I've been bothered by the fact that Danielle's SOS message made reference to the Black Rock ever since finding out that the Black Rock was a ship. I always thought it odd that she would use it as a point of reference and a rendezvous point. The reason being if she were on an Island that was not her original destination how would anyone know what the Black Rock was? It doesn't make sense.

Unless her research team was sent to experiment in a different sector of the Island. Now her message would make sense since she is contacting someone with knowledge of the Island and would know, not only what the Black Rock is but where to find it. DHARMA would have this knowledge.

Danielle also knows that the "Security System" is there to protect the Island. How does she know that unless it was part of her orientation film? We still don't know what her team was sent to research. Yet a scientific team that just happens to crash into an Island that is being used for scientific research is too much of a coincidence for me.

Danielle worked for Dharma. Could the incident being referred to on the tape be her getting sick and murdering her team?

A whole lot about that tranmission has always bothered me. If you listen to it very carefully it sounds like it had been sent specifically to someone or a group of people..it wasn't just 'here is a random distress call and I hope some passing somebody picks it up' kind of thing.

I have to agree with you on that. Lets face it, If the Dharma Initiative is still in operation, which really is the million dollar question (well, one of many) its seems implausible that they would not have noticed the distress call, that as far as we know, could potentially be picked up at quite a distance. I strongly doubt that even if Dharma no longer uses the island, if Sayid is correct and the message has been on for 17 years- surely someone involved in the project would have shut it down long ago. I just cannot fathom that if Dharma still uses the island why they would allow a radio transmission to be broadcast for this long, and thus drawing otherwise unneeded attention to the island.

I had to go back to Lost Links and look at the transmission again. Here it is:

If anybody can hear this, they are dead. I’ll try to go to the Black Rock. Please help us.

He (or it) is outside, he’s (it’s) outside and Brandon took the keys. Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead.

They are all dead, help us….

He’s (it’s) outside, please help us. Please help us.

If anybody can hear this, I ask him (most probably not ‘it’) to go to the Black Rock.

Please help us, they are all dead, they are dead.

He (it) killed them, he (it) killed them all.

I ask him (most probably not ‘it’) to go to the Black Rock.


lostbylost - this has been an idea that has been rattling around in my (most empty :rolleyes: ) brain. Thanks for putting it into a post. There are several questions to this:

Where is the radio tower? During Season 1, we didn't know. Now, I assume that it is located on top of one of the other stations.

If so, was this Danielle's assigned station?

Is the Black Rock actually another entrance to one of the stations? Now, I believe so. That is why she is attempting to get back to the Black Rock. If "it" has killed them all, why would she hide out in a broken down ship. She would be safer somewhere else. So, I assume that there is more to the ship than we saw last season.

Who is Brandon?

What are the keys for?

Why did Brandon take the keys?

Who is the transmission's intended target? LBL and elfdrean, I think you are spot on. This was meant for Dharma people - either onshore or offshore. Otherwise, the Black Rock would be a meaningless phrase (as meaningless as it was to us before the search for dynamite).

AH, a pet theory of mine...Both Desmond and Danielle are part of the group conducting the experiment on the island. They are aware of the "survivors" and are baiting them along the way. And I would not be the least bit surprised if one of the "survivors" is a plant to ensure that the experiment goes smoothly

As a one-time ESL teacher, I am naturally interested in foreign languages and the translation thereof. It is no secret that translation is not an exact science. It's more of an art. You grasp the real meaning of what a person wants to convey in their language and change the words however necessary to convey that meaning as exactly as possible in your own. I have often thought that the sentence translated from french to english as, "It is outside." would more logically be something like "It got away. It's out of it's cage. It's running around loose!" Then, the sentence "It killed them all." makes more sense to me. Yes, Danielle is reporting to her superiors that her dangerous experiment has escaped and murdered her team members.

As a one-time ESL teacher, I am naturally interested in foreign languages and the translation thereof. It is no secret that translation is not an exact science. It's more of an art. You grasp the real meaning of what a person wants to convey in their language and change the words however necessary to convey that meaning as exactly as possible in your own. I have often thought that the sentence translated from french to english as, "It is outside." would more logically be something like "It got away. It's out of it's cage. It's running around loose!" Then, the sentence "It killed them all." makes more sense to me. Yes, Danielle is reporting to her superiors that her dangerous experiment has escaped and murdered her team members.

Your translation does make sense within the context of the rest of the transmission. But, she may have been referring to the sickness (some bacteria, virus, nanobots?) that was released more than a physical being.

Does anyone have the actual French transmission?

Right, Honbon. It escaped. It got away. No real way to determine what "it" could be.

Does anyone have the actual French transmission?

You can find it on the Lost Links website (http://lostlinks.net/) under the Transmissions link.

"It" is the mystery same as the security system. But personally I think "IT" is a virus that is or was spread thru the food supply in the bunkers, thus Desmond taking the inoculation each day in order to consume it

As a one-time ESL teacher, I am naturally interested in foreign languages and the translation thereof. It is no secret that translation is not an exact science. It's more of an art. You grasp the real meaning of what a person wants to convey in their language and change the words however necessary to convey that meaning as exactly as possible in your own. I have often thought that the sentence translated from french to english as, "It is outside." would more logically be something like "It got away. It's out of it's cage. It's running around loose!" Then, the sentence "It killed them all." makes more sense to me. Yes, Danielle is reporting to her superiors that her dangerous experiment has escaped and murdered her team members.

Good points. It's also interesting to note that she says, "please help us." Is this a translation hiccup with regards to pronoun usage, or a subtle hint at something else?

I guess we could also consider the possibility that the Black Rock itself is a facade for the radio tower, perhaps elaborately hidden within one of the masts. I've been brooding over the fact that the ship is far too intact considering its supposed age, and masts would certainly be one of the first things to break off/wither away; and yet I distinctly remember that at least one was still upright on the vessel.

But on the other hand, it doesn't really strike me as the best location for a major transmitter.

Good points. It's also interesting to note that she says, "please help us." Is this a translation hiccup with regards to pronoun usage, or a subtle hint at something else?

I guess we could also consider the possibility that the Black Rock itself is a facade for the radio tower, perhaps elaborately hidden within one of the masts. I've been brooding over the fact that the ship is far too intact considering its supposed age, and masts would certainly be one of the first things to break off/wither away; and yet I distinctly remember that at least one was still upright on the vessel.

But on the other hand, it doesn't really strike me as the best location for a major transmitter.


That's an interesting take on the Black Rock. I think your onto something here with the masts being intact. On a tropical island with tropical storms those babies would have fallen a long time ago?

Especially so when you consider Artz's specualtion as to how the ship arrived inland: carried by a tidal wave force. Such a violent event would have surely torn the masts asunder, let alone the rest of the ship.

the pix of the black rock (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=737) shows all 3 masts still intact. Hmmmm.....

The Black Rock is just a prop like so many other things on the island to test and record the response of the "survivors". Danielle took them there, but have they gone back on their own? Nope.
The transmitter could still very well be hidden in the ship somewhere, no one has really searched it completely.
Additonally, Perhaps the ship hides yet another access point to another "station" All is not as it seems to be on this island, and the ship is just another proving point.

I always wondered why, after hearing about the tower and receiving signals from it, that Sayid or someone wasn't more interested in tracking it down. Maybe they tried but because it was hidden in the Black Rock they couldn't find it and gave up the search.

Also, if there are 5 stations on the island, I would think that there would have to be a central location they all reported to. Sort of like a main hub that was distant from the experiments that could (and apparently did) end in disaster.

i wonder if there is a white rock, like adam & eve had, how could it go so far inland and not get ruined

As to the , "Please help US", there are 6 teams, according to the orientation film. I'm sure each knew about the 5 others. Danielle could be expressing that even though her own team are all now dead, SHE AND THE OTHER 5 TEAMS need help.

However, I realize this does not jive with the deranged Danielle we have met on the island, who says she has only heard, not seen, people, and does not mention other teams at all.

Did Danielle make the transmission before or after the Others took Alex? If it was before, perhaps her "Please help us" refers to she and Alex.

I thought her team was dead. Who the heck is Brandon and why would he take the keys..and the keys to what?

As to the , "Please help US", there are 6 teams, according to the orientation film. I'm sure each knew about the 5 others. Danielle could be expressing that even though her own team are all now dead, SHE AND THE OTHER 5 TEAMS need help.

However, I realize this does not jive with the deranged Danielle we have met on the island, who says she has only heard, not seen, people, and does not mention other teams at all.


This makes a lot of sense, and with a bit more info, I'm sure we can explain away your 2nd paragraph. It never crossed my mind that Danielle could have been there when the "incident" happened.

elfdream, Now that LuvMySayid planted that thought, I'm thinking Brandon could have been the leader of one of the other Hatches? So that gives us Kelvin, Brandon, Danielle and Desmond. We only need 2 more leaders?

The key could be to the White Rock? Safe House? Or maybe the key is the code (numbers) to stop the "incident"?

Desmond has been "working" for the DHARMA initiative, and looks like nobody asked him if he wanted to, he ended up down the hatch "accidentally". So maybe the same applies to Danielle. Maybe her group was "accidentally" brought to the island to have them working in it.

WIF!!! the key could equal code, not a physical key! I love that thought!

Now if that is true..why would Brandon take it?

What is Dr. DeGroot's first name btw? Anyone know?

Yesssss! Brandon took the "key" to the safe house! WaltisFuture, you have it. All the teams would have known about a safe house, of course, in case of an "incident" with these potentially dangerous experiments.

Hmmm, but why wouldn't everyone in every team have a key? Or at least every leader. It makes no sense if there was only one key.

So we have Danielle sending out a transmission to a specific group telling them that 'it' killed them all and she will try to get to the Black Rock.

It being a sickness (or possibly the security styem got loose). The person receiving would know what 'it' was. The people receiving would also know the significance of 'the Black Rock.

So did Brandom get 'sick' and take the key..or did he take the 'key' and get taken by the security system?

Excellent discussion.

I like the idea that the "Key" is actually a code like the numbers being entered into the computer.

Did DHARMA abandon the project because of this second incident and that is why no one has come?

You have seperate codes for each of the bunkers, if Danielle's team was there to provide relief for Brandon and he took the key they could not function.

DeGroots are Gerald and Karen, I believe.

Even the rigging looks intact on the ship! Dynamite and shackled skeletons would keep most people away from a secret entrance.

I'm still believing Desmond and Danielle that they crashed by accident. The simplest explanation is that something magnetic is there, sucking in planes and ships. I think the numbers keep a lid on it for 108 minutes at a time, and that Desmond missed an input 44 days ago, causing the Oceanic crash.

I really think that Desmond and Danielle both stumbled upon an island experiment gone wrong before they got there. There are plenty of characters on this island who are good at deception (Kate and Locke, e.g.) but I don't think Desmond and Danielle are acting for the Lostaways. Getting all emotional over a fixed music box, or packing one's stuffed rabbit just seem like acts of people who desperately need comfort, not some island insider.

Then again, we have ruthless Kate all strange over a toy airplane. So y'all may be right.

Could somebody please link/post the "French transmission" again here? I want to see if there's a possibility Danielle could have said or implied "Brandon still has the key." Like he got tired of waiting (?) figured they weren't coming (?) or even left for some reason before they/his replacements arrived, and didn't leave them the key.

The Black Rock might either actually be the safe house itself or maybe the place where all team members meet up to go to the safe house together (as a group).

If Danielle is to be believed about the things that happened to her team, and the ordeal she must have gone through, she was likely non compos mentis whilst creating the message. This may, in part, explain some of the more ambiguous elements of her transmission.

I think it's best to be wary when interpreting Danielle's words and her subsequent claims about herself and the island.

I'll grant you she is a poor witness and in a pitiful state, but as she is all we've got, we must make the best of her version till we get a chance to obtain other eye-witness information.

I'm still believing Desmond and Danielle that they crashed by accident.

I agree with you. We know from Numbers that Danielle and her team followed the broadcast of the cursed numbers to the island. She ended up changing that transmission to her distress call.

Also, the timeline of the incident on the orientation movie doesn't line up. I believe the copyright date on that was 1980, and if Sayid is right on Danielle being there 16 years, she didn't arrive until about 1988 (presuming the crash was in 2004; let's not debate that one here!). So it would have had to be a second incident.

As for the "us" in the translation, I'll go with her referring to Alex as well. We know she is still obsessed with her missing daughter, so I don't think of it as a stretch for her to include her in her distress call without making that explicit.

But, none of this prevents Danielle from knowing a lot more than she has said about the Black Rock, Dharma, etc. I think this is a really interesting conversation - I just wanted to add some of what we already know back into it.

From Numbers:
MARTHA TOOMEY: Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring long wave transmissions over the pacific. Boring job. Sam hated it. Nothing to do but listen to static night after night -- till one night, back sixteen years ago, there's something in the static. A voice cuts through -- a voice repeating those numbers over and over again.

(later)

DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: Our ship picked up a transmission -- a voice repeating those
numbers. We changed course to investigate. After we shipwrecked, my team continued to search for the transmission source. It was weeks before we found the radio tower.
HURLEY: There's a radio tower on this island?
DANIELLE ROUSSEAU: Yes. Up by the Black Rock. Some of us continued to search
for the meaning of those numbers while we waited for rescue. But then the sickness came. When my team was gone, I went back up to the tower and changed the transmission.

Notice Hurley never tells Danielle about Sam and Lenny hearing a broadcast of the numbers, she offers that fact herself. Did she know because the rest of her story is true about the shipwreck? Or did she know because she was a member of DHARMA that knew that sequence of numbers was being broadcast? Did she also know that the broadcast could be picked up by listening posts off island and possibly overheard if she changed it? Is part of her transmission a code that other DHARMA personnel would understand like Desmond's snowman riddle? In order to mask its true meaning from off island listeners? Granted her transmission would nevertheless be construed as an SOS and no rescue ever came that we know of. Did she change the frequency of the transmission?

Edit: one flaw with this- the DHARMA film is in English, wouldn't that have been their language of choice, not French.

Does anyone know if Danielle's rifle is the same make as the ones in the hatch?

Wow, ducky, you used some of the same information as me to come to a totally different conclusion! That's why this show is great, huh?

Danielle is inconsistent, but are her inconsisitence a product of deceit or flawed memory after 16 years of solitude?

Boone had a vision, for lack of a better word, in that vision Shannon was killed and he felt relief. It's possible that Danielle had a vision in which she killed her team members because she feels guilty about what happened to them. Remember, one of the stations is devoted to the study of Parapsychology. This could have something to do with Jack's seeing his father, Shannon seeing Walt, Claire's dream about the Balck Rock, the WHISPER's, Locke's dream about teresa,Boone's and Danielle's vision.

here's a link that explains Parapsychology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology

Danielle's rifle is a bolt action hunting rifle. The ones in the hatch are more military in nature and are auto/semi automatic.
As for the boats of Danielle's crashing and sinking, the plane was consumed by the rising tide, so what about Desmonds boat? He said he crashed there also...and if he knew little or nothing about the island, how could he just go crashing off into the jungle?
Nah, Both Danielle and Desmond are in on this, perhaps they are not aware of one another, but they are both working towards the same objective, and that is the experiment of the survivors.

This might be all be bunch of hot air and the transmission be just as Danielle represents it to be.. but I would think someone who is travelling about by ship with a team would know at the very least how to send an SOS transmission..no matter how distraught.

"To anyone hearing this...my name is Danielle Rosseau. I was with the XXXX team under the direction of zzzz. and we were investigating whatever. We crashed on this island on August 15 ...blah blah. I am the lone suvivor and I am nine months pregnant. Please send help.'

Instead we get blathering about the Black rock and Brandon and they are all dead. Anyone hearing this might well think someone's kid got on the radio and is playing a prank. We don't hear her name..we don't hear who she was with. We don't hear the name of her other team mates. Nothing.

It could be what she said it was..it could also be a code.

Hi jennylee *waves*!

Well, no conclusions really, just more questions.

Good point about the timeline. Here's another thing I'm wondering about. Martha Tooomey says they listen night after night until one night 16 years ago they hear the numbers. Was that the first night the numbers were broadcast? Was the broadcast in itself a coded distress call to DHARMA personnel in the outside world that another incident had occured? Perhaps that the sickness had been released? Danielle said it was weeks before they found the tower and even longer until she changed the broadcast. Did the Navy ever check out the signal during that time? Did DHARMA?

The questions never end.....

Could somebody please link/post the "French transmission" again here? I want to see if there's a possibility Danielle could have said or implied "Brandon still has the key." Like he got tired of waiting (?) figured they weren't coming (?) or even left for some reason before they/his replacements arrived, and didn't leave them the key.

The Black Rock might either actually be the safe house itself or maybe the place where all team members meet up to go to the safe house together (as a group).

You can find Danielle's transmission (in both English and French) on the Lost Links website http://lostlinks.net/. Click on "Episode Transcripts" at the top of the page.

It is very interesting that the numbers are a code input into the computer, they also put in motion Sam, Lenny, Hurley and Danielle.

Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, ils sont morts, je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir, veuillez nous aider



If anybody can hear this, they are dead, I'll try to go to the Black Rock, Please help us.




Veuillez nous aider

Please help us.




Il est dehors, il est dehors et Brandon a pris les clés, Veuillez nous aider, Ils sont morts, ils sont tous morts

He (or it) is outside, he's (it's) outside, and Brandon took the keys, Please help us. They are dead. They are all dead.




Il sont morts, veuillez nous aider

They are all dead, help us...




Il est dehors, veuillez nous aider, veuiller nous aider

He's (it's) outside, please help us. PLEASE help us.




Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, Je lui ai dit d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir.
Veuillez nous aider, ils sont tous morts, il sont morts, il les a tués, il les a tués tous.
Je lui ai dit d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir.

If anybody can hear this, I ask him (most probably not 'it') to go to the Black Rock.
Please help us, they are all dead, they are dead.
He (it) kill them, he (it) kill them all.
I ask him (most probably not 'it') to go to the Black Rock.

Another thing just hit me when reading the transcript of the transmission. Danielle says that Brandon took the keys but it is outside. You would think that you need a key to enter something yet she is inside and It is outside.

took the key to the cage? Key to the radio decoder? Key to the control room?:lipsseal:

Another thought I've had about Danielle and her team is that Danielle is the one with the sickness; her team is alive and well and working in one (or more) of the stations. Or, they may have become the Others. Perhaps, anyone outside for long catches this sickness (whether air-bourne or food). This would explain the quarantine label on the inside of the Swan hatch. In fact, come to think of it, the sickness must be in the air since the Swan hatch had an airlock (for decontamination of the air?).

Anyway, if Danielle is sick, this may explain her wierd transmission - not using a real SOS message and her "odd" behavior. Like lostbylost says, perhaps she just has a hallucination of killing her team. Maybe, her team took Alex away because she is so ill.

Sorry, kinda lost my train of thought - I'm watching the special prosecutor press conference at the same time as typing. I'll just wait at the station for the next train to come along :rolleyes:

Wait! This transmission is FOR ALL MEMBERS OF ALL TEAMS, not an SOS distress call, not for the general public. It's in a kind of "co-worker shorthand" of universally understood language. No need to go into detail when everybody "knows" what you mean.

Danielle could actually mean this:

It got out/escaped (and we can't lock it up again because) Brandon has the keys.

And whoever can hear this, meet me at the Black Rock (meet-up checkpoint) (to go to the safe house together).

The more we look into the meaning of Danielle's transmission the more, IMO, it substaniates her working with DHARMA. Why would she mention keys at all if she were simply shipwrecked on the Island. There is too much specific information given in the transmission for it to be a general distress call.

LUV, I like your thinking.

Danielle also says that the Others:
1. Are the carriers of the sickness.
2. Control the radio tower.
3. Set the fire.
4. Took Alex.
But she also says she's never seen the Others. So how does she know all these things? She's either lieing, delusional, or very prone to making assumptions.

Honbun-You bring up a point that also has me thinking. The quarantine is on the inside of the "Hatch". It's not to keep anyone out, otherwise it would be on the outside. It's not to keep Desmond in, He has a front door. Why is it there at all?

The more we look into the meaning of Danielle's transmission the more, IMO, it substaniates her working with DHARMA. Why would she mention keys at all if she were simply shipwrecked on the Island. There is too much specific information given in the transmission for it to be a general distress call.

LUV, I like your thinking.

Or, she might have been recruited into the Dharma Project after crashing onto the island, a la Desmond.

Wait! This transmission is FOR ALL MEMBERS OF ALL TEAMS, not an SOS distress call, not for the general public. It's in a kind of "co-worker shorthand" of universally understood language. No need to go into detail when everybody "knows" what you mean.

Danielle could actually mean this:

It got out/escaped (and we can't lock it up again because) Brandon has the keys.

And whoever can hear this, meet me at the Black Rock (meet-up checkpoint) (to go to the safe house together).

Exactly. Her transmission in and of itself makes no sense. If she was telling the truth to Sayid she might well have been distraught and emotional but to waste precious 'loop' time on what sounds like random babling and not even mentioned her own name and the time she crashed is just suspicious.

ooH,OOOOOH, maybe Danielle "killed them all" by accidentally releasing IT ???????? in the course of her work. She's wracked by guilt!?!

And why couldn't all 8 of those things be true? The other teams' members all became sick when IT got out and Alex was with them and not with her mother in the lab. A lab is no place for a baby.

Danielle also says that the Others:
1. Are the carriers of the sickness.
2. Control the radio tower.
3. Set the fire.
4. Took Alex.
But she also says she's never seen the Others. So how does she know all these things? She's either lieing, delusional, or very prone to making assumptions.

5. She lied.
6. Is delusional.
7. Very prone to making assumptions.

8. ********All of the above.*******

Martha Tooomey says they listen night after night until one night 16 years ago they hear the numbers. Was that the first night the numbers were broadcast?

Huh, I didn't remember that. So did they hear it the same night as Danielle's team?

Wait! This transmission is FOR ALL MEMBERS OF ALL TEAMS, not an SOS distress call, not for the general public. It's in a kind of "co-worker shorthand" of universally understood language. No need to go into detail when everybody "knows" what you mean.

Danielle could actually mean this:

It got out/escaped (and we can't lock it up again because) Brandon has the keys.

And whoever can hear this, meet me at the Black Rock (meet-up checkpoint) (to go to the safe house together).

It could be what she said it was..it could also be a code.

Which is basically what I said...:confused:

Is part of her transmission a code that other DHARMA personnel would understand like Desmond's snowman riddle?

Me too. :biggrin:

Oops. Mea culpa, elfie (AAACK! and Duckie, too). No harm, no foul. Didn't mean to step on your toes. Carried away by getting totally engrossed in this aspect of the mystery. It's been a long time since we had this much fun on the forum, eh? :kiss:

Luv

true....great minds and all that. :) Maybe we are just posting so fast we run over each other. ;)

We've assumed that the transmission was being broadcast to the outside world. Yet, as Elf and Luv have stated it could be a local "Island" transmission and therefore meant only to be heard by those within the different sectors of the "Island" Compound. It makes a lot more sense that way and also explains why no help has come.

Huh, I didn't remember that. So did they hear it the same night as Danielle's team?

This is actually quite an interesting coincidence, because it's another link between otherwise unrelated people on the show. In this case, Sam heard the same numbers as Danielle, and this information then led to a series of consequences that had a profound impact on many other people. Of course, Sam's widow did qualify it with "about," but it still contributes to one of the show's major themes.

Yeah, elfdream, duckyislost and I kinda all came to that conclusion simultaneously. The transmission was not for outside ears. It was just some atmospheric accident that it was heard by the listening post.

Oops. Mea culpa, elfie (AAACK! and Duckie, too). No harm, no foul. Didn't mean to step on your toes. Carried away by getting totally engrossed in this aspect of the mystery. It's been a long time since we had this much fun on the forum, eh? :kiss:

Luv

Yes, it has been a long time since we've had this much fun. I am totally enjoying all aspects of this discussion.

It's all good. And I agree, this is the most fun I've had theorizing in a while. One of the few good things about reruns. We get to sit back and re-examine all that has come before.

Yeah, elfdream, duckyislost and I kinda all came to that conclusion simultaneously. The transmission was not for outside ears. It was just some atmospheric accident that it was heard by the listening post.

I don't know much about radio transmissions, so take what I say with that caveat. Is it possible that when Lenny heard the numbers transmission that this was a transmission that was meant for off-island ears? Then, when Danielle changed it, she also changed the frequency so that it was for island-ears only?

I don't know much about radio transmissions, so take what I say with that caveat. Is it possible that when Lenny heard the numbers transmission that this was a transmission that was meant for off-island ears? Then, when Danielle changed it, she also changed the frequency so that it was for island-ears only?

It might well be. I was wondering if the numbers code was a signal to the outside powers that be over the Island to mean 'Something is wrong with the dhrama station' ...or 'all is well with the dhrama station' and if the numbers stopped that might mean either the experiment is over or they are all dead or some pre arranged message.

When Sayid tried to transmitt from the planes transmitter it was getting blocked. She was transmitting on a common freq with a very powerful signal, thus blocking the other transmission.
I would not be surprised if she did it on purpose to prevent the survivors from getting a signal off the island. And guess who smashed the transmitter that Sayid had...Our own Mr Locke.
Hmmm, can anyone say INSIDE JOB here?:cool:

or they are all dead or some pre arranged message.

Kind of like a dead man's switch on a train.

Night, hon, you know you're cruisin' for a bruisin' with all of the Locke-lovers here!

Hey, I think Locke Rocks..and dont hide that fact...but following the logical chain of events from this posting and....well, the truth is out there.

How's this for a theory?

The button is pushed every 108 minutes, if it is not pushed the transmission is no longer contained and is broadcast beyond the "Island". Someone missed pushing the button 16 years ago and that is why Sam & Lenny heard the transmission. Danielle and her team were sent to investigate and encountered Brandon. The "it" that escaped was the numbers transmission itself.

But, if the number transmission is that dangerous, why not just change the transmission. It must be easy, since Danielle did it by herself.

I'm thinking that this is part of the expirament going on in one sector of the "Island". The Parapsychology aspect could be dealing with Astral Projections. Ingo Swann was an artist who dealt with Astral Projections, he was famous as a result and a lot of interest was shown in this area including by the CIA. If these numbers were being projected from one sector on the "Island" to another in order to test the theory but somehow got out to the outside world and somehow have had a negative effect ie; Sam, killed himself to get away. Lenny is in a mental institution constantly repeating the numbers and Hurley's run of bad luck since using the numbers. The key could also be the antedote to the numbers sickness. Remember Danielle has stated that her team was spending a lot of time trying to figure out the numbers and she said they became ill. Is Danielle like Hurley protected from the consequences of the numbers but being the carrier of the "illness" bad luck.

Interesting Danielle repeated the numbers over and over on her maps. Lenny and now Hurley repeat them over and over verbally.

Danielle also repeats the lyrics to "La Mer" over and over just as her distress call transmission repeats over and over. Desmond enters the numbers over and over.

rats in a cage.

lostbylost - I like this thought. Your theory ties in nicely with the one on Daiblo's thread http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=22531

Interesting Danielle repeated the numbers over and over on her maps. Lenny and now Hurley repeat them over and over verbally.

Danielle also repeats the lyrics to "La Mer" over and over just as her distress call transmission repeats over and over. Desmond enters the numbers over and over.

rats in a cage.

Which of course brings to mind B.F. Skinner and his 'mind games'.

The writings, the map, the repeating of the numbers are all part of the props to make this experiment reailistic.
I cant get past the fact that Desmond just bolted out into the jungle..to where? He didnt just crash on this rock, hide in the hatch for years, then take off to parts unknown?
Same for Danielle, she knows her way around the rock, and is, in MHO, leading the survivors around by the nose. And for what purpose you might ask...The social experiment that is survival.

Which of course brings to mind B.F. Skinner and his 'mind games'.
Which brings to mind urban legends about B.F. Skinner.

One of my questions is if they had really just happened to stumble across the island, what would a fairly pregnant Danielle be doing on the ship if it couldn't easily go back to port, ie so she could get medical care....

I think that if she was indeed involved with Dharma, she's not anymore. Does Desmond know about her? Why didn't "Kelvin" "recruit" her for the button pressing if she's been there "so long"? And if the sickness does freely move about the island, why doesn't Desmond panic when the hatch is opened? And if he does have an antidote, why bother with the "Quarantine?"
Could Danielle be a carrier of the "sickness", but doesn't show symptoms?
And isnt it so cool that 1/2 this post could be in quotation marks? Since we really don't know whats real...

Which brings to mind urban legends about B.F. Skinner.



I know he didn't really raise his kid in a box. ;)

I was thinking more of his philosophies and techniques that he championed in Walden Two...which I read a long time ago.

The parts about how they delt with children really stood out to me. They basically removed them from their parents and used behavior modification to raise them.

I erally like this theory! I've never even given consideration of Danielle being part of Dharma. But, allow me to take this a little bit of a step further. I haven't read all the posts so maybe someon already said this.

Maybe Dharma hired Danielle to "conduct scientific research on the ISLANDS". Which means, Danielle doesn't know that there are other experiements on the island. Her crew picked up the transmission (which Dharma purposely sent out) and followed it to the island. From their, they became part of the experiement against their will. Dharma just used Danielle and her crew as lab rats. I dont think their is a hatch beneath the black rock. I just think she uses that as a point since its something on the island she could give reference too.

What i'm wondering, is if "The Dark Territory" is where the virus was released? How did her partner loose his arm?

Great theory, but i dont think Danielle is "In on it". I also like the idea of a "Lostaway" being a plant. But which member? Who have we not learned so much about?

Does anyone have a make-shift map of the island???

And how did Kelvin know Desmond crashed. If Danielle knows about a safe house, why wasn't she there instead of a handmade underground bunker? She seemed rather equipped for being on a scientific mission.

Also, perhaps in the bunker there are maps and other things that link other stations. We've just been given such a small amount of information.

What i think people need to do is make giant graphs with each character and the mysteries surrounding that character. Its what i plan to do this weekend with a friend of mine.

I, for one, really want to see a map of the island and where events supposedly happened..

This is an awesome thread! I'm so glad I was working and couldn't read it earlier.. there's now so much here to digest lol..
The one thing that stands out to me having read it all just once is regarding the reference to "Brandon took the keys" - early on in thread it was mentioned that maybe the key was the code - with key being used like key punch - which is entering numbers - but the translation makes it plural - keys -- and i'm wondering then if the meaning would change and not be like a key punch?
I have to say this is a very thought provoking thread :)

If everyone believes it was a code or keyword, why wouldn't she know it and have it written somewhere.

I fail to believe "the keys" are the numbers.

I'm still wondering if there is significance to "Beyond the Sea" being written over and over again. Perhaps she was just zoning out and writting it.

I have this fear that people are over-analyzing everything. I dont know, I DONT KNOW!!!!!!

This show is maddening.

Does anyone have a make-shift map of the island???

What i think people need to do is make giant graphs with each character and the mysteries surrounding that character. Its what i plan to do this weekend with a friend of mine.

I, for one, really want to see a map of the island and where events supposedly happened..

Check out Lost Links before you get too far. There is a lot of stuff out there already that could help you with your project and Lost Links has most of them.


LostPack - The fact that the message said keys, supports the idea that it's for a code for all the other hatches. If she said key, that would only be one code, but she says keys, so maybe several codes?

But was there ever a code for The Swann hatch? Are you...implying that there are 5 other computers in each station where soemone is typing in a "code".

If thast the case, why isn't there someone at the sector where the Tailee's are?

And, Lostlinks a website or person? I was going to try and do this project without any other input except mine and my friends. Otherwise, I'll keep reading and never do anything :)

Keep in mind that what we see now is 16 years after Danielle arrives. The condition of the "Hatches" have changed. Look at the difference between Desmond's flashback and the current condition of the "Hatch".

I think over analysis happens a lot but it's usually about minute details. I think the topics being discussed on this thread go to the very fiber of some of the mysteries.

I believe that DHARMA has abandoned the "Island". No rescue of Danielle, no relief for Kelvin or Desmond seem to point this out. I believe Danielle was involved but that Desmond was a recruit once crashing on the "Island".

You can find it on the Lost Links website (http://lostlinks.net/) under the Transmissions link.

couldn't find it

I cant get past the expression and comments of Desmond when hearing that a plane had crashed and that there were survivors.
He and Danielle are both caught on this island, without any hope of rescue. They may have verywell not been aware of each other, but I firmly believe they were both part and parcel of the Dharma Crew.

I have a theory connecting Danielle to the Dharma hatch. (Someone posted in a different forum about Danielle possibly messing up Dharma's plans by changing the transmission, after thinking about it this possible explaination came to me.)

The tower was transmitting the numbers. We're not sure exactly why, but it was obviously important. Now Danielle changed the transmission, but now the transmission cannot be changed again because "they" control it. I think the "incident" was both the changing of the transmission AND the fact that some group is preventing it from being corrected. Maybe now the transmission is being done MANUALLY from the hatch. I think the "new protocol" that was introduced after "the incident" is now these numbers that used to be transmitted automatically by the tower are being done by the individual in the swan hatch. The swan hatch was constructed for studying the magnitism of the island, now its purpose has changed.

This next part is a bit of a stretch... perhaps Danielle's team was "lured" to the island. Maybe they were hired for some other mission, but once the transmission was heard "Montaigne" encouraged them to go toward the island instead. Maybe Montaigne was a Dharma "plant" to get the team to the island, he lost his arm, and is now showing his true identity as "Dr. Candle" in the orientation tape. The orientation tape was made AFTER the incident. (I'd love to have Danielle watch that tape just to find out!) Danielle said they all died, and that she killed them all, but could she have been tricked into thinking someone died when they really didn't?

I'd love some feedback on this. (Please be nice to me, I kinda feel ignored on the ABC boards...)

UPDATE: Someone on another board posted this: "As for the changing of the numbers being a part of the 'incident,' I don't think the dates line up. The orientation film had a date of 1980. Danielle arrived on the island in 1988 (if none of those are lies)." If this is true then my theory is not correct. Someone else did suggest that maybe the original Dharma Orientation film might have been made on 1980 but maybe they added to it years later "after the incident" but I'd have to look more closely at the film before I lean on that. Time will tell...

Danielle and her team were sent to investigate and encountered Brandon.

I love this thread!
I never thought of Brandon as being anything other than an original member of Danielle's team? If she is Dharma related, she could have expected him to be another researcher there to greet her, not someone who would "take the keys" or something else that sounds that ominous.

Kristatos, try Lostlinks.net, scroll down to the Databases header, there are Danielle's maps and other items you might want.

Good luck! It is a big site, much like this one.

Magpie-Very interesting theory. I waver back and forth in thinking that the incident discussed on the film is the Danielle incident or whether Danielle's is a second incident. I am currently leaning toward two seperate incidents. The reason being that the film was made after the first incident and DHARMA was still in control of the Island Compound. From the looks of things now it appears the Island compound was abandoned.

I'm not totally convinced that Danielle killed her team. Something happened prior to that because Mantaigne lost his arm. Danielle also says the "Other's" were the carriers. She also speaks of the sickness. This all leads me to believe that whatever happened to Danielle's team happened after the first incident. Then again Desmond stated that he has been on the Island for 3 years and that Kelvin rescued him. What happened to Kelvin's partner? The film states that it's a 2 man job? How did Kelvin Die? There is still much to be unraveled.

Thanks so much for the feedback. I can definitely understand wavering between theories where LOST is concerned. I originally believed that the entering in of the numbers was just a lab rat experiment, but now that has changed.

I am currently leaning toward two seperate incidents. The reason being that the film was made after the first incident and DHARMA was still in control of the Island Compound. From the looks of things now it appears the Island compound was abandoned.

That's a good point. I'm not sure I believe the island has been abandoned yet, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Maybe loosing control of the tower was not loosing control of the entire compound? Maybe the "numbers" are so important they needed to keep them going in-spite of a dangerous situation on the island? Of course, they would have sent more reinforcements to "clean up the problem" so maybe they have been abandoned.


I'm not totally convinced that Danielle killed her team. Something happened prior to that because Mantaigne lost his arm. Danielle also says the "Other's" were the carriers. She also speaks of the sickness. This all leads me to believe that whatever happened to Danielle's team happened after the first incident. Then again Desmond stated that he has been on the Island for 3 years and that Kelvin rescued him. What happened to Kelvin's partner? The film states that it's a 2 man job? How did Kelvin Die? There is still much to be unraveled.

I agree that Danielle's story needs a lot of clearing up. In some of her dialogue it seems (to me at least) like her references to "the others" are actually casual references to "the other" members of her team and not necessarily THE "Others".

I'm looking forward to seeing these tangled clues unraveled.

(BTW: I love your "A clue! A clue!" pict)

Welcome to the FUSE Magpie. I think you will find this board to your liking. There is usually some very lively topics and threads and a lot of feedback.

ok this is my first go at this, been reading all for 2 days solid.....

danielle has been on the island for 18 years, the numbers were first heard 16 years ago, so its taken her over 2 years to find and change the broadcast, so in those two years something happened to her and her team, but why did it take so long for them to find the signal on such a small island?

You can find it on the Lost Links website (http://lostlinks.net/)under the Transmissions link.

and its an easter egg on dvd disc 2-move your cursor around on the episode selection screen and bullet will rest beside a non episode that takes you to th broadcast.

I dont think Danielle is Dharma-shes been living in a temporary shelter for 17 years hunting and trapping food. If she knew of the DHarma Initiative, don;t you think she would have a survival instinct like Jack and move to the prefab hatch/shelter with food supply, washing machines, medicine, and guns?

and its an easter egg on dvd disc 2-move your cursor around on the episode selection screen and bullet will rest beside a non episode that takes you to th broadcast.

I dont think Danielle is Dharma-shes been living in a temporary shelter for 17 years hunting and trapping food. If she knew of the DHarma Initiative, don;t you think she would have a survival instinct like Jack and move to the prefab hatch/shelter with food supply, washing machines, medicine, and guns?

If as I some others have theorized, Danielle and her team were replacements and therefore did not set foot in the underground shelters. Brandon taking the keys (codes) effectively prevented them knowing the whereabouts or enter codes to any of the shelters. Remember Danielle said they built a temporary shelter and for 2 months they survived. One other thing to consider. She says she killed her team because they becamed infected (sick) and she couldn't chance their getting rescued and releasing whatever it is into the general population. If this is true WHY would she be broadcasting a distress signal to bring anyone from the outside world to the Island and risk possible infection?

I think Danielle has some connection to Dharma whether she knows it or not. I also suspect that she is immune to the sickness somehow. I suspect when she injected Sayid with Sedative she innoculated him against the sickness too. And who knows what else she did to him whilst he was 'out'.

the pix of the black rock (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=737) shows all 3 masts still intact. Hmmmm.....
I am sure this has been covered before, but what is the name below "Black Rock" on the back of the ship in the pic here: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=469&pos=737

It looks to me like "PORT MENTEEF" But I am sure I am way off....

Did Danielle make the transmission before or after the Others took Alex? If it was before, perhaps her "Please help us" refers to she and Alex.

Good call! I have always felt she was referring to her and Alex.

I think Danielle has some connection to Dharma whether she knows it or not.

I'm leaning towrd the idea that she does not fully understand her connection with Dharma. Her team was probably one of Dharma's many "puppets," sent under a false pretense.

According to what I remember, Danielle changed the transmission prior to the birth of Alex.

The word under Black Rock is Portsmouth.

I searched the black rock and portsmouth and came up with some info about blacks/slavery originating from 1800s America. I dont have the patience to do more but I think thismay have a connection ie slavery - pushing the buttons. Can anyone shed any more light ?

Thanks for the Portsmouth. I also came across this:

http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=553686#6845159

When Danielle mentions the black rock, on DVD the B and R are lower case in subtitles. Do you think this is an error (Ship name should be in capitals as its a proper noun like Dharma or Danielee) or there are 2 "black rock" locations on this island (a ship and a mine?)

Danielle injected Sayid with a sedative to move him-I was afraid he would get tetanus from the needle. They showed her cleaning the needle with sandpaper since cleaning solvents (alcohol) would have evaporated over 16 years. Why hasnt the sedative/drug decomposed in 16 years? Why hasnt Danielle run out of bullets hunting for 16 years? Is she trapping her entire diet? How has she survived in the wild so long?

I think Danielle is the key to the whole show and want to learn everything about her.

There are a multitude of questions surrounding Danielle and I'm sure getting answers to those questions will go a long way towards solving some mysteries. However, it is but one piece of the puzzle. Just as you have discussed Brandon taking the keys(Plural) Danielle is but one key of many.

I believe the black rock wasn't capitalized early in the season because the writers didn't want to give anything away. There was a lot of speculation as to what the Black Rock was if it had been capitalized it may have been easier to decipher.

I've been a bit miffed by Danielle's prowess with munitions and survival, just what kind of a scientist was she? Whatever research she was doing had to have been extremely important for her to have undertaken it while pregnant.

According to her story, they crashed into the "island" and spent 3 months in the temporary shelter awaiting rescue. Do we have an actual timeline from when she arrived to the time the "Others" took Alex? Is it possible that she became pregnant during the time they were stranded? I know the "Others" take Alex 2 weeks after her giving birth but how much time passed between the death of her team and the birth?

Woa people... lets think here... the blackrock was a turn of the century slave ship. Its been there since the early 1900's at least. Now I'll accept that it was already there when Dainelle arrived BUT that tower was transmitting for a lot longer than when she got there.
1.) tower was transmitting the numbers while Sam & lenny were stationed down that area as a young men... currently they're what 50ish??? making it early 70s they were there. I'll go earlier and say vietnam war time which fits with the time Hanso founded the projects...
2.) If Dainelle was a scientis back then, she looks real good for 60 something...
3.) There is sufficient "dateable" evidence in her "barracks" to put her there well after the 70's...

Sam & Lenny heard the Numbers transmission 16 years ago. This has been stated I believe by Martha Toomey.

Dialog from NUMBERS:

Martha

Sam and Leonard were stationed at a listening post monitoring long wave transmissions out of the Pacific. Boring job. Sam hated it, nothing to do but listen to static night after night. Until one night, about 16 years ago, there's something in the static, a voice comes through, a voice repeating those numbers over and over again. A couple of days later we're at the fair in Kalgoorlie and some wally there has got this jar, must have been big as a pony, and it's filled to the rim with beans. Fella's offering 50 grand to anyone able to guess how many beans are in that jar, within 10

If Danielle is to be believed about the things that happened to her team, and the ordeal she must have gone through, she was likely non compos mentis whilst creating the message. This may, in part, explain some of the more ambiguous elements of her transmission.

I think it's best to be wary when interpreting Danielle's words and her subsequent claims about herself and the island.

I think the message was meant to be ambiguous. It's both the things she said and doesn't say that make me wonder whats going on. I think the message was meant for Dharma. I think she may be more non compos mantis now then when she fist made the distress call.

We've assumed that the transmission was being broadcast to the outside world. Yet, as Elf and Luv have stated it could be a local "Island" transmission and therefore meant only to be heard by those within the different sectors of the "Island" Compound. It makes a lot more sense that way and also explains why no help has come.

I think the transmission was designed for both on and off island communication. I think once the transmission was received Dharma knew it had to shut down the island somehow. So it sent a team to make sure people and experiments were shut down for good. Somehow that team failed to complete their mission. And the experiments are running amok on the island.

I erally like this theory! I've never even given consideration of Danielle being part of Dharma. But, allow me to take this a little bit of a step further. I haven't read all the posts so maybe someon already said this.

Maybe Dharma hired Danielle to "conduct scientific research on the ISLANDS". Which means, Danielle doesn't know that there are other experiments on the island. Her crew picked up the transmission (which Dharma purposely sent out) and followed it to the island. From their, they became part of the experiment against their will. Dharma just used Danielle and her crew as lab rats. I dont think their is a hatch beneath the black rock. I just think she uses that as a point since its something on the island she could give reference too.

What i'm wondering, is if "The Dark Territory" is where the virus was released? How did her partner loose his arm?

Great theory, but i dint think Danielle is "In on it". I also like the idea of a "Lostaway" being a plant. But which member? Who have we not learned so much about?

I like this theory. I was thinking Danielle was more then just a lab rat. I think she could have been running one of the experiments when either hers or another stations experiment went haywire. When it was revealed that she and her team followed the tans mission to the island, I thought that was just a cover story. Some one posted a comment that why would a science team divert from their mission plan to follow a transmission that might lead them to nowhere. That would be tons of money flushed down the toilet.

Or her ship could have been a resupply ship and bringing replacements for the scientists. When they arrived they were caught up in all the mayhem that was ensuing in the island.

Keep in mind that what we see now is 16 years after Danielle arrives. The condition of the "Hatches" have changed. Look at the difference between Desmond's flashback and the current condition of the "Hatch".

I think over analysis happens a lot but it's usually about minute details. I think the topics being discussed on this thread go to the very fiber of some of the mysteries.

I believe that DHARMA has abandoned the "Island". No rescue of Danielle, no relief for Kelvin or Desmond seem to point this out. I believe Danielle was involved but that Desmond was a recruit once crashing on the "Island".

This sounds plausible. This could go along with the idea that Dharma tried either to save the experiments or sent in a team to shut everything down permanently. That might even include killing all the scientists on the island. But when that team arrived they were caught up and over come by the experiments.

My only question is if Dharma has abandoned the island why would Desmond have a new model washer and dryer in his station?

Other Thoughts:

React - Let us know what you and your friend find out.
Maps of the island and what has happend would be a very good thing.

Could he have had the washer and dryer on his boat with him? 'Cause if not.... yeah, it points to people coming and going from the island a lot more recently than we're otherwise being led to believe....

As a one-time ESL teacher, I am naturally interested in foreign languages and the translation thereof. It is no secret that translation is not an exact science. It's more of an art. You grasp the real meaning of what a person wants to convey in their language and change the words however necessary to convey that meaning as exactly as possible in your own. I have often thought that the sentence translated from french to english as, "It is outside." would more logically be something like "It got away. It's out of it's cage. It's running around loose!" Then, the sentence "It killed them all." makes more sense to me. Yes, Danielle is reporting to her superiors that her dangerous experiment has escaped and murdered her team members.

good one! i think Danielle knows just a little to much about the security system besides, why haven't the other's killed her yet?

Edit: one flaw with this- the DHARMA film is in English, wouldn't that have been their language of choice, not French.


The thing that gets me is why she sent her transmission in French, when she obviously speaks English quite well. You'd think she'd have more of a chance of someone understanding her in English. If nothing else, she should have used both.

Over the summer, in view of the wording of the French transmission, I concluded that it was coming from such a distance that it had nothing to do with Craphole, and that following the reception of it by the Losties, Rousseau and the Black Rock had been hastily put in place as a cover-up. http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/teach/GetLost.html for what I wrote at the time. However, since then my belief changed in the degree of control the Island Powers had (greater than I'd previously thought), and my review of the DVDs showed Kate (whom I've presumed to be "in on it") to have been too helpful in obtaining the transceiver. So I now have to conclude that the Losties were supposed to hear the transmission, but not to triangulate on it.

Robert

incredible! I've just read this whole post and this is a great thread! The thing that has really bothered me is why didn't Dharma converge its assets (mercenaries) on the island to see what the hell was going on with their island when Danielle changed the radio broadcast. Because Dharma did hear the broadcast and they knew who Danielle was because she was a fellow employee. They heard the broadcasts but also knew there was nothing they could do because "it" got out.
Why is her first sentence of a mayday call a declaration of "they are dead". Who the hell cares? Probably only fellow Dharma employees. And I mean the employee part literally. If she and her team were employed by Dharma and sent to the island they would only be told what they needed to know to carry out there assignment whatever that may be. In all likelihood she was sent to the island by Dharma and still didn't know squat about the Island Secrets.

I'm thinking that this is part of the expirament going on in one sector of the "Island". The Parapsychology aspect could be dealing with Astral Projections. Ingo Swann was an artist who dealt with Astral Projections, he was famous as a result and a lot of interest was shown in this area including by the CIA. If these numbers were being projected from one sector on the "Island" to another in order to test the theory but somehow got out to the outside world and somehow have had a negative effect ie; Sam, killed himself to get away. Lenny is in a mental institution constantly repeating the numbers and Hurley's run of bad luck since using the numbers. The key could also be the antedote to the numbers sickness. Remember Danielle has stated that her team was spending a lot of time trying to figure out the numbers and she said they became ill. Is Danielle like Hurley protected from the consequences of the numbers but being the carrier of the "illness" bad luck.

This is so interesting! The Swan hatch could be doing Astral Projections (and the writers are using Swann's work as their reference point). Here's thread that really points in this direction: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=30558

Wouldn't the astral projecting and/or psychic ability this help with the wisps of smoke, the premonitions, "seeing things" like Walt or Jack's Dad, etc.? What if Walt can "project" or is a strong psychic. Having people with strong mental abilities could be affecting the outer world and our lostaways, especially with an electromagnet as a booster. Maybe? Just thinking out loud....

I posted this on another thread but you all may find it interesting.

I think that there is a complex communications code system being used on the island and this also maybe the reason the for the strange transmissions and numbers broadcasts, “visions” of Walt, the music, some of the animal sounds we hear (the barefoot others seem to do this) etc., that is similar to Number Stations broadcasts that can be heard on short wave radio.

I think after Danielle landed on the island, Her team was recruited by the others and they worked together for a while, then an incident happens and her team starts dying, she tries to send a message using the code system but perhaps gets it wrong and send out an incorrect code-This could be what she means by “Brandon took the key”-she may have meant the key to the code.

You guys may find this interesting:
This is a link to a description of Number Stations
http://irdial.hyperreal.org/www/cone...ct_booklet.pdf (http://irdial.hyperreal.org/www/conet_project_booklet.pdf)

And this is a link where you can hear a broadcast from a guy who has done a lot of research into Number Stations, and you can hear some of the original broadcasts-They kinda creepy and kinda intriguing.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4167689 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4167689)

Click on the listen button.

I posted this on another thread but you all may find it interesting.

I think that there is a complex communications code system being used on the island and this also maybe the reason the for the strange transmissions and numbers broadcasts, “visions” of Walt, the music, some of the animal sounds we hear (the barefoot others seem to do this) etc., that is similar to Number Stations broadcasts that can be heard on short wave radio.

I think after Danielle landed on the island, Her team was recruited by the others and they worked together for a while, then an incident happens and her team starts dying, she tries to send a message using the code system but perhaps gets it wrong and send out an incorrect code-This could be what she means by “Brandon took the key”-she may have meant the key to the code.

You guys may find this interesting:
This is a link to a description of Number Stations
http://irdial.hyperreal.org/www/cone...ct_booklet.pdf (http://irdial.hyperreal.org/www/conet_project_booklet.pdf)

And this is a link where you can hear a broadcast from a guy who has done a lot of research into Number Stations, and you can hear some of the original broadcasts-They kinda creepy and kinda intriguing.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4167689 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4167689)

Click on the listen button.
Here's the thing, Danielle stated that all of her team was dead. When she records the new message to be broadcast she talks about Brandon having the keys. One must assume that he is still alive which means he is not one of her Team. Now Sayid asks Danielle if she has seen other people on the island and she says "no". What about this Brandon character.
Also remember that french is Danielle's first language, so if she was really freaking out and trying to get a message out she would probably revert to her native language, or there were other Dharma Associates on the Island who spoke french that she was trying to reach. Perhaps she only trusted her fellow countrymen to save her after she was deceived by Dharma regarding the reason her team was sent to Island.....

Here's the thing, Danielle stated that all of her team was dead. When she records the new message to be broadcast she talks about Brandon having the keys. One must assume that he is still alive which means he is not one of her Team. Now Sayid asks Danielle if she has seen other people on the island and she says "no". What about this Brandon character.
Also remember that french is Danielle's first language, so if she was really freaking out and trying to get a message out she would probably revert to her native language, or there were other Dharma Associates on the Island who spoke french that she was trying to reach. Perhaps she only trusted her fellow countrymen to save her after she was deceived by Dharma regarding the reason her team was sent to Island.....

After rewatching the pilot today I am not even sure that is Danielle's voice on the transmission, I realize people's voices get deeper as they age but it sounds really different- or maybe it's just the difference in the inflection of her voice as she speaks in a differnt language.

Or it could just be that they hadn't yet cast Mira Furlan when they shot the pilot episode. :-D

Man, is that Number Station info for real? Cause something about that whole idea just sends a chill down my spine....

For me, this issue has always been that Dannielle has survived for over 16 yrs in a hole in the ground? With batteries and no forseeable way to recharge them. With rifles in near perfect order after having been exposed to the elements, and she just happens to know how to rig a tramsmitter to broadcast a message from a yet unseen tower.
She is in on it, Desmond is in on it...they are part of the bait for our survivors, to ensure that just enough pressure is applied to make them continue with the expreiment.

Man, is that Number Station info for real? Cause something about that whole idea just sends a chill down my spine....

I know it's pretty weird, Huh?

EXCEEDINGLY weird....

But I looked it up on Wikipedia (my new Bible), so I guess it's on the level.... I'm never listening to the radio again, LOL....

:-S

HI, I believe that Danielle holds many of the keys (oops) to the show. My main concern right now is the map. There are many funny incongruencies on it. For instance, she draws a triangle and writes the angles: 38, 36, 41.Of course,we all learned the the sum of the inner angles of a triangle is always 180 degress, UNLESS we are dealing with hyperbolic geometry. Any thoughts?
And why would she draw a map as seen from outside the island? wouldn't it be more logic to draw it from above, as it is usually done?
Any one knows anything about the calculations?