I have been watching since day one. The past two episodes - especially last night's - have left me feeling empty? bored? annoyed? not sure what the best adjective would be, but simply put, I was very VERY dissappointed with last night's show. I understand the writers need to do things to set up for future episodes and such, but come on! Aside from the second hatch and the fact that her Rose's hubby is alive (woo-hoo!), what did they really give us? Poured concrete signifying the island contains a nuclear reactor (and when has Sayid been to Chernobyl anyway?) and a preview for next week that shows these so-called "others." They can do much much better. They didn't even plant seeds for thought as they did with Walt in episode one, the polar bear Michael gave him when he was saying goodbye in the flashback, and other similar happenings. They did elude to the 23 survivors and the likelihood that they are dead - probably from the "sickness" the french woman and Desmond spoke of - but they can do more. After seemingly speeding things up with episode 2 this year, they seem to be dragging us through episodes that reveal little and create little.

And finally, why in the world would Jin - a man trained in all sorts of martial arts (as shown in his season one flashback) not attempt to hit that woman or man when they were all finally removed from the pit? And why would they follow her lead?

Just thoughts I'm having, I do like this show, but needed to rant a bit - sorry if it's a bit disjointed too -thoughts come when they come.

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This was the episode where Hurley finds Peace...

That's a very insightful reply. But that could be a sub-plot. You don't feel empty after this episode?

Jin can't speak English. He'll be scared, not even knowing what his 'friends' want him to do. What if he attacked them when Sawyer and Michael didn't want him to? What if Ana shoots him?

That may be true, but if you noticed, when AL hit Sawyer after he was removed from the pit, Jin made a gesture towards her and Shaft put an arm up as if to stop him from advancing. That said, Jin may not speak English, but he can tell from the situation that they are not free. Remember, he was the first to be captured and came running with his arms bound, he does trust Mike and Sawyer, as he got on a raft with them, and finally, the gun was tucked in her belt, not pointed at him or any of them. It would be very easy for him to attack and disarm her.

I just can't buy it that these three guys are going to follow one man and two women, whose primary weapon is a gun with ONE bullet. Doesn't fit.

They let their curiosity get the best of them. They want answers. They couldn't get them from Ethan...so I think they just wanted to see what happened. Looks like it was worth the wait.

Didn't the Island man also have a big knife or machette or something? Also, Michael seems ok with the situation, (when he comes up to the opening and tells Sawyer they are ok) so maybe that made Jin more ok with not getting all kung fu on AL. That's a good question for the actor who plays Jin.
It is too bad you were disappointed with last night's episode. I thought it was kinda a laid back ep. (perfect for Hurley).I thought it had some GREAT dialogue and camera work in it.
As far as the concrete being poured.. haha no, Sayid has not been to Chernobyl, since it's still uninhabbitable, but it's not unbelievable that someone would know that concrete was poured over it. Also, it is important that the audience realize the power of whatever it is in that hatch.
I agree this was mostly a set up episode (finding out what happened to all the other survivors from the tail section, what hatch are they in, and of course all the previous questions we had before) but I pretty much assume every episode is a set up episode, so it doesn't really bother me. I mean, how many answers did we get the first season? not a lot.

...and how many answers have we gotten this season, a lot. I like the way the show is going, not disappointed at all. :biggrin:

If they've truly lost 18ish, it might make sense for some extreme dictatorship having emerged (perhaps someone "strong" enough to face-off with the opponent). The "tailies" likely have good reason to distrust (perhaps the Others posed as flight 815 survivors themselves?) - I think Jin, Michael might understand well enough to cooperate with potential allies, at least long enough to free themselves.

That's a very insightful reply. But that could be a sub-plot. You don't feel empty after this episode?

It wasn't a cliffhanger, but it tied up some loose ends. As for feeling empty, not this week - but it does place a lot of expectation on next week...

I liked the last episode. They are answering questions, but still bringing up new ones to keep it interesting.

I agree that last nights episode seemed to lack the usual abundance of exciting clues, I still enjoyed it though. As for Jin going all Kung Fu on AL, I can't stand her and cheered when Sawyer said he kill her the next time she hit him. Some big stuff did make the scene though with the new hatch and the exploration of the "cementing". Another thing I found interesting was Hurley's assessment that there was only enough food to feed one guy for three months. And I was again itching to know what the heck happened to the tail people that they should go all Lord of the Flies when the fuselage peeps are busy taking care of eachother. What the heck sector did they land in?

Hi :). I'm going to try to give my opinion on this - but first I want to say that I appreciate the title you chose for the thread. It allows for constructive discussion - as opposed to the Titles such as "Worst Episode Ever" or Best Episode Ever" - which mainly go toward starting silly arguments.

I have been watching since day one. The past two episodes - especially last night's - have left me feeling empty? bored? annoyed? not sure what the best adjective would be, but simply put, I was very VERY dissappointed with last night's show. I understand the writers need to do things to set up for future episodes and such, but come on!
I think this is just a reflection of personal preference and how we look at things. Perhaps there was something you expected to happen, or wanted to happen? I thought this was one of the best episodes in terms of how much I enjoyed it. The one disappointment I had - and I think it may have been just an major annoyance was how over the top Ana Lucia was. I was fine with her being physical and smacking Sawyer around - not that I like that - but it fit with things. What bothered me was that once she knew they were not the enemy - she didn't lay off and went overboard and made herself seem like a tyrannical dictator - they can't speak unless she says it's ok? My reaction was who died and made you boss? Now, going back to what I said about things being a reflection of personal preference. I am by far not very feminine. Rainbows are my favorite thing - even my tattoo has a rainbow motif. So I can relate very well to women that are rough and tough. Many of my friends are as well. But if they crossed over the line to being a tyrant - I'd be pretty angry. So I didn't enjoy that part at all.
Aside from the second hatch and the fact that her Rose's hubby is alive (woo-hoo!), what did they really give us? Poured concrete signifying the island contains a nuclear reactor (and when has Sayid been to Chernobyl anyway?) and a preview for next week that shows these so-called "others." They can do much much better.
I loved the Bernard scene. Made me cry. (Shhhh) Sayid's reference regarding never having seen concrete used like this except in Chernobyl doesn't necessarily imply he ever went there. And again, using my personal reaction - when he said that, I said outloud - OMG I can't believe none of us thought of that after the previous episode when we discussed the magnetism factor - Jack's key, Desmond's fillings which hurt near the concrete wall - and a discussion on these forums regarding the degrading of the computer tape. Because at that point, my thought was the magnetic field was being blocked by something. The minute Sayid said Chernobyl - about a dozen realizations swept through me among them - Sayid must have seen the shows I've seen regarding the incident at Chernobyl. (I'm not going to say more because I'm not sure if it would be considered spoilerish theory) But what I'm trying to say is that we're getting all sorts of hints and clues when we don't realize it. Little subtle things. When we watched the Orientation film - and Dr. Marvin Candle mentione BF Skinner - I screamed - that was a major thing for me to hear.
They didn't even plant seeds for thought as they did with Walt in episode one, the polar bear Michael gave him when he was saying goodbye in the flashback, and other similar happenings. They did elude to the 23 survivors and the likelihood that they are dead - probably from the "sickness" the french woman and Desmond spoke of - but they can do more. After seemingly speeding things up with episode 2 this year, they seem to be dragging us through episodes that reveal little and create little.
There's more to what we seeing and think we're seeing than meets the eye. The seeds are now much larger and spread out - with so many questions. What's behind the concrete and why? What is/was quarantined? Whats the point in pushing a button - where did this come from, where did this go.. etc10th.. Because there are so many questions now - it seems like it isn't enough to have one answer. It leaves us wanting more - and perhaps thats an issue for people. Keep in mind that this was a Hurley episode - and we learned so much about him - what he was like, what he's afraid of - how much he cares, how much he wants to be liked, how funny his mom is - and found yet another connection between Hurley---Randy---Locke.
And finally, why in the world would Jin - a man trained in all sorts of martial arts (as shown in his season one flashback) not attempt to hit that woman or man when they were all finally removed from the pit? And why would they follow her lead?
I somewhat agree. I think if I were Jin I'd weigh my chances of overtaking the tailies. He doesn't know if they are the "Others" or if they're the one's who nabbed Walt. Plus Rambina, I mean Ana Lucia had the 1 bullet gun and "Shaft" had the stick and I'd have figured its best not to tempt these tyrants while planning in my mind how I was going to shred them up later. Why would they follow her? Heh, I'll start ranting again so I'll just say look at my first reply.

More questions are good. It keeps us watching and chatting. :D

We weren't left totally hanging though.

I agree with JazzyJ-I've enjoyed every episode so far. Its only going to get better.
These are the same writers who gave us Season one, so its only a matter of time
before you get the episode you're looking for.

I actually enjoyed it. I even like the ones some say are boring. I guess because even if it's not the most exciting episodes they are answering questions (and as we all know there are tons of questions to be answered.) and that takes time. I'm just enjoying it. It's such a great show perhaps we are expecting every episode to be a blockbuster, well they are in a way if you compare it to other shows. I think it's just that it's the best show so they have so much to live up to. On any account I think it's pretty darn good. ha ha

Numbersare,
What the hell are you expecting the show to be?? It's just a TV show for crying out loud. A damn good one, but it's not the second coming or anything.

For me, the episode was a return to form. The series opened back up and felt like a good ensemble drama again, instead of X-files reject episodes.

The show is bound to have a backlash, and all the brilliance of last season could easily be undone by creative missteps. But last night was an episode about the characters, not the mythology, and I for one really enjoyed it.

Njc----------------------

i felt very resolved at the end - with Rose keeping a bar of choc ready for Bernard - bless her! It just had a really lovely feel to it - Hurley is a deep deep character and he really shone!
I don't think you can expect big answers and big questions

every episode .. it would become tiring to watch - and we'd lose track of caring

about the characters ... (and my enter key is pressing itself .. scary!!!!! )

about the characters ... (and my enter key is pressing itself .. scary!!!!! )
i felt very resolved at the end - with Rose keeping a bar of choc ready for Bernard - bless her! It just had a really lovely feel to it - Hurley is a deep deep character and he really shone!
I don't think you can expect big answers and big questions
every episode .. it would become tiring to watch - and we'd lose track of caring

Hi :) Just wanted to point out that instead of double posting -- or triple posting - use the edit feature to add to your post rather than creating a new post. Posting several replies one after another is considered as "bumping" and isn't allowed. If you look at the lower right corner of a post there's an edit button - push it - no button is bad - to add.

People would have complained if there had been a cliffhanger too, so what's the point? You can't please everyone.

What the hell are you expecting the show to be?? It's just a TV show for crying out loud. A damn good one, but it's not the second coming or anything.


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hello,

i joined this site because it seemed that there may be (and are) intelligent people out there who watch it, and these same people are likely to enjoy critical conversation with regards to the show. critque of any form of art, be it a tv show, movie, book, painting, sculpture, boxing style, or anything else you can imagine is important, and even essential. i am not saying that art is created for it to be critiqued, but i am saying to you specifically, if you do not like what i post, respond respectfully. DO NOT use any form of profanity or insults at me or any of the comments/thoughts i post with regards to this show.

I loved this episode. It's tough to care about what is happening if you don't care about the people it is happening to. You need to have these "character-based" shows every once in a while to even if out. I was actually able to fall asleep rather easily Wednesday instead of all buzzed with adrenaline thanks to have 101 new questions to answer. :) Plus, things are still set up for exciting episodes down the line.

about the characters ... (and my enter key is pressing itself .. scary!!!!! )

Do you have any spy-ware removal software? You may want to look into it.

I think the others are responsilbe for the deaths/disapperance of the missing survivores from the tail section....not any sickness...perhaps the sickness will play a role later this season, but not quite yet...

It seems to me that, maybe last spring or summer, the writers realized just how popular the show is, and that it's going to last for many more seasons, and they had to 'pace it out' a bit more. If they kept revealing things at the rate they did first season, they'd be done by January! I agree that the episodes are a bit slower and more filler/back story than last season, but it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I thought the show had some great scenes, Hurley, Jin and the Chicken in the hatch, the gnomes spelling out Cluck You, Ana Lucia getting tough on Sawyer and 'the other' hatch.

Hurley deciding to blow up the food pantry with dynamite (he was to afraid to even be near the night before) just because nobody would like him and things would change was dumb! Give the damn job to Rose if it was tooo traumatic.
My first thought about Locke's plan to try and enlist others to push the button was, Cluck You!
;)

Can't wait for Wed., the action adventure scenes look exciting!

I personally loved the new episodes of season 2.... I don't mind if they don't give me all the answers in each episode. I like being left in the dark....

Hi :) Just wanted to point out that instead of double posting -- or triple posting - use the edit feature to add to your post rather than creating a new post. Posting several replies one after another is considered as "bumping" and isn't allowed. If you look at the lower right corner of a post there's an edit button - push it - no button is bad - to add.

yeh - i get you totally ... however - as i was typin without lookin up at the screen, the enter key was pressing itself and it was creatin posts by itself! they were done within like 15 seconds of each other - so i was NOT tryin to bump in any way .. soz :p

Just a quick comment...

Since when is Jin a "master of martial arts"? Just because he's asian doesn't make him Bruce Lee. The only times we've seen him fight were in "House of the Rising Sun" when he tackled Michael and proceeded to beat him senseless and in "...In Translation" where he basically did the same thing. I didn't see any roundhouse kicks or stances or anything to indicate he has any kind of formal training. He's a poor fisherman that scraped by in the city by taking jobs as busboys and doormen. Sure, he can punch people, but so can I, and all I know about martial arts I learned from Jet Li and anime.

And besides that, he was outnumbered, and they had weapons, albeit crude ones.

As for the episodes themselves, I don't really try to view the episodes themselves, but rather the way they fit into the story, like jigsaw puzzle peices. Not every peice can be the half of the face of the Statue of Liberty, a whole bunch of them are just blue bits of sky with maybe a some of a cloud or something. But when you put them all together, and each peice locks into place just right.. that's what gets me.

It's what you can see after the puzzle is finished that matters. Lost is very good at giving you something that might not mean much at the time, but later on you smack your head and say, "Oh... right. That makes sense. I see why they did that."

Plus, sweeps is coming. I sincerely hope and doubt that after the next few episodes your reactions are more favorable.

I may be wrong, but didn't Jin act for his father in-law as some sort of enforcer? I thought he was skilled in some form of fighting. I do not think that because he is Asian he is trained in martial arts. I am not a racist person, nor am I prejudicial.

This was the episode where Hurley finds Peace...

Very insightful dmap, and I'd like to add to that, I believe that Hurley not only found peace, but has begun the process of taking back control in this life. It seems that he felt that he'd lost control of his life to the Numbers, and now, he's taken the bad situation that the Numbers dealth him there (hatch & food monitor), and has turned it around. He not only took what would have been a doleful job, one where he'd be resented, and turned it into a big positive, gaining him friendship and respect for what he did. AND somebody (Jack) finally agreed with him, or at least did not get in his way to his thoughts/approach to the solution of the food storage.

In general, do like the difference in styles and approaches of the episodes this season, going from the action-/clue- packed at the start to the background-/characterization- filled episodes for the last 2. What was different recently was that we are receiving emotional closure on some small sub-plots for the characters. It's a change, and I'd expect that we'll see changing styles and content as needed to forward, slow or fill-in the story as needed.

Personally, I enjoy the slow ebb and flow of information, which allows us to think and speculate in the slow times, and enjoy the subtleties, the plot and characters, then be shocked and blown away in the faster times, forcing us to challenge and re-challenge our assumptions and postulate new theories.

-Mang

I may be wrong, but didn't Jin act for his father in-law as some sort of enforcer? I thought he was skilled in some form of fighting. I do not think that because he is Asian he is trained in martial arts. I am not a racist person, nor am I prejudicial.
He took the job to be able to marry Sun - and didn't have a clue what he was going to be expected to do - and at first when he went to "enforce" his father-in-laws wishes - he went the way of verbal warning. But F-i-L didn't like that and sent out one of his "enforcers" to accompany Jin on the next visit to show Jin how it's done... but.. Jin realized that the intention of the "enforcer" was to do major harm to the guy - and that's why Jin chose to beat the guy up - and told the guy he was very lucky it was him (Jin) - because the guy surely would have been killed. So while we've seen him fighting - it was fist fights that required nothing more than fists.
:)