In the extras on the dvd they show the original script as being titled..."The Circle"...along with this knowledge, the hidden message in the LOST magazine says (the one in the background of pages 4 8 15 16 23 42) It will all come back around.

Has anyone started a thread somewhere working on the idea of a full circle? I did a search but came up empty...surely somone is working on theories about a circle.

Any help is welcomed...thanks:biggrin:


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I briefly heard this idea somewhere else. With the circle, I think that eventually, on say the 42nd day or 108th day, everything will start over, come full circle. I take this as either a full understanding of what has happened to everyone on the island or another plane crash.

Thanks Kristatos...

Any other ideas or links??

I mean if they were going to name the show The Circle then it has to have somthing to do with the who idea of whats happening.

How about this :-
The jack /desmond talk after desmond has left the hatch jack catches up with him.
Desmond asks him how the girl was he operated on,his response to jacks answer is'nt one of surprise but it looks like he knew what had happened already.
As he leaves he says 'see you in another life,brother'.
Its what he said to him when he met him while running in the stadium.
The book 'the third policeman' that the producers mentioned had the idea that you could somehow look into the past by using a series of mirrors.
Maybe the numbers in the show were discovered to cause a slight tear in time in which you could go back and forth through time.Using the data they could have constructed a machine that would let you do this.This could be what is buried under the hatch,it would have to have huge power consumption and the island with its massive electro magnetic force could be the source of energy needed for this.
The general view of time is that its like a straight line,but if there are alternative ways time can change like a form of chance and you could go back and rectify mistakes.
One idea was that time is layered with many outcomes in what action's you take in decision making.
Now here's the hard part:-
jack meets desmond in the stadium he hears about the girl and the operation.
He gets to the island (i don't believe he just arrived there i think he's part of the hanso project) he's part of the team working on the project,we haven't been told what he does just that he was going to be a doctor,he uses the machine and by meeting jack again he somehow upsets the pattern of events triggering off the alternative outcome of the operation.Sarah wakes and the operation seems like a miracle.If jack had'nt met desmond then sarah would have been crippled.
If you take that as an example then the show takes on another meaning,there's a lot of refrencing to time,choices and the very nature of the programme shown in flashbacks with no timescales would back up this idea.
That my view on it anyway,but feel free to point any glaring faults with it!!

Interesting discussion.
I always thought the phrase "it'll come back around" referred to Karma. Karma = cause & effect - those who have performed evil acts in their lives will experience the effects of the evil they sowed. Same for the good deed doers.
But like many things on this show, the circle may be a twofold idea. For example "...and Found" has meaning both in the current experiences on the isalnd, and in the flashback.

Maybe "The Circle" works like this.
Sometime way back, perhaps when "Adam & Eve" first arrived on the island, someone brought with them a disease. The sick wandered the island spreading their disease amongst the island critters.
The Black Rock crashed on the island. Some of the survivors got the sickness and others either died a natural death or were killed by the sick.
Later, Danielle's team crashed, some got the sickness and escaped into the jungle, and some got killed off by her.
Those maddened with the disease, who wander the island violently killing off anyone they encounter are who she referred to as "the Others".
Recently, flight 815 crashed. Some will get the sickness and others will not. But those who dont will have to fight for their lives to defend themselves from the sickies.

The circle will not be broken until someone identifies the disease and finds a cure.

How all this fits in with the hatches, Dharma, and the security system, I have no idea.

Perhaps it coming back around refers to their chance at redemption. You get a second chance..Sawyer gets a second chance NOT to kill someone, Kate the same, Jack gets a second chance at saving the unsavalbe(he has lost two people already), ect...
The island offers them some redemption from their past sins, if they are willing to make the change

Maybe they all get back to society and once again find themselves lost and struggling find their own way through the world; just like they were doing before they crashed; just like they've done on the island; just like we all do our entire lives...

Maybe by the time we know more about the island and the characters we will start to wonder whether or not they were actually "lost" in the first place.

My question is.. how can things go full circle if everything is going to change?

Because the only constant is change...

I think its the circle of life like in the lion king. For every death, there is a birth, for every exit, an introduction of character.

for example, ethan died but aaron was born
desmond exits stage left, jack enters stage right.

perhaps...but Im not sure I see how that applies to Boone, Ethan, or the others that have died, ie, who replaced the Marshal, Who replaced Boone?
and what if anything will it bring to bear on the Tailers?

I agree with MPmom and Night Voices. I thought "It'll come back around" was talking about karma. You do something bad, it'll eventually come back to haunt you. Like in Sawyer's case.

I agree with MPmom and Night Voices. I thought "It'll come back around" was talking about karma. You do something bad, it'll eventually come back to haunt you. Like in Sawyer's case.

I agree. And Buddhists believe that karma can follow you from one life to another. (Locke: "we all get a new life on the island".)

Desmond's 'see you in another life' may be a reference to this belief, because karma can be positive or negative. So it might have had one meaning when he said it to Jack in the stadium afrer encouraging him to believe in miracles and quite another when he said it again in the jungle with Jack pointing a gun at him.

This is an interesting concept. On the Dharma Initiative website, when you click on the logo, you are taken to a picture of the island with Jack/Jack's Dad (I believe it changed from one to the other). A circle forms that displays numbers counting up. When the circle is complete it displays the number 100. I thought it was going to display 108. Does anyone have any ideas about the significance of the circle and the number 100?

This is an interesting concept. On the Dharma Initiative website, when you click on the logo, you are taken to a picture of the island with Jack/Jack's Dad (I believe it changed from one to the other). A circle forms that displays numbers counting up. When the circle is complete it displays the number 100. I thought it was going to display 108. Does anyone have any ideas about the significance of the circle and the number 100?

Is that the flash loading sequence?

Is that the flash loading sequence?

I guess so. I just clicked on the main logo because I couldn't get in with any username/password that I could think of. It takes a pretty long time to completely load (if you live in the dial-up dark ages anyway) Anyone else able to view this?

i was unaware that the circle was they original name of the show, i suppose it could have something to do with all they connections the people have to each other.

In the extras on the dvd they show the original script as being titled..."The Circle"...along with this knowledge, the hidden message in the LOST magazine says (the one in the background of pages 4 8 15 16 23 42) It will all come back around.

Has anyone started a thread somewhere working on the idea of a full circle? I did a search but came up empty...surely somone is working on theories about a circle.

Any help is welcomed...thanks:biggrin:


108 here is something to listen to while you are going in circles http://www.ladyjayes.com/windmills.html

The rings were the circles in .........and Found

This is an interesting concept. On the Dharma Initiative website, when you click on the logo, you are taken to a picture of the island with Jack/Jack's Dad (I believe it changed from one to the other). A circle forms that displays numbers counting up. When the circle is complete it displays the number 100. I thought it was going to display 108. Does anyone have any ideas about the significance of the circle and the number 100?


which web site are you talking about? thedharmainitiative.org? i click on that and see the film. does anyone know how to "login" on that site? Thanks

hmm...I don't know what other website referred to either....but I did find this site interesting if it helps 108...all these different symbolic representations of the circle in art and architecture history...far from comprehensive but a nice place to start a downward spiral of insanity trying to figure it all out...

I particularly like the wheel of Dharma circle, the wheel of Fortune, a symbol of eternity, Yin and Yang circle, Hubble circle, and the center of the eye(window to the soul- how many close up shots of the eye or eye references have there been on the show, you know?)....
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit9/unit9.html


...and how many different character issues and story themes that we've seen can one fit to match these symbols?...maybe a better question would be where hasn't it fit lol? it's everywhere...the title may just be a compilation of all of them in one form or another...

so excellent question, it definitely has to be key to situation if they pegged it as the original title...

man, btw, awesome interpretation on Desmond's "see you in another life "...one of the great ideas I've read on here...

This is an interesting concept. On the Dharma Initiative website, when you click on the logo, you are taken to a picture of the island with Jack/Jack's Dad (I believe it changed from one to the other). A circle forms that displays numbers counting up. When the circle is complete it displays the number 100. I thought it was going to display 108. Does anyone have any ideas about the significance of the circle and the number 100?

Sorry for the erroneous info - I must have wasted too many brain cells on these sites! The correct website is:

www.theislandiswaiting.com (http://www.theislandiswaiting.com)

Check it out.