

Under the word "retailer" is a link here: http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/message/index.php?c=8 Some new forum...

And, almost my favorite just because, a link to www.atlasthosting.com under the word "afford."

what. the. hell?

seems the one on 10/21/2005 translates to
"IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE ET CONSUMIMUR IGNI"
This sentence is a riddle in the form of a palindrome -- literally a puzzle inside a puzzle. This particular sentence is called "the devil's verse".
The sentence is difficult to translate because the anonymous Roman author had to use words in uncommon senses in order to make a palindrome. Yet, given that the palindrome is a riddle, it is easy to pick out bad translations.

The answer is a kind of animal. The animal in question has feet but walking is not its best known mode of transportation. Thus, any translation containing the word "walk" is immediately wrong.

People who haven't studied Latin should still be able to pick out the words "night", "consume" and "fire", which could make them think that the sentence has some sort of dark, evil meaning.

Interestingly enough, nox and ignis are both third declension i*stem nouns. nocte is ablative, and igni is dative, which I think are both the correct cases for their usages. Ablative case marks a location. Dative case marks an indirect object (or the agent of a passive construction).

in means "in", and et means "and".

imus means "we go". It is the first*person plural present indicative form of the verb ire "to go".

girum is hard to translate. It can be taken as the accusative singular form of the noun girus, but the catch is that girus was not a commonly used word in classic Latin. gyrus is a second declension masculine noun meaning circle, cycle, ring, orbit, or course. The derived giro in Italian means tour, turn, or circle. Spanish splits the meanings into gira for tour and giro for turn. ("Sunflower" in Spanish is girasol.) Since in followed by the accusative means "into", the desired meaning of girum is probably "circle".

Putting it together so far, in girum imus nocte means "we go into the circle by night".

consumimur is a first*person plural present passive form, so consumimur igni means "we are consumed by fire".

KalykoKatt: The zoomba.com site is strange... constant reiteration of "zoomba.com will make all your dreams come true. zoomba.com will satisfy your wildest dreams..." and so on.
But, it reminded me of TIb's recent clue about "dream weavers..."

Also, someone over on TWoP seems to think the catbird logo looks a lot like the thing that flashes over Marvin Candle's head in the Orientation filmstrip, and if you watch the filmstrip, you'll see it on the building, once in black, and then in white...I wish I could get a screencap of it. I don't know.
Apparently, if you go to that millionaireplayboy.com (http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/message/viewtopic.php?p=12297#12297) site, there is someone there who seems to be taking credit for the site, and said cryptic things on their forum like "we're about to get some company." And then there is an explanation (http://www.millionaireplayboy.com/message/viewtopic.php?t=1738&highlight=cat+bird+stick) of the whole catbird on a stick thing. But here's the thing. Count me as being stubbornly gullible, but I still don't think this is absolutely false. The description of catbird that I posted above seems to fit too nicely with the rest of the Apollo clues, it does look like what was on Marvin's head...I don't know.
I thought that I should post the information that suggests that it is a fake. Do with it what you will.

Merging with existing thread.

Fellow Rodents! Look at this. (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/21/smart.rat.reut/index.html)

Cunning rat outsmarts scientists
Rodent eludes capture for 4 months

Friday, October 21, 2005; Posted: 10:57 a.m. EDT (14:57 GMT)

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A rat released on a deserted island off New Zealand outsmarted scientists and evaded traps, baits and sniffer dogs before being captured four months later on a neighboring island, researchers said on Wednesday.

Scientists from the University of Auckland in New Zealand released the Norway rat on the 23.5-acre island of Motuhoropapa to find out why rats are so difficult to eradicate.

They got more than they bargained for.

"Our findings confirm that eliminating a single invading rat is disproportionately difficult," James Russell and his colleagues said in a report in the science journal Nature.

Despite all their efforts, including fitting the rat with a radio collar, they couldn't catch the crafty creature.
Just an aside while we await our rodents to come back. But it goes to show you, test subjects can be craftier than you think...
Also, 23.5 acre island? Later in the article they say the rat swam 400 meters. It evaded capture for 4 months? It's off the coast of New Zealand? And it's a Norway rat? I'm not entirely certain this isn't a fake story put out by the Lost creators!

Or am I the only one still interested in this site?

Nope. I'm still here. Does the beep sound like the hatch's counter to anyone else?

There's a hidden message (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard014ip.png) in the image. It deciphers to: "FAMA NIHIL EST CELERIUS" which is "Nothing spreads faster than rumor."

In no way do I suggest that this is some sort of grand unifying theory, but I've got a couple ideas about where some of this may be going.

First, a number of these ideas are based solely on the information found at these two sites:

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html
and
http://bigspaceship1.com/

This last page was apparently hidden on the Hanso Foundation site--just to bring those of you unfamiliar with it up to speed.

As we know the hatch was part of some experiment being conducted by the Hanso Foundation. It was the Dharma Initiative. I think that this project was the unification of the seven "official" projects that Hanso was working on:

and the end result was to be some sort of supersoldier, but this is just purely based on the fact that Hanso made his name as an arms dealer in the past. Why should we believe that he has actually changed his ways?

But that's not what's really important. Everything we've seen on the island that is strange, with the exception of the "security system" and the hatch; i.e., the Others, the polar bears, the black swarms, the sickness and even the numbers themselves are parts of the project that have escaped.

The Others were test subjects: probably in the eugenics experiments, and this is where we get our twins. Some escaped, maybe with the help of some rebellious researchers (who perhaps discovered the truth about the project that they were working on) sometime pre-filmstrip, and thus the security measures that Dharma temporarily put in place. But perhaps the ones who got out kept attacking the project trying to free the other subjects in other stations. They call themselves "Rabbits" as in test bunnies. Thus the website "bigspaceship1.com" up there. Listen to it. He's calling all rabbits (of the rebellion?) and giving them a secret message via numbers. The researchers eventually fled or were removed by the Hanso organization (or were killed), leaving the "rabbits" to the island, and the Dharma Initiative was abandoned. Maybe the rabbits released the individual experiments as a means of attacking the Hanso researchers: the polar bears (which are part of the cryogenics experiment), the swarms (which I think have something to do with the electromagnetic experiment, but don't hold me to it), the sickness even (which is part of the extra-terrestrial experiment--it rode in on a meteoroid, and is technically an extra-terrestrial life form). All released. And now roaming the island.

But, Hanso still has a problem, because during the original "incident" some of the rebellious researchers got out into the real world, and perhaps some of their work did too. Hanso has to collect the projects and hide them away from the world. Maybe destroy them.

This is where it starts to become a little unclear for me; but I definitely think that Christian was a part of the Dharma Initiative, and probably a researcher for it. He works on the "Life-Extension" project, and tests it on himself, making himself immortal. AND thus he is the "White Rabbit." Jack actually saw him alive, and Christian is making his way to go be with the other rabbits.

What if Michael's father was also a researcher for the project and somehow has passed down some "remote viewing" capabilities to his offspring? And Locke? Could he have been a part of the eugenics experiment, and somehow his mother managed to get him out of the project? The Rabbits release "The Numbers" which are a part of the Mathematical Forecasting project over the radio airwaves maybe looking for help, or as a message to other Rabbits in other locations, and they eventually find their way to Hurley. But Hanso can not allow all these loose ends of Dharma to be out in the world. And thus they send them back to the island. They are somehow responsible for getting the remaining rabbits (including, but by no means an exclusive list: Locke, Walt, Aaron, Christian, Hurley* and maybe Vincent?) onto the plane and having it crash on the island.
*Actually, I don't know if they actively were after Hurley, but they certainly knew of him after he won the lottery

I have no idea how the plane crashed. I do not know why some people were on the flight. I do not know why they survived. But I do know that most of the lostaways did not buy their own tickets, and were not supposed to be on that flight. Also, if Hanso were actively trying to collect the projects that were out there, it might help to explain all the emphasis on adoption---they are actively trying to collect Walt and Aaron. And maybe at one time Alex?

One last thought: in this scenario, maybe the Others or "Rabbits" are not bad, and when they abducted Walt, they did so to protect him from whatever it is that Hanso has planned. The real bad guys in this scenario is Hanso. They are the evil empire, and the Others are just members of the rebellion.

Like I said, I don't have all the pieces, and I suspect this will all fall apart once Wednesday's episode airs, but I can't shake the feeling that we've got some sort of rebellion going on here. I welcome any thoughts, criticisms, and ideas

ETA: They've changed the site. It no longer plays the rabbit/swirly message. For those of you who did not see it, it can be seen here (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lost2sl.swf), although the entirety of the message can't be heard. Anyone get a cap of it whole?

This is the best theory I have read so far. Brilliant! I like it!

Thanks, ESP!

Thanks, ESP!

I really like this theory as well. As I read it, I was trying to place tie-ins with some of Tib's clues. Have you tried to run thru the theory with Tib's nuggets in mind?

SImplist: thanks! Tiberius's clues have actually given me a number of ideas. Mainly, his war/battle clues, the suggestion that some sort of fight is coming, the idea that 7 somethings come together to make something terrible. Every time he posts, I think about it. Also, he had a number of children clues, sins of the fathers and so on. I am pretty sure this is a reference to the subjects (both crash survivors and island rabbits) being the victims of something their fathers (literal and figurative) have done, i.e. use them for some grand experiment. I've been hesitiant to bring Tib's clues over into other threads because it can degnerate into "who is this Tiberius guy? Why do you believe his clues?" and blah blah blah, and I hate getting into it. But. I always think about how his clues could fit into a rebellion storyline. Maybe I'll start working them in....

A thread that I do think is very important to the gerenal rabbit theory is Brian is With the Others (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=17520), which helps tie in the idea that other people on the outside world were orchestrating to get some of the crash survivors onto the plane without their knowledge. Who are these people? Are they working for Hanso?

Here is a new Hanso film (http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html)floating around on the internet. There is some dispute about its veracity. Javi warned against fake Hanso films.

passanger 23F:
whats will all the websites, which ones are real

www.bigspaceship1.com
the dharma ones
the chicken one

help
people are messing with us

Javi:
are you actually asking me to take all the fun out of this? no! you can't be! part of what makes lost so great for us is the life it has taken on for itself... i'll tell you this, though, beware of fake hanso films!

beware!

javi

But it is really professional and well-made. So make of it what you will. Also, note that he does not deny bigspaceship1. Just a thought.

And jmberger pulled out the logos here (http://www.egoplex.com/dharmalogos.jpg). Interesting stuff.

Here is my early thought on the Hanso film:

A. it isn't a "fake" in the sense that a fan made it
B: Javi isn't lying in that it is a "fake Hanso" film
because
C: It is Hanso propaganda

BS1: Now the three red polar bears, "Willie the Bi-polar Polar Bear" song, and the morse code is the same. IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE ET CONSUMIMUR IGNI
"in circles we spin nightly and are consumed by fire"

I couldn't stop listening to the song! HELP! :lol:

Back to bunny in a beaker; "rodent reveloution" and the same morse code.
Why isn't the code changing? Is it some sort of message to the Others to attack at night maybe?

new image - backwards 23
looks like rubber stamps or dies used in newspaper printing
23 paired chromosomes?

ETA black and white and red (read) all over?
a newspaper

genetic code? is that what the code at the top is referring to somehow?
I can't make out all the lyrics to the song, but I could hear:
Everyone's afraid of me.
People scream EEEEKKKK when they see me.
Does anyone have a mirror.
Have our rabbits been altered somehow and are now quite scary?
Wererabbit maybe?

I'm going to have that song in my head the whole rest of the day! :p

:eek: My favorite part... "I think I'm working myself into a frenzy!"


Likelylost: Combined with the shot of those "other children" last eppy, I think you're right with the chromosome thing. Those children are definitely altered somehow...

It's even better than that: I think it's a song being sung by a shark, but I can't find lyrics anywhere.

I think I'm a tyrant of the sea, everyone's everyone's afraid of me.
I wish I could see what they see, does anyone have a mirror?
I think of myself as cuddly, I think I'm as nice as a shark can be.
People scream "EEE!" when they see me, does anyone have a mirror?
Even when I smile most graciously, everyone everyone swims from me.
I wish I could see what they see, does anyone have a mirror?
La la la la la
I think I working myself into a frenzy!

At least I think these are the lyrics.
Poor shark.
Poor bi-polar polar bears...

Also, it looks like there are some strange whitish dots on the 23. I'm sure someone will break down the image soon...

Oooh, I've been looking all over for the lyrics also..

I thought it said: I think I'm a pirate...

Made me think of the Tiberius thread, but you're probably right in it being tyrant.

I am almost positive those white dots were not there when I first looked at the image.
I was thinking of the black and white and red all over riddle, and noticed there wasn't much white in the image. I don't think I overlooked those dots, but I guess I could have.
My point is, however, maybe more dots will appear. I am going to keep an eye on it and see if more appear.

Oooh Oooh!!! I just figured it out. The dots are the constellations Orion in the upper right and the big dipper (ursa major) in the lower left.

Mr. Kaly says that the mirror is like the flipped ursa major constellation in the first series. (don't remember which eppy)

ETA: Good transcription of the lyrics Todell. I think you're definitely right as I listen again.

When I copied the picture into “paint” and changed it to black and white, I also got the constellations, but don’t know enough about astronomy to figure them out.

At http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3127338&st=1740 (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3127338&st=1740[/COLOR)/ they are also discussing BS1. Page 116 of the forum suggests that there might be a game going on in connection with the show and links to an interesting article at http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/...nning_the_show/. (http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/...nning_the_show/.) If it requires you to register you can go to bugmenot.com (http://bugmenot.com/) for instructions.

I've been away from a computer for a few days. Looks like I missed some things.

Thanks to all you Rabbit Theorists for keeping this thread as up to date as it is.

Have to catch back up today.

Hey there Captain! Good to see you!

Here is the image of the white dots (http://img477.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard013xo.png) isolated against a black background and flipped horizontally (I suppose to get the mirror image). The top maybe Orion, and the bottom one of the dippers? It looks like the constellation that caused so much controversy this summer on the boards. Let me go back and try to find a cap...

And here is that screencap (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b275/elgmns/lostep051128.jpg) that I mentioned. Interesting. On BS1, we seem to have lost a star. And it's all upside down and flipped. Sigh. I don't know what to make of this.

Here's (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=479658&postcount=987) what bigmouth found about the stars a while back. It's interesting, but I don't know how it applies to this...

Where do they get these songs! It's worse today than the last. Makes me not want to look in a mirror EEEEk!:biggrin:

They think I'm the tyrant of the sea
everyone everyone afraid of me
wish i could see just what they see
does anyone have a mirror
i think of myself as cuddly
cute and nice as a shark can be
but people scream
EEEk when they see me
does anyone have a mirror
Even when I smile most graciously
everyone everyone afraid of me
wish i could see just what they see
does anyone have a mirror
i think of myself as cuddly
cute and nice as a shark can be
but people scream
EEEEk when they see me
does anyone have a mirror
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
does anyone have a mirror
does anyone have a mirror
I think I've worked myself in to a frenzy
does anyone have a mirror
does anyone have a mirror

My 15-month old LOVES the song. Fussing at me right now because I don't have it playing.
It kind of reminds me of Finding Nemo (actually, a lot of the raft story does--father looking for his missing son, who was taken away on a boat -- by a scientist (dentist), and he has to try to get him back) with the sharks who are recovering carnivores.Maybe I just have Mommy brain.

Alright. I have no idea what this is now. Looks like a flag? Fluttering? With, are those almonds? 216 somethings... Geez...
It's an optical illusion, like the swirlies. They look like they're moving, but they aren't.
I wonder what that means...

This is the second example of what is know as "peripheral drift illusion" that we have seen. The first, the rotating snakes, is even more impressive, I believe. The images we see are stationery; it is our mind that makes them move. If I stare at the rotating snakes, I can NOT get them all to stop moving. I mean they all "seem" to keep moving. With the latest illusion, if I stare at the image without moving my eyes, I can get it to stop moving. But as soon as I let my eyes move over the image, the begins to shimmer and flutter.
So...why? Why these images?
It's all about perception?

He's correct. It is not an animation, even though it is a .GIF file. There is only one frame in the file, so it is not actually moving.

Pretty cool, though.

They look like almonds.

I think they're trying to tell us we're all NUTS! :harhar1:

no morse code or music?

no morse code or music?

Nope, just the field of nuts, swaying gently in the breeze. :cool:

is this the first time there was no morse code?

is this the first time there was no morse code?

I'm not sure.

It's the first time I've seen it without, but I stumbled on the site thanks to Todell and this thread.

I think it's the first time there's been no music or morse code. I know it changes pretty frequently so I could be wrong. I mean just a couple of hours ago it had the shark song on, so who knows. Darn people trying to mess with us. Like we don't have enough rolling around up there! :)

It might be the first time with no Morse, but it is definitely not the first time with no music. Last week there were pictures but no music, but they all had Morse. If there was ever a time with no Morse, (before now, that is) I am not aware of it.

This is the first time I've seen this site, when I first clicked on it I thought is was a bunch of tiny wooden boats. But they could be nuts.

I think it's the first time there's been no music or morse code. I know it changes pretty frequently so I could be wrong. I mean just a couple of hours ago it had the shark song on, so who knows. Darn people trying to mess with us. Like we don't have enough rolling around up there! :)

its just mean

i asked javi this

whats will all the websites, which ones are real
www.bigspaceship1.com (http://www.bigspaceship1.com/)
the dharma ones

the chicken one

help
people are messing with us

this was the responce

are you actually asking me to take all the fun out of this? no! you can't be! part of what makes lost so great for us is the life it has taken on for itself... i'll tell you this, though, beware of fake hanso films!

beware!

ja

So, we are to gather from that, that it is a "actual" site. They do sites for a bunch of studios. Could be.

Pebbles, I'm going with nuts. Considering we've had bi-polar polar bears and a shark in a frenzy, and goodness knows what before that, they all seem to lean towards needing to be checked into Santa Rosa :)

Little boats = illusion
The island = illusion

kung fu zoo
I agree that something is an illusion.
I thought perhaps the Others walking by Michael and Mistereko were holograms.
Maybe they are illusions, that peripheral drift thing.
Or, maybe it is the island. I need to think on that a bit.

For what it's worth:

The current picture up on Bigspaceship is an optical illusion created by Akiyoshi Kitaoka.
http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/saishin2e.html (All the way at the bottom)

It is called Dongurakokko (The donguri wave). Donguri means acorn.



More about it's creator:
Akiyoshi KITAOKA, born in Japan in 1961 is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the Department of Psychology, College of Letters, Ritsumeikan University, Kyoto, Japan. He received B.Sc. from the Department of Biology, University of Tsukuba, Tsukuba, Japan in 1984, and received Ph.D. (Doctor of Education) from the Institute of Psychology, University of Tsukuba in 1991. He has studied visual illusion extensively including geometrical illusions, lightness illusions, color illusions, motion illusions and so on. Before starting to investigate visual illusions, he had studied animal psychology, specializing in various subjects such as burrowing behavior in rats at the University of Tsukuba, and neurophysiology on inferotemporal cortex of monkeys at the Tokyo Metropolitan Institute for Neuroscience.http://www.kanzen.jp/trick-eyes/tepe.html



There are also 216 acorns. 108 x 2?

What d'ya know, dizzy? He also created The Rotating Snakes (http://www.psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/rotsnakee.html) (or as I like to call them, the swirlies...)
Must look into this more...good catch!

I was perusing to find out more about Kitaoka and I happened upon "Alice in Wonderland" syndrome. (White Rabbit anyone?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome

Alice in Wonderland syndrome (AIWS), or micropsia, is a disorienting neurological condition which affects human visual perception.

Sufferers perceive objects (including animals and other humans, or parts of humans, animals, or objects) as appearing substantially smaller or larger than in reality. Generally, the object appears far away or extremely close at the same time. For example, a family pet, such as a dog, may appear the size of a mouse, or a normal car may look shrunk to scale. This leads to another name for the condition, namely, Lilliput sight or Lilliputian hallucinations. The condition is in terms of perception only; the mechanics of the eye are not affected, only the brain's interpretation of information passed from the eyes.

The syndrome is associated with, and perhaps in part caused by, the classical migraine headache.

Small children, usually between the ages of five and ten, form a large proportion of those afflicted by spontaneous temporary micropsia. Micropsia tends to occur during darkness, when the brain lacks visual size references.

Micropsia does not only affect visual perception, but also one's hearing, sense of touch, and sometimes one's own body image; the syndrome continues even when the eyes are closed. Peripheral symptoms include anxiety, apraxia, and agnosia.

Headaches and whispers?? Occurs mostly in the dark? hmmm...very interesting...

For what it's worth:

The current picture up on Bigspaceship is an optical illusion created by Akiyoshi Kitaoka.
http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/saishin2e.html (All the way at the bottom)

It is called Dongurakokko (The donguri wave). Donguri means acorn.

Hey! Acorns! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorns)

Acorns take about 6 or 24 months (depending on the species) to mature and appear only on adult trees, and thus are often a symbol of patience and the fruition of long, hard labor. For example, an English proverb states that Great oaks from little acorns grow, urging the listener to wait for maturation of a project or idea. A German folktale has a farmer outwit Satan, to whom he has promised his soul, by asking for a reprieve until his first crop is harvested; he plants acorns and has many years to enjoy first. In Britain, one old tradition has it that if a woman carries an acorn on her person it will delay the ageing process and keep her forever young.

Also, for you Questors out there: Tiberius recently gave us a clue that reference the "Age of Man" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ages_of_Man)

Note the Golden Age:

The Golden Age - This took place during the reign of Cronus. Peace and harmony prevailed during this age. Humans did not grow old, but died peacefully. Spring was eternal and people were fed on acorns from a great oak as well as wild fruits and honey that dripped from the trees. This race eventually died out.

Patience, a Golden Age, Eternal Life...hmmm....

Or, they could be almonds.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond#Cultural_aspects)
The almond is highly revered in some cultures. Among the Hebrews, it was a symbol of watchfulness and promise due to its early flowering, while the Chinese consider it a symbol of enduring sadness and female beauty. Christian symbolism often uses almond branches as a symbol of the Virgin Birth of Jesus; paintings often include almonds encircling the baby Jesus and as a symbol of Mary. In the Bible, Aaron is chosen among the other tribes of Israel by a rod that brought forth almond flowers. In a similar legend, Pope Urban once declared that a man named Tannhauser would not receive forgiveness until his wooden staff bloomed again. This occurred after three days, but Tannhauser could not be found. The nut of the tree has also been used a preventative for alcohol intoxication. Folklore claims that almonds are poisonous for foxes. The tree grows in Syria and Israel, and is referred to in the Bible under the name of "Shaked", meaning "hasten". The word "Luz", which occurs in Genesis 30:37, and which some translations have as "hazel", is supposed to be another name for the almond. In Palestine the tree flowers in January. The application of "Shaked" or "hasten" to the almond is similar to the use of the name "May" for the hawthorn, which usually flowers in that month in Britain. The rod of Aaron, mentioned in Numbers 17, was taken from an almond tree. Today, Jews still carry rods of almond blossom to the synagogues on great festival days. The fruit of the almond supplied a model for certain kinds of ornamental carved work (Exodus 25:33-34; 37:19-20).

I thought they looked like almonds from the beginning.

Makes sense.

And, illusions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion) (sorry if you'd thought there was some sort of update...I'm just killing time until they change the page)...

In psychiatry the term illusion refers to a specific form of sensory distortion. Unlike an hallucination, which is a sensory experience in the absence of a stimulus, an illusion describes a distortion of a perception so it is understood and interpreted differently. For example, hearing voices regardless of the environment would be an hallucination, whereas hearing voices which arise only from the sound of running water (or other auditory source) would be an illusion.

How often do they change the page?

How often do they change the page?

Sometimes a page stays there a couple of hours.

Sometimes it stays there several days (lately, anyway)

You just never know.

You have to check early, and check often. :biggrin:

One more bit about almonds (sigh. still no update.). I knew about the vescia piscis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_Piscis) being an important symbol, and not just by Christians:

It was used by many mystical religions, such as that of Pythagoras, who considered it a holy figure. The mathematical ratio of its width (measured to the endpoints of the "body", not including the "tail") to its height was believed by such groups to be 265:153. This ratio, equal to 1.73203, was thought of as a holy number, called the measure of the fish. The geometric ratio of these dimensions is actually the square root of 3, or 1.73205... (since if you draw straight lines connecting the centres of the two circles with each other, and with the two points where the circles intersect, then you get two equilateral triangles joined along an edge, as shown in light red in the diagram). The fraction 265:153 is a ratio of whole numbers under 1000 which approximates the square root of 3 (though 362:209 and 989:571 are actually closer approximations). The number 153 appears in the Gospel of John as the exact number of fish Jesus causes to be caught in a miraculous catch of fish, and is thought by some to be a coded reference to Pythagorean beliefs.

Other uses of the shape include that by some early religions of the almond-shaped central area as a representation of the female genitals, and use of a similar fish symbol called the Ichthys by early Christians. In Christian art, some aureoles are in the shape of a vesica piscis, and the seals of ecclesiastical organizations can be enclosed within a vesica piscis (instead of the more usual circular enclosure).
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but until now, I didn't catch the "almond" (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit9/unit9.html) reference. Interestingly, I thought I saw Helen wearing a necklace (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=737&pos=357) of the same shape. Could she be a rabbit? Sent to protect Locke, perhaps?

They are contantly changing that website!!!

This was one of the top two theories i've read so far. Brilliant thinking bud!

(since if you draw straight lines connecting the centres of the two circles with each other, and with the two points where the circles intersect, then you get two equilateral triangles joined along an edge, as shown in light red in the diagram)


Okay, so I read that several times without really noticing, then ~Eureka~ it fell into place with a theory I have been ruminating over. The phrase "two equalateral triangles joined along an edge" really screamed out to me, as that also has to do with Lagrangian points. Imagine two large heavenly bodies, one revolving around the other (for example the Earth and the Sun, or the Earth and the moon or Mars and the Sun, etc.) Each mass has a certain amount of gravity, and at certain points the gravity from both masses cancels out each other. One might represent that by drawing two circles intercecting each other (representing gravity of the two bodies) and drawing a line through both circles at the widest point. Then, if you want to get all Christian-like, you can draw another line between the points at which the circles intercect (making a cross). Wherever you have lines crossing, would represent the five places at which one could park a space station (or spaceship) with out much interference from one of the two masses.

Just interesting that something so steeped in history and the church would end up falling in place with physics. For more on Lagrange points: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lagpoint.html

kfz: about two weeks ago they posted a photo of a satellite. This is the negative (http://www.incrediblefulk.com/noaa.jpg) of the image, where you can make out NOAA in the corner. Originally it was all red and black. They also played this song: "I Made a Wish upon a Satellite," (http://www.nowpublishingnow.com/creosote/bslyrics/satellite.htm) by a band naed Creosote (which means a black coal-like rock) from their album Black Smoke.

Oh! and looky here about Creosote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creosote):
Brief direct contact with large amounts of coal tar creosote may result in a rash or severe irritation of the skin, chemical burns of the surfaces of the eyes, convulsions and mental confusion, kidney or liver problems, unconsciousness, and even death. Longer direct skin contact with low levels of creosote mixtures or their vapors can result in increased light sensitivity, damage to the cornea, and skin damage. Longer exposure to creosote vapors can cause irritation of the respiratory tract.

Hmmm....skin rash? mental confusion?

Rabbits?

kfz: about two weeks ago they posted a photo of a satellite. This is the negative (http://www.incrediblefulk.com/noaa.jpg) of the image, where you can make out NOAA in the corner. Originally it was all red and black. They also played this song: "I Made a Wish upon a Satellite," (http://www.nowpublishingnow.com/creosote/bslyrics/satellite.htm) by a band naed Creosote (which means a black coal-like rock) from their album Black Smoke.

Oh! and looky here about Creosote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creosote):


Hmmm....skin rash? mental confusion?

Interesting stuff Todell. Well, NOAA satellites are pretty close to the Earth, relatively speaking, than the LaGrange points that I mentioned. The closest L points to the Earth are about 250,000 - 300,000 miles away, and Weather satellites are anywhere from about 150 - 22,500 miles from the surface of the Earth.

I have my own little crackpot theory regarding the Losties, and what you have given me somewhat reinforces my theory. Thanks. If you are interested in reading my rantings, my thread is: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22326

Thanks again, Todell. It is nice to meet someone on the threads that compiles info so well and present it to those that are reading it (especially without insulting or flaming).

Happy Losting!:cool:

Anyone notice that one half of the "nutshell" is white and the other is black?