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srt4jeeps
01-05-2005, 10:14 PM
So in the Safety deposit box of 815 is a toy airplane! Very interesting the Deposit box number is the same as there Flight # or am I mistaken?
My guess is the someone that she loved/killed was a family member - just a guess.

ELTaino74
01-05-2005, 10:18 PM
Wasn't the time of the flight 8:15 from Raised By Another, when the Claire when to get her future told?

diabolo237
01-05-2005, 10:21 PM
I went back and muted it, I am pretty sure it was 850, not 815

ELTaino74
01-05-2005, 10:26 PM
Did anyone see the number on the airplane??? on the right wing??

ELTaino74
01-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Nevermind i answered my own question...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=129&pos=13

Anyone thinks it could mean something??

CharliesFate4
01-05-2005, 10:33 PM
I really don't know it could mean something. I wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't...from what I have seen and talked about with a friend everything is kinda connected in a way. But I really don't know. It would be interesting if it does have a meaning.

diabolo237
01-05-2005, 10:35 PM
Anyone know what type of plane that is? It looks like an old commercial airliner, similar to a Viscount, but i am no expert

srt4jeeps
01-05-2005, 10:37 PM
Flight # was 815 double checked on another board and I just re-watch the scene, to me it definitely sounds like 815.
Not sure what this is suppose to mean.

Dennis
01-05-2005, 10:40 PM
Im surprised know one is bringing this up: do you think Kate somehow knew the plane would crash? (hence the tiny plane in that deposit box?)

diabolo237
01-05-2005, 10:42 PM
Flight # was 815 double checked on another board and I just re-watch the scene, to me it definitely sounds like 815.
Not sure what this is suppose to mean.



then the telepromter was wrong, cause it said 850

EllaStarr
01-05-2005, 10:44 PM
when I first saw the plane, I'm embarrassed to say I thought it was Flight 815 and Kate knew (or even planned) the whole crash by planting something on the plane. crazy, I know. I was like, wait, she's a terrorist!? but then I saw the plane looked nothing like the other... :-[

ELTaino74
01-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Im surprised know one is bringing this up:* do you think Kate somehow knew the plane would crash? (hence the tiny plane in that deposit box?)


I don't think so...theres no clues indicating that she had a presense that, that could happen

srt4jeeps
01-05-2005, 10:46 PM
She wouldn't have known she was going to be on Flight 815 since she hadn't been arrested yet. *It's probably something just to play with us.

Soupysayles
01-05-2005, 10:54 PM
The close captioning says 850, but its sounds like she says.......well, she doesn't say it very clear at all, sounds closer to 815 than 850 when she says it........I can't believe its by accident, the producers did it that way just to drive us nuts. Thats low mna, LOW.

diabolo237
01-05-2005, 10:57 PM
The close captioning says 850, but its sounds like she says.......well, she doesn't say it very clear at all, sounds closer to 815 than* 850 when she says it........I can't believe its by accident, the producers did it that way just to drive us nuts.* Thats low mna, LOW.


Thats what I saw too! I wasnt sure what it sounded like, thats why i checked. Who knows

Soulhunter
01-05-2005, 11:11 PM
another little detail each prop only had one blade of three to be on the toy, doubt it's significant but a detail none the less.

Soupysayles
01-05-2005, 11:19 PM
Thats what I saw too! I wasnt sure what it sounded like, thats why i checked. Who knows


well, the scene where she pulls the box out of the wall, you can see the numbers of the surrounding boxes, if someone can get a screen capture of it and blow it up we can probably figure it out* that way, if the numbers can be made out. Cuase if it is box815, thats too big a coincidence to ignore.

waywardwanderer
01-06-2005, 12:15 AM
I'm telling you, I'm not crazy, and neither are you Ella. Whens he first pulled it out in front of Jack, it was a different plane from the one she had while she was sitting next to the fire. Because when I first saw the plane, I thought that same thing. Like 'oh please don't tell me she had something to do with the plane crashing!' and then when they showed her with the fighter plane I thought maybe I imagined it!! But now I think there's something important there.

that1spunkygirl
01-06-2005, 01:39 AM
The fighter plane, is that the type that her dad would've flown on in the army rangers? I was thinking maybe it had something to do with her dad. Like maybe she killed him accidentally. And I know somewhere else on this board, they mentioned that the base he was from was in charge of the pacific rim, and something about flying... sorry, not very clear i know...

flora
01-06-2005, 12:55 PM
yeah...I was wondering if "the man I loved; the man I killed" wasn't her father...but don't know without further information.

As for what she got out of the safe deposit box- it looked like a flat envelope to me! If the plane was in there, I didn't see a bulge. But then, I could just be smoking crack again...could someone go back and watch that again to confirm if there was a bulge in the envelope or not?

HookedonLost
01-06-2005, 01:25 PM
Envelope looked flat with no bulge to me as well.........

Islander
01-06-2005, 01:32 PM
I'm telling you, I'm not crazy, and neither are you Ella. Whens he first pulled it out in front of Jack, it was a different plane from the one she had while she was sitting next to the fire. Because when I first saw the plane, I thought that same thing. Like 'oh please don't tell me she had something to do with the plane crashing!' and then when they showed her with the fighter plane I thought maybe I imagined it!! But now I think there's something important there.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! I saw it too! The first plane looks like a passenger jet, like Oceanic. The one she's holding infront of the fire looks like a WWII fighter plane! YES! I'm not crazy!

waywardwanderer
01-06-2005, 01:46 PM
SEE! I'm amazed that more people didn't catch it! I freaked out and started yelling at the tv, lol. I was like, that's not the same plane!! The hell??!!!??!!

1voice
01-06-2005, 01:47 PM
I didn't notice it...but I agree with whoever said that they thought the man she killed was a realitive, specifically her father. That's what I thought at first, too. I came up with this theory:

Kate works for the government as some sort of spy or military expert (I just can't see her as the bad guy!). She gets married to someone who is probably a pilot. Why a pilot? I dunno, who else has She messes with the wrong bad guys and they come after her husband and kills him (or if you think they way I did before it could be her father or another family member [for some odd reason I was thinking maybe her son??], except that she never married anyone etc). She blames herself *"IT BELONGS TO THE MAN I LOVED! THE MAN I KILLED!" etc.


And whoever said that they ALMOST thought that Kate had brought to plane down....OMG! I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! But then again I decided that Kate couldn't be all evil long ago... *

Trueogre
01-06-2005, 01:52 PM
The number of the box sounds like 850.

But when you look at where she's pulling the box from two rows to the right there is a box number 701, the one to the left of that one is 6XX. *The smaller diposits on the top have the numbers 6XX and 7XX on them.

Therefore how can her box be 850? *

Probably just a angle shot and it was easier to shoot from that level, so maybe the number 850 is significant, else they would have used the box number on the actual box in the safe.

katanna
01-06-2005, 02:06 PM
well, the scene where she pulls the box out of the wall, you can see the numbers of the surrounding boxes, if someone can get a screen capture of it and blow it up we can probably figure it out* that way, if the numbers can be made out. Cuase if it is box815, thats too big a coincidence to ignore.


You ask, and ye shall receive!

http://s95220742.onlinehome.us/Fun/lost161.jpg

The box below it...* *looks like 816 to me...

http://s95220742.onlinehome.us/Fun/lost162.jpg

Close up with the colors changed...
A little muddy, but still 816.

Matthew

PS: I tried to post the pictures in here, but [image] didn't work.* If you know of a way to do it, PM me!

desertislandgirl
01-06-2005, 02:09 PM
So do we think that she killed the man she loved? Or was the "The man I loved" a lie and "the man I killed" was the truth?
And why did she go to such trouble to open the box herself without jack? (I mean trying to keep the key from him). The plane didn't reveal anything about her. She could have just been like "oh, can I have my little plane?" I didn't get that.

ssh
01-06-2005, 02:45 PM
So do we think that she killed the man she loved? Or was the "The man I loved" a lie and "the man I killed" was the truth?


I think she was talking about the same person, and I like the idea that it was her dad. Maybe he worked for the CIA, FBI, etc., she followed his path and became an undercover agent, and then was ordered to kill him.


And why did she go to such trouble to open the box herself without jack? (I mean trying to keep the key from him). The plane didn't reveal anything about her. She could have just been like "oh, can I have my little plane?" I didn't get that.


Amen! She goes to so much trouble to lie about such tiny, seemingly insignificant stuff...

This probably belongs in the "enough Kate already" thread, but I'm going to be VERY disappointed if she doesn't have some pivotal, secret role in the island mystery. Because she's getting rather tiresome.

iwonder
01-06-2005, 03:30 PM
the envelope is the same envelope, same/similar bulge it was theh first thing i looked at on the commercial break with my dvr... unfortunately there's not a screen grab up of it in the safety dep. box yet at www.lost-media.com

but to show that the plane is the same plane
http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x12-thecase/normal_thecase825.jpg opening the envie
http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x12-thecase/normal_thecase930.jpg by the campfire

i think either the number on the wing 5025 or 2502/something inside the plane is why she did the robbery, or for something else in the envelope that she hid from jack's view/the camera's

i can only imagine that she also expected additional things to be in the case like a case file against her, otherwise why try to hide the key from jack when they dug up the "marshal's" body

i theorized in another thread that the marshal could have been in on it with her but felt betrayed when she ran and she ran either because she got what she was looking for in that envie or because she didn't and felt like the others involved would be after her for having nothing to show for the heist... we know that in the plane he told her she could tell her story to the others and maybe they'd believe her "i know i did"

oceanicflight815
01-07-2005, 03:56 PM
Thank you so much Matthew (katanna) for those pics!* I knew it sounded like 815 to me when she said it, but the closed captions said 850.* Now we have proof though that it is 815 :)

bport132
01-07-2005, 04:13 PM
Unless the safe deposit box was really hers, and the reason she didn't just claim it in the normal way was that she knew the police would be watching for her to try and open it and retrieve the contents.

banksy
01-07-2005, 04:19 PM
The number on the plane was definitely 4 digits. the last three digits were 025

the first digit was harder to see, but was either 5 or 6

so either 5025, or 6025

anyone see the significance in either of these numbers?

LATE
01-07-2005, 05:57 PM
So... with the planes. The first one does look like a commerical plane, and the second one is clearly some older bomber of some kind. They look to be the same size, etc. though and I can't really see any clear differences... but that is so weird. They look different to me. Maybe just another case of the elephant trunk, producers playing with our heads?

Okay, trying to find a meaning behind the numbers. Probably all mean nothing, but nonetheless.

Jeremiah 50:25

The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans.

:-\

banksy
01-07-2005, 06:45 PM
So... with the planes. The first one does look like a commerical plane, and the second one is clearly some older bomber of some kind. They look to be the same size, etc. though and I can't really see any clear differences... but that is so weird. They look different to me. Maybe just another case of the elephant trunk, producers playing with our heads?

Okay, trying to find a meaning behind the numbers. Probably all mean nothing, but nonetheless.

Jeremiah 50:25

The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans.

:-\


i have rewatched the two scenes with the planes. and paused them and studied hard. I am convinced they are actually the same plane. and they look like big people carrier planes. one engine on each wing... a blue stripe running along the body of the plane. and the number 6025 (possibly 5025) on the right wing.

MaggieRyan
01-07-2005, 09:17 PM
Are we ABSOLUTELY sure the item in the envelope that was in the safety deposit box is the same item that was in the envelope in the Halliburton case?

Soupysayles
01-07-2005, 09:42 PM
Are we ABSOLUTELY sure the item in the envelope that was in the safety deposit box is the same item that was in the envelope in the Halliburton case?


Maybe there was a plane ticket to Australia in the box.......

WhiteSapphire
01-07-2005, 09:48 PM
Maybe there was a plane ticket to Australia in the box.......


I like that idea.

And that would go along with my current pet theory--that the safety deposit box was just another clue in some crazy scavenger hunt. I don't think Kate knew at all what she was going to find in the box. I think someone who knew her very well was taunting her, witholding some information or something. And the toy plane and the plane ticket could have been the next step in the scavenger hunt. (And the key was the previous clue)

I know this is a pretty random theory, but it's mostly based on the fact that I don't think Kate knew what she was going to find in the box. And it helps explain how (and why) she got to Austrailia.

Nanse
01-07-2005, 09:49 PM
Are we ABSOLUTELY sure the item in the envelope that was in the safety deposit box is the same item that was in the envelope in the Halliburton case?


Well, being LOST, we really can't be absolutely certain about almost anything, however, to me there is a strong indication that the plane was in the Safety deposit box. *I know Kate is a great actress (liar), however, if the plane wasn't what she was expecting, after all that trouble I think she would have seemed more disappointed or shocked or something. *Of course that doesn't mean there wasn't another small item in the envelope that she palmed or something. * IMHO, though.

Soupysayles
01-07-2005, 10:10 PM
I like that idea.

And that would go along with my current pet theory--that the safety deposit box was just another clue in some crazy scavenger hunt. I don't think Kate knew at all what she was going to find in the box. I think someone who knew her very well was taunting her, witholding some information or something. And the toy plane and the plane ticket could have been the next step in the scavenger hunt. (And the key was the previous clue)

I know this is a pretty random theory, but it's mostly based on the fact that I don't think Kate knew what she was going to find in the box. And it helps explain how (and why) she got to Austrailia.


Not bad though........she's following a trail to find someone, what was in the safety deposit box was supposed to be a clue to finding them.

diabolo237
01-07-2005, 10:51 PM
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!* I saw it too!* The first plane looks like a passenger jet, like Oceanic.* The one she's holding infront of the fire looks like a WWII fighter plane!* YES!* I'm not crazy!


I went back and looked. same plane, both with the same markings

jwpage
01-07-2005, 11:31 PM
Anyone know what type of plane that is? It looks like an old commercial airliner, similar to a Viscount, but i am no expert


Looks like a DC-3, built in 1935 about 15,000 of them were made.

tanstaafl
01-07-2005, 11:36 PM
Definitely a DC3

http://www.unitedairlines.de/images/press/72dpi/dc3.jpg

iwonder
01-08-2005, 04:06 AM
the number on the wing is either 5025 or 2502 depending on which way is rightside up (the 2 and the 5 in that font are id to the other but upside down)

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=24054&fullsize=1

i don't believe it's the same as the one in claire's room, the wings looked different to me.... perhaps reviewing most of the backstories, by the end of the season we'll see a small plane in all of them? it wouldn't be far fetched since writers often like to place items in a scene to foreshadow things... we're just not getting the scenes in chronological order :)

Chev_Hoovisan
01-08-2005, 08:51 AM
It's definitely 5025. A 5 upside-down is not a 2-- it is still a 5 (or an S).

jwpage
01-08-2005, 03:46 PM
So now we know it's a DC-3 call number 5025 built after 1935.

What does it mean? Is it a toy from her childhood, that her father gave her?

Is it full of jewels, and key to another safety deposit box?

Who knows. Wait until next week when MORE questions will come up! :D :D :D

hercircumstance
01-08-2005, 04:12 PM
Just a thought.

http://www.ameliaearhart.com/

Her plane had numbers written on it. And she vanished in 1937. Just some thoughts. I don't think it is her plane, but what if the little plane Kate picked up has something to do with a real plane of the same number and specs... hrm. :) I am not saying there is a direct connection, but maybe a connection more on themes than anything.

LuvMySayid
01-08-2005, 04:20 PM
The toy plane is not what was originally in the envelope in the safety deposit box. It is a red herring. Sawyer put it there to show Kate he has taken out whateveritwas and not let Jack know it. See my other posts about this.

bearsgonefishin
01-08-2005, 04:27 PM
the box number was 850

that1spunkygirl
01-08-2005, 04:46 PM
The toy plane is not what was originally in the envelope in the safety deposit box.* It is a red herring.* Sawyer put it there to show Kate he has taken out whateveritwas and not let Jack know it.* See my other posts about this.*


I don't think the toy plane was what was in the envelope but I seriously doubt Sawyer had anything to do with the plane. He couldn't get into the case without the key. He never had the key. Kate obviously was familiar with the airplane and wanted it back. The envelope the marshal had in his case said "personal effects" this means items she had on her at the time she was captured. Not evidence from a case against her. I don't think he even knows about her robbing the bank, or if he does, that's not why he's after her. I think she was already on the run then.

bartleby
01-08-2005, 06:10 PM
Not bad though........she's following a trail to find someone, what was in the safety deposit box was supposed to be a clue to finding them.



Claire? Or more specifically Claire's baby...

The Partyman
01-08-2005, 06:34 PM
the box number was 850


Sorry, but actually it was 815.

This has been extensively researched (by myself) and confirmed by one of the writers when he posted on the Linear Board.

banksy
01-08-2005, 07:43 PM
I just thought i should mention that the number found on the plane, 5025, is a metropolitan postcode for an area in South Australia. Was this where Claire was living? Perhaps this was a message for kate... the plane indicating she must fly somewhere to find claire.. the number indicating the area code where she could locate her.

i can't remember what region of australia claire was living in... any thoughts people?

edit: ok i have just done a bit of research.. and i have discovered that 5025 is the area code for both Flinders Park and Kidman Park.. both are areas adjacent to eachother within the city of Adelaide, in South Australia.

WebLass
01-09-2005, 04:43 AM
The Partyman all ready said this, but it was confirmed by Javi (one of the writers) on the LB that the safety deposit box was #815 (just like the flight number) and NOT #850. Both times I heard it, it sounded like #850 to me, but I guess I was wrong if Javi confirmed that it was #815.

~Aimee

1voice
01-09-2005, 11:47 AM
I just thought i should mention that the number found on the plane, 5025, is a metropolitan postcode for an area in South Australia. * Was this where Claire was living? Perhaps this was a message for kate... the plane indicating she must fly somewhere to find claire.. the number indicating the area code where she could locate her.

i can't remember what region of australia claire was living in... any thoughts people?

edit: ok i have just done a bit of research.. and i have discovered that 5025 is the area code for both Flinders Park and Kidman Park.. both are areas adjacent to eachother within the city of Adelaide, in South Australia.


That's extremely interesting....thanks for all the research! Gives me a lot to think about :laugh:

banksy
01-09-2005, 12:47 PM
That's extremely interesting....thanks for all the research! Gives me a lot to think about :laugh:


my pleasure!

i hope the numbers actually mean something! if we are all over-analyzing the small details i will be mightily dissapointed! i have about 30 different theories at the moment... but this one at the moment seems to explain the possible association between some of the castaways.. and parts of their history pre-crash... if anyone knows anymore about claire/// ie. where she lived in australia.. please post!!! thankyou!

Trueogre
01-09-2005, 06:54 PM
Well it's a bit of a coincidence that 815 has come up twice. I wonder if we will see 5025 somewhere...maybe we have we just haven't been paying attention. :D

tanstaafl
01-09-2005, 09:18 PM
Just a thought.

http://www.ameliaearhart.com/

Her plane had numbers written on it. And she vanished in 1937. Just some thoughts. I don't think it is her plane, but what if the little plane Kate picked up has something to do with a real plane of the same number and specs... hrm. :) I am not saying there is a direct connection, but maybe a connection more on themes than anything.

Well, all planes have registration numbers (unless they're in the "small package trade") so I suppose the numbers could be significant. The numbers are probably from whatever aircraft the plane is a model of. Given that the DC-3 (Kate's toy is of a DC-3) was probably the most common aircraft in the world at one point it could connect to almost anything. (There are still DC-3s in service today!)

FWIW, Amelia Earhart's plane was a Lockheed Electra.

tanstaafl
01-09-2005, 09:24 PM
Well it's a bit of a coincidence that 815 has come up twice. I wonder if we will see 5025 somewhere...maybe we have we just haven't been paying attention. :D

There's also an 11:15 running around out there; the time Sun was supposed to make her escape at the airport. Yeah, 1115 != 815, but there is the "15" on the end. Dunno if that means anything though...

LATE
01-09-2005, 09:35 PM
There's also an 11:15 running around out there; the time Sun was supposed to make her escape at the airport. Yeah, 1115 != 815, but there is the "15" on the end. Dunno if that means anything though...


<stretch> We also focus on 15 main characters? </stretch>

Dr. Ironic
01-10-2005, 01:23 AM
Just to add to the scavenger hunt idea, does everyone remember how Kate is ALWAYS volunteering to go out looking whenever she gets the chance? They made too much of a point of it for it not to be significant.

A couple of schools of thought...

She was always just looking for the case and wanted to take every opportunity to do so. (side question, when Kate was talking to the Marshal as he lay dying, did she first try to search him? I don't have the ep with me and can't remember if she was perhaps trying to get the key to the case even then).


Second idea, she is so focused on getting off the island because she has to complete her quest. If she was a criminal, then going back to civilization would be the last thing she would want to do. So her reasons for being so desperate for getting off the island make more sense in light of a possible quest or scavenger hunt. Is her quest time-sensitive?


In any case, the toy plane has to tie into why she is so urgently trying to get off the island.



Doc.

that1spunkygirl
01-10-2005, 01:39 AM
In any case, the toy plane has to tie into why she is so urgently trying to get off the island.


I would imagine that pretty much all of the survivors are desperate to get off the island. :lol2:

Dr. Ironic
01-10-2005, 01:54 AM
I would imagine that pretty much all of the survivors are desperate to get off the island.* :lol2:


True, but Kate seems to be even more focused on attaining this escape from the island. And Jack even made a point about how Kate was always volunteering for the missions to go exploring the island.

Doc.

spooky
01-10-2005, 03:07 AM
I agree, a lot of Kate's actions have been toward getting off the island. Not to mention that she stayed on the beach (presumably, to see rescue planes, keep the signal fire burning, etc). She seems pretty intent on getting off the island, for whatever reason (her and Sayid).

The rest of her time seems to mainly be taken up trying to recover stolen things from Sawyer (water, battery, inhalers, suitcase) and flirting with and/or keeping Jack grounded. Once in a while she helps out in a general sense (folding clothes, getting water, etc).

FWIW, I think she expected to find the toy plane. I have no idea why it would be important, though. The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is that it could somehow help her get off the island; or give her hope/resolve that she can.

Trueogre
01-10-2005, 09:29 AM
It seemed to me that Kate had a real liking for Jack, but now looking at her recent flashback I wonder if it wasn't just a ruse to get into Jack's good books. It's clear who they've chosen as leader and if she becomes really good friends with Jack then she can manipulate him. But he saw through that and now I don't think he trusts Kate at all.

But what keeps confusing me is that Kate helped the Marshall with his mask and she also helped the farmer from burning in the car. Is she really interested in no innocents getting hurt?

bartleby
01-10-2005, 10:55 AM
I would imagine that pretty much all of the survivors are desperate to get off the island. :lol2:



Well, except for Locke. I think Locke would do just about anything to make sure no one left the island.

Trueogre
01-10-2005, 12:55 PM
I've just thought this 815 might be JJ's 47 joke.

If you take one from 8 and 1 from 5 you get 74 turn it around and you get 47.

banksy
01-10-2005, 04:08 PM
i think if he wanted to make a 47 joke... he would be a tad less subtle than that.! ;)

Trueogre
01-10-2005, 04:38 PM
That's how it's done, the numbers are cleverly hidden into the show and only by using a little maths can you find the 47's.

darkpiranha
01-10-2005, 05:48 PM
That's how it's done, the numbers are cleverly hidden into the show and only by using a little maths can you find the 47's.


That's more than just a little math. That's some math and a HUGE leap of imagination. How about 5025? Take the last five, and subtract the two from it. That leaves you three. Subtract that from 50 and that gives you...voila! 47!

Sorry, but it has to be a bit more obvious than that...

Trueogre
01-10-2005, 05:50 PM
:lol2:

WatchDog1217
01-10-2005, 06:27 PM
The fighter plane, is that the type that her dad would've flown on in the army rangers?* I was thinking maybe it had something to do with her dad.* Like maybe she killed him accidentally.* And I know somewhere else on this board, they mentioned that the base he was from was in charge of the pacific rim, and something about flying... sorry, not very clear i know...


I just saw this post... and thought I would expand on that thought.* I posted the following on a different message board just a while ago.* I've been lurking here now and then, but haven't ever posted.* Guess that makes me a fuselage rookie.* :laugh:

Kate said something to the effect that the little airplane was from the man she loved and had killed.* Do you guys remember the episode where she said her dad was in the military (an army ranger, I think), they lived in Washington State (they referenced Ft. Lewis) and they used to hike and go on "survival" trips?

I'm just wondering if the man she "loved and killed"... was her father.* That may explain her attachment to a toy (her father gave it to her when she was a child?).* If that's the case, it would be REALLY interesting... for a few reasons.* She would have to deal with the guilt of somehow killing a parent she was extremely close to... and she and Jack basically would both be responsible for killing their dads.* Although Jack was indirectly responsible, I'm sure he feels like it was all his fault (because his dad couldn't handle being ousted from his doctor (God) role).* Maybe Kate legitimately killed her father... although it was most likely some kind of horrible accident.

Why would the toy plane be significant?* Either just because it was something her father gave to her that she held dear... or because it represented something big in her life.* Was she in the military too (thus, her ability to use a gun and take on multiple robbers)?* Was she a pilot?* Did her dad inspire her to be a pilot?* Lots of questions here.

Oh... and the big question.* Was the Marshal after her for killing her father... or robbing the bank... or both?* I'm guessing she was trying to escape the Marshal for the death of the man she loved (her father).* I figure to take a chance on getting caught robbing a bank for a toy plane... you basically have to have nothing to lose.* If she was already wanted and potentially going to jail for murder... what's the big deal of adding bank robbery on top of that?

grackle
01-10-2005, 06:53 PM
If somebody had given it to her before how did it end up in another's safety deposit box? It would require its value to her to be recognized by somebody else and taken from her. Then she'd have to figure out who had taken it, where they had put it and get their key. For what?

banksy
01-10-2005, 08:19 PM
If somebody had given it to her before how did it end up in another's safety deposit box? It would require its value to her to be recognized by somebody else and taken from her. Then she'd have to figure out who had taken it, where they had put it and get their key. For what?


maybe it was left for her dad but she didnt have permission to access it?

grackle
01-10-2005, 08:23 PM
Certainly possible.

I have failed to come up with any robust theories on it on my own.

creme
01-10-2005, 08:25 PM
She was probably lying about her dad and the survival trips so she didn't have to tell the real story. IIRC, she hesitated before sharing that blurb.

She could have been hesitating from grief at the memory... or buying time to make up the lie in her mind.

darkpiranha
01-10-2005, 09:14 PM
Okay... here's what happened. I've got it all figured out.

Kate's husband/father/lover (hopefully not all one and the same!) has been kidnapped or something. Held for ransom. The ransom was getting the plane out of the safety deposit box and bringing it to the kidnappers or else the hostage dies. There was probably something a bit shady about the circumstances or else Kate would have gone to the police in the first place. Whether or not Kate knew that the item in the box would be a small toy plane is unclear at this time.

She got the plane, escaped from the bank without getting caught and took off to find the kidnappers to make the exchange. What happens next is also cloudy. Was the exchange to be made in Australia all along? I can't see Kate going to Australia just to escape from the law. But, who knows? In any case, she is either late getting to the exchange point, or else they don't show up or something. She is never able to exchange the plane for her dad/lover/husband.


This theory accomplishes a few things. It explains what the marshal might have meant about, "I hope they believe your story."

It explains her urgency in getting the plane back, in that if they DO escape the island, that's the only thing she would want to bring with her, on the off chance she can still make the exchange with the kidnappers.

It explains what she means by "I killed the man I loved". By not bringing the toy plane on time, the deadline passed, and she believes that her lateness probably caused the death of her lover/husband/father. On a side theory, it might have been something Kate did (gambling debt, etc) that caused the kidnappers to do their napping, and that might add another level of guilt and blame for herself, in that her initial action caused the kidnapping which led to that person's death because she was too late.

If the contents of the case were something she was afraid someone might see (incriminating evidence, etc), then she would have just left the case down on the bottom of the lake, with no worries that it might be found. Granted, she might have been worried that if she didn't find it then that someone else would later...


I believe that in later episodes, the toy will be opened (or broken) to reveal some contents inside that even Kate didn't realize were there. Whatever is found will bring closure to her story. I don't think it will be a map or clue to another location, because we wont' be able to follow that story. If it IS a map, albeit a tiny one, it will be a map of the island they are on, probably more detailed than the one Sayid found. The map will also have the coordinates to the island (fat lot of good that will do them now).


Anyway, that's my new theory. I will stand proudly by it. I offer it to you fine folks to throw whatever you want at it. Do your worst!

DP

tanstaafl
01-10-2005, 10:02 PM
I've just thought this 815 might be JJ's 47 joke.

If you take one from 8 and 1 from 5 you get 74 turn it around and you get 47.

Um.... Huh?

47 joke?

:confused:

Trueogre
01-10-2005, 10:09 PM
Something about 47 being the most widely used random number in the universe. It is said that you will encounter the random number 47 more times than any other random number.