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AndyK
10-21-2005, 09:41 AM
Has anyone had a theory as to why Jack, or Locke, or ANYONE hasn't thought to arm as many Lostaways as possible, using all the guns in the hatch?? I mean, a few episodes back, they were cowering in a cave waiting to be slaughtered by the others.

There is a locker full of automatic weapons--why not use them to defend themselves??

sier
10-21-2005, 09:42 AM
My guess is because they are convinced the "others" were a hoax created by Rosseau to steal Claires baby. It has been two days since that incident and the Others never came, so why heavily arm yourself against nothing?

cbsgough
10-21-2005, 09:45 AM
sier's got a point.
Also would you give a bunch of semi's to people you don't know? Look what Charlie did to Ethan? You would have paranoid people shooting anything that moved. Instead of 43 lostaways there would be 6.

Southern Belle
10-21-2005, 09:51 AM
sier's got a point.
Also would you give a bunch of semi's to people you don't know? Look what Charlie did to Ethan? You would have paranoid people shooting anything that moved. Instead of 43 lostaways there would be 6.

You both have a point about the guns, wouldn't want people shooting at other castaways...but now that Jack and Sayid know they are there, when the Others finally show up, if they ever do, they can arm the people who know how to shoot and defend themselves.

Thank God Sayid has knowledge of such things, and Ecko on the other team, beat he does too.

AndyK
10-21-2005, 09:51 AM
Good points...but you would think there would be assigned armed look-outs, trusted Lostaways that would act as guards?

You can't shoot at smoke creatures that drag you under ground. But you CAN defend yourself against the "human" others, no? Even Ursula Andres had a big knife on the beach!

fak
10-21-2005, 09:54 AM
i think they are sensible limiting who has guns - look what happened when Charlie got hold of one. Since no "Others" turned up, I'm guessing they've just written it off as Danielle being a nutter. There haven't been any further attacks of people on the beach, so why would they think they need protecting?

Stress + Guns = Bad

Southern Belle
10-21-2005, 10:03 AM
Good points...but you would think there would be assigned armed look-outs, trusted Lostaways that would act as guards?

You can't shoot at smoke creatures that drag you under ground. But you CAN defend yourself against the "human" others, no? Even Ursula Andres had a big knife on the beach!

You hit right on!! You can't shoot a smoke creature, I'm still unclear if the smoke creature is 'the Others' or if it is the security device on the island, this is probably off topic, sorry.

RamessesIX
10-21-2005, 10:10 AM
Yeah, I don't think Jack thinks it would be a good idea to have everyone going about their business toting automatic rifles. I can definitely see the potential for accidents there. And you're right, they don't even know that there are any real "Others".

I will say that I think the Others may be in for some payback when Michael and the tail enders get a load of Desmond's arsenal.

AndyK
10-21-2005, 10:15 AM
Wonder if Desmond's arsonal contains one of those rapid-fire cannons they used in Predator!? Fire that thing into the jungle - no more Others! No more show either...

Aversion
10-21-2005, 11:14 AM
Locke was testing and inventorying the weapons but I don't think there's any need to arm the camp generally. Since there really is no immediate threat to this group I don't see why they would even mention the guns, I doubt many of the group would be that competent with the kind of guns they found and it can only create a feeling of paranoia. So far the group as a whole only knows about ethan, desmond (possibly) and the french woman, ethan's dead and the other two don't really warrant turning the camp into a fort.

I'm sure once ms rodriquez gets there and finds the weapons her and locke will marry and start a cult, but until then...

The most interesting thing about the guns is that it means the group is better armed than the 'others' now, they seem to be a rag tag band without decent weapons going by the encounter on the boat and with the feet.

AndyK
10-21-2005, 11:26 AM
The most interesting thing about the guns is that it means the group is better armed than the 'others' now, they seem to be a rag tag band without decent weapons going by the encounter on the boat and with the feet.

That's what I'm getting at! At worst, Jack should tell the group that they are well-armed, and should be able to take on the others (assuming the others are those pirate deliverance guys) without a problem.

I assume when the rafters finally get back to camp, and describe the boat that attacked them, SOMEONE will figure out a plan to hijack that boat away from those goons, and set sail to find help? I sure would! 10 guys with machine guns should be able to take on a few pirates with handguns!

Or is that too "real life" for a fantasy show like Lost?

cpt.napalm
10-21-2005, 12:37 PM
Not everyone can use a gun and most likely they wouldn't use it effectively if put it a situation where they woudl have to use it. Especially the assault rifles. Any weapon you use can be turned against you. Imagine charlie has an AK. Charlie get attacked he misses, the other steals his gun. Now you have the others who were already proficent at killing people with sitcks and their bare hands carrying the same firepower you have.

briburkhart
10-21-2005, 02:00 PM
No others? Who in the camp could possibly believe there are no others at this point? Charlie? Wasn't the near-death experience enough for him? The death of Steve(Scott?), Claire's abduction? Rousseau is armed, and may be insane, she bonked Claire on the head and stole her baby once. Who's to say she doesn't do something again? Ok, if that isn't enough, there is the monster, or security system in the jungle. There is/was Polar Bears, Wild boar, and god-knows what other natural animals. Surely the logical thing would be to have some kind of armed security detail as a form of protection. Maybe not everyone should be armed, but some should. Certainly, this makes much more sense than Claire walking alone on the beach 2 days after her baby was kidnapped by a madwoman.

elfdream
10-21-2005, 02:13 PM
Charlie's statement bothers me but not as much as no one calling him on it. I have no idea why he is in denial but someone could have said "Charlie.. get a grip! you're in denial!!'. but no one said a word.

Veiny Eyeball
10-21-2005, 02:13 PM
I suspect the armoury will come in to play eventually, especially when Ana and the rest of her edgy, tormented comrades find out about it.

AndyK
10-21-2005, 02:37 PM
Surely the logical thing would be to have some kind of armed security detail as a form of protection. Maybe not everyone should be armed, but some should. Certainly, this makes much more sense than Claire walking alone on the beach 2 days after her baby was kidnapped by a madwoman.

Yup! My point exactly! Protect the hotties at least! :biggrin:

AndyK
10-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Not everyone can use a gun and most likely they wouldn't use it effectively if put it a situation where they woudl have to use it. Especially the assault rifles. Any weapon you use can be turned against you. Imagine charlie has an AK. Charlie get attacked he misses, the other steals his gun. Now you have the others who were already proficent at killing people with sitcks and their bare hands carrying the same firepower you have.

Good point. That's why you have a security detail, made up of guys/girls that know guns, and know how to use them!
Sawyer
Kate
Locke
Etc.

briburkhart
10-21-2005, 02:42 PM
Yup! My point exactly! Protect the hotties at least! :biggrin:
Heh, or arm the hotties! Shannon: "Take me Brian, or else!"
Brian: "Well, if you insist!"

Zada
10-21-2005, 09:59 PM
This isn't really on topic but it's related anyway.

Why is there an aresenal of guns in the hatch? The hatch is supposed to a station used to study the magnetic field in the area. Why would they need all those guns? Having a gun or two on hand for protection or even hunting is one thing, but a whole closet full? Something doesn't add up.

AndyK
10-21-2005, 10:41 PM
This isn't really on topic but it's related anyway.

Why is there an aresenal of guns in the hatch? The hatch is supposed to a station used to study the magnetic field in the area. Why would they need all those guns? Having a gun or two on hand for protection or even hunting is one thing, but a whole closet full? Something doesn't add up.

I dont think we know exactly what the original purpose of the hatches were, and how valuable the experiment's secrecy was. Maybe the company put the guns there to guard their secret?

Good point though! If there were only teams of 2 in the hatches, why have 20 assault weapons?

Aversion
10-22-2005, 01:19 PM
Maybe the guns were put there after the 'incident' rather than while the bunker was an operational lab.

Anyone have a screen grab showing how many guns there are?

LostIn48073
10-22-2005, 01:34 PM
From "Homecoming":
KATE: We're beyond sharpening knives here, Jack.
JACK: I'm not putting guns in untrained hands.

Stands to reason he'd maintain this line of thought. I too am wondering the reason so many assault weapons are in the station. One thing for sure is their purpose isn't for hunting. They may be used to hunt, but those are most definitely weapons designed for combat.

Veiny Eyeball
10-22-2005, 01:45 PM
This isn't really on topic but it's related anyway.

Why is there an aresenal of guns in the hatch? The hatch is supposed to a station used to study the magnetic field in the area. Why would they need all those guns? Having a gun or two on hand for protection or even hunting is one thing, but a whole closet full? Something doesn't add up.

As an interesting aside, I wonder how well armed Rousseau's "science expedition" was? We've seen her in possession of at least several weapons: scavanged from someplace, perhaps?