In case anyone was wondering, the film that Shannon's lover's obnoxious kid in San Tropeze watched over and over and over was Finding Nemo. I have a 6yo who also watched it "900 times" so I know the song by heart now too.

Finding! Fricking! Nemo! I can't believe they went there. Well, it IS on ABC which is a subsidiary of Disney. But uh, Finding Nemo is part of the island mystery now too? *dies laughing* I love this show.

Anyway, the end of Finding Nemo features the song "Beyond the Sea," which is sung by Robbie Williams. It's a remake of the Bobby Darrin 1960s hit; I'm sure there's been a French version of it around for a while. Here are the lyrics in English:

Somewhere beyond the sea
Somewhere waiting for me
My lover stands on golden sands
And watches the ships that go sailing

Somewhere beyond the sea
She's there watching for me
If I could fly like birds on high
Then straight to her arms I'd go sailing
It's far beyond the stars, it's near beyond the moon
I know beyond a doubt
My heart will lead me there soon

We'll meet beyond the shore
We'll kiss just like before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailing

I know beyond a doubt
My heart will lead me there soon
We'll meet, I know we'll meet beyond the shore
We'll kiss just as before
Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailing

Kind of sad from Danielle's point of view though huh? Especially the last line.

Did u noticed that at the end of the episode Rose was kinda saying similar word from that song??

Must find French translation--my friend heard 'reflets d'argent' in the song and saw it on the map...that's why the "nonsense" looked familiar to Shannon, it's Beyond the Sea in French?

Yes it's the original lyrics of the song we know as "Beyond The Sea" in French.

Thanks to Google, I've discovered that the Bobby Darrin version from 1960 is the first remake; the original WAS in French, a song called "La Mer" (the Ocean) by Charles Trenet. Huh. You learn something new every day. There's a whole history of the song here (http://www.theworld.org/globalhits/2004/12/16.shtml). Apparently, the French lyrics are completely different.

More Googling and Babelfishing (http://world.altavista.com) are obviously necessary.

Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie

La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergère d'azur
Infinie

Voyez
Près des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées

La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon cœur pour la vie


Here's the French... I don't the English is a direct translation. *For example, d'azur Infinie or blue infinity is not in the English version.

Babelfish is useless. We need a real French speaker in here.

I knew this song in French first, and then realized it was in english as well! hehe. too much french. anyways, I know it's in another movie (not Finding Nemo) in English version. can anyone jog my memory?

Babelfish is indeed useless.

I Googled it and found a translation about five or six posts down on this page (http://www.spynets.com/forum/index.php?s=6f6027b433ec85f474082326b6110248&showtopic=126).

La mer
Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs
A des reflets d'argent
La mer
Des reflets changeants
Sous la pluie

The sea
which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs
to sparkles of silver. [Note: "reflets" also means "reflections"]
The sea
Of changing sparkles ["reflections"]
Under the rain.

La mer
Au ciel d'été confond
Ses blancs moutons
Avec les anges si purs
La mer bergère d'azur
Infinie

The sea
Confuses the summer sky's white sheep [meaning clouds]
With angels so pure.
The sea,
Shepherdess of blue infinity.


Voyez
Près des étangs
Ces grands roseaux mouillés
Voyez
Ces oiseaux blancs
Et ces maisons rouillées

Look!
Next to the ponds
Those tall wet reeds.
Look!
Those white birds
And those rusty houses [cabins of boats?]

La mer
Les a bercés
Le long des golfes clairs
Et d'une chanson d'amour
La mer
A bercé mon coeur pour la vie

The Sea
Has rocked them [like a baby]
Along the clear gulfs.
The Sea
Has rocked my heart for life.

There is a terrific discussion and analysis and comparison of the French and English lyrics here (http://www.bobbydarin.com/OceanCrossing.html).

Pointless post, someone posted the lyrics before I could get to it :)

Uh... random filler! Was suprised by Shannon's great voice, apparently speaks french much more impressively then I would have guessed. Either that or she just remembered the song phonetically, which is probably the case :)

How could the French woman write those words if she's been on the island for 16 years?? The movie is only a couple of years old.

Joyce, you misunderstood.

The French song was published and recorded in 1946.

There is a Robbie Williams cover of the song at the end of Finding Nemo, which is where SHANNON first heard it ("the fish movie"). By the way, this proves that the series is set in 2004.

It's likely that Danielle's lyrics were NOT from Finding Nemo. =)

I knew this song in French first, and then realized it was in english as well! hehe. too much french. anyways, I know it's in another movie (not Finding Nemo) in English version. can anyone jog my memory?


My Blue Heaven with Steve Martin

How could the French woman write those words if she's been on the island for 16 years?? The movie is only a couple of years old.


Because the song is older than that.

My Blue Heaven with Steve Martin


Aah, thank you!

Anyone thinks that maybe there are clues in the song to tells us more about the survivors and the island??

This is my theory:

Okay just my speculation, we all know what Boone and Locke *found* in the last episode (the metal ground thing).... and the fact that the song is "beyond the sea" (danielle's song... the one shannon was singing)... maybe its a hint, maybe danielle, being there for 16 years, actually knows something... that there actually something IS beyond that ocean.. maybe its not a real island you guys.. maybe some secret government island (it would explain the underground metal fortress thingie again that boone and locke found in the last episode where the flashlight hit the metal ground)

so yea, any thoughts?

Pointless post, someone posted the lyrics before I could get to it :)

Uh... random filler!* Was suprised by Shannon's great voice, apparently speaks french much more impressively then I would have guessed.* Either that or she just remembered the song phonetically, which is probably the case :)


Yep, I was really surprised too.
Now the thing is that it's always easier to sing in a foreign language (providing one can sing) than to speak it. Actually in the scene where she tries to decipher what's written, she says a few words in French and I didn't understand a word (I'm French). I'm really glad though I recognized La Mer, just by seeing a few words on the piece of paper (this song is hugely famous in France, it's a classic among the classics))

I don't speak a lick of Spanish, but I can sing in Spanish fairly well. I know people who can sing in Hebrew perfectly, but have absolutely no idea of what they're singing.

My Blue Heaven with Steve Martin


...and, uh... "Beyond the Sea" with Kevin Spacey. Out now in theaters near you.

...and, uh... "Beyond the Sea" with Kevin Spacey.* Out now in theaters near you.


YES! hehe. that too. thanks :D

Hello all newbie here ;D

some info on the song
Written by: Charles Trenet/Jack Lawrence
Singer: Bobby Darin
Recorded: December 24, 1958
Released: January 18, 1960

To ELTaino74

I'm wondering if the lyrics that go something like..."somewhere beyond the stars...beyond the moon" have some relevance to the island being that of another universe.

To me anyway, the last line speaks volumes.

Hiya KingMob! I'm French too! ;D
I agree with you, I had trouble understanding what Shannon said at first but I recognized the words "La mer a des reflets changeants" and I screamed "It's La Mer by Charles Trenet!!!"
Then the written words confirmed it.
And yeah I can sing (not that I sing well but that's not the point) in English or Spanish but when I talk these languages, it's harder to have the accent right. My psychology teacher told us it was because language is controled by the left brain and music by the right brain. *:o

Bit OT here. But am I the only one who can't get the song out of their heads now!

I was happy that I recongnized some of the words. (I got a D in French :o well...the second part of it. I got a B the first time!)

Duncan Sheik, who played Bobby Darin in an episode of "American Dreams", also does an excellent version.

Earendil, I'm planning on memorizing the entire thing to sing to my French teacher just to make my French teacher love me even more.

Off topic but I love Robbie Williams!!

Shannon singing this song was awesome. Her voice is beautiful. And I definately think that the words of it have something to do with their situation. Because nothing on this show is innocent!

Jessica

Does anyone have a link to a copy of this song in French? I just have the version from Nemo and the Bobby Darrin ones.

Thank you for your translating work, Andrea, and especially for the link that explains the song.

My opinion? This is the biggest Red Herring of all time - and literal too (a herring is a fish). It has nothing to do with the plot - but the producers are all sitting around laughing at us all for all these translations.

Now, here's my question du jour ...


Was this the song that Rousseau's music box was playing?

My opinion? This is the biggest Red Herring of all time - and literal too (a herring is a fish). It has nothing to do with the plot - but the producers are all sitting around laughing at us all for all these translations.


And to properly use Babelfish, you need to have a fish in your ear.

Yes, something is definitely fishy here. :)

There may not be anything to it, but it's still fun to speculate how the song could possibly help Sayid with that map.

Alane

Now, here's my question du jour ...


Was this the song that Rousseau's music box was playing?



I don't think so.
I can't remember it (the music box song), but if it would have been it (the song La Mer), I would have recognized it (the music box song).

oh i agree. it is fun to look up these translations - but its pointless. its the kinda think id do if i was a producer - mess with people. im kinda mean like that. by the way, did you see the part last night where jack punched kate?

see? my kind of joke.

I don't think so.
I can't remember it* (the music box song), but if it would have been it (the song La Mer), I would have recognized it (the music box song).




If you listen closely to the music box song...it does sound like an old, worn, warped version of the song La Mer. I would think after some years of wear and being used and listened to over and over that even after being fixed, the music box isn't going to sound pristeen

Off topic but I love Robbie Williams!!

Off topic but me too. ;D Is your username a reference to "Me and my Monkey"? ;)
It just happens that this song was sung by three of my favorites celebrities: Robbie, Billy Boyd and Ewan McGregor.

Listening to the music box of Danielle's right now, definitely not the same tune...

And just so everyone is clear here: La Mer and Beyond the Sea are different songs, not just the english/french translations. La Mer has seperate lyrics, therefore "Beyond the sea" and "beyond the moon" are kinda irrelevant

This episode was like a primer on what I dislike most about this show:

Much time is spent on people moving their stuff off the beach. How much stuff could they possibly have? That whole idea is ludicrous. Yet we saw crowds of people hauling apparently heavy loads all over the place. Whatever.

No organized search for Claire. No trail to follow, that's why? Hello! They are on an island, she can only be so far away, especially if 20 or 30 peeps are searching together. They can map the island at the same time.

But they can't do that, it's too dangerous out there, what with the boars and bears and giant creatures oh my! What giant creatures? What bears? What boars? I haven't seen so much as an overly aggressive parrot in ages!

Also, Kate is comfortable enough to wander far away(area not 'picked clean') to look for a few bits of fruit. Boone & Locke wander back and forth to their find(it's location, Hell it's existence, must remain a secret. Why? Why not?) deep in the jungle. Sayid wandered far enough to find the Frenchwoman(But of course her location must remain a secret. Why? Why not?) and back again without being eaten. Jack and Kate dig up a corpse(Kate needed Jack's help with that because, of course, he kept the burial site a secret. Why? Why not?) without fear of being disturbed by an animal attracted by the smell. So yeah, they are all so terrified of the dangers they can't bring themselves to look for Claire.

And at the end of it all, what's the payoff for us, the loyal audience? We get Kate looking at a toy plane. In other words, there is NO payoff. They don't even have the decency to have her look around furtively, then start to unscrew a wing or something on the plane because inside the plane is what she REALLY wanted - because the plane is her secret hiding place.

If Kate and Shannon didn't have that great habit of shedding their clothes(bless their hearts), this show would be dead in the water for me.

Yes, I'm >:(

Well gameoverman, the moving of the stuff off the beach was symbolic.Both of the tone of the show, and the people on the island. A mass exodus.

Noone looking for Claire is a bit odd, but I think they figure her for dead after finding charlie. His ominous words also didnt do much to help their thoughts either.

As for payoff, dont expect one for a while. The plane is supposed to have you wonder...all of that angast for a toy? And what is the story behind it? The plane wasnt what was important about the case, it was the story behind it. Like why was the suitcase below a two other people? Strange coincedence that the toy is of a plane? This show is a mystery, and in every great mystery the pay off takes place miles into the journey. And we are given bread crumbs to guess with on the way.

ANYWAYS, the question I have is why would the writers want to link Shannon with that song? Essentially linking her with Rousseau.

The mind boggles.

Well gameoverman, the moving of the stuff off the beach was symbolic.Both of the tone of the show, and the people on the island. A mass exodus.

Noone looking for Claire is a bit odd, but I think they figure her for dead after finding charlie. His ominous words also didnt do much to help their thoughts either.

As for payoff, dont expect one for a while. The plane is supposed to have you wonder...all of that angast for a toy? And what is the story behind it? The plane wasnt what was important about the case, it was the story behind it. Like why was the suitcase below a two other people? Strange coincedence that the toy is of a plane? This show is a mystery, and in every great mystery the pay off takes place miles into the journey. And we are given bread crumbs to guess with on the way

The mass exodus thing was covered by the caves vs beach thing wasn't it? I'd be appreciative of knowing what THIS new move added to that theme if anyone has ideas on that.

Claire given up for dead? I guess that's possible, but I thought there was a line in there about the trail being lost? Why not have a line about her being dead already instead? That would give us a better idea of what's going on. For instance, Jack was so gung ho about finding her, I find it hard to think he just signed off on her being dead already.

As to payoff, yes I'm okay with long story arcs, that's no problem to me. HOWEVER, each episode can, and should, have a small payoff of its own, to keep the interest up.

Sadly the story behind the toy did not tell us anything we didn't already know. She's an outlaw- check. She will risk sacrificing herself to save innocent people- check. She's more resourceful than anyone thinks-check. She lies to everyone- check. Her name is not Maggie- check. See what I mean?

The mass exodus thing was covered by the caves vs beach thing wasn't it?* I'd be appreciative of knowing what THIS new move added to that theme if anyone has ideas on that.

Claire given up for dead?* I guess that's possible, but I thought there was a line in there about the trail being lost?* Why not have a line about her being dead already instead? That would give us a better idea of what's going on. For instance, Jack was so gung ho about finding her, I find it hard to think he just signed off on her being dead already.

As to payoff, yes I'm okay with long story arcs, that's no problem to me.* HOWEVER, each episode can, and should, have a small payoff of its own, to keep the interest up.*

Sadly the story behind the toy did not tell us anything we didn't already know. She's an outlaw- check.* She will risk sacrificing herself to save innocent people- check.* She's more resourceful than anyone thinks-check.* She lies to everyone- check.* Her name is not Maggie- check. See what I mean?
The caves vs the beach was about choices. Faith/denial versus moving on and surviving. The move was about having to move forward, and being at the island's beck and call. The beach will be behind them, and the jungle and the unknown is their only choice.

This episode is supposed to be antipayoff. They build the tension and the suspense until it is resolved by..a toy? Which now brings us to the next level....who is kate? She is an enigma from her flashbacks.

As for the great "pffft she killed someone" belief, lets suppose there is more to this. Perhaps she blames herself for his death, but didnt actually kill him. Who she was brought his death. Taking things at face value on this show is fool hardy.

Just one of these gratitious thoughts... why should someone who is French write 'reflects' instead of 'reflets' as it should be?
I know. Means the same, but still...

Or is that an older form of the word?
My French classes were some years ago, so bear with me.

Thank you for your translating work, Andrea, and especially for the link that explains the song.*


I concur. Thank you Andrea for your terrific research. I thought I was going to be a googling fool this morning!




Uh... random filler!* Was suprised by Shannon's great voice, apparently speaks french much more impressively then I would have guessed.* Either that or she just remembered the song phonetically, which is probably the case :)


That, after the topless sunbathing on the beach, just made her that much hotter! Especially after we were all really starting to dislike her because of her attitude. We knew something had to change. Boone's words to her had a really deep impact on her this time.




Okay just my speculation, we all know what Boone and Locke *found* in the last episode (the metal ground thing).... and the fact that the song is "beyond* the sea" (danielle's song... the one shannon was singing)... maybe its a hint, maybe danielle, being there for 16 years, actually knows something... that there actually something IS beyond that ocean.. maybe its not a real island you guys.. maybe some secret government island (it would explain the underground metal fortress thingie again that boone and locke found in the last episode where the flashlight hit the metal ground)


You're right about one thing: Danielle does know about something in the ocean: she is apparently drawing power from it. Underground I expect we can find a lot of life, in a tunnel system. The voices Danielle, Jack, and Sayid all heard were echoes coming from within those tunnels. Locke will uncover it in the next episode, according to the preview.

Hey All !!!! So this is my first post in the LOST show blog,and any blog for that matter. I've been a devoted LOst viewer since the pilot!!! So first off, in the pilot when Boone was freaking out trying to save Rose, he stated that he was a lifeguard and didn't know what to do to save her? COME ON!!! We(lifeguards) get so much training for all kinds of situations and most of us are even EMT certified just incase!! Just had to vent!lololol Secondly, Did anyone else notice that Claires name was in the French song "La Mer" ??? "Qu'on voit danser le long des golfes CLAIRS" is repeated a few times in the song, is this a coincidence and i'm just dumb, or is there some more relevance???? TTFN as tigger says!!!!

Claire's name was in the song because Claire is French for "clear" or "bright".

Hi theG, yeah i know what the litteral meaning of her name is in french, but i think it was more of the writers trying to put clues in to trick us or something?? Also, i really hope they (abc,the producers,ect...) put Shannons version of the song out,or if somone can put it on like bearshare or another fileshare?? It was really beautiful !!!!

Earlier in this thread there was a discussion of other uses of La Mer and Beyond the Sea in movies and TV. One that wasn't mentioned was the X-files episode where Scully's Dad dies. Interestingly, she sees his spirit & is able to resolve past conflicts with him...

Earlier in this thread there was a discussion of other uses of La Mer and Beyond the Sea in movies and TV. One that wasn't mentioned was the X-files episode where Scully's Dad dies. Interestingly, she sees his spirit & is able to resolve past conflicts with him...


When Shannon started singing it that was the first thing to pop into my head. THE X-FILES!! Scully's dad.!!

I wonder if anyone else did that, think of the X-Files when they heard the song.

:D

Maggies voice is beautiful and now I'm dying to learn that song!

As for it being a clue to something...yes I believe it is...the writers have already told us that NOTHING in this show is just a prop or a coincidence....Everything means something

the song was beautiful, especially in french :)

i can't believe i'd never heard it before!

yes it clearly does mean something.. she used the lyrics at specific points on the map right? so surely the lyrics placed at specific points on the map are clues as to what is there.. or must be used to decipher something else?! ahh i don't know.. but there is definitely a reason for them. there is a deeper meaning there, beneath the surface of a beautiful french song. And is it just coincidence that shannon happens to know this particular french song? yes i realise she said it was because the irritating little boy used to watch that film over and over.. but maybe there is more to it then that?

Not that it matters much, but iBeyond the Sea is also the theme song to a current Carnival Cruise ship ad. Just heard it. Again. As if I wasn't already having problems getting it out of my head.

When Shannon started singing it that was the first thing to pop into my head. THE X-FILES!! Scully's dad.!!

I wonder if anyone else did that, think of the X-Files when they heard the song.

:D

Yeah, I did too. :D

If you go with the English translation the song is very sad. It sounds like Danielle is dreaming of being anywhere else "beyond the sea."
Even the French version shows an obsession with the sea that surrounds and traps her. The fact that she writes it several times is, to me, a sign of her mental breakdown.

I think it was a song or a lullabye the french woman, Danielle, sang to her son, Alex, when he was a baby......

or was he a baby when they came on the island? Does anyone know? did Danielle mention her son's age?

and I agree with the people who think theres a deeper meaning to this song. Could be....

Nope, we don't know Alex's age or gender.

well..than that makes things interesting..hmmm..I wonder...who is he/she? Some people think it's Ethan. Ethan could be Alex..she said he was "sick". He must have went crazy! I have no clue...but it's very interesting..... if we don't know his age or gender than it could be anyone....maybe one of the main characters..wouldn't that be scary and sad? But, I think not. hmmmmm.....

well..than that makes things interesting..hmmm..I wonder...who is he/she? Some people think it's Ethan. Ethan could be Alex..she said he was "sick". He must have went crazy! I have no clue...but it's very interesting..... if we don't know his age or gender than it could be anyone....maybe one of the main characters..wouldn't that be scary and sad? But, I think not. hmmmmm.....


There's a good deal of speculation about this on some other boards, (like the characters one) check them out :) There are some really interesting ideas floating around!

thanks..I'll do that! interesting....

lol...i can't stop saying interesting.....lol. :)

Not that it matters much, but iBeyond the Sea is also the theme song to a current Carnival Cruise ship ad. Just heard it. Again. As if I wasn't already having problems getting it out of my head.


I noticed that as well. And it is a very addicting song. I wonder if everyone on the island who heard Shannon singing the song were humming it afterward? :)

Alane

a little bit that I picked up from a link that was posted... part we've already read... the part that got me was the background on the American songwriter, Jack Lawrence... it seems Jack was forced to be a doctor by his mom, (sort of like our jack, although we don't know if it was his mom or dad that made him go into medicine. as he put it, "i didn't really have a choice")

The song "Beyond the Sea" has had several lives. The first one was in France, by French songwriter Charles Trenet, 13 years before Bobby Darin recorded it. And it was songwriter Jack Lawrence who morphed the French tune into an American hit.

Lawrence was born in Brooklyn in 1912, the son of Ukrainian Jews who emigrated to America at the turn of the century. Coerced by his mother to become a doctor, he agreed to get a degree in podiatry. But fortunately for him, he never had to practice. He wrote songs instead.


since the writers have said every name has a purpose, any chance this could be a connection?