This episode was such a let down.

Kate was after a stupid airplane toy? Come ON!

I want the object/thing Boone and Locke found... I wanted something in the case worth something... I wanted more of the OTHERS!

Apparently next week's episode is the one I want to see.

Was anyone else disappointed by this week's episode?

Well I was expecting it more to be a Claire/Others episode but I think it kicked *** anyhow. It's my new favorite ;D and I'm pretty sure the next episode will top this one.

I actually liked it. Not my favorite, but it delevered in terms of punching up some more mysteries. And I'm glad Kate actually killed someone, or shot someone -- I would have been disapointed if she was just some pure hearted innocent bystander.

And I agree, the plane part was weird- but personally, it was more a "wtf?! That's odd... I wonder what the heck that is going to mean!" For a moment, when I saw the plane, I was sure it was a model of the flight they had been on, and more psycic stuff would be involved.

One part I didn't like was Charlie's random crying. It was so sudden! Maybe I'm just an insensitive jerk.

Yeah I agree, it did seem to come from nowhere (the crying)

I didn't have time to be disappointed with all the plot twists. * * Yes, it would be nice to have some of the hanging plot *elements resolved - *but I'm good with not knowing yet. * * I feel like every show adds more clues to the big picture. * *

Lost is like a really good mystery novel that I savor *- *- * not really wanting it to get to the big reveals *because then it will be over. * * Ya know? * *;D


i do kind of feel bad that Claire has been left hanging out there somewhere captured. * Well, hopefully she's NOT hanging....

Yeah, it wasn't the BEST ep ever...but I LOVED the stuff between Sawyer and Kate!

BTW, the plane toy was definately not a model of the plane they were on--I'm not sure of the exact model, but it was some kind of plane used in the 1930's, possibly a military plane.

The one thing that really bugged me, though--what they hell were they doing digging people up when Claire is still missing??!! >:(

Yup, the plane in the envelope was NOT a commercial plane.

I also feel it was sort of a let down... some parts I really liked, but others, not so much. Aside from Charlie, no one even cares about Claire! who cares if there's no trail left?!?! They're on an island. The other ppl have to be somewhere. But I knew there was going to be no Claire, so oh well. Plus, Kate's story was so obvious. Of course she was working with the robbers! *sigh* and what's with the toy plane?? I am really starting to like Sawyer a lot better! and I liked the Shannon parts...

Charlie's random crying? *??? He had been buidling up to that the whole episode. I knew he was holding it back and it was coming. sooner or later. *It wasn't 'random'.


I thought it was a good episode though not as strong as some of the others.

I thought the comic relief this time came from Sawyer trying to break that case. :laugh:

Anyone up for a run through the jungle and a swim with Sawyer? ;D

I don't think Kate killed anyone. Maybe its just me but it looked like she was smiling in that last shot as she looked at the plane.

I'm with you in being actually very dissapointed with this weeks episode. It seemed like a whole lot of nothing. An hours worth backstory that didn't really give us much. It seemed very filler.

A toy plane?! I need more backstory on that for me to take it seriously.

Next week better give me more to chew on. As long as they give us more Hurley i'll be ok.

My roomate watched it with me for the first time. She thought it was pretty cool as there were dead bodies in the water and we both thought they looked pretty zombified. That was the highlight for me.

Caught a glemps of 52 on the wing so I think it's a B-52 Bommer.

Her Fathers?

Charlie's random crying? ??? He had been buidling up to that the whole episode. I knew he was holding it back and it was coming. sooner or later. It wasn't 'random'.


Oh, I know! I was expecting it, but when it actually happened... I don't know, it just didn't really strike me. Sort of took me out of the show for a moment, because it was just like LalalaNOOOOO. I think it was just an acting slip IMHO, and like I said I can be very cynical about such things.

Yeah, the comic relief from sawyer was awesome! He's a funny guy it turns out. :lol2: I'm starting to like him. And Shannon seemed a lot more pretty in this episode.

Ok, here is my first post, I believe Kate killed her father...a man she loved but hurt her somehow. She had to turn on him the same way Jack had to turn on HIS father. Sawyer cracked me up. I've loved his character from the beginning.

yeh...i was disappointed too. if i hadnt ever seen lost before and i happened to catch this episode as my first- lets just say that i probably wouldnt tune in next week.

the tease for next week's episode look pretty good though, and im definitely more than willing to give the writers the benefit of the doubt. im banking on the things that happened in this episode will mean more to viewers later on, so the writers decided to just go ahead and show it this week to "get it out of the way," so to speak.

This episode in one word---"lame." * And I am so diappointed to say that.
Is poor Charlie the only one who cares about Claire?
I also wondered if the toy plane might belong to Kate's father. But I WANT TO KNOW. Couldn't they throw us a bone? Glad to see that Jack is not trusting Kate so much anymore. Or maybe I really mean that he's taking her more serious (more dangerous?) Am I making any sense?
I did like the little exchange between Sawyer and Jack. I like that Sawyer told Jack not to believe her, and that you could tell that Jack didn't just blow the comment off.
And I did like the exchange between Sayid and Shannon. Was that really her singing at the end? Man, she has an awesome voice. I could begin to believe that something might happen between those two after her singing. (But I have always been a sucker for a great voice myself *;) )
I am willing to say that I was so starved for a new episode that I had my hopes too high.
And you never know, I can remember thinking when some episodes of the X-Files first aired that they were lame and went nowhere, then watching them later and thinking they were great and explained so much.
Here's to next week!

Terry

I think another reason many ppl feels it's a poor episode is because of the build-up all the re-runs created. I was waiting for a HUGE wicked awesome episode. and then this one came along and... puff. nothing.
next week does look stellar.

Ok, here is my first post, I believe Kate killed her father...a man she loved but hurt her somehow. She had to turn on him the same way Jack had to turn on HIS father. Sawyer cracked me up. I've loved his character from the beginning.


I don't think it was her father cause she said it belonged to THE man she loved not A man. *It's like the "the" from "the one", you know when you find "the one". *So unless she has some (even more) twisted story I don't think it's her dad.

Sawyer cracked me up. I've loved his character from the beginning.


Yeah, Sawyer was definately the highlight of this episode. What was up with Jack threatening to take away Sawyer's meds for a suitcase? First he gets tortured about the asthma meds (understandable under the circumstances), but to do it over a case just because Kate wants it? Lame.

re: Charlie's crying. *I didn't find it unexpected. *But if you were feeling it was acted oddly, you might be interested to know that Dom speaks, on the ROTK cast commentary, about not being able to cry effectively. *He says his face screws up all funny. *He was good natured about it.

At least Charlie doesn't appear to be 'infected' wich was a theory that was going around a few weeks ago.

Guys there was so much action in this episode, go back and rewatch the old ones if you can and see if they can compare to this one. *I think it may be disappointing to most of you because we had to wait so long for a new episode that the anticipation just got much bigger than it would normally. *Plus I think we were all expecting the story to go in the Claire direction but this wasn't so that was probably even more of a letdown but if you take this episode as it is, I think it's great.

. im banking on the things that happened in this episode will mean more to viewers later on, so the writers decided to just go ahead and show it this week to "get it out of the way," so to speak.


Agreed.

I enjoyed the interactions of Sawyer and Kate and Sawyer and Jack, but the backstory was part cliche and part tease. I mean, who gets involved in a bank robbery just to be able to get into a safe deposit box containing a toy airplane? I'm sure there's more to the story, but we'll probably have to wait three months to find out what it is.

I'm getting a little miffed just being strung along with no answers forthcoming.

Cardie

This episode somehow or other made me like both Kate and Jack a lot less. It seemed like she was perfectly capable of killing everyone on the island if she were backed into a corner ala Danielle. On the other hand, Sawyer with the case was definitely a highlight, I sort of began to like Shannon a little bit. Maybe they are introducing a little humanity there.

I wasn't disappointed. It made Kate more interesting to know she wasn't some poor little misunderstood innocent. She took part in a bank robbery. She killed a man before that(though we don't know why, it could have been self-defense). AND she lied to Jack in this episode after he said he'd help her, not nice.

I also liked the interaction between Jack and Sawyer. I think they've come to a sort of...understanding. And they both know Kate isn't to be trusted and they know that they know Kate isn't to be trusted.

Sawyer was entertaining.

Jack was tough and smart.

Sayid and Shannon were good together. I think they'll make an interesting pairing if they decide to go that route.

Charlie and Rose had each other to lean on.

We saw VINCENT!! Yay! :D I love me some Vincent.

Boone was creepy and it looks like he'll be getting creepier.

Sawyer is one funny dude.

Not disappointed in Jack this time - he kind of grew a pair ;D in this ep with his and Kate's interaction. It was great that he didn't let her get away with lying about the suitcase and palming the key. And he didn't just let her have the key. But at the same time, he was disappointed in her lying and not being forthcoming with the importance of the little plane.

I was not disappointed. I loved this episode. And the airplane may be more significant in the future, so we don't really know why she wanted it so badly. I thought it was great!

Jessica

Not disappointed in Jack this time - he kind of grew a pair ;D in this ep


So true :lol2: 'Bout time, IMO.

anyone else notice the safety deposit box number was the same as the flight number of the plane they were all on, #815. While this week was a slow episode, next weeks looks to be the best one yet. ;D

I was also a little disappointed while watching this episode, but I think that it's mostly due to the huge build-up from having to wait so long for it. After thinking about it for a while, I realized that it actually had some very good (and intriguing) moments:

*Sawyer and the brief case was really fun to watch. It's interesting how they turned the 'bad guy' into the comic relief.

*Jack is definitely intriguing me this week. It seems like he's wizening up about Kate and learning how to deal with Sawyer. What troubles me is that he's decided that blackmail and threats of extreme pain are the best way to deal with him. I'm hoping that the whole 'withholding the medication' bit was just a very well calculated move, but I'm fairly sure that he would have followed through if Sawyer hadn't give the briefcase to him. This will definitely be something that I'll be pondering for the next week!

Did anyone else notice the bruise next to his left eye? It makes me think that his fight with Ethan was real after all.

*Kate is a total enigma to me right now, which I'm thinking is what the writers wanted. I found it interesting that a little while ago she had three guys going after her (Jack, Sawyer and Sayid) and the trust of everyone on the island, and now she's alone and the two men she was closest to don't trust her at all.

*It looks like Locke is going to have to share his spot as the island 'freak' (I can't think of a better word right now) with Boone for a while. Those two are up to something and I really want to know what it is!

Anyway, one thing's for sure: this episode has given us a lot to think about and I'm definitely looking forward to next week!

I didn't think it was a slow epi. *Personally, I think it gave viewers a lot to think about in terms of theories. *Remember, not everything is what it originally seems on this show. *So the toy plane is probably more then just a toy.

As for Sawyer, in the part where he's slamming the case on the ground, did that remind anyone of footage from various nature programs of chimps trying to breack open coconuts? *:lol2:

Yeah i have to say i was a little let down by the ep.. i guess i was expecting a backstory with a little more.. i dunno.. STORY... to it.?!? But they can't give away everything at once..
still.. all that for a lil tiny plane... huh>>???

Tygrus, it reminded me of the gorilla with the samsonite suitcase commercials.

I don't think it was her father cause she said it belonged to THE man she loved not A man. It's like the "the" from "the one", you know when you find "the one". So unless she has some (even more) twisted story I don't think it's her dad

I didn't take it that way. Jack asked her "who" it belonged to and she replied "the man I loved", pointing out the owership of the item. I saw it as just a reply to Jack.

anyone else notice the safety deposit box number was the same as the flight number of the plane they were all on, #815.* *While this week was a slow episode, next weeks looks to be the best one yet. ;D


Really, no, I'll have to confess I didn't notice that. I wonder if it's a false clue for the audience or if it really will mean something?

Alane

OK, my first post* :)

I'm going to give this episode an OK.* Not the greatest, but not bad.* I think there was a lot of expectation after weeks of reruns, and maybe this episode didn't pack quite the punch we hoped for.

Sawyer, as always, is the highlight for me.* I just love this character.* He's not good, he's not bad.* He's gray, and nothing is better then a well written gray character played by an actor that knows how to hit his lines perfectly.* It also helps that he has serious chemistry with his co-stars.* Kate, Jack, Sayid, they all spark off of him.*

I was disappointed in Kate's manipulations, but on the other hand, I also thought it made her more interesting.* She was turning into a bit of a Superwoman there for a while.* She's also a gray character, and with any luck will stay that way.* She & Jack are never going to be a good pairing.* He'll never understand a slippery, secretive damaged person like her.

Jack?* I really didn't like him threatening to withhold meds b/c Kate wanted her case back.* Maybe if they had played up the gun angle, but he never looked like he bought that story.* Still, Sawyer seemed to feeling agreeable, and didn't push it as far as he might've earlier in the show.*

Sayid and Shannon was interesting.* Nice to see her character growing.

Nice bit with Charlie and Rose.* But it was definitely weird how no one seemed to be that concerned over Claire.* That didn't ring true, and was the biggest flaw in the episode.

Short contributions from Hurley and Michael, but still fun.

Best parts of the episode?* The whole beginning with Sawyer and Kate, flirting, swimming.* And Sawyer trying to open the suitcase
Worst parts of the episode?* Jack threatening to withhold medicine.* Lack of worry or concern over Claire.

;D

OK, my first post :)

I'm going to give this episode an OK. Not the greatest, but not bad. I think there was a lot of expectation after weeks of reruns, and maybe this episode didn't pack quite the punch we hoped for.

Sawyer, as always, is the highlight for me. I just love this character. He's not good, he's not bad. He's gray, and nothing is better then a well written gray character played by an actor that knows how to hit his lines perfectly. It also helps that he has serious chemistry with his co-stars. Kate, Jack, Sayid, they all spark off of him.

I was disappointed in Kate's manipulations, but on the other hand, I also thought it made her more interesting. She was turning into a bit of a Superwoman there for a while. She's also a gray character, and with any luck will stay that way. She & Jack are never going to be a good pairing. He'll never understand a slippery, secretive damaged person like her.

Jack? I really didn't like him threatening to withhold meds b/c Kate wanted her case back. Maybe if they had played up the gun angle, but he never looked like he bought that story. Still, Sawyer seemed to feeling agreeable, and didn't push it as far as he might've earlier in the show.

Sayid and Shannon was interesting. Nice to see her character growing.

Nice bit with Charlie and Rose. But it was definitely weird how no one seemed to be that concerned over Claire. That didn't ring true, and was the biggest flaw in the episode.

Short contributions from Hurley and Michael, but still fun.

Best parts of the episode? The whole beginning with Sawyer and Kate, flirting, swimming. And Sawyer trying to open the suitcase
Worst parts of the episode? Jack threatening to withhold medicine. Lack of worry or concern over Claire.

;D

For your first post, you did a dang good job. Agreed with everything. Couldn't have said it better.

While Kate's primary purpose was getting the airplane, I think Jack's primary purpose was making sure Sawyer did not have control of the weapons. And while I'm not sure I would with hold important medication from someone, I might threaten to..... And I consider myself a good and moral person.
And I don't think Jack necessarily wants the guns, he's just a bit (understatement of the year) of a control freak and doesn't trust anyone else with them.

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Jack?* I really didn't like him threatening to withhold meds b/c Kate wanted her case back.* Maybe if they had played up the gun angle, but he never looked like he bought that story.* Still, Sawyer seemed to feeling agreeable, and didn't push it as far as he might've earlier in the show.*

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Nice bit with Charlie and Rose.* But it was definitely weird how no one seemed to be that concerned over Claire.* That didn't ring true, and was the biggest flaw in the episode.

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Re: Jack threatening to withhold meds just to get the case for Kate. Yes, Jack suspected that Kate wanted the case for more than just the guns, HOWEVER, it was probably more important to him to make sure that Sawyer did not get the guns. I believe Jack would consider Sawyer very dangerous if he were armed.

Re: I think that we were expected to believe a couple of days went by and that some additional searching was done, HOWEVER, everyone had a more immediate concern which was salvaging what they could from the tide and moving their camp further up the beach. This need was a bit more urgent than continuing a search without any trail to follow.

Re: Those who thought Charlie's crying was "random". Have you never tried to hold your emotions over something in only to have it come flooding out of you with no warning? Well, maybe you haven't experienced that but I'm sure many people have and I thought it was very real, very human and very well done on Dom's part. As for Dom worrying that he can't do crying well because his face screws up funny; most real people do not look pretty when they cry. Faces screw up funny, noses get red and run, mouths get all wonky ... only soap actresses and beautiful movie stars can cry without looking funny because it's not real. Dom did a fine job

and I'm not just saying that because I am a PHF.

I am going to disagree with all this disappointment stuff. I am quite happy with this episode. My three favorite things were on TV today: LOST, Finding Nemo, and GOD.
I am really ecstatic that the writers put a prayer in the story and had Rose bring Charlie back to God. ;D THANKS GUYS! ;D I cried tears of joy; it's rare, atleast for me, when I watch a show and there is even a hinting at God. (I refuse to watch 7th Heaven if that's what you are thinking.)
I knew that when Shannon said "fishy computer movie" she was talking about Nemo. I've had babysitting experiences and I know most of the movie by heart. Even my nickname is Dory! Lol!
And, obviously, I love LOST. *:lol2:
I've had an experience like charlie's, but not so severe. It's all the stress build-up, and it's gotta vent sometime. I understood him completely. ok, I am a bit dissappointed that it wasn't claire-centric this time around and we're all hanging by a thread waiting to see what happens with her. but there are more than fourty survivors that need to be covered. plus the suspense is fun.

I was pretty disappointed too, but I'm choosing to believe that in a couple weeks or so, this will be the episode we're all talking about, the one that gave us all the amazing clues to the HUGE reveal in that week's amazing episode. I must believe this, or I would not be able to go on watching the show. :lol2:

A few things did seem off though. Like was Kate really that concerned that she'd have to explain what the airplane meant to her that she couldn't just say what it was and make getting it alot easier?

And Sawyer? The horde king of the island just willing to let that shiny case go. That he would give in to Jack and believe he had balls for once all just seemed out of character. Despite what Jack said about letting his arm rot off, he had no reason to believe him, because even when he was loathe to, Jack has always come to Sawyer's medical aid. It just seemed odd and unlikely.

I don't think it was so much that Sawyer believed Jack would actually let his arm rot off as that he respected Jack's adaptability to play Sawyer's own game in this instance. Jack played it well enough so that reasonably Sawyer could have some doubt about whether or not he'd let his arm rot off. Logically Sawyer may know, "ah, Jack would give in before my arm fell off" but I think he respected the way Jack played it with him. There are some people who respond positively to that sort of thing.

I LOVED this episode fo rmany reasons.

Kate and Sawyer's first scene where she threw the rock and she asked him about protecting her from what, "Southern perverts" was classic.:) I also liked that she LAUGHED in that scene prior to the waterfall. We do not EVER get to see her laugh. The laughing and playfulness was great.
Sawyer was hot and entertaining at the same time. I love every scene he is in for more than simply the visuals.

Sayid has the sexiest bedroom eyes. :-*

Charlie made me cry TWICE tonight - poor guy. :( ((HUGS)) to Charlie!

OMGsh! I loved when Rose prayed to the Heavenly Father on National TV and there was nothing that anyone could do about it (i.e. ACLU) - I loved it! :D

Shannon has a beautiful voice. :)

Ah yes, the bane of all popular shows, expectations get so high they can't possibly live up to them. Wait til more of the secrets are revealed and its starts spoiling everyones pet theories, then the backlash will really kick in.

I'm sad to say it, but I too found myself disappointed in the majority of this episode. Especially what were supposed to be the major plot points. It was the shorter side scenes away from the major story line in this episode that I enjoyed most. The rest rather annoyed me. I didn't hate it, it wasn't bad, and maybe future episodes will tie events in this episode together leaving me with my mouth agape finally coming to say "ohhh yeeeeah, now it all makes sense!" But for right now I'm feeling let down and annoyed. And I'm not one of those people looking for instant gratification. I'm a VERY picky TV watcher and I don't have a lot of spare time to watch TV, so if something sucks, I'm gone. I don't watch anything before Lost or after. In fact, right now, Lost may be the ONLY thing that I watch... and it's because of the detailed drawn out plot lines, interesting characters, and AWESOME actors. I am loyal. Three more episodes like this and it might lose me, but I hope to be in it for the long run.

I was going to list out what I thought was good and what I thought was bad, but all of you have done a great job and I agree with most of what everyone else is disappointed with (and feeling like this episode was just filler and/or was a weak episode, depending upon your definition), so I will quickly summarize since I've gone on for so long as it is.

The Good:

PLAYFUL Kate/Sawyer
Snarky Shannon/Boone
All of Sayid/Shannon
Bonding Charlie/Rose
Bonding Jack/Sawyer
Sagely Sun the Herbalist (get it? sage? ha!)
Sawyer's watery crack (my one allotted fan girl comment -- thank you Josh!)
Previews for next week -- LOL

The Bad:

NO CLAIRE??? ('nuff said)
A plastic toy airplane??? (sigh, 'nuff said)
Kate flip flopping and lying (and it making no sense whatsoever)
The whole Kate back story leaving us with more questions, NO answers, and a collective "WTF?" asked across the country

There. I vented. I feel better.

~Aimee

OMGsh! I loved when Rose prayed to the Heavenly Father on National TV and there was nothing that anyone could do about it (i.e. ACLU) - I loved it! :D


??? Why would anyone want to do anything about it?

Plus, I thought that was nicely balanced by Rose's line about there being a fine line between faith and denial, leaving it up to the viewer to decide what side of the line she was on, especially given the look on Charlie's face when she said that.

I am in denial myself about there being nothing more in Kate's "Personal Effects" envelope than a toy airplane. No comb, lipstick, wallet, tissues, pens, jewelry...just that one thing?

I am in denial myself about there being nothing more in Kate's "Personal Effects" envelope than a toy airplane. No comb, lipstick, wallet, tissues, pens, jewelry...just that one thing?


Personal effects would be stuff she was carrying on her person when busted right? Maybe a bag of stuff like(comb, lipstick) that was left behind in the truck by the Marshal when he captured her. As long as she had the toy with her, would she care about anything else?

Also, we can figure anything obviously valuable and/or important would be dealt with separately. For instance, if she was busted with a million dollars in jewels, I don't think they'd necessarily send that back with her. They'd have to verify what it is, then do whatever process for evidence the law requires. Bottomline, she'd get processed and transported, and the evidence would go through it's own route in it's own time. That's how I see it anyhow.

The toy plane looks innocent enough to throw into an envelope and send with the Marshal though. It could be hollow and have something in it.

I really was dissapointed in this episode. They had better resolve Kate's issues later or this episode was almost pointless.

One part I didn't like was Charlie's random crying.* It was so sudden!* Maybe I'm just an insensitive jerk.


That's funny, because my thought at that moment was, "Look! Dom is a better crier than Evie!" I'm sorry but Kate's crying wasn't very convincing...no tears????

I have a law enforcement background.

Personal effects are...jewelry, watch, wallet, license, keys, passport.........not toys.

I don't think it was so much that Sawyer believed Jack would actually let his arm rot off as that he respected Jack's adaptability to play Sawyer's own game in this instance.* Jack played it well enough so that reasonably Sawyer could have some doubt about whether or not he'd let his arm rot off.* Logically Sawyer may know, "ah, Jack would give in before my arm fell off" but I think he respected the way Jack played it with him.* There are some people who respond positively to that sort of thing.*


Good point!

Ok, here is my first post, I believe Kate killed her father...a man she loved but hurt her somehow.* She had to turn on him the same way Jack had to turn on HIS father.* Sawyer cracked me up.* I've loved his character from the beginning.


That's interesting...except it'd be weird if she referred to her father as "the man I loved"...that distinctly implies a romantic relationship to me. but who knows...

That's funny, because my thought at that moment was, "Look!* Dom is a better crier than Evie!"* I'm sorry but Kate's crying wasn't very convincing...no tears????


Probably because Dom is a better ACTOR than Evangeline. However I will be generous and admit Dom has been at this for years and it is her first speaking role.