Not sure how to make spolier tags right... so be forewarned!

In this episode, there was one "throwaway" line that I thought might have special significance.

Shannon to Boone about Locke: "What is he, your new boyfriend?" While it could have been some immature comment, I think it hints that perhaps we're all correct in speculating that Boone is a homosexual. Just pointing it out!

I noticed that too - and he didn't deny it to her either!

YES YES YES i think he is gay or bisexual because when shannon said is that your new boyfriend she didnt say it in a snotty mocking tone but rather as a hurt child. maybe there was a love triangle with boone and another man, and shannon, i.e. the guy with the kid who saw finding nemo 900 times.

My 1st thought too...but it was just WAY too obvious! I dunno...just have the tendency to be paranoid about believing things put out there blatantly on ANY good show with a staff as creative as this one's...hmmmm....guess we'll have to wait and see next week!

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YES YES YES* i think he is gay or bisexual because when shannon said is that your new boyfriend she didnt say it in a snotty mocking tone* but rather as a hurt child.* maybe there was a love triangle with boone and another man, and shannon, i.e. the guy with the kid who saw finding nemo 900 times.*


Well i kinda see it...I mean didn't you see his reaction when Shannon was telling Sayid about the guy who had the kid who was watching Finding Nemo in French...I mean Boone's face was really furious

Well i kinda see it...I mean didn't you see his reaction when Shannon was telling Sayid about the guy who had the kid who was watching Finding Nemo in French...I mean Boone's face was really furious


Yeah, I noticed that too! He reminded me of Ethan, it really freaked me out for a moment there.

Yeah, what was with that look? I've been really loving Boone lately. He just seems like a good guy, except the way he treats Shannon, but until this episode I really didn't like Shannon, so it didn't matter. lol

But after that look on his face, I'm beginning to think we have put our trust in Boone too quickly. He may be a baddie after all!

I noticed his expression too when she mentioned the new boyfriend comment. He seemed to eye her pretty hard and have a very serious look on his face. And he didn't deny it or make any kind of comeback comment on it, so who knows.

I've been thinking for the past few weeks that Boone is gay or bisexual... because Kristin from E! said he had a deep, dark secret, and that it wasn't that he and Shannon had an incestuous relationship (thank God!). She also mentioned that the show's family friendly award might get snatched away. A lot of "family" awards aren't too GLBT-friendly.

I won't believe Boone's a baddie until I see him do something totally evil and with a great deal of glee.

I think he was glowering like that not because of Shannon, but because of *Sayid*. I think he knows exactly what his sister's capable of. He's seen her manipulate people before and he's even seen her hit on men before without getting that pissed off - remember Charlie and the fishing in "Walkabout"? I think he knows Shannon better than anybody and he knows she's up to no good.

Andrea,

That's a good point. Maybe Boone is a peacemaker after all and he knows that if Sayid is used by Shannon and then hurt by her, the feeble "peace" they have on the island might shatter.

Or maybe Boone has a crush on Sayid...

Just kidding. I'm not convinced that Boone is gay. Yet.

I think he was glowering at Sayid, especially considering what he said to Sayid in the teaser for the next episode.

Sayid, a former communications officer, used by Shannon? *I really don't think so. *Boone might think so, but what would Shannon use Sayid for? *He can't hunt or fish or do anything for Shannon that I can think of. *I don't know. *I think there's something else going on here. *Nothing is ever as it seems (*sigh* I can't believe I used that last phrase).

Hmmmm,

Well, maybe Shannon is a secret agent of the CIA and she knows about manipulation and how to get something out of people just as much as Sayid does (from his army training)

Maybe she thinks Sayid knows something he's not sharing about Danielle. Maybe Boone knows her plan and doesn't approve. Maybe...

Oh crap. I'm watching Alias and I think I just got my shows mixed up.

theG, you're right, of course. There is nothing that Shannon could do to Sayid. Unless she makes him fall in love with her. Sensibilities and training go out the window when you're in love (this has proven to be Sayid's reaction during his own flashback, by the way)

withay, I missed that part in the teaser for next episode. What did Boone say to Sayid???

I think he was glowering at Sayid, especially considering what he said to Sayid in the teaser for the next episode.

Let me explain. My other favorite show is Everwood and the best friendship to come out of that show is between two characters (Bright and Ephram) who started out hating each other, with one "warning" the other one away from his sister in very aggressive in -your-face ways. For a long time it looked like he was just being a jerk, but in the long run, it turned out that the sister WAS using the new guy and was genuinely being warned away from something hurtful.

I'm thinking that's the case here. I think Boone is genuinely good and Shannon's not. Plus the TVGuide description for next week says

that we find out that Shannon is not as pure or demure as we thought. And since most of us think she's pretty skanky as it is, that's really saying something. Ian Somerhalder (Boone) just told Zap2it.com that we should all feel free to continue hating Shannon and that he likes Boone a lot more after having filmed his episode, which is next week's.

I think it's supposed to LOOK like Boone's being unreasonably jealous... but he's not.

Boone said, "Stay away from my sister!"

And Sayid was the one who started with the fluffy eyes.

but * what would Shannon use Sayid for?


** must resist responding to this question!**

Can someone please explain to me the facination with whether or not Boone is gay? Every site I've looked at has long drawn out discussions on the topic. I just don't get it. Is really that important? I don't see how it could possibly have any impact on the quality of the program, and within the context of the show it's self it certainly couldn't have any impact on whether or not they get rescued or learn to survive on their own.

Just wondering.

Whether Boone is gay or not is just as important as what Kate did or what Sawyers real name is. It goes to understanding the charater. It's not a judgement on the guy.

As to those who think Shannon couldn't use Sayid, well...

women have been using men for centuries and even the smartest ones do dumb things when hormones get involved. I think it's the blood rushing from the brain, makes 'em suseptible to all sorts of manipulations.

They were kind of eyeing each other for a minute there. :o

Lemmie tell ya, if Sayid looked at me like that, I'd be in a puddle on the sand. *mmmmm, sexy Sayid. *Okay, sorry about that. *

Thanks for telling me what Boone said to Sayid in the teaser. *I'm taping Alias and couldn't stop to rewind the tape and watch the teaser again. *

Thanks for the info from TV Guide, Andrea. *I was glad to hear that. *I want to love Boone. *Still, that look frightened me.

Well, Maggie has said that Shannon appears as someone we wouldn't really like at first glance, but she thinks Shannon has a good heart. *I don't know that that needed a spoiler front.

Sheba, *I'm sincerely curious. *I can't think of anything and if someone else has something they think is a possibility, I really want to know.

Robinhood56, I agree with you about Boone being gay or not. *Shannon could definitely use Sayid (I think it might be a tad harder as he used to be a communications officer), but my question is "what for?" *Why would she do it?

I took the gay comment as the writers pulling the viewers in one direction so they can tug even harder in the other direction next week. Maybe the writers purposely added in as a tinge of sarcasm given that there are tons of *is Boone gay posts* out there.

Sheba, I'm with you. I don't care one way or the other if Boone is gay or bi. (Seems like there's a pun lurking in there, but I am getting to sleepy to fish it out. Oops, there I go again. "one way or the other." "out" *These are the jokes, people. :D. So, sorry. Too sleepy to post. *;D)

OH, I just thought of the answer! Shannon is a siren. Her singing will drive Sayid mad with desire!

Man, I gotta log off and get some sleep. *:P

Thanks Robinhood. I was just curious about the Boone thing.

... and I am pretty confident that with very little effort I could make quite a list of things I'd like to use Sayid for, but I won't share it. :-X

Robinhood56, I agree with you about Boone being gay or not. *Shannon could definitely use Sayid (I think it might be a tad harder as he used to be a communications officer), but my question is "what for?" *Why would she do it?


Maybe she just likes the attention. No one is paying much atention to her and I'll bet she is used to having guys moon over her. Having Sayid admire her would be an ego boost.

Has anyone thought maybe Boone doesn't want Sayid with his sister because he thinks the guy is not, um, pale enough? Ugly but not that far fetched.

Actually, crazy since he is such a nice mocha brown. *sigh* *:angel:

Sheba, *right there with ya..... (is there an "I love Sayid" group here on the board, cause I should be a member.)

I did notice Boone being a little older-brotherish and protective. But with this show, you never know! That's what I like about it. And I also refuse to think of him as a bad guy until I see it (if I see it).

Jessica

Robinhood56, you continue to make excellent points, but Sayid started making fluffy eyes at her first.

And Boone, being extremely liberal, probably doesn't have any racial issues with Sayid.

I took the gay comment as the writers pulling the viewers in one direction so they can tug even harder in the other direction next week.* Maybe the writers purposely added in as a tinge of sarcasm given that there are tons of *is Boone gay posts* out there.


Or was formerly female. ;)

Alane

Robinhood56, you continue to make excellent points, but Sayid started making fluffy eyes at her first.

And Boone, being extremely liberal, probably doesn't have any racial issues with Sayid.


I don't know G. I know some people who are very liberal for the most part. Everyone welcome, everyone equal, but...
you wouldn't want your sister to marry one.

He is also from an unfriendly country. Not a big point in many American's eyes.

Nice, upper class folks can be like that. Things tend to be easier in theory than in practice. Unfortunately. :-\

HELP
Please, someone tell me why I can't get my spoiler tags to work. I have tried editing my post, but I just can't get it right. ???
Thank you!
Terry

TerryLost, there's an icon with an S on it.* You're supposed to use that.

EDIT: Robinhood56, that's true...

*waits to be informed about an "I Love Sayid (or rather, Naveen)" group*

theG
Thanks for the info.
I still couldn't get it to post the way that I wanted, so I just edited the "spoiler" out. But I will use your info next time. Thanks again.
Terry

No problem. It took me some time to figure it out.

I think Shannon made a comment about Boone's sexuality in because he rejected her romantically (or sexually) at some time in the past. Alot of women who believe they are what every man should want, behave in this way when they're really just hurt or offended. They lash out worse, the more they liked the man.

I think Boone was probably kinda jealous, but that that doesn't mean Shannon isn't a bad person (at least in this circumstance). Maybe he wanted to be with her at one time but realized it wasn't right. (and i don't think they're blood related, but this works for even if they are) And so he would still have feelings for her, and would still hate to see her wth someone else. And if she was really pissed about his rejection, she would love nothing better than to drive him nuts by flirting with other guys.

That said, i don't think she was flirting with Sayid. I think she genuinely wanted to be useful. Especially with Boone losing interest in her and spending all his time on some secret thing in the jungle. [i][She's/i] probably jealous, or at least mad that Boone doesn't need to be around her all the time anymore.

OKAY OKAY STOP!!!! STOP RIGHT THERE MISTERS AND MISSIES!!!!!! Have you ever thought that Shannon might have a genuine interest in Sayid and that it was like what Robinhood56 said? That maybe, Boone has a problem with his race? Becuase, it is true in the statement that a lot of upper class, nice folks are like that. And why does everyone believe that they were flirting? You don't have to be flirting to be attracted romantically to someone. They could have merely been admiring each other.

Did you see the way he watched her when she smiled? I DID!!! C'MON!! AND SHE WATCHED HIM WHEN HE SMILED!!! GRRRRRR....and WHAT is with this INCEST theory!? THAT REALLY GETS ON MY NERVES!! SHE WASN'T SAYING IT BECUASE SHE WANTED BOONE AND WANTS TO GET BACK AT HIM WITH SAYID!!!! THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THERE WAS NOOOOOOOOO INCEST!!!!! AAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!

Pen, perhaps you should try removing the caps lock button from your keyboard. You are using an unhealthy amount of capital letters. We understand lower-case much better.

Erm...eh heh heh...sorry 'bout that, but when it comes to two of my very favorite characters, Sayid and Shannon and their impending pairing (I hope), I get a little carried away. *grins cheesily* That...and I just had a brownie sundae... ;)

I suppose that's understandable. Just breathe and count sugarplumb fairies next time.

Of course it matters if one of the characters is gay!!! This is a character-driven show. Its all about relationships. Jack's with his dad, Sawyer's with those women he conned, Kate's with "the man I loved" Sayid with Nadia, Jin and Sun, Rose and her husband. Not to mention all the possible relationships developing on the island (Charlie and Claire, Kate and Sawyer and/or Jack). So, why exclude the possibility of a guy who has relationships with other guys??? That wouldn't make sense. Out of 48 people at least a couple *of them have to be gay. It wouldn't be honest to exclude them or their relationships from the story!!!! It would actually be discriminiatory.

Lots of people have issues with homosexual characters (I don't understand why), more specifically male homosexual characters. I know everyone references BtVS, but...it took Willow and Tara an entire season of dating before a kiss between the two was shown. This is prime time television, and censorship is very American (<<sorry, my stuff). I would love there to be an openly gay character, though. I guess I'll just have to wait five whole days until the next episode!

Lots of people have issues with homosexual characters (I don't understand why), more specifically male homosexual characters.* I know everyone references BtVS, but...it took Willow and Tara an entire season of dating before a kiss between the two was shown.* This is prime time television, and censorship is very American (<<sorry, my stuff).* I would love there to be an openly gay character, though.* I guess I'll just have to wait five whole days until the next episode!


I thought that the husband on "Desperate Housewives" was going to turn out to be gay -- and the show even dropped a few hints in that direction. But it turned out that he was more interested in non-conservative heterosexual sex.

So, Shannon's line may indeed turn out to be a false lead.

Alane

don't you think shannon's comment was just waaayyyy too obvious .. a complete giveaway.. why would they be so blatant about it.. perhaps it IS just to throw us off? we all get talking about boone's sexuality and then BAM .. when we watch next weeks ep we WILL get a surprise because it will be something completely different!..

or not...

ahhhhHHHHHHH............. *BOOOM*

yes that was the sound of my head exploding.

That maybe, Boone has a problem with [Sayid's] race? Becuase, it is true in the statement that a lot of upper class, nice folks are like that.


Risking getting a little off topic for a second, um, whoa. As an 'upper class, nice folk' I definitely resent that. Racism exists in all classes, and certainly having money doesn't make you anymore likely to resent an Iraqi, or anyone else. If this is Boone's issue, I doubt it has anything to do with his class. On a similar note, did the attacking of Muslims after 9/11 have anything to do with the attacker's annual income? As far as I know, it didn't.

On Topic: I'm not sure whether or not Boone's gay. It seems like he'd be too obvious a choice, yet this show does portray characters in stereotypes/archetypes- Kate's the criminal with a heart of cold, Jack's the good doctor, Sawyer's the redneck with a hard past, Sun's the repressed housewife, etc. So I suppose Boone could be the gay wedding planner... I just don't like the idea much. I kind of hope if they do make a character gay, it's a less expected one- maybe Michael or Sayid.

don't you think shannon's comment was just waaayyyy too obvious .. a complete giveaway.. why would they be so blatant about it.. perhaps it IS just to throw us off? we all get talking about boone's sexuality and then BAM .. when we watch next weeks ep we WILL get a surprise because it will be something completely different!..

or not...

ahhhhHHHHHHH............. *BOOOM*

yes that was the sound of my head exploding.


Or maybe the comment is to trick us into saying "no, they made it so obvious, it can't be that" when in fact it really is!

Or maybe to trick us into thinking that they want us to think it IS that because it IS so obvious, and therefore shouldn't think it.

I feel like that guy from the Princess Bride!

LATE, my feelings exactly.

I want him to be gay but now that I've thought about it some more, I'm leaning towards him being straight.

DUDE DUDE DUDE!!! WHOA!! STOP!!! *tires screech* I did not mean that it was JUST upper class folks. Did I say that it was just upper class folks? NO! I am saying that there are upper class folks who like to pretend in equality, but, no, you would never want your sister dating an Iraqi. ANd I did not say that ALL upper class folks are like that. In fact, there is a lot mroe racism in lower classes with less edication as a result of ignorance. But anyway, if you're still taking my comment the wring way, then I do not know how to console you.

Anyway, I was saying that Boone may be feeling that way, considering that there are already prejudices against Sayid because of his culture (Which I happen to think is a crock of crap. Just because there are serial killers in America, doesn't mean that all of us are serial killers.). Anyway, he may or may not, but it is a point to consider.

Jow, it may be overprotectiveness, it may be the STUPID teaser that infuriates me, it may be that he is going crazy, it may be that they are NOT brother and sister and that they previously had a re;ationship, which is my most prominent theory. I sincerely apologize for offending you in any way. I really did NOT mean it that way.

I didn't mean it like... err, never mind. The way you said it implied that racism comes with class and it kind of freaked me out. Truce?

Hee, on a lighter note, the "no, you would never want your sister dating an Iraqi" comment made me laugh, just because of the sheer oddness of it. I recently set my twin sister up with a friend who moved here from Iraq about 8 months ago.

Getting back on topic, though:
Apparently Boone had a sexual relationship with Shannon, and is possibly still in love with her. (Look at the thread titled "Hearts and Minds: more indepth" or something similar). Sexuality's really just a bell curve, though, so I suppose...

Y'all are both wrong anyway =)

In the spoiler forum, I posted details that answer all these questions about next week's episode. Y'all may want to see them before arguing any further.

Are you talking about your 5 points? The things that are 'clear' to you? If so, I didn't think those were spoilers, but speculation on the actual spoiler. The TWOP spoiler's vague enough that there's room for question.

I don't actually think Boone's racist. It was just another idea introduced. Gah, now I'm all confused as to what's spoiler and what's speculation. Maybe I should just spoiler font everything, lol.

A spoiler is any information about an unaired episode. Speculation is just theorizing. The "five points" I made were based on spoilers, but were my own personal speculation. I'm referring to the information in the first post of that thread.

Ah, okay, that's what I thought. And I didn't contradict that information, as far as I know. Huh. Now I'm all confused. I think I should just go to bed...

I agree, I don't think that Boone is racist, it's just maybe a possibility that you can't throw out. I think that he is jealous because they are not really blood-related and had a relationship (Or he likes her) and now he wants Sayid outta the piccy. If he touches my Sayid he shall have to die. I'll have to call the aforementioned Godfather and the Family.

Pen, you need to go through and put the spoiler front over some of those things in your post. A lot of people are quite anti-spoilers.

YES YES YES* i think he is gay or bisexual because when shannon said is that your new boyfriend she didnt say it in a snotty mocking tone* but rather as a hurt child.* maybe there was a love triangle with boone and another man, and shannon, i.e. the guy with the kid who saw finding nemo 900 times.*


I know this is kinda random, and doesn't directly relate to the post but what if Boone was the guy with the kid who saw Finding Nemo 900 times? I dunno...I just got that impression...not sure if it's explainable at all...what do you guys think?

Pen, you need to go through and put the spoiler front over some of those things in your post. A lot of people are quite anti-spoilers.


I realize this but those are not spoilers, those are my speculations. A spoiler is this:

Spoiler-Noun-something from the next episode that is fact

So, my theories are not spoilers, unless in fact I am a writer/producer-type person in disguise and you guys have yet to figger it out. *evil laughter*

Pen: Please read what I'm about to put a spoiler front in front of.

You posted in a thread twice in which the following SPOILERS are found: Boone and Shannon are not blood-relatives and they had a relationship/Boone's in love/like with her. You also posted this info in this thread after you posted in the spoiler thread. It is a spoiler. Your speculation about the spoiler is the following: Boone wants Sayid out of the piccy.

DON'T GET ANGRY!! I DON'T WANT ARGUMENTS, I just want to discuss this calmly, without the use of italics and caps, unless yelling for a righteous cause.

So, wait, I thought that them not being blood relatives was just speculation and not proven? I might be thinking of another thread in the spoiler section, though, so please if you are going to answer my question, please do it politely, and I probably will go back and change my posts. I respond more nicely to politeness than direct order. My dad says I have an authority problem. :-[

Pen, chill, this is the internet. You can't assume I'm angry with you because I used caps once to emphasize the word "spoilers" and italics to do the same.

And the thread in the spoilers section was started by Andrea. She knows the difference between spoilers and speculation. If you could please go back and put the spoiler front on, that would rock. I have some friends who frequent the board; I really don't want them to be spoiled if they don't want to be spoiled.

OOOOOOH...okies! Me shall do the spoiler merbobby. Sorry bout that. To tell you the truth, it was cuz I like talking to you. Ur specualtions are pretty kewl...and...UR A SHAYID FAN!!! MWUAHAHA!!! I really gotta cut back on the cugar. :vampire:

Duh! Who doesn't like talking to me? I RULE! :blink:

If you're Pen and Sword, I reviewed your Shayid fic. The plot is quite lovely. I'm anxious to read more. If you're not Pen and Sword... :blush:

KYAH!!! U REVIEWED MY FIC!!! Which one? Rain Dance or Shattered Countenance and what was ur name? Also, I am Pen Against Sowrd, but the Pen And Swrod person doesn't even write Lost fics, so I think I am the right one. :D I am now very happy. And I will do the spoiler thingy when I am finished wiith my sandwich.

I shall PM you so everyone can get back on topic.

I just have to say in here that the relationship between Shannon and Boone is speculation, not fact. We've been discussing it in wild theories for a couple weeks now. It's not known whether they are because their episode, or any other concrete info hasn't aired yet. It's a common speculation that's been going on for a while, but I still don't think it's a spoiler, no more so than people speculating on whether or not Boone is gay. I haven't read a spoiler about Shannon and Boone that has any facts about their relationship, but I still speculate that it might be something other than what we've seen so far, and have done so since the end of December, as have many others.

In this forum it's speculation.* Pen and I have been in the spoiler forum where there is a spoiler posted regarding the relationship between Shannon and Boone.* The source of the spoiler is said to be fairly reliable.

I'd say since this certain speculation has been around since before we were informed of the spoiler, it would seem even more odd if it just vanished. So maybe you can continue... theorizing as long as you don't give it away by having a spoiler segment attached right to it? It's one thing to post 'Boone and Shannon are related in this way, but entirely different to post Boone and Shannon are related in this way because TWOP spoiler goes here. One appears to be blind speculation, whereas the other...

I'm still up in the air about Boone's sexuality, but the thing that has really stood out to me, is how verbally abusive he is to Shannon. Obviously, she's no angel herself, but he really seems to go overboard putting her down, and is generally the instigator in their sparring. I swear, if he calls her useless, or worthless one more time I'm gonna throw something at the t.v.! grr >:(

In this forum it's speculation.* Pen and I have been in the spoiler forum where there is a spoiler posted regarding the relationship between Shannon and Boone. The source of the spoiler is said to be fairly reliable.


um... didn't you just basically spoil us all with that comment?* *LOL you alluded to what a spoiler actually says, which you believe to be reliable.* hence from your previous posts, we can gather that you're saying that the speculation is true.

*sigh* It's because I'm a retard :-[.

Thanks for telling me, though. I did something similar today only no one warned me. I'm wracked with guilt.

I thought that the husband on "Desperate Housewives" was going to turn out to be gay -- and the show even dropped a few hints in that direction. But it turned out that he was more interested in non-conservative heterosexual sex.



snork.

Much easier to simply type, "kinky."

;D

I'm still up in the air about Boone's sexuality, but the thing that has really stood out to me, is how verbally abusive he is to Shannon. Obviously, she's no angel herself, but he really seems to go overboard putting her down, and is generally the instigator in their sparring. I swear, if he calls her useless, or worthless one more time I'm gonna throw something at the t.v.! grr >:(


Yes, that has been annoying. Whatever their previous relationship, he definitely wants to be the boss of her. That's a sign of immaturity and insecurity on his part.

Alane

snork.

Much easier to simply type, "kinky."

;D


I wanted to avoid any term that carried a possibly judgmental connotation. ;)

Alane

Yes, that has been annoying. Whatever their previous relationship, he definitely wants to be the boss of her. That's a sign of immaturity and insecurity on his part.

Alane


It is like the only way he can feel good about himself is to put her down .... almost as if he's jealous of her ... I imagine that we'll be seeing why very soon.

Hey, everyone, there is this song running through my head and it goes:

Tomorrow, tomorrow
I'll love ya tomorrow
It's only a day awaaaaaaaay

Because guess what tomorrow is? WEDNESDAY!!! Wednesday=Lost

Lost+Me=Happy Lost+Me=No Bad mood Lost+Me=stay away during the show or you shall die. And they say I can't do math....

IMHO, Boone is bi. Or gay and in denial about it. If he does have the hots for Sayid, I'd have to say that he's got good taste! :D

IMHO, Boone is bi. Or gay and in denial about it. If he does have the hots for Sayid, I'd have to say that he's got good taste! :D


True. That would be an indication of* good taste on his part.

And may I add my singing voice to the sentiment that I can hardly wait until tomorrow and a new "Lost" episode!

Alane