I pondered this in another thread and didn't find anything else on a Search, so am starting a new thread.

Since part of the Dharma Initiative was to study Meterorology...maybe a
Dharma-created tornado (or other weather disturbance) brought Flight 815 down. We've all seen the footage of untouched items and heavy objects relocated intact within areas hit by severe tornadoes. Think vehicles, Dorothy's house ;) , etc.

The force of a tornado could certainly break up the plane, yet, maybe, still set the pieces down relatively lightly.

TabbyRasa:

Great idea! I think you might be on to something, though I don't think it's a tornado. If they are in the South Pacific, then I think it would be more logical for the weather patterns which affected the plane to be more in line with South Pacific storms and such. There is also a thread on the monsoon and if it will occur or not here: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=583755#post583755 that I think you'd find interesting.

Thanks JohnnyREB! I'll check it out.

Maybe someone is using the Dharma weather tools and findings to protect the Island
with weather and/or to entrap people (and their vehicles and provisions) on the Island.

I believe a long time ago..that the monster is a controlled tornado !...i also think about the HAARP system projects by the U.S. government !...maybe this ideas aren't so funny i thought

Maybe a methane bubble brought down the plane (Bermuda Triangle) and the magnetic field on the Island served as a cushion (remember the Orientation video..there was a chunk of metal floating in the air)...

I am still willing to bet any takers that some time during the show's run a character will say "looks like we are not in Kansas anymore." Can't you just hear Sawyer uttering those words?!

On a more serious note, I think meteorological events will be revealed to have an important place in the story. And I don't just mean naming one character Kelvin.

As long as someone doesn't show up named Farenheit or Celcious...

Agreed on the weather being a huge factor. I have been slapped down on my theory of the weather many times so I will not go into that one again....:)

You may be on to something with the weather, but I don't think it was a tornado.
Planes of that size generally fly above the weather, turbulance being the major problem with storms not things like wind. Also, they show Jack looking out the window a few minutes before the plane starts having problems and it is clearly sunny with no hint of severe weather.
That's not to say something else weather related didn't have something to do with it or that violent weather related turbulence wasn't enough to take down the plane - just don't see a tornado doing it.

I definitely agree weather will play a major role in the island mystery.
Just my 2cents.

Woah. Something just hit me, and I think it definitely supports this thread. You know how it rains all the time, on a regular basis? That could very well be due to the Meteorology experiments. If that's true, then I wouldn't think it'd be too far off to think the island (or whatever) could create monsoons, tornadoes, etc...or stop them from happening. If there's some consciousness in control, then that might have brought down the plane.

I like this theory, but johnny doesn't it tend to rain everyday on most islands and costal cities? The Dharma guy definetly stated they were doing weather expirments..

I like this theory, but johnny doesn't it tend to rain everyday on most islands and costal cities? The Dharma guy definetly stated they were doing weather expirments..

Ya know, I think that's right at least in regard to Pacific islands and coastal areas. I don't think it's true about everywhere else.

Not unless you live in Seattle :)

Any one see any clues as to whether it rains every 108 minutes or so?

Now, that I don't think has been analized.

That would be really funny.
Here the fog rolls in about every 108 minutes.:)

It occurred to me that a tornado might have been what caused the Black Rock to end up a mile or so inland. I kind of think of the Dark Territory as similar to Africa. Cameroon has a really big problem with frequency of tornadoes. Hmm...

Good points, shootfire. It also might explain why the Dharma Initiative built the hatches underground...to protect themselves, their equipment and their provisions from weather disturbances and wildlife they were experimenting with. They could monitor their experiments from safety underground.

Safety in numbers :rolleyes: Keep your members safe, the world is safe

Livingfortheweekend,

You must live in San Francisco. I just know there's a hatch in Golden Gate Park somewhere. Probably under the new art museum.

Shootfire,

I think we need to figure out what happened because of natural causes(pre Dharma) and what happened because of Dharma. I think we all feel that the same force brought all of the lost vehicles to the island in the same way. I think the next ep will shed light on whether or not what we think is an island actually is an island. That might discount the natural tornado theory. However a black science tornado is clearly not out of the question for our loved ones, our family, our dark mirror made of clay selves, the 815ers.

Well, not to go against everything you guys have been posting here. But I seem to remember JJ and crew releasing that we would eventually see that the numbers itself have been effecting the lives of many people, and bringing them to the island. But we wouldnt find out why right away.

I remember reading this around midseason of season 1. Now alot has changed in Lost since that was posted in spoilerfix.com. So it may no longer be true.

I would like the tornado theory if there were more signs of it having happened. I don't remember seeing a trail of broken trees in the jungle that a tornado would have created.

But if we are talking about controlled weather, maybe the project has found a way to control how a tornado "acts".

Information regarding tornados can be found on this page; http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/#The%20Basics

In short it states; According to the Glossary of Meteorology (AMS 2000), a tornado is "a violently rotating column of air, pendant from a cumuliform cloud or underneath a cumuliform cloud, and often (but not always) visible as a funnel cloud." Literally, in order for a vortex to be classified as a tornado, it must be in contact with the ground and the cloud base.

Due to thins definition it is not possible that the plane was hit by a tornado since planes fly way above the clouds. And also, I´m not sure that the climate in the south pacific can give rise to tornatdos.......

Information regarding tornados can be found on this page; http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/#The%20Basics

In short it states; According to the Glossary of Meteorology (AMS 2000), a tornado is "a violently rotating column of air, pendant from a cumuliform cloud or underneath a cumuliform cloud, and often (but not always) visible as a funnel cloud." Literally, in order for a vortex to be classified as a tornado, it must be in contact with the ground and the cloud base.

Due to thins definition it is not possible that the plane was hit by a tornado since planes fly way above the clouds. And also, I´m not sure that the climate in the south pacific can give rise to tornatdos.......

This is true that planes are not affected by tornados due to the fact that they fly way above the clouds. But......who is to say that the planes flight instruments weren't affected in some way, and the plane was actually flying much lower than what the altimiter was showing the pilots? This isn't my fav theory, but it's not a bad one ;)

This is true that planes are not affected by tornados due to the fact that they fly way above the clouds. But......who is to say that the planes flight instruments weren't affected in some way, and the plane was actually flying much lower than what the altimiter was showing the pilots? This isn't my fav theory, but it's not a bad one ;)

It is not impossible, however first the pilots would have seen it, and so would all the passengers if they looks out of the windows. In order to be affect by a tornado the plane would have to be flying under heavy clouds, and as has been stated, the weather outside the windows seemed to be fine and they were not under heavy clouds.

Okay, so what if it isn't a tornado? Could a waterspout have had a similar affect on the plane somehow? Or perhaps just something in the cloudcover -- a meteorligical manifestation impacted by electro-magnetic waves or something? Just thinking out loud here.

I hardly think a watersprout could come near a plane at 12 000 feet or what they cruise on.... And they are far above the clouds. It IS possible that the plane went down without any meteorological intervention...

Rewatching the Pilot... when the tail section breaks off you can see clearly - nothing but blue skies.
Kind of creepy actually.

It could have been a downburst - hoping suspicions are turned away from Dharma

The weather project,IMO, will have a lot to do with the downing of the plane and bringing the other vessels to the "Island". If we think a bit about what was said on the film, It was stated that the Swan station was there to research the strong electromagnetic presence in that sector of the "Island", so maybe there are "other" phenomenon occurring on the "Island" in other sectors. Why bring Polar Bears to the "Island" unless in one of the sectors something is occurring that deals directly with them. There could also be naturally occurring weather phenomenon based in a different sector. If Dharma scientist were studying this and have found a way to manipulate it, it isn't so far out there to think they could have some control over the weather.

There have been a number of threads in which we have discussed Nikola Tesla, I bring this up because he believed there was electromagnetic energy all around us and we just needed to learn how to capture it. He was also said to have found a way to manipulate weather and was studying the feasibility of changing weather patterns that would allow the desert to grow as lushly as farm lands.

coils - reminds me of snakes


I love the NERD thread

I'll take that guy up on his bet about the 'Kansas' line. :-D

Do tornadoes really occur out in the middle of the ocean? I always thought they were a land-based phenomenon....

I'll take that guy up on his bet about the 'Kansas' line. :-D

Do tornadoes really occur out in the middle of the ocean? I always thought they were a land-based phenomenon....
Dharma had a Meteorology project. So, perhaps they were capable of creating artificial tornadoes (even above the ocean, or perhaps the plane was over the island). And Dharma most likely deliberately brought down the plane. To those who commented on the blue skies and pilot/passengers not seeing a tornado, we don't really know for sure. All we know is what we were shown. I'm not 100% behind this idea, it's just a possibility. I actually favor a staged crash.


You know how it rains all the time, on a regular basis? That could very well be due to the Meteorology experiments. If that's true, then I wouldn't think it'd be too far off to think the island (or whatever) could create monsoons, tornadoes, etc...or stop them from happening. If there's some consciousness in control, then that might have brought down the plane.
JohnnyREB, you tied it together right here...Dharma could have combined the Meteorology experimentation with the Parapsychology experimentation...so someone "special" like Walt (who seemed to control the rain) can control severe weather patterns as well.

And someone already mentioned Tesla's research on weather control.

It occurred to me that a tornado might have been what caused the Black Rock to end up a mile or so inland. I kind of think of the Dark Territory as similar to Africa. Cameroon has a really big problem with frequency of tornadoes. Hmm...

What about Tsunamis?



I hardly think a waterspout could come near a plane at 12 000 feet or what they cruise on.... And they are far above the clouds. It IS possible that the plane went down without any meteorological intervention...


One last thing....

They are on an island with polar bears, magical appearing horses, secret hatches, a supposed monster, and a fat dude who despite being on the island for about a month with less food than normal, still hasn't lost any weight.

Just about anything is fair game folks. So chill.

The force of a tornado could certainly break up the plane, yet, maybe, still set the pieces down relatively lightly.
the pilot never mentioned anything about weather, he said they did manage to fly 1000 miles off course, so im not buying the weather theory, as good as it sounds, i'm more inclined to believe it has something to do with magnetics, yes that piece of metal floating in orientation, will come into again

im pretty sure that the plane was brought down by aliens, or any other supernatural being. a tornado would probably have brought the plane down with more force, the plane came down quite peacefully really, no explosions and stuff. (until someone got sucked into the engine) and maybe its not the people on the island who have powers, maybe theyre `chosen` by aliens or something, after all the guy who read claires future seen something ugly, lol. alien maybe???

We don't know for sure that there were no explosions involved.... we didn't actually witness the crash, we came in after the fact (which I think was a very deliberate choice on the part of the writers, hence giving rise to all the 'experiment' speculation and whatnot), so anything goes really as far as that's concerned. And as for the whole 'noone could've survived if there'd been an explosion' theory.... what can you really say to that? No survivors = no show....

Under normal conditions, no one would have...but the Island is normal only in concept not in fact.

I believe that something retrieved flight 815, cushioned its fall from the sky then split it into chunks...all of which had survivors, many of whom are now either missing or dead.