Locke was suckered in by one redhead already, his mom. She was there because of Anthony Cooper. I'm beginning to wonder if Helen (Katy Segal) wasn't hired by Anthony Cooper to occupy Locke, to keep Locke distracted and convince Locke to stop obsessing about his father. We know how it went with Locke's mom. If you're tricked once you can be tricked twice. We know how Anthony Cooper operates.

Now where does Phone Sex Helen fit into this? Does Locke find out that Helen/Katy Segal is working for Cooper but is so obsessed he finds a substitute in Phone Sex Helen or does Helen/Katy Segal die, somehow, and Anthony Cooper is behind it and Locke heads off to Australia because that's where he thinks Cooper is?

Locke did it to Sayid. He gave us the clue that he was the one that knocked Sayid out in Season 1. "I'm sneaker than I give myself credit for." Did Cooper sneak up on Locke again?

Thoughts, comments?

I hate to be one of those people to be all "Yeah--I thought of that, too..." but it occured to me right after Orientation that Helen may not be on the up and up. That whole thing with her approaching Locke at the anger meeting stank of a set-up. I assumed that it was that Cooper sent her to distract him, but what if...

The only other thing I could think is what if Helen is a set-up, but sent by someone else? What if Cooper is working with Hanso, and Helen is an Anti-Hanso agent?
Maybe?

And what if Hanso got wind of her relationship with Locke, and something happened to her?

I don't know, but it is an intriguing question. Helen totally isn't telling the whole truth about who she is.

How the phone sex operator fits into all of this ???

I am also for the posibility that Helen #1 was a plant - no not a philodendron - but a plant by Cooper, if that's his real name as well. Locke could have been almost on to her and she was falling for him so she left town leaving Locke in dispair once again so he turns to Helen #2 to help because his therapists is a joke and not doing much for the poor guy,


How's that for my 2 cents? :biggrin:

I am also for the posibility that Helen #1 was a plant - no not a philodendron - but a plant by Cooper, if that's his real name as well. Locke could have been almost on to her and she was falling for him so she left town leaving Locke in dispair once again so he turns to Helen #2 to help because his therapists is a joke and not doing much for the poor guy,

How's that for my 2 cents? :biggrin:I like her falling for Locke....but if that happens she, of course, has to die.

Well, Helen does have 20 yrs of anger so she might be inclined to take on a job for someone like Cooper.
Maybe Cooper put the pressure on her to get it done when his apparition was not enough to get Locke to give up his quest
However what ever the case was, The way Locke looked when he said "leap of faith' told me things went well with John and Helen

Helen hinted at something in her past - yeah your right. off digging.

I wasted 20 years of my life being angry. I told myself I would get over it, but I couldn't do it alone. I needed to find help. You help me John. And I can help you. You just have to promise me that you're not going to go to that place anymore.


So, she's delt with something or someone for 20 years - And just how did John "help" her. What by sleeping with her - don't think so. She's some how connected to Cooper and the more I think about it the stronger the feeling gets.

We know she turned Locke into a "Believer", we just haven't seen that yet. We have yet to find out how Locke ended up in the wheelchair, I'll bet serious cash that Helen is there when it happens.

Maybe she was the cause and the effect is Locke stuck trying to replace her because he thinks she's gone - or she is gone

I never thought of the Helen's being a plant/set up. I like these ideas!

That whole thing with her approaching Locke at the anger meeting stank of a set-up.

I can completely see that as a set up now that you mention it... as a grad student in psyc I know it is so wrong to start a relationship with a patient. I doubt many counselors would willingly put their jobs on the line to start something with a patient.

I thought Helen's exact use of the phrase "leap of faith" in the flashback and Locke's subsequent use of "leap of faith" seemed a little convenient...

there have been significant phrases/single words in flashbacks that sometimes when used by the character on the ISLAND seem to trigger a specific action or response...

I thought Desmonds use of "Brotha" seemed a little hokey when we first saw flashback, at the time never thinking we would see Desmond on the ISLAND... then when he said it in the hatch, it seemed to trigger recognition in Jack...

there have been others as well

helen was not the therapist in the anger management group - the blonde woman with glasses was leading the group. helen was attending the anger management session. locke stated he would not be returning to the group. there is no ethical conflict in helen approaching him or having a relationship.

i really hope helen isn't a "plant" by cooper. it would just be too much. it's gonna be bad enough that locke loses her, and i hope the story line takes the most direct and meaningful path, rather than complicating it all with sub-plot upon subplot. though, that does seem to be the direction the series has taken.

My guess is that John and Helen are in some kind of a car crash that kills her
and puts him in a wheel chair; and maybe this time, it will not be related to
any thing.

yeah, what michelle friday said :biggrin:

Well, if it's a car crash, I bet a gold car is involved.

I just think since Cooper is such a manipulator and we've been shown what lengths he will go to, that Helen as a plant is a very likely event.

SamG: I was thinking of Gold car #3 while I was reading this thread and of course you mention it. The key to figuring whether Helen is a plant or not is; was this Locke's first session? It seemed from the way Helen talks to Locke that she has been comming to this particular group for a while. Now if Locke is referred to this particular group then there is a good possibility that Cooper is involved. His MO is using pretty elaborate scams.

Indeed SamG, Helen's request to Locke was strangely placed. After a few months of being together, I don't find it unreasonable, nor unexpected that Helen would want Locke to "stay put" after a night of passion. However, I do find it to be a strangely placed, (and an oddly informative and specific request) for Helen to place the stipulation that he not only "stay put" afterward, but that he avoid "his father's" house.

Whether or not they attended group sessions together, it doesn't seem to be appropriate for Helen to make such a personal request given his past with him. I'm no psychologist, but to ask him to avoid the house 'cold turkey' as a stipulation for continued affair/relationship/sex would force him to repress his feelings and anger for the father, which would foment as something worse in the future. Being "angry for 20 years", I would thikn that she'd understand the impropriety of her request.

In addition, eventually, he would blame HER for making him stop dealing with the problem in the only way he knew how to, and if she'd asked him to deal with it in another way, he would not see how that new way would resove the problem. He would eventually blame her for his inability to cope, and it would gravely hurt thir relationship in the long run. Given her own anger issues, I would think that she'd understand this, and logically, one would think that she'd instead ask him to go to therapy, or to confront 'the father' face-to-face, not just avoid the house and repress his feelings.

Given those assumptions, that most assuredly smelled of collusion between Helen and Locke's 'faux-father' (forgot his character's name...pathetic, no?).

-Mang

helen was not the therapist in the anger management group - the blonde woman with glasses was leading the group.

oops, sorry. i didn't remember correctly.

Well, if it's a car crash, I bet a gold car is involved.

I just think since Cooper is such a manipulator and we've been shown what lengths he will go to, that Helen as a plant is a very likely event.

Obviously someone needs him for parts so they wont kill John.
Maybe the Helen fix up is so complex that her job is to have little Lockes with good kidneys (keys)
Wouldn't it have been easier if Cooper said Stay away John or I am going to call Vito from Good Luck Staged Theatrical Productions

A point that never got much comment was that Cooper said he moved. Why? Couldn't he have done a better job of covering his tracks?

So, she's delt with something or someone for 20 years - And just how did John "help" her. What by sleeping with her - don't think so. She's some how connected to Cooper and the more I think about it the stronger the feeling gets.

Call me crazy, but the thing I kept thinking when she said that was that Shannon was 20 years old and we had no idea who her biological mother was. Could Helen have been her birthmother? Was Shannon taken from her by her father? It makes me wonder to whom her message in the bottle was addressed. Hmm...

Indeed SamG, Helen's request to Locke was strangely placed. After a few months of being together, I don't find it unreasonable, nor unexpected that Helen would want Locke to "stay put" after a night of passion. However, I do find it to be a strangely placed, (and an oddly informative and specific request) for Helen to place the stipulation that he not only "stay put" afterward, but that he avoid "his father's" house.

I don't see it as out of place for Helen to make that specific request. Stalking his dad was Locke's addiction, one that Helen recognizes because apparently she suffered something similar herself. Her telling him to go cold turkey is the equivalent of telling an alcoholic that you can only be in a relationship with him/her if he/she gets off the sauce.

That said, I do think that Cooper is certainly ruthless and sneaky enough to hire Helen to get Locke off his back...and if Helen were to change the rules of the game--say by actually falling in love with John and wanting to tell him the truth of how they met--Cooper is MORE than ruthless and sneaky enough to shut her up. Shut her up in a painful and permanent way.

We can certainly look at Helen and come to the conclusion that she knew better and wasn't helping Locke deal with his anger, however Helen is not a trained professional. She speaks of her 20 years of anger that somehow Locke is helping her deal with. If you look at from the perspective of a damaged person trying to help another damged person. We don't know Helen's story. Has she just recently began these classes to deal with her anger? What is the cause of her Anger?

If we accept her at face value, her behavior isn't so strange. She is trying to fix her problems through Locke and in return trying to fix his problems. Her ultimatum is not out of place. In her mind he has to let go of the cause of his anger and move forward with her. It isn't neccessarily the right thing to do but as I stated earllier she is not a trained professional.

Coupons--I agree that there is something that doesn't add up with Cooper moving. First he is wealthy, has a security force and has seems to have means to stop Locke from comming around. Yet, he moves and does it so poorly that Locke finds him.

Locke was not dealing with his problem. Sitting outside in his car staking the place out accomplishes nothing. He would go in the middle of the night and just sit in his car looking at the house. If he were my friend I would have tried to get him to move on because it wasn't healthy. So it makes sense that Helen would want him to stop.

Her telling him to go cold turkey is the equivalent of telling an alcoholic that you can only be in a relationship with him/her if he/she gets off the sauce.

Fair point Cass, touche! However, this strategy can easily backfire, or at least be dangerous. Telling somebody about their psychological issue is not as effective as they themselves admitting it and asking for help. By foisting this on him, and leveraging her relationship, sexual, platonc or otherwise, is using a dangerous weapon where subtlely and transcendnence would ideally work better, at least at first. By forcing his hand, she does not help him in a cathartic journey, but in his mind, it rather forces him into a journey of her choosing, with the consequence of a resentful punishment and not the desired benefit

There are situations where an aggressive and confrontational intervention are required. You mentioned alcoholism, for example. But I just don't think intervention should be the FIRST course of action, unless IRREVOCABLE HARM is imminent. Ideally, it wouldn't get to that, in that with her coaxing, he might see the problem himself, understand the issues and consequences, and independently make change or at least ask for help. I'm no psychologist, but logically, aggressive intervention should be a last resort, or should be done only as prescribed in certain situations.

It could be that Helen knew that imminent harm was coming if he didn't change, or it could simply be colllusion with she as the hired hand to dissuade Locke I've always thought the latter, though it could also be the former...or both...maybe she did fall for him in the process, and bothh would fit.

Semantics these may be, but semantics nonetheless!

-Mang

Also, note that the only person she's told about her angry past is Locke. We don't know if she's been going to the meeting for years, or if that was her first night.

HELEN: Oh hell, you just said everything I've always wanted to say in there. Most of the time I want to stand up and scream: get over it, freaks.

LOCKE: Well, why don't you?

HELEN: I have to keep a cork in. Once I get all hot and bothered there's no stopping me. I guess you won't be coming back next week, huh?

LOCKE: No, not likely.

And now that she knows that he won't be going back to the meeting, the cover that she created won't be blown.

That is, if she's a plant. The only difficulty in the set-up is finding out where Locke will be attending the meeting. And I suspect that wasn't all that hard to discover.

Locke was suckered in by one redhead already, his mom. She was there because of Anthony Cooper. I'm beginning to wonder if Helen (Katy Segal) wasn't hired by Anthony Cooper to occupy Locke, to keep Locke distracted and convince Locke to stop obsessing about his father. We know how it went with Locke's mom. If you're tricked once you can be tricked twice. We know how Anthony Cooper operates.

Now where does Phone Sex Helen fit into this? Does Locke find out that Helen/Katy Segal is working for Cooper but is so obsessed he finds a substitute in Phone Sex Helen or does Helen/Katy Segal die, somehow, and Anthony Cooper is behind it and Locke heads off to Australia because that's where he thinks Cooper is?

Locke did it to Sayid. He gave us the clue that he was the one that knocked Sayid out in Season 1. "I'm sneaker than I give myself credit for." Did Cooper sneak up on Locke again?

Thoughts, comments?


I don't think so. I think Helen was in his group by happenstance. But it's an interesting theory. People who call into sex line numbers ask the women to be whom ever the caller wants them to be (not that i know of course :kiss: ) but really they ask the women to be whomever they want them to be. I think we will see far more of locke's background story with helen and how it ended. sadly i think it went badly.

Call me crazy, but the thing I kept thinking when she said that was that Shannon was 20 years old and we had no idea who her biological mother was. Could Helen have been her birthmother? Was Shannon taken from her by her father? It makes me wonder to whom her message in the bottle was addressed. Hmm...
I like the theory
So that would be 20 yrs of anger + 4 yrs of Locke in wheelchair + time between Locke helping Helen and the loss of his legs which would bring us to Lost now
I would tend to go with 'Kate' Mainly because Locke called her Helen one time. Also they look more alike

Coupons, you bring up a very good point. He did indeed call Kate by the name Helen. I always thought it was so strange how he reacted when he got knocked down by the boar while protecting Kate from it (Michael got hurt). He was completely in another world trying to recoup, and he was so frightened about his legs. Wasn't it when Kate bent over him that he called her Helen? I think its possible indeed that a gold car ran him down, and Helen was around afterwards to take care of him. It's possible what broke them up was his dealing with being an invalid.

Moderator: Something you want to say? John, you've been coming here for a month now--

So John has been going to the meetings for a month. It's taken him that long to finally do something that gives Helen an in.

If Helen is working for Cooper, none of what she says has to be true, she just needs to gauge Locke and say what will get him to trust her.

I did notice Cooper mentioning moving. I just haven't figured out where it fits in. It's really hard to not notice a red VW parked outside your house, How far away did Cooper move? Did Locke have to change jobs? Did he quit the Toys R Us place? Has Cooper been luring him somewhere? It seems Anthony Cooper has enough money, if Locke was really bothering him, he could move somewhere Locke wouldn't be able to find him.

The gold car has already bumped into Locke once.

She had to wait until he had given her an in. Exactly. He would be suspicious of anything less considering what he was there for in the first place.

Interesting thread Sam G

After reading all the great ideas on here, these thoughts came to me.

Anthony Cooper had an affair with his secretary(Helen), 20 years ago. She got pregnant and he got custody, thus the anger. He didn't allow Helen to see their daughter Kate, who was adopted by his then-wife Diane. He used to take his daughter hunting. (like he did with his son) Anthony contacted Helen and told her she could see Kate if she did this "mission" for him. The mission being, getting Locke off his back. Desperate to see her daughter, she accepts the mission and Anthony sends out a $23,000.00 reward for their daughters capture. Bounty Hunter Edward Maars takes up the challenge.
This would connect Anthony to Locke (son), Emily (exwife/mother of Locke), Helen (lover of both Anthony and his son Locke), Diane (wife #?), Kate (daughter) and the Marshall.

Coupons, WIF, I like it. It does work out better being Kate rather than Shannon. Hmmm...

Why would a good con man tell his mark that he had power
I moved because of you John.

If I had a grand estate like that I think I might tell peope I was relocating. Moved was just a word the way it was said that didn't sit right

eh, from a chick's point of view, if i'd been sleeping with a man for 6 months and he got up and left in the middle of the night every time, i'd tell him to quit it, too.

that'd just be too weird, and - talk about inappropriate! jeez. if he was just going home, that would be bad enough. but going and sitting outside his dad's house was, yeah - icky. totally feeding his addiction. he needed to walk away from that if he was ever find peace and happiness.

whether she's a "plant" or not, her request was not out of line.

What I didn't get was why she threw the keys over the fence so that there would have to be dealings with the owners?

(Unless she knew our Weblo had a hide a key?:rolleyes: )

What I didn't get was why she threw the keys over the fence so that there would have to be dealings with the owners?

(Unless she knew our Weblo had a hide a key?:rolleyes: )

EXACTLY! To me this was the oddest of all things to do. why, if she was trying to get john to stop this obsession about his father, would she toss his car keys--and her house key--into the gated yard? I can even see tossing them down a drainpipe, but this just seemed too contrived.

Interesting thread Sam G

After reading all the great ideas on here, these thoughts came to me.

Anthony Cooper had an affair with his secretary(Helen), 20 years ago. She got pregnant and he got custody, thus the anger. He didn't allow Helen to see their daughter Kate, who was adopted by his then-wife Diane. He used to take his daughter hunting. (like he did with his son) Anthony contacted Helen and told her she could see Kate if she did this "mission" for him. The mission being, getting Locke off his back. Desperate to see her daughter, she accepts the mission and Anthony sends out a $23,000.00 reward for their daughters capture. Bounty Hunter Edward Maars takes up the challenge.
This would connect Anthony to Locke (son), Emily (exwife/mother of Locke), Helen (lover of both Anthony and his son Locke), Diane (wife #?), Kate (daughter) and the Marshall.


i like it. kind of wraps it all up in a neat little package.

I think she throws them as part of the ulitmatum. Either go inside there, get your keys say what you have to say or accept that you are never going to do anything, and leave now, with me.

He drives a beetle, I can't imagine it would be that hard to have a replacement made...

I think she throws them as part of the ulitmatum. Either go inside there, get your keys say what you have to say or accept that you are never going to do anything, and leave now, with me.

He drives a beetle, I can't imagine it would be that hard to have a replacement made...

I have to agree. Locke went there night after night and just sat in his car. Helen gave him the ultimatum and at the same time was making him have to confront his anger instead of just sitting there. The keys themselves are meaningless and can be replaced.

The more I have thought about Helen being a plant the less it makes sense. Anthony Cooper is a man of means, He moves and then comes out and confronts Locke. I just don't think he needed Helen to get rid of Locke. If there is another motive then it could be a different story.

Interesting thread Sam G

After reading all the great ideas on here, these thoughts came to me.

Anthony Cooper had an affair with his secretary(Helen), 20 years ago. She got pregnant and he got custody, thus the anger. He didn't allow Helen to see their daughter Kate, who was adopted by his then-wife Diane. He used to take his daughter hunting. (like he did with his son) Anthony contacted Helen and told her she could see Kate if she did this "mission" for him. The mission being, getting Locke off his back. Desperate to see her daughter, she accepts the mission and Anthony sends out a $23,000.00 reward for their daughters capture. Bounty Hunter Edward Maars takes up the challenge.
This would connect Anthony to Locke (son), Emily (exwife/mother of Locke), Helen (lover of both Anthony and his son Locke), Diane (wife #?), Kate (daughter) and the Marshall.

Well, that certainly fits the pieces together. It doesn't take into account why Kate is on the run. We need to work in Kate's reason for robbing the bank.

I have to agree. Locke went there night after night and just sat in his car. Helen gave him the ultimatum and at the same time was making him have to confront his anger instead of just sitting there. The keys themselves are meaningless and can be replaced.

The more I have thought about Helen being a plant the less it makes sense. Anthony Cooper is a man of means, He moves and then comes out and confronts Locke. I just don't think he needed Helen to get rid of Locke. If there is another motive then it could be a different story.
Anthony Cooper came out an confronted Locke but he still didn't stop. That's where Helen comes in. Anthony could be using Helen too. As, WIF has proposed, it would tie many people together.

Wonder if Locke's sentry time will pay off in some way? Maybe he has seen sombody connected to our story.

That's a cool thought coupons. Who knows what nefarious meetings Anthony Cooper hosted. I also noticed Andy the gatekeeper was not on duty. I know he could be off shift, or lost his job when Cooper moved, but I'm thinking there's something there.

Wasn't it you Sam G, that posted the pik of Andy with kids, and we we're guessing that maybe it was Kate in the pik. If she was Coopers kid and Andy had a child the same age, they could have played together, thus it was a Cooper approved pik in the gatehouse?

I need new shows, I'm reaching now.

My only problem with AC being Kate's father, is I never got the impression she thought ill of him??

We have a Kate eppy coming soon, and it's going to help us with these theories?

Wonder if Locke's sentry time will pay off in some way? Maybe he has seen sombody connected to our story.
You know who's missing? Eddie the gatekeeper. We had been wondering about the photographs that were hanging on the wall. Could Eddie still have a part?

That's a cool thought coupons. Who knows what nefarious meetings Anthony Cooper hosted. I also noticed Andy the gatekeeper was not on duty. I know he could be off shift, or lost his job when Cooper moved, but I'm thinking there's something there.

Wasn't it you Sam G, that posted the pik of Andy with kids, and we we're guessing that maybe it was Kate in the pik. If she was Coopers kid and Andy had a child the same age, they could have played together, thus it was a Cooper approved pik in the gatehouse?

I need new shows, I'm reaching now.

My only problem with AC being Kate's father, is I never got the impression she thought ill of him??

We have a Kate eppy coming soon, and it's going to help us with these theories?

I always got the impression that she wasn't that thrilled with her father. Remember when she was talking about how he had her tracking that deer for hours on end. She sounded annoyed. It was like the times she spent with her father in the woods was not her most pleasant memories.

I don't have a clear memory of it. I just went with what my gut remembers now.

What was everyone elses take on Kate's relationship with her dad?

We discussed Kate and all that stuff in "Juice, the theory". I didn't think Kate spoke that warmly of her father. In fact I think that's where her dislike of blood came from.

ANTHONY COOPER: You have a family of your own?

LOCKE: No, sir.

ANTHONY COOPER: Me neither. I tried it a couple times. It didn't take. Do
you hunt?

Supporting information. Cooper may not have married Emily but he could have married Helen and Diane. What if Kate started to run because she got wind that Cooper wanted her kidney?

SamG and WIF, help me out with a pic/pics of the Andy/Eddie the Gatekeeper's photos. I'm really missing what you're talking about.

SamG and WIF, help me out with a pic/pics of the Andy/Eddie the Gatekeeper's photos. I'm really missing what you're talking about.I'm not sure if there are screen caps. It's in DEM, I think it's the 2nd time Locke goes to Cooper's in the background, on the wall of the gate, there are 3 photographs that are stuck on the wall. Maybe WIF has caps from the HD site?
Oh, I found one:

http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=52&pos=190

I think we looked at them on the HD site. It's listed in the library linked at the bottomof my posts.

Anthony Cooper came out an confronted Locke but he still didn't stop. That's where Helen comes in. Anthony could be using Helen too. As, WIF has proposed, it would tie many people together.


Didn't AC confront Locke after Locke was already involved with Helen?

Didn't AC confront Locke after Locke was already involved with Helen?It seems like Locke went to see Cooper right after he was with Helen the first time.

Alright: I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but the Egyptian Escathology thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25175) is fascinating, and reminded me of Locke and the women in his life. lacenaire makes a connection between Boone's death and the sacrifice of a donkey to the god Set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28god%29) in ancient Egypt. What is interesting about Set is his association with the color red. And red hair.

The word for desert, in Egyptian was dshrt, which is very similar to the word for red, dshr (in fact, it has the appearance of a feminine form of the word for red). Consequently, Set became associated with things that were red, including people with ginger hair, which is not an attribute that Egyptians generally had, and so he became considered to also be a god of foreigners.

Since Boone's fall was in the episode with Cooper and the kidney, could Cooper represent Set in this? Locke sacrifices his kidney/Boone to Cooper/the island. Emily and her red hair is who leads him to Cooper...

Interesting that Helen also has red hair. It's also interesting that Locke sacrifices being with Helen to follow Cooper.

Alright: I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but the Egyptian Escathology thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25175) is fascinating, and reminded me of Locke and the women in his life. lacenaire makes a connection between Boone's death and the sacrifice of a donkey to the god Set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28god%29) in ancient Egypt. What is interesting about Set is his association with the color red. And red hair.

Since Boone's fall was in the episode with Cooper and the kidney, could Cooper represent Set in this? Locke sacrifices his kidney/Boone to Cooper/the island. Emily and her red hair is who leads him to Cooper...

Interesting that Helen also has red hair. It's also interesting that Locke sacrifices being with Helen to follow Cooper. I, personally, like it.
Kidney's are also associated with red.

I, personally, like it.
Kidney's are also associated with red.
As is anger.

Bringing this back around. Getting ready for Lockedown.

(approximate quotations...)

Helen: I like bald guys.

Locke: But, I'm not bald.

Helen: I can wait.


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On the surface, that just seemed to be an indication from Helen to Locke that she was interested in something long term... but that first line stood out to me as some kind of hint about Helen.

What other bald guy might she be or have been involved with?
or
Maybe we will see Helen on the island, now that Locke is really bald.

I was reading this thread and I just thought of how Locke could have possibly got put into his wheelchair. What if Locke found out that Helen had been hired by his father to seduce him and occupy his time devertering his attention away from Cooper? Okay? So he confronts her and they have a major blowout. Instead of Helen facing up to what Locke says she bolts. Locke wanting an explanation, he runs after her. She's in her car, tries to drive away and BOOM she hits Locke! She can't believe she did it and is in shock, not knowing what to do she leaves him unconscious not really knowing if he's dead or alive? Who knows maybe she got out and did check for a pulse! Okay anyways so she heads over to Coopers place and tells him what happened and he orders her to disappear. He gives her money and she leaves but before she leaves she puts a call into 911 still wanting to help Locke even though she is the one to plow him over. So, Locke is found taken to the hospital and that is when they discover he has been paralyzed.Locke awakens after being knocked out has no memorie to what has taken place. He's in the hospital for a while and can't understand why Helen has not come to see him. After being released he tries to contact her but nothing. This is when he starts to become obsessed with her. He is lonely without her and turns to a sex phone lady and thats when he starts to call her Helen. After everything that had happened he tries to move on with his life and finds out about the walk about in Australia and this is where his life takes a dramatic change, the cursed flight of 118 or maybe I should say a blessed flight! Okay I know that was long but it could be plausible! What do you think? (And don't worry you wont hurt my feelings Im a big girl!)

Kate as Cooper's daughter? How does it fit with "What Kate Did"??

Kate as Cooper's daughter? How does it fit with "What Kate Did"?? I don't see it fitting.

Another Red attached to Locke. Nadia's car was red. I'm wondering if he is injured in a car accident if it isn't with Nadia, there is also the chance that he is the 3rd party in the Adam Rutherfor/Sarah crash.

(approximate quotations...)

Helen: I like bald guys.

Locke: But, I'm not bald.

Helen: I can wait.


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On the surface, that just seemed to be an indication from Helen to Locke that she was interested in something long term... but that first line stood out to me as some kind of hint about Helen.

What other bald guy might she be or have been involved with?
or
Maybe we will see Helen on the island, now that Locke is really bald.
Maybe Sun's hotel manager boyfriend. :)