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lostscape

10-15-2005, 01:00 AM

I just don't know what to think, but here's what I think :nuts: I think.:nuts: I believe that the whole Hanso operation is a scam to try to fool the survivors into participating in some type of experiment. The reason I think it's a scam is because the old computer used to enter the numbers and stop the doomsday clock does not add up with something so important as saving the world. I also don't buy that our beloved Desmond was forgotton down there because there are new products and a new washer & dryer in the hatch. There is also a source of food being delivered periodically (because the inventory was not sufficient to last long for even one man). I am thinking also that there was no plane crash as we know it because they could not have possibly survived a 40k foot fall. So, I think that they were implanted with memories of the plane crash and their flashbacks are all apart of those implanted memories.... . The fact that Desmond's gf is an 'other' is possible because somehow, I think he "brings" people to the island. I dunno, what to think, except for one thing is certain
I LOVE this show!!!!!

TDC # 3

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 01:01 AM

Look at her eyebrows. Those are unusual eyebrows and they are exactly the same! All they've done is age her in the bombing scene and make her look scruffy. The chin is the same, the eyes ... the nose and cheeks. She even has the same indentation on her forehead! It's her.

I still don't see it beyond a vague resemblance. (And for the record, I have that same indentation on my forehead!) They look similar--but not enough to be the same person. IMO.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:04 AM

I still don't see it beyond a vague resemblance. (And for the record, I have that same indentation on my forehead!) They look similar--but not enough to be the same person. IMO.
But do you also have the exact same eyebrows, chin and nose?

They showed us that pix in Desmond's bunker for a reason and to have it tie in waaaay down the line doesn't make as much sense as tieing it into something more recent.

I am surprised that you can't see that they are the same woman. Time will tell ... :smile:

lostscape

10-15-2005, 01:07 AM

She sure looks like the same woman to me. Same long narrow face, same long thin neck. I'd bet a silver star its her!!

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 01:13 AM

But do you also have the exact same eyebrows, chin and nose?

They showed us that pix in Desmond's bunker for a reason and to have it tie in waaaay down the line doesn't make as much sense as tieing it into something more recent.

I am surprised that you can't see that they are the same woman. Time will tell ... :smile:

Honestly...Boat Lady's eyebrows are light enough that while I can tell they're similar they don't look the same to me. Nose doesn't look the same to me--again, similar, but not exact. I'll give you chin, though.

I do agree that they showed us the MysteryPhotoChick for a reason. And I'm willing to think we've seen her before...but after perusing all the comparison pics floating around here, I don't think she's Boat Lady, Dead OR Chick, Lotto Girl, or Jessica.

(I'm on AIM with a friend of mine right now and sent her links to some of the comparison pics floating around. In regards to Boat Lady, she said "boat lady and photo chick are very slightly similiar except that boat lady looks older." I asked, "do you think enough time has passed since that pic was taken and now (going by des's appearance) for mpc to have turned into boat lady?" She said, "definantly not." So it's not just me.)

OTOH, maybe I just have lousy spatial recognition skills.

Time will, indeed, tell.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:17 AM

She sure looks like the same woman to me. Same long narrow face, same long thin neck. I'd bet a silver star its her!!
Glad you see it. I hope other people will. To me it so obvious that it just screams, "I'm her!" LOL

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:20 AM

Honestly...Boat Lady's eyebrows are light enough that while I can tell they're similar they don't look the same to me. Nose doesn't look the same to me--again, similar, but not exact. I'll give you chin, though.

I do agree that they showed us the MysteryPhotoChick for a reason. And I'm willing to think we've seen her before...but after perusing all the comparison pics floating around here, I don't think she's Boat Lady, Dead OR Chick, Lotto Girl, or Jessica.

(I'm on AIM with a friend of mine right now and sent her links to some of the comparison pics floating around. In regards to Boat Lady, she said "boat lady and photo chick are very slightly similiar except that boat lady looks older." I asked, "do you think enough time has passed since that pic was taken and now (going by des's appearance) for mpc to have turned into boat lady?" She said, "definantly not." So it's not just me.)

OTOH, maybe I just have lousy spatial recognition skills.

Time will, indeed, tell.
It's not time like in years that makes her look older. Everyone on that boat looked haggared. Take a thin, light skinned woman and put her on a tropical island where she's exposed to strong sun, the ocean and rough living conditions and she'll age more rapidly than she would in ideal conditions.

I am so sure it's her. There is no doubt in my mind at all. :smile:

iamicarus

10-15-2005, 01:22 AM

Not the same chick. There looks to be at least a ten year age difference between them.

Hatchling52X

10-15-2005, 01:30 AM

Okay all you (including me) Desmond lovers ... sit back for a wild ride.

I know

Who Desmond's girl friend is!!!

Check out this pix!!!

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

And I did it all on my own!!! :biggrin:

They really don't look anything alike to me. Shape of the face isn't the same, nose isn't the same, bone structure isn't the same.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:31 AM

Not the same chick. There looks to be at least a ten year age difference between them.
Uh, make-up? They've made her look haggard and worn due to her harsh living conditions. Don't look at the age ... look at the eyebrows, eyes, nose, chin and hair.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:33 AM

They really don't look anything alike to me. Shape of the face isn't the same, nose isn't the same, bone structure isn't the same.
What? You have to be kidding, right? Same chin, same eyebrows, same crease on the forehead, same nose and cheeks. They look exactly the same. I'm an artist and I see the lines in people's faces and they look the same. Sorry you don't see it because this is going to blow those that don't think so out of the water when it's proven. :smile:

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 01:42 AM

What? You have to be kidding, right? Same chin, same eyebrows, same crease on the forehead, same nose and cheeks. They look exactly the same. I'm an artist and I see the lines in people's faces and they look the same. Sorry you don't see it because this is going to blow those that don't think so out of the water when it's proven. :smile:

Or else we'll find out that MysteryPhotoChick is someone else entirely (I'm still thinking that Boat Lady is Karen DeGroot. I don't know why. But I do), and that the similarities between MysteryPhotoChick and BoatLady are purely coincidental or a red herring.

It's a possibility that MysteryPhotoChick is BoatLady. It is ONLY a possibility.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 01:43 AM

Or else we'll find out that MysteryPhotoChick is someone else entirely (I'm still thinking that Boat Lady is Karen DeGroot. I don't know why. But I do), and that the similarities between MysteryPhotoChick and BoatLady are purely coincidental or a red herring.

It's a possibility that MysteryPhotoChick is BoatLady. It is ONLY a possibility.
Well, not to me. :smile: I'm convinced.

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 01:48 AM

And mildly changing the subject, isn't it a little odd that in trying to determine the identity of a mysterious unnamed character we're using the nicknames of other mysterious unnamed characters? I don't know, it just suddenly struck me as funny that instead of trying to determine whether MysteryPhotoChick is Jane, Dorothy, or Beth, we're trying to determine whether she's BoatLady, LottoGirl, or Dead OR Girl. I don't know. It's late and I have a strange sense of humor. :biggrin:

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:00 AM

Hatchling52X

10-15-2005, 02:03 AM

What? You have to be kidding, right? Same chin, same eyebrows, same crease on the forehead, same nose and cheeks. They look exactly the same. I'm an artist and I see the lines in people's faces and they look the same. Sorry you don't see it because this is going to blow those that don't think so out of the water when it's proven. :smile:
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Afraid I'm not kidding. They do not remotely look like the same woman to me. I don't even see a vague, superficial resemblance, as someone else has said. I appreciate that you are an artist, but I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to the "lines in people's faces." While you're looking at a "forehead crease," I'm looking at the shape of the face, the bone structure of the face and head, the shape and structure of the nose. Not even remotely similar. Sorry.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:06 AM

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Afraid I'm not kidding. They do not remotely look like the same woman to me. I don't even see a vague, superficial resemblance, as someone else has said. I appreciate that you are an artist, but I'm not sure what you mean when you refer to the "lines in people's faces." While you're looking at a "forehead crease," I'm looking at the shape of the face, the bone structure of the face and head, the shape and structure of the nose. Not even remotely similar. Sorry.
The lines of the face means the contours of the shapes that make up the face. They are more than similar. Same pointed chin, same cheek bones, same bridge of the nose and bulb of the nose, same cresent shaped eyes and the eye brows are exactly the same. The bone structure is the same, just a different angle.

Peacock Spring

10-15-2005, 02:09 AM

Well, not to me. :smile: I'm convinced.

I am, too. I'm usually pretty good at faces. A few years ago I saw a pic of Moosie Drier as an adult, and his name came immediately to mind even though I hadn't seen him on TV in probably 15 years, in bit parts back when he was a kid. How's that for obscure? :D Unless this woman has a twin, I don't see how it could be anyone but her, but as everyone's been saying, only time will tell, unless.....

I know that to some people it's almost blasphemous to suggest that TPTB are capable of this, but.....do you think there is any possibility that it could have been just one of those freak things, casting the same actress in two different places because they thought no one would get a close enough look at her on the boat? I know there was speculation at one time that it was Alex, because no one could see her clearly, so....maybe they didn't intend for anyone to see her clearly?

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:17 AM

I am, too. I'm usually pretty good at faces. A few years ago I saw a pic of Moosie Drier as an adult, and his name came immediately to mind even though I hadn't seen him on TV in probably 15 years, in bit parts back when he was a kid. How's that for obscure? :D Unless this woman has a twin, I don't see how it could be anyone but her, but as everyone's been saying, only time will tell, unless.....
You, too? LOL I ran into the guy that used to play Boom-Boom Washington on Welcome Back Kotter in, like 1996 and I recognized him immediately! He was stunned that I did and said that no one recognizes him anymore! He looked much, much older and a lot heavier (not fat, just more of him). But for me, the second I saw him I knew exactly who he was. :smile:
I know that to some people it's almost blasphemous to suggest that TPTB are capable of this, but.....do you think there is any possibility that it could have been just one of those freak things, casting the same actress in two different places because they thought no one would get a close enough look at her on the boat? I know there was speculation at one time that it was Alex, because no one could see her clearly, so....maybe they didn't intend for anyone to see her clearly?
I sure hope that's not the case. TPTB know that we use HDTV, caps and enlargements, not to mention Photoshop to sharpen images. If they did that they really messed up. But I think we're both right and it's her! :biggrin:

Hatchling52X

10-15-2005, 02:26 AM

The lines of the face means the contours of the shapes that make up the face. They are more than similar. Same pointed chin, same cheek bones, same bridge of the nose and bulb of the nose, same cresent shaped eyes and the eye brows are exactly the same. The bone structure is the same, just a different angle.
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I'd suggest that you study the two faces again, this time taking a more objective look, using your artist's eye to compare the noses (!!), cheekbones, bone structure, and shape of the faces, but you appear to have convinced yourself of something that simply is not there. So I wish you well with your theory.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:42 AM

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I'd suggest that you study the two faces again, this time taking a more objective look, using your artist's eye to compare the noses (!!), cheekbones, bone structure, and shape of the faces, but you appear to have convinced yourself of something that simply is not there. So I wish you well with your theory.
I am looking at it with an objective eye. I didn't go to the pix because I was already convinced ... I got convinced after seeing them.

Lost_in_Michigan

10-15-2005, 02:50 AM

ChiefTanLost

10-15-2005, 03:04 AM

Not the same chick. There looks to be at least a ten year age difference between them.

You mean like Desmond looks in the pic vs. now? Same chick, no doubt.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 04:14 AM

It's kinda hard to tell, 'cause BoatChick is kinda blurry in that pic, there is different lighting, different angles. I think this season TPTB have intentionally put in women that look like BoatChick. I'm more convinced that BoatChick is Mrs. DeGroot, especially after seeing the coparison between BoatDude and Mr. DeGroot. With Lost, you never know. To me, everything is a red herring.

Here's a link of the BoatDude and Chick copared with the DeGroots:http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27333&d=1129287285
I don't know about that. TPTB really know how much we research the littlest clue. To delibertly put in something like a woman that looks so much like another would be something that, I for one, would get really angry with. This is a mystery show. To put wrong clues that are not that hard to find for those of us that go over it with a fine-tooth comb would be really a cheap shot.

I thought, too, at first that she might be DeGroot but I actually think she looks to young to be her. That woman would be about 55 and I don't think she looks anywhere near that old. Haggard yes, that old ... not to me.

But maybe she's DeGroot's daughter ...
You mean like Desmond looks in the pic vs. now? Same chick, no doubt.
Good point! Why didn't I think of that? LOL The pix obviously looks like it was taken before what Desmond even looked like when he first met Jack. It definitely is a much younger looking Desmond in the pix than we meet in the bunker. And the woman on the boat looks like she's living hard and with all the sun and sea on that skin ... it's a wonder she looks that good.

granulated

10-15-2005, 05:41 AM

The lines of the face means the contours of the shapes that make up the face. They are more than similar. Same pointed chin, same cheek bones, same bridge of the nose and bulb of the nose, same cresent shaped eyes and the eye brows are exactly the same. The bone structure is the same, just a different angle.

Is that the same "different angle" that makes ears radically change shape ? :biggrin:

Joking aside...they do look very similar...and I can get on your bus as long as the desmond/mystery woman portrait is at least 10 years old... which seems feasible.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 06:03 AM

Is that the same "different angle" that makes ears radically change shape ? :biggrin:

Joking aside...they do look very similar...and I can get on your bus as long as the desmond/mystery woman portrait is at least 10 years old... which seems feasible.
Yeah, I noticed that one thing but, it is a really different angle and the one of the boat gal is blurry. But you're welcome on my bus anytime granulated! :biggrin: Msybe you can come up with a sharper pix? It couldn't hurt. ;)

lockeisthekey

10-15-2005, 06:04 AM

to me, it looks like the same actress in both pictures, with different hair and makeup.

what it means, I do not know. I just want Desmond to be in EVERY EPISODE!!

jbdean

10-15-2005, 06:08 AM

to me, it looks like the same actress in both pictures, with different hair and makeup.

what it means, I do not know. I just want Desmond to be in EVERY EPISODE!!
Thanks for seeing it. :smile:

Hey, Desmond in every eppy would be better than solving the whole LOST riddle in 5 seconds flat - and getting paid for doing it! I'll vote for that!! :biggrin:

iamicarus

10-15-2005, 07:28 AM

Wow......it is interesting how the eyes can either see what they want to see or see what actually is............

Carolyn53115

10-15-2005, 10:49 AM

Éowyn_Jade

10-15-2005, 11:13 AM

I agree with jbdean - that's the same woman.

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

Look at those two pics... realllllly look at those. Not only are the eyebrows the same (see the wider than usual space between them & follow the shape of her browin both - same) but her jaw and chin are exactly the same. Her chin is very distinct. Even her dimples/smile lines can be seen in both. She only looks so much older in the picture on the right b/c the light is highlighting the bags under her eyes whereas it isn't in the pic with Desmond.

Peacock Spring

10-15-2005, 12:49 PM

Wow......it is interesting how the eyes can either see what they want to see or see what actually is............

Yes, that's true, but in this case, since the reality is that none of us knows for sure if we're right or not, everyone is seeing "what they want to see". No one knows "what actually is". We're all just speculating.

Peacock Spring

10-15-2005, 12:56 PM

The Eyebrows are of a VERY unique shape that you do not see every day.

Not to beat this to death, but that was one of the things that really got my attention, too. In the pictures that Jane posted (and this may sound funny, but look at it), the space between the womens' eyebrows was strikingly similar.

Edit: Well, I didn't see Jade's post before I posted, but I guess I basically just repeated part of what she said. I also agree about the "aging" factor. If we hadn't seen Desmond in action, moving around and talking, but just had a picture of him as he is now (especially under stress), I wonder how many people would swear that he wasn't the same man as the one in his "younger" picture, especially if it were taken at a different angle.

liz_lost_fan

10-15-2005, 01:27 PM

I dunno, I don't see it...I think the woman on the boat looks more like the Degroot lady from the video.

sheba

10-15-2005, 01:40 PM

I dunno, I don't see it...I think the woman on the boat looks more like the Degroot lady from the video.

She may well be ... but she is definitely (IMO) the woman in the picture with Desmond.

Also ... she doesn't necessarily have to be his girlfriend. She could have just been someone who had her picture taken with him when his solo race had a stop in Australia.

Someone pretending to be a racing groupie or something. "Will you pose for a picture with me? I love racing!" When actually she was tracking Desmond for her own nafarious reasons. (having his boat rigged so it would crash on the island or something)

I believe if it was his girlfriend in the picture, he would have taken the picture with him when he left the hatch. If you are keeping somthing in order to remind you of a person, it is more important to you than something you are keeping in order to remind you of something, like a generic something to remind you of your life before Craphole Island.

JanesAddiction72

10-15-2005, 01:57 PM

Awesome sleuth work there. That is sooooooo crazy. I can not wait to see how this pans out. Thanks for the great sleuth work!

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:14 PM

Wow......it is interesting how the eyes can either see what they want to see or see what actually is............
Yeah it is ... isn't it? That's why, being an artist I have the ability to draw what I see and I've never been told anything but "Wow, that looks just like me!" :biggrin:

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 02:23 PM

Also ... she doesn't necessarily have to be his girlfriend. She could have just been someone who had her picture taken with him when his solo race had a stop in Australia.

Was it Australia? I can't really remember with all the spec and theorizing about the pic I've been rading around here, but I thought we'd determined that it was Hawaii or something, not Australia. I could be wrong. It gets a little confusing sometimes.

I believe if it was his girlfriend in the picture, he would have taken the picture with him when he left the hatch. If you are keeping somthing in order to remind you of a person, it is more important to you than something you are keeping in order to remind you of something, like a generic something to remind you of your life before Craphole Island.

I'm still holding to the theory that the stuffed bunny Desmond took with him was to remind him of her, and that he took it instead of the pic because you can't cuddle a photograph. Just a theory, of course. :biggrin:

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:28 PM

I think arguing this is like arguing politics.

I do have to agree with jbdean however (since she will be moving in with me soon in my luxury island hatch....LOL)

These women are the same. I have a very photographic memory and I will recognize people I saw once. I am an artist. I study face and form. The Eyebrows are of a VERY unique shape that you do not see every day. I cannot agree more that the writers would not have FUBAR'd this one by using the same or a similar actress...

unless the genetic twin/8th continent theory is brough up again.....
Hey, Carolyn, just wanted to update you ... Hatch #7 is near completion. I've sent the location to Desmond and he says he'll be happy to join us at our Hatch Warming party when we officially move in! ;)

I think being artists might give us an advantage. We don't look for what we want to see but simply see the shapes and space and minor things, like lines and such. For me, and I'll bet for you too, I couldn't delibertly change someone's face if I'm looking at them and drawing them. My hand just wouldn't go along with my mind! LOL
I agree with jbdean - that's the same woman.

Look at those two pics... realllllly look at those. Not only are the eyebrows the same (see the wider than usual space between them & follow the shape of her brow in both - same) but her jaw and chin are exactly the same. Her chin is very distinct. Even her dimples/smile lines can be seen in both. She only looks so much older in the picture on the right b/c the light is highlighting the bags under her eyes whereas it isn't in the pic with Desmond.
Yes. You can see a hint of bags in the photograph with Desmond but the sunlight in that photo washes them out. And the cresent shape of her eyes is just amazing. I don't recall seeing many people with eyes that arc like that, usually eyes turn upward at the ends when smiling or squinting, but hers arc in the middle and slightly turn down on either end. Very unique.
Yes, that's true, but in this case, since the reality is that none of us knows for sure if we're right or not, everyone is seeing "what they want to see". No one knows "what actually is". We're all just speculating.
True, speculating to a degree. But, for me, it's as if we saw two of the SWAN logos on two different hatches. I think we could be said to speculate that the two hatchs were connected but I also think it would be more than safe to believe we were right ... until further info came along. But we still couldn't dispute they were the same logo. Isn't this fun? :biggrin:
Not to beat this to death, but that was one of the things that really got my attention, too. In the pictures that Jane posted (and this may sound funny, but look at it), the space between the womens' eyebrows was strikingly similar.

Edit: Well, I didn't see Jade's post before I posted, but I guess I basically just repeated part of what she said. I also agree about the "aging" factor. If we hadn't seen Desmond in action, moving around and talking, but just had a picture of him as he is now (especially under stress), I wonder how many people would swear that he wasn't the same man as the one in his "younger" picture, especially if it were taken at a different angle.
Yeah, I'm so glad it was posted about how different Desmond looks in the photo vs. how we saw him in the bunker. How much more haggard Desmond looks in the bunker compared to the sweet and fresh look he has in the photo. Seems time, and stress, does make one look ... different. :smile:

sheba

10-15-2005, 02:37 PM

Was it Australia? I can't really remember with all the spec and theorizing about the pic I've been rading around here, but I thought we'd determined that it was Hawaii or something, not Australia. I could be wrong. It gets a little confusing sometimes.

I have not double checked, but is has been stated in several threads that it is the Sydney Opera House (a pretty well known landmark) in the background of the picture.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 02:44 PM

She may well be ... but she is definitely (IMO) the woman in the picture with Desmond.

Also ... she doesn't necessarily have to be his girlfriend. She could have just been someone who had her picture taken with him when his solo race had a stop in Australia.

Someone pretending to be a racing groupie or something. "Will you pose for a picture with me? I love racing!" When actually she was tracking Desmond for her own nafarious reasons. (having his boat rigged so it would crash on the island or something)

I believe if it was his girlfriend in the picture, he would have taken the picture with him when he left the hatch. If you are keeping somthing in order to remind you of a person, it is more important to you than something you are keeping in order to remind you of something, like a generic something to remind you of your life before Craphole Island.
I have wondered the same thing ... why he didn't take the photo. But if "she" asked for his pix, as a groupie like you suggested, how would he have a copy of it? She may not be a gf but I do think she's someone important in his life and he just didn't have time to take it or really was so rushed to get out that he forgot. I've often left things behind that I've later kicked myself for forgetting because I was in a major rush.
Awesome sleuth work there. That is sooooooo crazy. I can not wait to see how this pans out. Thanks for the great sleuth work!
Thanks! I am also very excited to see how this all will pan out!! :biggrin:
Was it Australia? I can't really remember with all the spec and theorizing about the pic I've been rading around here, but I thought we'd determined that it was Hawaii or something, not Australia. I could be wrong. It gets a little confusing sometimes.

I'm still holding to the theory that the stuffed bunny Desmond took with him was to remind him of her, and that he took it instead of the pic because you can't cuddle a photograph. Just a theory, of course. :biggrin:
Last I read someone was going to see if they could find a way to connect the pix to Australia but I thought it could also be Calif (where Desmond was when he met Jack) because it looks like it could be our Marina Del Rey or even possibly the San Diego area.

My theory on the bunny is that it has something inside it. :rolleyes:

Peacock Spring

10-15-2005, 02:50 PM

... she doesn't necessarily have to be his girlfriend. She could have just been someone who had her picture taken with him when his solo race had a stop in Australia.

Someone pretending to be a racing groupie or something. "Will you pose for a picture with me? I love racing!" When actually she was tracking Desmond for her own nafarious reasons. (having his boat rigged so it would crash on the island or something)

But if this was just a fly-by-night person who wanted to get her picture made with him, why would he have the picture? Wouldn't it have been taken with her camera? And even if he did get a copy, he probably wouldn't have thought much about rescuing it from the shipwreck and preserving it like he did, if it wasn't someone he knew.

zimmer157

10-15-2005, 03:05 PM

Not to beat this to death, but that was one of the things that really got my attention, too. In the pictures that Jane posted (and this may sound funny, but look at it), the space between the womens' eyebrows was strikingly similar

thatys what i was looking at ,iuts the same,same nose
and look at her hair,the same part on the left(her right)
and her chhekbones

zimmer157

10-15-2005, 03:07 PM

http://www.princeresortshawaii.com/HPH/
this is deffinetly the hotel,its in hawaii

sheba

10-15-2005, 03:14 PM

http://www.princeresortshawaii.com/HPH/
this is deffinetly the hotel,its in hawaii

Thanks for the link! I guess I should have double checked before just taking another poster's word for it. :redface:

zimmer157

10-15-2005, 03:16 PM

do a 360 panaromic view of the oceanfront room,and youll see where they took the picture

zimmer157

10-15-2005, 03:18 PM

http://www.princeresortshawaii.com/HPH/360_Panoramas/
heres the link,sheck the ocean top room

jbdean

10-15-2005, 03:29 PM

do a 360 panaromic view of the oceanfront room,and youll see where they took the picture
I did and did see the marina but it's so high up.
http://www.princeresortshawaii.com/HPH/this is deffinetly the hotel,its in hawaii
I do see a resemblence between the two buildings but I don't see the "stair steps" of the top of the building that I see in the hotel's website and I also don't see the horizontal windows at the top that we see at the hotel's website. But it certainly does look like it could be the same and they were filming in Hawaii, so that makes it even more possible. That hotel wasn't there last time I was home so I can't place it myself.

But are we supposed to actually think it was taken in Hawaii (since there has been no connection to Hawaii and the show yet) or was it just taken there for cost reasons? I mean everyone is already there in Hawaii, they needed a pix of Desmond and this woman at a marina so, instead of flying everyone to Calif or Australia for one pix, they just took it in Hawaii? Only playing Devil's advocate here. If it is supposed to be Hawaii, that's cool ... just gives us yet another angle to explore! :biggrin:

Carolyn53115

10-15-2005, 03:30 PM

My theory on the bunny is that it has something inside it. images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Maybe the fresh candy bars?? LOL

But if this was just a fly-by-night person who wanted to get her picture made with him, why would he have the picture? Wouldn't it have been taken with her camera? And even if he did get a copy, he probably wouldn't have thought much about rescuing it from the shipwreck and preserving it like he did, if it wasn't someone he knew.

Two points-yes if she was a fan she would have the copy and if he was on his race she could not have mailed him a copy. I don't see a Mr. McFeely Postman coming to island to deliver mail in coconuts. Second point-you say he "rescued and preserved" the photo from a shipwreck. I have seen restored photos. Even those without water damage cannot be touched up to perfection, and this is with the proper equipment. Have you ever gotten a modern photo damp? The picture gets kinds of slimy and turns yellow underneath. I don't think that photo was in a shipwreck unless he crashed into the shore and never had to get into the water!

I think being artists might give us an advantage. We don't look for what we want to see but simply see the shapes and space and minor things, like lines and such. For me, and I'll bet for you too, I couldn't delibertly change someone's face if I'm looking at them and drawing them. My hand just wouldn't go along with my mind! LOL

Jane I am sure you do this too. I think of things spacially, how far apart features are. When I am drawing, painting, etc, I break the subject into parts and am contactly looking back and forth to make sure that each detail is correct. I also agree that you cannot make something look like something it is not. I did not make the connection until I saw those pics. Another thing...

Someone is comparing the seabilly blonde to the orientation video blonde. I can't find the link, but I am sure someone will!!

It was really very obvious that Desmond's Girlfriend is in the Orientation Video as a Scientist AND she threw the bomb that blew up the raft.

Peacock Spring

10-15-2005, 03:42 PM

Second point-you say he "rescued and preserved" the photo from a shipwreck. I have seen restored photos. Even those without water damage cannot be touched up to perfection, and this is with the proper equipment. Have you ever gotten a modern photo damp? The picture gets kinds of slimy and turns yellow underneath. I don't think that photo was in a shipwreck unless he crashed into the shore and never had to get into the water!

I didn't mean preserved as in professionally restored....I meant preserved as in "grabbed it before it sank to the bottom of the ocean". :) Maybe it hadn't gotten into the water. Maybe lots of things hadn't, depending on how deep the water was where Desmond's boat crashed.

It was really very obvious that Desmond's Girlfriend is in the Orientation Video as a Scientist AND she threw the bomb that blew up the raft.

Has it been determined how long ago the orientation video was made? I thought it was in the 1970's, or at least that the pictures they were showing of the scientific team had been from the 1970's. The Boat girl doesn't look 30-35 years older than the Scientist girl to me, and she'd have to be, if they were the same person.

Herk

10-15-2005, 03:42 PM

Demond and bomb throwing girl: Maybe it's just another couple that has been separated, ie Rose and Hubby, Sun and Ji. We even have a dad and child separated.

Maybe we can separate Charlie from Claire. I think the people behind the experiment would love to see his whine go to a rage. On the other hand, the other couples were together before the island, these 2 got together on the island.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 04:04 PM

Maybe the fresh candy bars?? LOL
Two points-yes if she was a fan she would have the copy and if he was on his race she could not have mailed him a copy. I don't see a Mr. McFeely Postman coming to island to deliver mail in coconuts. Second point-you say he "rescued and preserved" the photo from a shipwreck. I have seen restored photos. Even those without water damage cannot be touched up to perfection, and this is with the proper equipment. Have you ever gotten a modern photo damp? The picture gets kinds of slimy and turns yellow underneath. I don't think that photo was in a shipwreck unless he crashed into the shore and never had to get into the water!

Jane I am sure you do this too. I think of things spacially, how far apart features are. When I am drawing, painting, etc, I break the subject into parts and am contactly looking back and forth to make sure that each detail is correct. I also agree that you cannot make something look like something it is not. I did not make the connection until I saw those pics. Another thing...

Someone is comparing the seabilly blonde to the orientation video blonde. I can't find the link, but I am sure someone will!!

It was really very obvious that Desmond's Girlfriend is in the Orientation Video as a Scientist AND she threw the bomb that blew up the raft.
That's just what I do! I've been doing portraits since I was about 12 and have always had an eye for faces (but can't draw inanimate objects to save my life! LOL) I always tell myself that I am not happy with my work unless the eyes seem that they can "blink." I really work hard on exactness.

I have heard that theory but Dr. DeGroot was shown in the 1960s and she appeared to be in her 20s then. So, even from 1969 to now, that would make her about 56 years old. While that woman on the boat looks worn and jaded, she looks no where near 56. And, going with Desmond looking to be about 35 in the bunker and taking even 5 years off of that photo, that would make that woman (if she were DeGroot, 51 years old in the photo or 46 if we took 10 years off) and she looks much too young for either of those ages. Also, I am surprised that so many think the raft bomber is DeGroot and not the girl in Desmond's pix when we only get a 3/4 profile, at best, on the orientation film and that it's faded and fuzzy and yet these two shots of the raft bomber and photo of the girl with Desmond are nearly full face shots of both.
I didn't mean preserved as in professionally restored....I meant preserved as in "grabbed it before it sank to the bottom of the ocean". :) Maybe it hadn't gotten into the water. Maybe lots of things hadn't, depending on how deep the water was where Desmond's boat crashed.

Has it been determined how long ago the orientation video was made? I thought it was in the 1970's, or at least that the pictures they were showing of the scientific team had been from the 1970's. The Boat girl doesn't look 30-35 years older than the Scientist girl to me, and she'd have to be, if they were the same person.
Well, Desmond did say that his boat "crashed on the reef" and that's not a quick walk to shore. But we don't know if he had baggies on board and stuck the photo in one and zipped it up. I don't think it would be odd to have them on board, considering how he would have to preserve what food he didn't eat as best he could for the next meal.

While the orientation film was copyrighted 1980 and talked about the projects begun in the 1970's, Dr. Kendall mentioned that the DeGroots began their research in the 1960s. So, I took it to mean that the shots of them we saw were done in the 1960s to show us the beginnings of their work.
Demond and bomb throwing girl: Maybe it's just another couple that has been separated, ie Rose and Hubby, Sun and Ji. We even have a dad and child separated.

Maybe we can separate Charlie from Claire. I think the people behind the experiment would love to see his whine go to a rage. On the other hand, the other couples were together before the island, these 2 got together on the island.
Yes, that could be a tie-in as well. Personally, I don't think Desmond knows she's on the island. He seemed to "in the dark" about what was happening on the surface. And if she's been visiting him, he'd know the "world was still up there."

waltisfuture

10-15-2005, 04:18 PM

Tom Chaney

10-15-2005, 05:01 PM

For what it's worth here's what I see similar with the two photos. Both women have:

thin flat hairdo
very tall forehead with slight indentation
thin eyebrows with very distinctive high arch
wide-set eyes
long nose
"puffy" cheeks
thin lips
long pointed chin
long neck

That's a lot of similarities. I don't know what it all means, but I'm agreeing it's the same woman.

jbdean

10-15-2005, 06:29 PM

*waves at Jane*

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

I don't have an artists eye, but I trust you. I'd love to see some of your portraits. Any chance you'd post some or email them to me????
Thanks, Walt! :biggrin:

Uh, I don't have any online or scanned ... I don't think. I'll have to check. But I have a photo of one I did a few years back of Stephen Collins and James Cagney. If I can find that one, I'll scan it and email it to you ... or put it online.
For what it's worth here's what I see similar with the two photos. Both women have:

thin flat hairdo
very tall forehead with slight indentation
thin eyebrows with very distinctive high arch
wide-set eyes
long nose
"puffy" cheeks
thin lips
long pointed chin
long neck

That's a lot of similarities. I don't know what it all means, but I'm agreeing it's the same woman.
That sure is a lot of similarities! I just hope Desmond's not in with the Others! :eek:

ChicaFrom3

10-15-2005, 06:45 PM

I still don't see it. :(

I have, however, figured out a valid psychological reason for why, assuming that the similarities are, indeed, there. (Which I'm still not convinced about. :p)

Maybe it's just that I don't want her to be BoatLady, since if she's an evil Waltnapper, that will interfere with my CrazyMystery!OTP of Desmond/PhotoChick?

Or maybe I just have lousy spatial recognition skills and they don't look like the same person to me.

;)

jbdean

10-15-2005, 06:56 PM

LostFANatic91

10-15-2005, 11:45 PM

Whoah, dang, and I love Desmond!!! ^.^
--Katie--

jbdean

10-16-2005, 01:14 AM

Whoah, dang, and I love Desmond!!! ^.^
--Katie--
Me, too! But I'm not "going there" yet. ;) I keep remembering that Desmond didn't know that world was "still there" and I figure if he didn't know that, he's probably not one of the Others. However, he may belong to what they "started out as" and not know that they've turned out to what we saw on the boat.

Lost_in_Michigan

10-16-2005, 03:57 AM

Okay, several things that are on my mind.

1. I don't think Desmond is one of the others, 'cause you'd think they'd be down in the hatch with him.
2. How would Desmond's gf get on the island? The only idea I could come up with is that after a search was done when he vanished she took a boat out herself and also crashed. But this leads me to...
3. Maybe it's just me, but I had the idea that the others are selective of who joins them. They like to steal kids (Walt, Alex) if they're going to take someone. Why would they pick up some chick that just washed up on shore one day? Maybe they would, who knows, but it seems a little odd.

Obviously we're all going to think whatever we want and we'll find out the truth sooner or later (probably later). Honestly, Jane, I hope you are right. I'd be proud that you picked up on it.

Also, I'm trying to find who played BoatChick and PhotoGirl (wow, those sound like superhero names) but so far, no luck. If anyone has the DVDs, BoatChick might be in the credits. I know BoatDude is. As far as him beeing DeGroot, still trying to find that one. On IMDB, the actor is listed as Bearded Man for Exodus and The Other 48 Days, but for ...And Found he is listed as playing Kelvin.

*edit sorry about that!!

jbdean

10-16-2005, 05:57 AM

Lost, you want to spoiler font that bit about who's playing who in an eppy that hasn't aired yet. That's a big no-no here. :smile:

scubagert

10-16-2005, 08:40 AM

Yea thats a spoiler. I was going to say, given that info though, it kinda makes this find a little more convincing.

Hi Jane, nice find!!! I think theres definitely a possibility that they are the same. I hope its NOT true though, because that places Desmond closer to the bad category.

I was a little skeptical at first because I was on the DeGroot on the boat train, but now I'm not so sure seeing the new spoiler (above) and seeing how close the boatgirl looks like the pic girl. I guess we'll see soon!

SQT

10-16-2005, 09:16 AM

jbdean, I don't post here often, but from one artist to another I wanted to chime in and back you up. Those two photos look VERY similar. If you look at the way the eyebrows arch down to meet the top of the bridge of her nose, and at what point they begin over the eye, that is a pretty unique characteristic. I also see the ridge in the forehead that you mentioned.

It is not at all hard for make-up pros to age someone. There have been many movies with young actors playing older characters... think Tom Cruise in Collateral, he was playing a character at least 15 yrs older than he is in real life and convincingly so through an entire movie. Not just as an extra, as a main character. So I don't find the aged look of BoatChick to be good evidence against a connection.

JMO...

SQT

hellotzp

10-16-2005, 10:28 AM

granulated

10-16-2005, 12:24 PM

But you're welcome on my bus anytime granulated!

:clap: Yay !

jbdean

10-16-2005, 01:16 PM

jbdean

10-16-2005, 01:23 PM

jbdean, i'm with you - though i really did like the idea of the degroots being boatchick and bearded guy... but the similarity is too close to disregard. and boatchick always did seem too young to be karen degroot. so - if boatchick is the one in the foto, i bet desmond's mad race from the bunker is to go find her.

the background in the photo really does look like that marina and hotel in hawaii. if boatchick was in hawaii with him, it seems desmond's claim to have been "solo" might not be the complete truth. it might have been carefully worded misdirection - ahh,yet another one from the writers! - to make us think he was traveling solo, when perhaps he meant his boat was the the only one in the "race"... and he had company on the boat.

all pretty interesting - can't wait to see where it goes!.
I must admit, I liked the DeGroots on the boat theory myself (though I was always skeptical because of the age difference). Blone woman and bearded man did fit that without question. But too, it seems rather obvious for the writers.

I like your idea about Desmond going in search of the photo woman ... that one sounds good but, playing Devil's advocate, he seemed alwfuly happy when he spoke of it, to me, to be going in search of someone. I'd think he'd have been more solom when telling Jack about it if that had been the case.

I don't think he had anyone with him, unless he lied to Jack and I don't think he did, because he said that Calvin found just him. Had she been on the boat with him ... he would have known she was "out there somewhere" and I'd think he'd have asked Locke about her before asking if the world was still out there.

SarahWW

10-16-2005, 01:25 PM

Boat-woman is a ringer for the younger woman. There are only superficial differences in their appearance. As jbdean said above, she is aged and scruffed up. Their features match closely, however.

So, then who is the boat-woman of mystery? I've heard it speculated that she is Karen DeGroot...

Lost_in_Michigan

10-16-2005, 07:02 PM

Little T

10-16-2005, 09:41 PM

DeGroot?????????

Hey Jane,

Sorry I haven't checked this thread out earlier. I had not been online all of last week, due to my second cold/flu in a month and a half, and I'm now just trying to catch up.

So, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on this one two.;) (Locke/Rutherford) The "Boat Chick" certainly does look like the girl in the photo. What a great twist......I hope it really is her. :biggrin:

jbdean

10-16-2005, 11:48 PM

Thanks for pointing out my misuse of spoilerage. I changed it. And next time I'll know better (for once) :)
Now I'm starting to think that BoatChick is the daughter of the DeGroots. She could still be Desmond's gf, the one in the pic.
I also wondered if maybe Desmond met the girl in the pic during the race, but I don't think that works.
It's cool. :smile: You know, I think that theory works. Ages fit and resembelence fits. I just hope she wasn't recruiting Desmond to end up on the island.
DeGroot?????????

Hey Jane,

Sorry I haven't checked this thread out earlier. I had not been online all of last week, due to my second cold/flu in a month and a half, and I'm now just trying to catch up.

So, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on this one two.;) (Locke/Rutherford) The "Boat Chick" certainly does look like the girl in the photo. What a great twist......I hope it really is her. :biggrin:
That's ok, Lil' T! Glad you dropped by. :biggrin: I just wonder how long we're going to have to wait to find out?! But, I think, it means Desmond will be baaacccckkkk! :lol2: YAY!

Lost_in_Michigan

10-17-2005, 01:50 AM

It's cool. :smile: You know, I think that theory works. Ages fit and resembelence fits. I just hope she wasn't recruiting Desmond to end up on the island.

I hope she wasn't either. That would be bad, I'd have to kick her a**. Ofcourse, I'm going to anyway for taking my man. :biggrin:

jbdean

10-17-2005, 02:35 AM

I hope she wasn't either. That would be bad, I'd have to kick her a**. Ofcourse, I'm going to anyway for taking my man. :biggrin:
If she is someone that he cares about (though I don't know why he'd leave the pix behind if she was), then I hope he doesn't get his heart broken. Poor guy has already been through enough!

Lost_in_Michigan

10-17-2005, 02:44 AM

If she is someone that he cares about (though I don't know why he'd leave the pix behind if she was), then I hope he doesn't get his heart broken. Poor guy has already been through enough!

I always wondered why he didn't take the picture. Course, as far as we know, he didn't take a gun with him either. But he seemed to grab important things (the medicine, food, his bunny) and not the picture.

She better not break his heart!! He has really been through enough!

Francesca

10-17-2005, 10:18 AM

Look at her eyebrows. Those are unusual eyebrows and they are exactly the same! All they've done is age her in the bombing scene and make her look scruffy. The chin is the same, the eyes ... the nose and cheeks. She even has the same indentation on her forehead! It's her.

Yes, it definitely looks like the same girl, add Mrs. Degroot, and I think all 3 are the same girl....

pebblesbl

10-17-2005, 11:32 AM

OT

LostFANatic91 I think your pixs are great. Thanks for sharing.

Little T

10-19-2005, 12:22 AM

It's cool. :smile: You know, I think that theory works. Ages fit and resembelence fits. I just hope she wasn't recruiting Desmond to end up on the island.

That's ok, Lil' T! Glad you dropped by. :biggrin: I just wonder how long we're going to have to wait to find out?! But, I think, it means Desmond will be baaacccckkkk! :lol2: YAY!

I'm sooooooo looking forward to seeing him again. Hey, is he married? I'm not asking for me, promise, it's just something Ive been wondering about. :biggrin:

Jasmine

10-19-2005, 01:37 AM

Yes he is---married with 3 sons!!!

jbdean

10-19-2005, 09:31 AM

I'm sooooooo looking forward to seeing him again. Hey, is he married? I'm not asking for me, promise, it's just something Ive been wondering about. :biggrin:
Me, too!!! :biggrin: And yeah, Jasmine's right. Married + 3 sons. :smile:

kajah

10-21-2005, 01:58 AM

jbdean

10-21-2005, 02:18 AM

This may not make sense, but judging from Desmond's Girl in the DesmondGirl/BoatLady comparison picture, and the DeGroot/BoatLady comparison picure, the Boat Lady in the DeGroot/BoatLady picture looks nothing like Desmond's Girl. However, these photos are at different angles and lighting. The eyebrows are the thing that bothers me, though. They are very wide-set in Desmond's Girl and the Boat Lady, but DeGroot? No way. (Was her name Mary DeGroot? Cuz that would be a crazy coincidence.)
And again, looking at the DesmondGirl/BoatLady comparison picture, the noses look different, but look at the DesmondGirl picture compared to the DeGroot/Boatlady picture, and the noses match.
So what I am trying to say is that I think Desmond's Girl and BoatLady could be the same person, but I'm not 100% sure. The eyebrow thing is driving me crazy though, because they're so unique.
Unfortunately, we just can't get a clear enough pix of DeGroot to compare her to anyone really. The film is made to look so old that the images are really distorted. Her whole face appears to be pulled to the right of our screen and that changes her entire face.

But I do think that the eyebrows, eyes and nose of the boat chick look exactly the same as the girl in Desmond's pix. Not to mention the indent above her eyebrows is the same in both pix.

true_fortune

10-22-2005, 03:11 PM

well.. (spoiler)

this may be her also. http://reitan.biz/others.jpg :confused:

Edit:

spoiler
if u guys wanna know who the guy /w the beard is, i'll let ya know

jbdean

10-23-2005, 03:34 PM

Thanks, true_fortune but steer clear of spoilers. I'll just have to wait to see if I'm right. :rolleyes:

Herk

10-24-2005, 10:18 AM

well.. (spoiler)

this may be her also. http://reitan.biz/others.jpg :confused:

Edit:

spoiler
if u guys wanna know who the guy /w the beard is, i'll let ya know

Yup I wanna know. Just point me to the thread. Thanks for the offer.

Kane25420

10-24-2005, 12:37 PM

jbdean

10-24-2005, 04:51 PM

At first I thought The Boat lady was the girl who founded (Help or what ever) the HANSO FOUNDATION, But I was rewatching Lost this weekend, and came to the same conclusion. That The boat lady is Desmonds women. I think its pretty clear, but it's lost and they could be trying to throw us a curveball (although I think thats highly unlikley)
While my thinking they look the same (Desmond's photo lady & boat chick) I just think that the age difference between Mrs. Dr. DeGroot (what is her first name??) and either boat chick or Desmond's photo girl is just too vast ... no matter what the "real" time frame is of the show. I mean we know it's not like 1981, the clothes alone tell us that. But I wouldn't put it past the writers to somehow tie DeGroot in with Boat chick/photo lady. That wouldn't surprise me at all ... but not that they're the same person.

Curious ... when rewatching it, what convinced you that boat chick and photo girl were the same person?

lockeisthekey

10-24-2005, 05:02 PM

I didn't see Kelvin in "and found".

did I just miss it, or was he not there?

it seems like someone is toying with us and putting false info in at IMDb again.

jbdean

10-24-2005, 07:29 PM

I didn't see Kelvin in "and found".

did I just miss it, or was he not there?

it seems like someone is toying with us and putting false info in at IMDb again.
Well what we all need to know and remember is that most of the stuff posted to IMDb is from fans like you and me. Not always, but a lot of the times it is. So ... I always read it with a grain of salt. Never hold it as truth until I've seen it myself.

I didn't see him either ... besides, he's supposed to be dead. Ooooh, he better not have faked his death and left Desmond on his own! I'll have to kick some serious Kelvin butt if that's the case!! :mad:

luvtzus

10-24-2005, 08:10 PM

Well what we all need to know and remember is that most of the stuff posted to IMDb is from fans like you and me. Not always, but a lot of the times it is. So ... I always read it with a grain of salt. Never hold it as truth until I've seen it myself.

I didn't see him either ... besides, he's supposed to be dead. Ooooh, he better not have faked his death and left Desmond on his own! I'll have to kick some serious Kelvin butt if that's the case!! :mad:

You're right Jane about IMDb. Most recently they had posted that Samuel L.Jackson was going to play Bernard, and we all know now that didn't turn out to be true. I would never count on them for true spoilers. And I also agree that the girl in the picture could not be Mrs. Degroot. That film was made way too long ago. But like you, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a connection, or if we find out Kelvin isn't dead after all. Those LOST writers love love love to toy with us!
Ann Marie :desmond:

joathina

10-24-2005, 08:37 PM

luvtzus

10-24-2005, 10:04 PM

Hmmm, I don't see the same woman, I see some similarities, but I'm still convinced they're different people. The nose, eyes and face shape look different to me. :confused: (and I'm also an artist)

I think its just a photo, but I don't understand why he left it? If he has it next to his bunk its obviously someone very close to him whom he misses. Oohh, so he might return for it at some point (like when he realises that the world hasn't ended)!

I thought that the photo was focused upon because of Jack. He sees it and it reminds him of Sarah. Also, I was thinking about Sayid and his picture of Nadia. Sayid lost his photo too. And Desmond is another lonely person stuck on the island.

Also, wasn't Desmond on a solo race round the world (I'm sure he said that), so there was no one else with him.

I think you're right Joathina about the photo. I think that it was focused on because of Jack. But maybe some day we will get a Desmond flashback and see who the mystery woman is (was). Don't remember if Desmond used the word "solo", I will have to go back and review the tape. I know solo race has been mentioned here and at other Lost sites, but I don't remember if it Desmond mentioned it or if people assumed it.
Ann Marie :desmond:

jbdean

10-24-2005, 10:05 PM

Hmmm, I don't see the same woman, I see some similarities, but I'm still convinced they're different people. The nose, eyes and face shape look different to me. :confused: (and I'm also an artist)

I think its just a photo, but I don't understand why he left it? If he has it next to his bunk its obviously someone very close to him whom he misses. Oohh, so he might return for it at some point (like when he realises that the world hasn't ended)!

I thought that the photo was focused upon because of Jack. He sees it and it reminds him of Sarah. Also, I was thinking about Sayid and his picture of Nadia. Sayid lost his photo too. And Desmond is another lonely person stuck on the island.

Also, wasn't Desmond on a solo race round the world (I'm sure he said that), so there was no one else with him.
Well, I won't go into the similarities between the two faces (I've done that enough in this thread and I'm sure everyone's tired of reading it LOL) but I will say that I'm positive they're the same woman.

I do think that we saw the photo for two reasons ... 1] For Jack to go after Desmond and 2] Because she is a part of Desmond's past and therefore important to the storyline.

Yes, Desmond was on a solo race around the world and yes, that means he was maning the boat by himself. But that pix was obviously not taken while on board but on land so she's someone that he knew before he left on his race. Maybe he will come back for it. That would an excellent way for us to find out who she is/was to him.

Carolyn53115

10-24-2005, 10:18 PM

jbdean

10-24-2005, 11:34 PM

I would like to know how the photo was not wrinkled or wet. That's all!

Then we can move on!! But Jane as you know I do think they are the same but she is not DeGroot....maybe princess DeGroot, DeGroot's daughter?? Let off the island just long enough to trick Desmond or fiddle with his boat or what have you so he would get trapped there and oops, she is no where to be found??
LOL Yeah, some have asked that, too. I think he stuck it in a ziplock baggie (had them on his boat to keep left overs). That's my theory and I'm sticking to it! :24:

She really could be related to De Groot. But I don't know if she had anything to do with Desmond getting to the island but she might have. I can't wait for this to be explained! :biggrin:

a70eezchild

01-03-2006, 10:09 PM

Desdemona_83

01-03-2006, 11:54 PM

Wow, she's a busy lady! She founds psychoscientific projects, blows up rafts, captures children, AND designs her own drapes! :lol2:

Save The Humans

01-03-2006, 11:56 PM

Were the drapes Kate sewed (as she told Jack in the Pilot) one of the woman's designs? :laughing:

jbdean

01-04-2006, 01:15 AM

Wow, she's a busy lady! She founds psychoscientific projects, blows up rafts, captures children, AND designs her own drapes! :lol2:
And don't forget ... was romaticly (we think) involved with Desmond! Busy indeed! :24:

Save The Humans

01-04-2006, 02:10 AM

Modern woman on the go--the early women's libbers would be so proud! :D

a70eezchild

01-04-2006, 02:12 AM

AND they're all Martha Stewart's new Apprentice...LoL!

Added Ms. DeGroot for good measure:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/a70eezchild/Thegirls2.jpg

Save The Humans

01-04-2006, 04:20 AM

BOO! HISS! :mad:

Well, you're SUPPOSED to boo and hiss the villains, right?

jbdean

01-04-2006, 09:06 AM

Added Ms. DeGroot for good measure:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/a70eezchild/Thegirls2.jpg
The more I think on it now, I can completely see how one can go from raft bomber to Martha Stewart assistant ... :24:

MissLesley

01-04-2006, 09:46 AM

http://usera.imagecave.com/MissLesley/ekowithwho.jpg

Just saw this thread and wondered if anyone ever saw THIS pic....THAT is not Libby!!

jbdean

01-04-2006, 11:33 AM

http://usera.imagecave.com/MissLesley/ekowithwho.jpg

Just saw this thread and wondered if anyone ever saw THIS pic....THAT is not Libby!!
Is she dressed like Libby? Might just a be a blonde Red Shirt.

MissLesley

01-04-2006, 11:43 AM

Is she dressed like Libby? Might just a be a blonde Red Shirt.

:huh:

no idea what that means....I'm WAY behind here.

jbdean

01-04-2006, 11:45 AM

:huh:

no idea what that means....I'm WAY behind here.
Sorry. Red Shirt = extras. If she's not dressed just like Libby, she might just be a blonde extra. But if she is dressed like Libby, might have been a stand in. Where did you see the photo? If it's a promo pix, and not from the actual show, it could be that they had a stand in. What eppy is it from?

MissLesley

01-04-2006, 11:45 AM

:huh:

no idea what that means....I'm WAY behind here.

Just came to me....The Star Trek ref...the red shirts never came back to the ship..duh..

This picture was taken when they captured Jin, Sawyer and Michael.....looks like Desmond's wife/girlfriend/sister and the girl on the boat...kinda...

jbdean

01-04-2006, 12:41 PM

Just came to me....The Star Trek ref...the red shirts never came back to the ship..duh..

This picture was taken when they captured Jin, Sawyer and Michael.....looks like Desmond's wife/girlfriend/sister and the girl on the boat...kinda...
Aw, she's just an extra then. Her eyes, eyebrows and nose are all wrong to be that woman. But good eyes to notice her!

MissLesley

01-04-2006, 01:02 PM

Aw, she's just an extra then. Her eyes, eyebrows and nose are all wrong to be that woman. But good eyes to notice her!

I'm leaving up to you guys....I've been on this wild goose chase for a while now..HA
I need a trip to my REAL life...RIGHT after next week's 2 hour return...I SWEAR....
I'm not obsessed with LOST...I'm NOT, I tell ya.:cool:

Save The Humans

01-04-2006, 10:48 PM

Desdemona_83

01-04-2006, 11:34 PM

I think Jane means she was a stand-in for a promo pic. I'm sure that shot isn't a cap from an episode; it doesn't look natural. CW probably wasn't available for the picture, so they put someone with blonde hair and a similar build in her place.

Save The Humans

01-05-2006, 01:56 AM

Eko by himself would've been just fine! :laughing:

Desdemona_83

01-05-2006, 02:01 AM

Fiiiiine is the word for it. ;)

Save The Humans

01-05-2006, 02:03 AM

:nono:
How DARE you be so nasty?
:lol:

Desdemona_83

01-05-2006, 02:05 AM

Nasty? Moi? :hypocrit:

Save The Humans

01-05-2006, 02:08 AM

:24:
Yeah. You're innocent. And I have some Kansas beachfront property I'll sell you CHEAP! :D

jbdean

01-05-2006, 03:10 AM

Maybe they hadn't signed CW yet, and she was just there to fill the space. I guess they thought they could insert CW later--but then, forgot to.

We KNOW there were only the 5 Tailies by the time the Raft Crew reached the beach:
AL, Libby, Eko, Bernard, and Cindy. So it COULDN'T be an extra--if that's the eppy where the pix came from. If it came from "48 Days," of course, it could be an extra--one of the Tailers that The Others grabbed. (Red shirt! Red shirt!)
It's not a pix from the actual show. Those are promo pix and they are done to simulate the show. Sometimes they are done during the filming but often times they'll take the actors from a filmed shot and repose them to copy what they just did but it's easier on the photographer than trying to get good shots during a shoot (when actors are moving and stuff).
I think Jane means she was a stand-in for a promo pic. I'm sure that shot isn't a cap from an episode; it doesn't look natural. CW probably wasn't available for the picture, so they put someone with blonde hair and a similar build in her place.
Yea, that's what I mean. You're hired as my translator, Desdemona! :24:

Save The Humans

01-05-2006, 03:58 AM

Not so fast, Jane! Just what salary are we talking here? She must get a reasonable wage, you know! :D

jbdean

01-05-2006, 01:58 PM

Not so fast, Jane! Just what salary are we talking here? She must get a reasonable wage, you know! :D
All the Desmond Double Bunkbed Fudge Ripple ice cream she can eat! :24:

Desdemona_83

01-05-2006, 03:14 PM

Heyyyy, I like the sound of that. But maybe it's not such a good idea. I'll have to do many "tours de stade" to burn it all off! :laughing: And then I might hurt my ankle... ;)

panarea

01-05-2006, 04:25 PM

Heyyyy, I like the sound of that. But maybe it's not such a good idea. I'll have to do many "tours de stade" to burn it all off! :laughing: And then I might hurt my ankle... ;)

If it happens, [quote=Desmond] you have to lift it up. Your ankle. You have to keep it elevated. [quote] LOL

jbdean

01-05-2006, 04:41 PM

If it happens, you have to lift it up. Your ankle. You have to keep it elevated. LOL
panarea, you forgot your slash mark before the last "quote"! ;)

Save The Humans

01-05-2006, 11:53 PM

What's the use of hurting your ankle when neither Desmond nor Jack will be around to render first aid? :down:

Desdemona_83

01-06-2006, 12:16 AM

What's the use of hurting your ankle when neither Desmond nor Jack will be around to render first aid? :down:

Well, I was rather hoping there would be someone around to help me out! "You all right, sistah?" :D

Save The Humans

01-06-2006, 02:51 AM

If that happens, Desdemona, remember to ask him how the heck he got of the Island! :D

MissLesley

01-06-2006, 08:51 AM

Eko by himself would've been just fine! :laughing:

I'm sayin' ;)

a70eezchild

01-06-2006, 11:15 AM

"You all right, sistah?"

*Swirl...thud*

Save The Humans

01-06-2006, 11:32 PM

ARE you all right, sistah? That was a pretty hard THUD there! :D

Rattzilla

01-16-2006, 01:17 PM

My 2 cents:

I was first on the DeGroot train as to the indentities of the BoatMan and BoatLady. I still think the Boatman is Mr. DeGroot, but now after reading this thread think the BoatLady ISN'T Karen DeGroot, maybe..Desmond's girlfriend, maybe....but what about Danielle's grown-up daughter Alex..( if Alex is indeed a girl??)

Another thing to think about: We are all so busy concentrating on the face of the BoatLady that I was curious about that necklace she is wearing, do we see it around the Photochick's neck or Karen Degroot's neck or Danielle's neck to link the two?? It looks like a cameo brooch kinda. Any thoughts?

RATT

Save The Humans

01-16-2006, 10:12 PM

Well, Rattzilla, we spoiler-lovers now know that

The boatbilly captain goes by the name of Mr. Friendly, and we are gonna see him in Wednesday's eppy! :fear2:

I suspect that we have yet to meet the DeGroots. But one of these seasons, we will!

jbdean

01-17-2006, 04:11 PM

Save The Humans

01-17-2006, 10:50 PM

I can't understand the mind set of a DeGroot-type. They probably only see Desmond as an interesting "lab rat." How can ANYONE not be drawn to him as a person?!

myothercarisflight815

01-18-2006, 12:02 AM

Ok so maybe I'm rockin the boat here but maybe "she-billy" (heheh get it?) ahem... the lady in the boat actually is Desmond girlfriend in the photo... but maybe Desmond is lying and he's not being straight with our island folks! Maybe he was just so freaked out about being caught in the hatch. Maybe is part of Hanso/Dharma/Cooper Kidney Stealing Servce.

Save The Humans

01-18-2006, 01:00 AM

Nah, myothercar. Desmond is (more or less) who he's saying he is. But don't you just love how the writers keep giving us all this stuff to debate to death--and beyond? :D

jbdean

01-18-2006, 04:17 PM

I can't understand the mind set of a DeGroot-type. They probably only see Desmond as an interesting "lab rat." How can ANYONE not be drawn to him as a person?!
True! Wantinhg an Etopian society yet treating their "subjects" like they have no feelings, needs or wants. Scientists ... blech!
Ok so maybe I'm rockin the boat here but maybe "she-billy" (heheh get it?) ahem... the lady in the boat actually is Desmond girlfriend in the photo... but maybe Desmond is lying and he's not being straight with our island folks! Maybe he was just so freaked out about being caught in the hatch. Maybe is part of Hanso/Dharma/Cooper Kidney Stealing Servce.
Well, I love my Desmond ... to the end and back ... but I am open to the possibility that he may have been lying (to some degree) in what he told Jack and Locke. See, the way I look at lying is that if you deliberetly leave out something that makes others conclude something that is wrong, then that's lying. Omitting a truth to mislead is like saying something that misleads.

But whether Desmond is in on the raft bomber's scheme of things or not, I still think that's her in the pix with him.

Rattzilla

01-18-2006, 07:06 PM

I forget... Have we analyzed what Desmond has said to Jack in Australia..when running in the Stadium?

If someone can point me in the direction of that discussion I would be greatful..

RATT

jbdean

01-18-2006, 07:20 PM

I forget... Have we analyzed what Desmond has said to Jack in Australia..when running in the Stadium?

If someone can point me in the direction of that discussion I would be greatful..

RATT
Ratt, what about that convo do you want to go over? He basically tells Jack that he's training for a solo race around the world. He asks Jack "How do you know that you didn't fix her?" He tells Jack to "Lift it up" (which is a religious expression that means to 'give it up to God') and when Jack doesn't "get it," Desmond makes out like he was just talking about Jack keeping his injured ankle lifted up. He also tells Jack that he "was almost a doctor."

I think that's about it.

I'm sure you could find a transcript of the eppy at lost-media.com.

Save The Humans

01-19-2006, 12:24 AM

Have we analyzed what Desmond has said to Jack in Australia..when running in the Stadium?

Um, they were in LOS ANGELES at the time, Rattzilla. Basically, Desmond ran over to Jack to see if he was OK. Almost a doctor. Girl patient. Maybe you fixed her. No believe in miracles, huh? I'm Desmond. See ya in the next life, yeah? (Yes--he ended both stadium and jungle conversations with Jack with that line!)

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:
I WANT DESMOND BACK!!
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

unforgiven91

01-20-2006, 10:40 PM

They should have a desmond-centric episode, or something like that, tell us about him and the other/gf lady person thingy,i definately see it is the same person.:eek: great find btw

Save The Humans

01-21-2006, 12:00 AM

It's his non-presence that gets to us, unforgiven! :frown:

webbyboy

01-21-2006, 06:20 PM

I like the way desmond speaks..it's cool :D

jbdean

01-22-2006, 12:02 AM

They should have a desmond-centric episode, or something like that, tell us about him and the other/gf lady person thingy,i definately see it is the same person.:eek: great find btw
The Powers that Be have said that Desmond would have a backstory. It's just when that's killing us. When OH WHEN???

Thanks, unforgiven. I felt pretty darn proud that I noticed it. It's the only real find I've done on my own. {{{blush}}}

Save The Humans

01-22-2006, 01:41 AM

See, he can't have a backstory if he doesn't come back.

This seems to be something that the writers/producers just don't get. :rolleyes:

Herk

01-28-2006, 12:28 PM

He has to come back. It's a small island. Although, his back story could be intertwinned with the back story of some else like the girl in the picture.

Save The Humans

01-29-2006, 01:37 AM

He has to come back.

THAT is the whole point! Thanks, Herk! :biggrin:

benos

01-30-2006, 08:44 AM

jbdean

01-30-2006, 08:51 AM

I really think that woman in the picture is jack's ex wife. thats why he looked the picture strangely, but thought "no it could'nt be" with his non-faith powers drawing in....lol
But i hope that mystery is soon cleared up between desmond, the others, jack's wife, jack himself. i don't know which is right.
The pix is not Jack's ex-wife. If you look at the two together, they look nothing alike (except for both being fair-skinned and blondes). And if it had been Sarah, Jack would have asked Desmond right away why he had a pix of her.

But I'm dying to see Desmond's back-story! We need to know more about him.

Herk

01-30-2006, 09:09 PM

(except for both being fair-skinned and blondes).

lol - that's enough for some.

jbdean

01-30-2006, 10:34 PM

lol - that's enough for some.
Hey, does that mean it might have been a pix of Shannon??? :eek: ;)

Save The Humans

01-31-2006, 01:13 AM

I really think that woman in the picture is jack's ex wife.
Nope. Javi has confirmed that she is NOT Sarah. Who she IS, however, he won't say. (Naturally. :rolleyes:)

If she turns out to be Karen DeGroot, as some have speculated, I will :eek:!!

jbdean

01-31-2006, 02:31 AM

Nope. Javi has confirmed that she is NOT Sarah. Who she IS, however, he won't say. (Naturally. :rolleyes:)

If she turns out to be Karen DeGroot, as some have speculated, I will :eek:!!
I really don't think she's DeGroot. The faces are different. DeGroot's face is rounder at the forehead and cheeks and her mouth is more cupid-like than the gal in the pix. You know who I think she is ... the vicious, evil and terrible raft bomber chick! :biggrin:

Save The Humans

01-31-2006, 03:41 AM

So if they meet again, Jane, it'll be a real BANG? :laughing:

Herk

01-31-2006, 07:05 PM

ChicaFrom3

01-31-2006, 08:25 PM

jbdean

01-31-2006, 09:10 PM

I heard speculation that the bomber chick is DeGroot.
I've read the speculation, too. But from the pix I've seen of DeGroot, they just don't look alike. But the caps of DeGroot aren't the best, I'll have to admit that. But from what I did see, her forehead is rounder and fuller and her whole face is plump and her lips are very pouty. I don't think they're the same woman. However ... bomber chick could be DeGroot's love child. :biggrin:

barbarella2

01-31-2006, 09:14 PM

I really don't think she's DeGroot. The faces are different. DeGroot's face is rounder at the forehead and cheeks and her mouth is more cupid-like than the gal in the pix. You know who I think she is ... the vicious, evil and terrible raft bomber chick! :biggrin:

I agree Jane. Based on the pic with Desmond and the screen cap from the raft, I completely agree it's the same woman. Evil raft bomber chick!

Now, what's she DOING down there? Was Desmond perhaps not "solo" on his race? Did she follow him? Was she already on the island and had something to do with his shipwreck? Did she travel there to find him after he shipwrecked?

ANSWERS, TPTB!! ANSWERS!!!

...please and thank you.

jbdean

01-31-2006, 09:24 PM

I agree Jane. Based on the pic with Desmond and the screen cap from the raft, I completely agree it's the same woman. Evil raft bomber chick!

Now, what's she DOING down there? Was Desmond perhaps not "solo" on his race? Did she follow him? Was she already on the island and had something to do with his shipwreck? Did she travel there to find him after he shipwrecked?

ANSWERS, TPTB!! ANSWERS!!!

...please and thank you.
Those are all questions I've asked myself over and over. If Desmond does know about the Others, does he know that she's there? I'd think he would. Did he not bother to take the pix with him because he was going to her when he took off? If he doesn't know she's on the island, and she looks so sweet in that photo, Desmond is going to be in for one BIG shock! :eek:

barbarella2

01-31-2006, 09:39 PM

Those are all questions I've asked myself over and over. If Desmond does know about the Others, does he know that she's there? I'd think he would. Did he not bother to take the pix with him because he was going to her when he took off? If he doesn't know she's on the island, and she looks so sweet in that photo, Desmond is going to be in for one BIG shock! :eek:

Well, all I know is -- regardless of how cozy she was in the pic with Desmond -- she's a molotov coctail-making, flame-throwing, kid-stealing, seabilly-befriending, EVIL chick now, and I cannot bring myself to believe that Desmond would be in cahoots with her on the island. (Oh, look at me, will ya? I'm all prepared to have him shacked up with Jack's ex-wife, but I not still involved with raft bomber chick. The suspense is making me insane. That's it....)

Save The Humans

01-31-2006, 10:08 PM

Until they bring Desmond back, none of these questions will be answered.

Only solution? BRING DESMOND BACK!

jbdean

01-31-2006, 10:12 PM

Well, all I know is -- regardless of how cozy she was in the pic with Desmond -- she's a molotov coctail-making, flame-throwing, kid-stealing, seabilly-befriending, EVIL chick now, and I cannot bring myself to believe that Desmond would be in cahoots with her on the island. (Oh, look at me, will ya? I'm all prepared to have him shacked up with Jack's ex-wife, but I not still involved with raft bomber chick. The suspense is making me insane. That's it....)
I know what you mean! I will find it hard to swallow if Desmond is in with the Others but then ... I'm willing for anything to see him again and find out more about him.

There was an interview that Ian did where he said something like 'I don't want to say he's [Desmond] a bad guy.' That kind of makes me think he's in with the Others but it's only what I'm reading between the lines. LOL

Save The Humans

01-31-2006, 10:30 PM

jbdean

02-01-2006, 01:39 AM

HIC only knows what the scripts told him about Desmond--just like every other actor who is in the show, or has guested on it. Any speculation he has about the character is just that--his personal speculation. We can say the same for our own interpretation of Desmond, of course!

I suppose that, if he met the Dharma folks who delivered supplies, he's met a few people. But that's a cursory meeting. I doubt he knows more than what the film told him. Though I suppose he could be with The Others now--if The Others are connected to Dharma, and sought him out once he fled the bunker.

(No, I don't think that was him with Zeke and the gang, as has been speculated. If he'd seen the way Zeke was dealing with Jack, I'm fairly sure he'd have spoken up. One thing that's undeniable about Desmond is that there's a natural friendship-connection he feels toward Jack.)

If they would BRING HIM BACK, perhaps we could get more info? Hint, hint. :mad:Actually, sometimes they get some background info on the character. So, we don't know, for certain, that Ian doesn't know a bit more than we have seen of Desmond. ;)

I don't think that was Desmond in the group with Zeke either. I didn't mean that. I meant that if Desmond did go to the Others' camp, he may have told Zeke what happened in his bunker. Zeke had to have some way of knowing. Sure he might have seen Locke et al blowing up the hatch but what happened inside the bunker he could only know if he was told or if he had a way to see inside it. And while you bring up a good point about Desmond and Jack, if Desmond is with the Others, then he's sure not going to stick up for anyone not in the group while with the Others. That would be suicide.

Save The Humans

02-01-2006, 04:23 AM

The cast of LOST has constantly told us that they get the scripts at the last minute. Yes, the director may yell out directions on how to react (like they did with Eko when the black smoke came), but beyond the cursory ("Jack is this spinal surgeon with daddy issues") I don't think characters know THAT much background. They learn it as they go. And Desmond wasn't there long enough for HIC to be given THAT much background, anyway.

But really, none of us know. They give us next to nothing, and all we can do is speculate, speculate, speculate!

Sometimes I understand why they hold back; other times, I really get an Ana Lucia level dislike for 'em!

jbdean

02-01-2006, 07:34 PM

Save The Humans

02-01-2006, 11:00 PM

:24:, Jane!

It may not be allowed, but sometimes that's how I feel toward them! :laughing:

jbdean

02-01-2006, 11:57 PM

:24:, Jane!

It may not be allowed, but sometimes that's how I feel toward them! :laughing:
I feel your pain, sista! :biggrin:

Save The Humans

02-02-2006, 01:47 AM

I feel your pain, sista! :biggrin:
Lift it up! :laughing:

jbdean

02-08-2006, 09:15 PM

I wonder if they'll give us more on the photo/boat chick before we see Desmond again.

Herk

02-11-2006, 08:22 PM

I wonder if they'll give us more on the photo/boat chick before we see Desmond again.

We deserve both.

aydans_mommy04

02-11-2006, 08:32 PM

I have seen many people compair desmonds gf to many other girls, sawyers gf in the long con, the woman who wanted to adopt clairs baby, but i defenitly think this is the closest match! All the others I have been like.. NO... that doesn't even look like her, but this, this is CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE!!! GREAT JOB!!!!!

Herk

02-11-2006, 08:40 PM

What's that I hear? Boom, I just moved up to Premium Economy!!!

I think we won't get any Desmond/gf/Boatie chick info until sweeps.

jbdean

02-11-2006, 09:30 PM

We deserve both.Yes we do!
I have seen many people compair desmonds gf to many other girls, sawyers gf in the long con, the woman who wanted to adopt clairs baby, but i defenitly think this is the closest match! All the others I have been like.. NO... that doesn't even look like her, but this, this is CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE!!! GREAT JOB!!!!!Thank you! I still feel really great about finding this. To me it just makes so much sense that it's the boat chick. What I'm wondering is if Desmond knows she's on the island.
What's that I hear? Boom, I just moved up to Premium Economy!!!

I think we won't get any Desmond/gf/Boatie chick info until sweeps.
CONGRATULATIONS!! :cheers:

When is Sweeps?

Save The Humans

02-12-2006, 03:13 AM

I think we won't get any Desmond/gf/Boatie chick info until sweeps.

Ummmm--we're in Sweeps now, Herk! Doesn't look like Desmond's showing up this Wednesday, and there won't be another new eppy this month!

I hope they aren't gonna make us wait till MAY Sweeps! :mad:

jbdean

02-12-2006, 04:39 AM

Ummmm--we're in Sweeps now, Herk! Doesn't look like Desmond's showing up this Wednesday, and there won't be another new eppy this month!

I hope they aren't gonna make us wait till MAY Sweeps! :mad:I thought we were in Sweeps now. Hmmm, May ... boy, that's a long, long time! :crybaby:

Save The Humans

02-12-2006, 07:46 AM

Too long, Jane!

A poster asked Javi if Desmond wasn't on the show cuz "24" had signed him. Javi answered, no, it was because he wasn't important to what's going on on the Island right now!

The NERVE!! :mad:

He's not important because THEY (the writers/producers) MADE him unimportant! He could've been VERY important, indeed! Answers to questions, friend to Jack, all the things that WE have been pointing out since he ran off into the jungle!

I'm not really :mad:, BTW. I just can't believe that they don't see how much he could be contributing right now--and they are THE CREATORS OF THE SHOW, for goodness' sake!

Just makes me want to :bawling:!!!!!

dr_gonzo

02-12-2006, 08:01 AM

I.M.O its a close match bbut not close enough i dont think

Save The Humans

02-13-2006, 12:25 AM

No such thing as a dumb question #4,815,162,342:

Why is the "R" in "Dharma" backwards?

lockeisthekey

02-13-2006, 08:01 PM

jbdean

02-13-2006, 09:12 PM

I'm just hoping that when they do bring him back, it'll be for more than one eppy. I'd like to see another 3 or more in a row that he's in. That will kind of make up for all these weeks without him.

Save The Humans

02-14-2006, 12:49 AM

I want him to stay! :bawling:

Herk

02-14-2006, 12:19 PM

jbdean

02-14-2006, 07:16 PM

Ummmm--we're in Sweeps now, Herk! Doesn't look like Desmond's showing up this Wednesday, and there won't be another new eppy this month!

I hope they aren't gonna make us wait till MAY Sweeps! :mad:Wait, there're pix up on lost-media.com that show the next eppy (Maternity Leave). Why have them up so soon if the next eppy is in May? I don't get that. I think we'll get a new eppy sooner than that.

mcdope

02-14-2006, 10:56 PM

BROTHER! GOOD FIND

now we know Desmond ran off to find his girlfriend

Save The Humans

02-15-2006, 12:02 AM

Why have them up so soon if the next eppy is in May? I don't get that. I think we'll get a new eppy sooner than that.
Jane, we were talking about the next new eppy that has Desmond in it. :biggrin:

Of course, there will be new eppys before May! "Maternity Leave" airs on March 1 (cuz ABC got scared of NBC and the Olympics, so will rerun the Pilot on February 22). Then 2 weeks of reruns. New eppys are SUPPOSED to run on March 22 and March 29. Then we're likely to have 2-3 weeks of reruns in April, before the last of the new eppys run in April and (Sweeps) May.

This is how things stand TODAY, anyway! :rolleyes:

jbdean

02-15-2006, 04:17 AM

BROTHER! GOOD FIND

now we know Desmond ran off to find his girlfriend Thanks! But that's what I wonder ... do you think he knows she's on the island ... and if he does, does he know she's an Other (or up to what she's up to)?
Jane, we were talking about the next new eppy that has Desmond in it. :biggrin:

Of course, there will be new eppys before May! "Maternity Leave" airs on March 1 (cuz ABC got scared of NBC and the Olympics, so will rerun the Pilot on February 22). Then 2 weeks of reruns. New eppys are SUPPOSED to run on March 22 and March 29. Then we're likely to have 2-3 weeks of reruns in April, before the last of the new eppys run in April and (Sweeps) May.

This is how things stand TODAY, anyway! :rolleyes: :doh: Oh, I get it now! But maybe Desmond is in Maternity Leave ... Oh, I hold out such hope!

Save The Humans

02-15-2006, 05:24 AM

Oh, I get it now! But maybe Desmond is in Maternity Leave ... Oh, I hold out such hope!
You sure do, Jane! :laughing:

From what I know of Maternity Leave (none of which I will mention, of course!), there's FAR too much activity going on in that eppy for them to fit a return of Desmond into the hour!

I wish that tonight's eppy would tell us time has passed, and it's, like, Day 70 or so. It would sure be nice to speed up the ol' timeline, don't you think?

Wilson

02-16-2006, 05:15 AM

Wow. Just saw that post; that's incredible. Great find!

jbdean

02-16-2006, 09:56 AM

Wow. Just saw that post; that's incredible. Great find! Thanks, Wilson! I wonder how long it will be before they give us more on boat chick? They say that Desmond will have a back story but I wonder if it will give any insight to the girl in the photo.

Michaud

02-16-2006, 10:28 AM

There'll have to be something about her at some point. The camera lingered too long (and with purpose) on that photo for it not to be relevant at some point down the line

Save The Humans

02-17-2006, 02:12 AM

So that Jack would ask Desmond about who she was, when (NOT if) they meet again, yeah? :grin:

Scaleguy01

02-17-2006, 02:29 AM

Okay all you (including me) Desmond lovers ... sit back for a wild ride.

I know

Who Desmond's girl friend is!!!

Check out this pix!!!

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

And I did it all on my own!!! :biggrin:

Wrong The girl with Desmond is not the girl from the boat She is actress Brittany Perrineau(lotto girl, and the one night stand with Sawyer) Real life wife of the actor who plays Michael, Harold (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0674782/photogallery) Perrineau. check out this link.http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1990/Events/1990/HaroldPerr_Kambo_1107178_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Perrineau,%20Brittany

Cuttler

02-17-2006, 02:42 AM

Thanks, Wilson! I wonder how long it will be before they give us more on boat chick? They say that Desmond will have a back story but I wonder if it will give any insight to the girl in the photo.

Now that they know we want to know they will probably purposely omit her. grrrr :biggrin:

Michaud

02-17-2006, 03:01 AM

So that Jack would ask Desmond about who she was, when (NOT if) they meet again, yeah? :grin:

Yes STH, yes!! Not if, but when!

WHEN WHEN WHEN!!!!

lol

Save The Humans

02-17-2006, 03:48 AM

That IS the question, Michaud! :sadwalk:

Michaud

02-17-2006, 05:06 AM

That IS the question, Michaud! :sadwalk:

Ahhh, don't feel down STH (although I understand why). We know he'll be back from what Raggs said in the VIP section

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32973

Be strong STH! :hug:

Save The Humans

02-17-2006, 06:48 AM

You're a nice person, Michaud. Won't be happy till Jack & Desmond meet again, and Jack invites him back to the camp--to stay! :thumbup:

jbdean

02-17-2006, 09:24 AM

There'll have to be something about her at some point. The camera lingered too long (and with purpose) on that photo for it not to be relevant at some point down the line Oh we'll get the info but when is the question.
Wrong The girl with Desmond is not the girl from the boat She is actress Brittany Perrineau(lotto girl, and the one night stand with Sawyer) Real life wife of the actor who plays Michael, Harold (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0674782/photogallery) Perrineau. check out this link.http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1990/Events/1990/HaroldPerr_Kambo_1107178_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Perrineau,%20Brittany Sorry, not the same women. I'll stick with boat chick. The similarities are too many. Harold's wife has different eyebrows, different lips and eyes.
Now that they know we want to know they will probably purposely omit her. grrrr :biggrin: Naw, they won't do that. Don't worry. :smile:

Michaud

02-17-2006, 09:49 AM

Oh we'll get the info but when is the question.

I suppose it's the same as the answer to the question....when will Desmond return? I know,... we don't know. NOT FAIR!!!

belovedideas

02-17-2006, 12:40 PM

The blonde on the boat and the blonde in the pic......isn't she the female DeGroot scientist from the Dharma training film?

jbdean

02-17-2006, 05:09 PM

The blonde on the boat and the blonde in the pic......isn't she the female DeGroot scientist from the Dharma training film?That question is a possibility. I haven't seen a clear enough photo of DeGroot to tell. The only ones I've seen are from the film and that has been distorted because it's supposed to be old, worn and that makes the image blurry and not as clear as the photo and the cap of the boat chick. I don't know, she could be DeGroot. All I feel confident with is that the photo gal is the boat gal. :smile:

Save The Humans

02-18-2006, 01:12 AM

If so, won't Desmond be freaked out when he finds out! (And, no, I don't think he knows already!)

Hanso Founder

02-18-2006, 01:17 AM

I dunno but :36:Congrats:jump: :36: to over 6000 posts

jbdean

02-18-2006, 03:13 AM

If so, won't Desmond be freaked out when he finds out! (And, no, I don't think he knows already!) You said it, STH! If he doesn't know he's in for a rude awakening! :frown:
I dunno but :36:Congrats:jump: :36: to over 6000 posts Don't worry, Hanso Founder, I'm sure enough for both of us! ;) And thanks for the congrats on my 6000+ posts. :biggrin:

Save The Humans

02-18-2006, 05:54 AM

:36:
Hey, I like this emoti! Let's par-TAY!! :D

You said it, STH! If he doesn't know he's in for a rude awakening!
He'll need a friend's shoulder to cry on. Jack! CALLING DR. JACK! :phone1:

jbdean

02-26-2006, 01:51 PM

I think that finding out who that woman is and why Locke was in the wheelchair are the two things I want answers to the most on Lost.

Save The Humans

02-27-2006, 02:37 AM

Well, I think we're gonna get the wheelchair answer before the season's over, Jane!

If finding out who the woman is will BRING DESMOND BACK--then bring it on!

shadow23

03-27-2006, 08:24 PM

Okay all you (including me) Desmond lovers ... sit back for a wild ride.

I know

Who Desmond's girl friend is!!!

Check out this pix!!!

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desmondsgirlothers8vo.jpg

And I did it all on my own!!! :biggrin:

????????????????????????????????????????????????
I may be wrong but i just heard on a radio Station(hot 99.5) that Libby is his girl friend,both libby and her said they tried to be doctors so they could of met there.But who nows i may be wrong.

barbarella2

03-27-2006, 09:08 PM

????????????????????????????????????????????????
I may be wrong but i just heard on a radio Station(hot 99.5) that Libby is his girl friend,both libby and her said they tried to be doctors so they could of met there.But who nows i may be wrong.

Hmmmm..... I'm thinkin' the photos are pretty hard evidence that it's not Libby, but the evil raft/bomber Other chick. However, until the writers throw us a bone and answer at least some of the bizillion oustanding questions about Desmond, it's an assumption that the girl snuggled up against our boy is his girlfriend -- could be a friend; could be his sister for all we know. It will be interesting if there is some connection to Libby. She remains one of the rather "unconnected" and unexplored characters (but not for long...).

Save The Humans

03-27-2006, 09:43 PM

Nope, not for long. . . .:wink1:

Post at Desmond's VIP thread today! Check it out there, or at the HIC in the news thread at this very board! (I copied it!)

I think the person in the pix with Desmond IS. . .female! :D

jbdean

03-27-2006, 10:49 PM

????????????????????????????????????????????????
I may be wrong but i just heard on a radio Station(hot 99.5) that Libby is his girl friend,both libby and her said they tried to be doctors so they could of met there.But who nows i may be wrong. Well that's not Libby in the photo ... that you can easily tell. Now whether or not Libby was Desmond's girl friend, I don't know. But there has been no mention of the girl in the photo being a doctor or anything. All we've seen is the pix. No background on her at all.
Hmmmm..... I'm thinkin' the photos are pretty hard evidence that it's not Libby, but the evil raft/bomber Other chick. However, until the writers throw us a bone and answer at least some of the bizillion oustanding questions about Desmond, it's an assumption that the girl snuggled up against our boy is his girlfriend -- could be a friend; could be his sister for all we know. It will be interesting if there is some connection to Libby. She remains one of the rather "unconnected" and unexplored characters (but not for long...). You're right, barb. The actual relationship between those two is unknow. We just assume it's romantic since she's cuddling and Desmond looks pretty darn happy. :biggrin:
Nope, not for long. . . .:wink1:

Post at Desmond's VIP thread today! Check it out there, or at the HIC in the news thread at this very board! (I copied it!)

I think the person in the pix with Desmond IS. . .female! :D What post are you talking about? I only see one post from today and it's thanking Ian for doing a great job on Lost. :confused:

Save The Humans

03-27-2006, 11:44 PM

During my drama class (which everyone watches lost in) they talked about your performance in the Adrift/Orientation episode. Even my drama teacher thought your performance was beliveable and brilliant. I wish to thank you for doing an awesome job on Lost, and your other movies and TV guests also. Good luck in the future, Henry! Thanks!

This quote was in HIC's VIP thread today. I posted it at Desmond/HIC in the News here at this board. I just wanted to share that a new post had been made there. And that his work (and LOST) is good fodder for classroom instruction. I think that's kewl! Wish I'd had a few teachers like that back in the Stone Age, when I was in school! :D

jbdean

03-28-2006, 01:29 AM

This quote was in HIC's VIP thread today. I posted it at Desmond/HIC in the News here at this board. I just wanted to share that a new post had been made there. And that his work (and LOST) is good fodder for classroom instruction. I think that's kewl! Wish I'd had a few teachers like that back in the Stone Age, when I was in school! :D I thought "nope not for long" went with your reference to the post in his VIP section because then you closed with reference to the g/f. Ok, I get it now. thx.

Save The Humans

03-28-2006, 02:31 AM

No prob, Jane! :hug:

The biggest Desmond find--ever, is, of course, when we find him back on our TV screens, on LOST!! :biggrin:

kajah

04-22-2006, 06:06 PM

I wanted to say something here but the spoiler tags arent working, and I wouldn't dare post it without spoiler tags. But it's such good news about Desmond!

Save The Humans

04-23-2006, 12:23 AM

jbdean

04-23-2006, 12:41 AM

Kajah? Try typing it with the spoiler font coding. Post it. Then go back out to the Desmond board, and come back into that thread. You should find that the font is in place. At least, that's how it worked for ME, yesterday. Let's see:

YAY! It worked!

See what I mean?
All we need to do until Karri gets this fixed is post and then refresh the page. It'll show up for us then but it always shows up for anyone new to the thread after we've posted. :biggrin:

Save The Humans

04-23-2006, 12:46 AM

^ ^ ^ ^ What Jane said.

So tell us! Tell us! :jump:

jbdean

04-23-2006, 02:08 AM

^ ^ ^ ^ What Jane said.

So tell us! Tell us! :jump:
^^^^ What STH said! :biggrin: Yes! Tell us!

Save The Humans

04-24-2006, 02:46 AM

She didn't come back to tell us! :bawling:

jbdean

04-24-2006, 03:18 AM

She didn't come back to tell us! :bawling:
Don't you just hate when that happens? :frown: Maybe we should PM her ...

Save The Humans

04-24-2006, 04:03 AM

Unless she's an Other, and was just playing with our minds! :eek:

kajah

04-24-2006, 12:50 PM

Sorry, sorry, I've been busy. But I just wanted to say that the season 2 finale is basically one big Desmond flashback, and that Libby is in it somehow.

Herk

04-24-2006, 07:54 PM

Yes, yes, I read that too.

Very happy!

jbdean

04-24-2006, 08:56 PM

Sorry, sorry, I've been busy. But I just wanted to say that the season 2 finale is basically one big Desmond flashback, and that Libby is in it somehow.
Hi kaja! Glad you came back. That's great news and we're all really looking forward to it!

Is it May 24th yet?

Save The Humans

04-24-2006, 11:17 PM

Kajah, go to my big spoiler post over at What Will Desmond Be Like!

What you'll learn about Desmond and Libby there will FLOOR you!

Thanks for coming back and telling us, though! We thought you were teasing with us, but you weren't! :hug:

ChicaFrom3

04-26-2006, 08:33 PM

Very laughing happy excited. :biggrin:

Save The Humans

04-27-2006, 12:33 AM

That goes for ALL of us, chica! :biggrin:

lockeisthekey

04-28-2006, 01:15 PM

Skippy2Tacos

04-28-2006, 01:32 PM

YEAH! I looked at that too.... Think that you are right. Guess we may know after May 24th?? :lipsseal:

jbdean

04-28-2006, 05:41 PM

I'm surprised that no one has commented after Wednesday's show.

When they showed the gal on the boat again, I thought she looks A LOT
like that gal in Desmond's photo!

It seemed to be proof that they're the same person. Thank you! :kiss:
YEAH! I looked at that too.... Think that you are right. Guess we may know after May 24th?? :lipsseal:Thank you! :kiss:

I may be wrong on my assumption that Henry Gale is Kelvin but I just know I'm right on this one! I'm so anxious to find out!! :biggrin:

Save The Humans

04-28-2006, 10:47 PM

Jane, go to my post over at What Will Desmond Be Like. You may be pleasantly surprised!

I do not think the girl in the photo = boatbilly woman. Just for the record. :wink1:

jbdean

04-28-2006, 11:36 PM

Jane, go to my post over at What Will Desmond Be Like. You may be pleasantly surprised!

I do not think the girl in the photo = boatbilly woman. Just for the record. :wink1: I saw your post and replied to it. I think you're gonna' be surprised when you find out I'm right about the gal in the photo. :rolleyes: :biggrin:

Save The Humans

04-29-2006, 12:48 AM

Hope you're not too disappointed when/if it turns out that she's NOT. :D

jbdean

04-29-2006, 03:12 AM

Hope you're not too disappointed when/if it turns out that she's NOT. :D I won't be. Of all the things that I've felt about this show, this is the one thing that I am 110% positive I'm right on. :biggrin: This and how I had the feeling that they'd end the season the same way they began it ... with Desmond!

number_22

04-29-2006, 06:24 AM

I doubt she's the girl, as they cast new actors for the roles of the girls that appear in the season finale.

ChicaFrom3

04-29-2006, 03:54 PM

I do not think the girl in the photo = boatbilly woman. Just for the record. :wink1:

Yay, someone who agrees with me. :biggrin: I don't think we've met Mystery Photo Chick yet...but I don't doubt that we will, and soon.

Save The Humans

04-30-2006, 12:10 AM

I think that the girl in the photo is supposed to be
Penny, daughter of Cameron and Desmond's fiance in his flashbacks.
But I'm sure we'll see Boatbilly Woman again someday. . . .:eek:

jbdean

04-30-2006, 04:40 AM

I doubt she's the girl, as they cast new actors for the roles of the girls that appear in the season finale. Since the girl in the photo and the boat chick have not been credited, we don't know if the "new" actors cast are not them. And unless they change the photo, they're going to have to use that same actress and since the boat chick was shown in the recap, I doubt they're going to recast her.
I think that the girl in the photo is supposed to be
Penny, daughter of Cameron and Desmond's fiance in his flashbacks.
But I'm sure we'll see Boatbilly Woman again someday. . . .:eek: And that's even more reason why they could be connected! Since Widmore is connected ... who's to say that the boat chick isn't Penny and why wouldn't the girl in the pix be Penny? Since the spoilers say he takes her photo with him when he leaves prison.I stand by my belief that they are one and the same. :biggrin: But I think you're right, STH, that we won't get to know who the boat chick is this season. :frown:

Save The Humans

05-01-2006, 01:24 AM

jbdean

05-01-2006, 02:03 AM

Jane, all I know is that:
There was an official ABC casting announcement saying they were looking for people to play Cameron AND Penny. So the actress(es) in the pix and on the boat don't seem to have made the cut. Heck, a little hair dye/styling on the actress who got the role of Penny, and a little photo tampering, and the girl in the pix will easily = Penny. Remember, most viewers aren't as rabid in their fandom as us! They won't remember what the girl in the pix looked like--if they even remember the pix! So most viewers won't notice show biz "magic" being pulled off. Hopefully, they'll do such a good job of it, we'll shrug off their sleight of hand!
Anyone here getting antsy about it not being Wednesday yet? Hmmm ... I seem to recall an "Official" ABC announcement that Desmond was returning in, what was it ... eppy 8? I don't don't hold too much for official announcements. LOL We'll just have to wait and see. :biggrin: And I still say the girl in the photo and the bomber chick are the same actress. If they change them, I will believe it's because they weren't supposed to be the same woman and they read that some, not just me, saw they were the same.