josekisan
10-18-2005, 10:05 AM
This sorta ties in with the Rabbit theories... although im new here so im catching up on what folks have been thinking on this forum. I'm reposting this line of thinking from here (http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=615273)
This Monster is low-tech stuff for sure... and i am not convinced the mechanical stuff, the black smoke and all the other indicators around The Monster all imply the same thing.
It's possible that the mechanical stuff we see is actually trying to SAVE them from the monster... and explains some of the sentiment from Locke. I suspect goign back and cross-checking voice and monster appearances with Vincent's trek's in the woods is also worth investigation because im very suspicious he's implicated somehow.
It would be fitting that Monster materials all would come from the mining gear from The Black Rock ship (which somebody said appeared to be a mining expedition). I still wonder if survivors of that ship are involved in island events and consider it a real possibility.
It's also possible that the black smoke pillar is some transformed creature (mammoth/elephant) related to the other, smaller black wisps we see as well as the voices... perhaps consequences of another strange dharma project.
So...
1. One of the Dharma projects has fundamentally altered people/creatures and they are "stuck" in a wispy black smoke form as perceived by normal folk. Perhaps they need help.
2. The voices in the woods are such "Wisp People," talking and observing... perhaps only partially overheard due to the presence of Vincent or some other catalyst.
3a. "The Monster" IS NOT a defense system as Rousseau believes but perhaps BOTH a roaming wisp creature from experimentation AND some other complex mechanical system made from the Black Rock mining materials which is being used to pull people under ground and out of the way of the actual beast
[or]
3b. "The Monster" IS a defense system combining the mining suppliers (pullies, chains, etc) and some form of wisp animal. It's defending one of the Dharma systems or perhaps something related to the Black Rock survivors (pirate treasure!).
So, imagine something like this....
The Incident was caused by a natural phenomenon on the island being out of their control (electromagnetic), tying into the storyline with the Black Rock's fate (see thomas hardy's poem for the additional treasure clues).
The incident... and everything else... points at the island itself... underground.
We have 6 constellations of apollo (as figured out by somebody else on the official lost board).
1. Corvus = crow
2. Crater = goblet
3. Cygnus = swan (project involving magnetics or satellite comm)
4. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
5. Orion = the hunter
6. Sagitta = arrow (new station with unknown project)
We also have: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html
1. The Hanso Life-Extension Project
2. The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative
3. The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
4. The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
5. The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative
6. The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute
7. The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility
Remove the aliens and well... it's a perfect match. However, i doubt that's precisely the breakdown of each project.
I think i can name several of the actual projects for the stations with a little brainstrorming... (JUMP IN!)
A. Cryogenetics anybody? What if Hanso's age and history lead him to such an obsession? What if his cryogenic situation implies satelite orbits and regular recalculations done with a special code? Yes, he might be in orbit... (sopmebody linked to http://www.uen.org/swan/argos.html - a satelite system which revolves around the planet every 108 minutes!)
B. Mathematical Forecasting and Remote Viewing? What if this numbers stuff got tied into some psychic experimentations along with the ability to see into the future and also play with mathematical prediction stuff? I believe one of the consequences of The Incident was to stir up a butterfly effect among these experiments... causing ripple effects all over the planet. The psychic and numbers tie-ins are not a coincidence, obviously, and i believe they are attracting waves of people to the island not out of direct intent but due to the accident. Only Hurley seems to sense this butterfly effects and the horrors it can cause...
C. Eugenics? Claire. Walt (his mom). Vincent. Polar bears. Alex. Perhaps Locke. I believe they were messing with something in Dharma and that this is the more sinister side of the story. I believe this might also tie in with the magnetics projects & the black wisps. I think The Incident also impacted this project somehow, partially creating the Monster sitaution.
D. Electomagnetics? We have the obvious "underground" mystery with the mining supplies and various themes pulling us farther undergound, including the "nothing since chernoble" cement wall. The wisps. I'm convinced the wisps and the Monster are tied to The Incident most directly and that one of the projects has caught people in this desperate ghost-like existence... unsure who to trust and what to do next.
If we poke around these ideas and imagine various teams sorta independently doing projects in various stations in the 70s... then we can begin to see how a single Incident could ripple effect through the island and into the rest of the world... with profound implications... leaving the teams pitted against each other and bringing waves of newcomers to the island where they try to make sense and survive themselves... as replacements or just as Others.
The monster comes closer into view... as do some of the themes and weird events.
I think the "sickness" is likely something akin to a madness caused by the fundamental Incident and electromagnetic imbalance on the island.
I think the medication Desmond was taking is something that stops people from going crazy with hallucinations and such. The line between "psychic" and "psycho" gets blurry and thus the slippery slope to insanity which has gripped most people on the island over time.
We have these paranoid groups of people with different interests and problems all converging.
In the end, we wont be able to figure it all out but i suspect we'll see a final choice come to a head... as they seek to help The Wisps on a leap of faith... and begin to put things back in place as they make a run for it.
Likewise, the Sickness combined with the Incident's butterfly effect is continually impacting the "real world' in scary ways, again, as only Hurley seems to understand since he's witnessed it so directly.
I think Desmond also understands this... hence his question about the world still being there...
This Monster is low-tech stuff for sure... and i am not convinced the mechanical stuff, the black smoke and all the other indicators around The Monster all imply the same thing.
It's possible that the mechanical stuff we see is actually trying to SAVE them from the monster... and explains some of the sentiment from Locke. I suspect goign back and cross-checking voice and monster appearances with Vincent's trek's in the woods is also worth investigation because im very suspicious he's implicated somehow.
It would be fitting that Monster materials all would come from the mining gear from The Black Rock ship (which somebody said appeared to be a mining expedition). I still wonder if survivors of that ship are involved in island events and consider it a real possibility.
It's also possible that the black smoke pillar is some transformed creature (mammoth/elephant) related to the other, smaller black wisps we see as well as the voices... perhaps consequences of another strange dharma project.
So...
1. One of the Dharma projects has fundamentally altered people/creatures and they are "stuck" in a wispy black smoke form as perceived by normal folk. Perhaps they need help.
2. The voices in the woods are such "Wisp People," talking and observing... perhaps only partially overheard due to the presence of Vincent or some other catalyst.
3a. "The Monster" IS NOT a defense system as Rousseau believes but perhaps BOTH a roaming wisp creature from experimentation AND some other complex mechanical system made from the Black Rock mining materials which is being used to pull people under ground and out of the way of the actual beast
[or]
3b. "The Monster" IS a defense system combining the mining suppliers (pullies, chains, etc) and some form of wisp animal. It's defending one of the Dharma systems or perhaps something related to the Black Rock survivors (pirate treasure!).
So, imagine something like this....
The Incident was caused by a natural phenomenon on the island being out of their control (electromagnetic), tying into the storyline with the Black Rock's fate (see thomas hardy's poem for the additional treasure clues).
The incident... and everything else... points at the island itself... underground.
We have 6 constellations of apollo (as figured out by somebody else on the official lost board).
1. Corvus = crow
2. Crater = goblet
3. Cygnus = swan (project involving magnetics or satellite comm)
4. Ophiuchus = serpent handler
5. Orion = the hunter
6. Sagitta = arrow (new station with unknown project)
We also have: http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html
1. The Hanso Life-Extension Project
2. The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative
3. The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
4. The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
5. The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative
6. The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute
7. The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility
Remove the aliens and well... it's a perfect match. However, i doubt that's precisely the breakdown of each project.
I think i can name several of the actual projects for the stations with a little brainstrorming... (JUMP IN!)
A. Cryogenetics anybody? What if Hanso's age and history lead him to such an obsession? What if his cryogenic situation implies satelite orbits and regular recalculations done with a special code? Yes, he might be in orbit... (sopmebody linked to http://www.uen.org/swan/argos.html - a satelite system which revolves around the planet every 108 minutes!)
B. Mathematical Forecasting and Remote Viewing? What if this numbers stuff got tied into some psychic experimentations along with the ability to see into the future and also play with mathematical prediction stuff? I believe one of the consequences of The Incident was to stir up a butterfly effect among these experiments... causing ripple effects all over the planet. The psychic and numbers tie-ins are not a coincidence, obviously, and i believe they are attracting waves of people to the island not out of direct intent but due to the accident. Only Hurley seems to sense this butterfly effects and the horrors it can cause...
C. Eugenics? Claire. Walt (his mom). Vincent. Polar bears. Alex. Perhaps Locke. I believe they were messing with something in Dharma and that this is the more sinister side of the story. I believe this might also tie in with the magnetics projects & the black wisps. I think The Incident also impacted this project somehow, partially creating the Monster sitaution.
D. Electomagnetics? We have the obvious "underground" mystery with the mining supplies and various themes pulling us farther undergound, including the "nothing since chernoble" cement wall. The wisps. I'm convinced the wisps and the Monster are tied to The Incident most directly and that one of the projects has caught people in this desperate ghost-like existence... unsure who to trust and what to do next.
If we poke around these ideas and imagine various teams sorta independently doing projects in various stations in the 70s... then we can begin to see how a single Incident could ripple effect through the island and into the rest of the world... with profound implications... leaving the teams pitted against each other and bringing waves of newcomers to the island where they try to make sense and survive themselves... as replacements or just as Others.
The monster comes closer into view... as do some of the themes and weird events.
I think the "sickness" is likely something akin to a madness caused by the fundamental Incident and electromagnetic imbalance on the island.
I think the medication Desmond was taking is something that stops people from going crazy with hallucinations and such. The line between "psychic" and "psycho" gets blurry and thus the slippery slope to insanity which has gripped most people on the island over time.
We have these paranoid groups of people with different interests and problems all converging.
In the end, we wont be able to figure it all out but i suspect we'll see a final choice come to a head... as they seek to help The Wisps on a leap of faith... and begin to put things back in place as they make a run for it.
Likewise, the Sickness combined with the Incident's butterfly effect is continually impacting the "real world' in scary ways, again, as only Hurley seems to understand since he's witnessed it so directly.
I think Desmond also understands this... hence his question about the world still being there...