Sayid said the tide was moving in quickly, almost too quickly. What could that be about? Something in the water astir?

I don't know about you but that kinda reminded me of the Tsunami in asia....pretty scary stuff

I don't know about you but that kinda reminded me of the Tsunami in asia....pretty scary stuff


I thought about the exact same thing when he said it. This was filmed before the Tsunami so its purely coincidental. About the whole tide rushing in so quickly thing, umm its like Jack said...the island is full of mysteries and strange occurences so who knows

I think it may have been a spring tide:

For example, particularly large tides are experienced in the Earth's oceans when the Sun and the Moon are lined up with the Earth at new and full phases of the Moon. These are called spring tides (the name is not associated with the season of Spring). The amount of enhancement in Earth's tides is about the same whether the Sun and Moon are lined up on opposite sides of the Earth (full Lunar phase) or on the same side (new Lunar phase). Conversely, when the Moon is at first quarter or last quarter phase (meaning that it is located at right angles to the Earth-Sun line), the Sun and Moon interfere with each other in producing tidal bulges and tides are generally weaker; these are called neap tides.

When Sayid said that, I just added it onto the theory that the Earth has ended and they started a new civilization.

it could be caused by a storm out at sea or it could have been caused by one of the earthquakes that are so common in the pacific but the location of the island might rule this out (if we knew where the frilly heck it was!)

it could be caused by a storm out at sea or it could have been caused by one of the earthquakes that are so common in the pacific but the location of the island might rule this out if we knew where the frilly heck it was!)


:lol2:It sucks not know where the island is huh?? :lol2:

The island may not be a natural island. It may be floating. :)

In fact the whole thing may actually slowly rotate, forcing anyone and anything to move.....

The island may not be a natural island.* It may be floating. :)

In fact the whole thing may actually slowly rotate, forcing anyone and anything to move.....

And where did you come up with that theory???

the first thing I thought was
the island is pushing them all towards the jungle
it wants them in the jungle ;D

I really didn't think much of it while I was watching because tides come in and go out all the time. But now that someone has mentioned it, it does seem odd that it happened so quickly.

Jessica

That's what I thought too, Me -- they're being pushed further inland.

the first thing I thought was
the island is pushing them all towards the jungle
it wants them in the jungle ;D


ooo, that's an interesting theory!

What first popped into my mind was that chaos was beginning. The gang's all changing, (Sawyer and Jack are pretty much switching roles), we're starting to get to know the characters more and their deeper secrets. I think it's being reflected on the island or so.

That's what I thought too, Me -- they're being pushed further inland.


Problely towards the mysterious black rock.

The island may not be a natural island.* It may be floating. :)

In fact the whole thing may actually slowly rotate, forcing anyone and anything to move.....


Perhaps it's a ship and it's moving.

Somewhere beyond the sea
She's there watching for me
If I could fly like birds on high
Then straight to her arms I'd go sailing
It's far beyond the stars, it's near beyond the moon

Perhaps it's a spaceship to sail beyond the stars? :laugh:

The island is sinking. ;D (R'yleh?)

Clueless me, not knowing much about tides or such, wonders....
Were the waves were real or computer generated?* I'm guessing real. If the waves were real, were they natural waves that just roll up on that shore once in awhile and the filming company knew when they would roll in and set up to film the scene with the big waves?* If the waves were actually 'unnaturally big' then did they know they were coming? If they didn't know, did they just take advantage of some big old waves and work them into the scene? If the scene was written with the requirement that big waves hit the beach, then they either had good information or got real lucky.* Or was the scene written to take advantage of the unexpected high tide/big waves? I think I took a long time to say that.*

Well, I do know that the tides are charted and the producers would have information available as to when they were coming in and how big they would be to be able to plan. But they seem to use CGI for everything so that's a good answer too.

Although Sayid talked about the waves, I took it more as a foreshadowing reference to possible dramatic changes within the group...

But maybe that's just me ;)

Although Sayid talked about the waves, I took it more as a foreshadowing reference to possible dramatic changes within the group... But maybe that's just me ;)

Not just you. Though it was a very subtle foreshadowing. Jack and Sayid seemed to be having a normal conversation.
"Hey, Sayid, what's up buddy?" "Oh, nothing much. Can't find Danielle or this stupid Black Rock. And the tides have started coming in at an unusual pace. But other than that, we're not too busy down here on the beach." "Well that's good." :D

*lol*

Quite a few of those possibly foreshadowing one-liners in this ep.

But I guess that's OT here =/

They'd be pretty stupid to believe that the tide wouldn't come in. Come if there's sand there's water.

Like some others have said, my first thought was that they beach dwellers were being pushed into the jungle. Don't know why yet, but as many other threads have discussed, it does seem like the island wants them to stay there.

This also makes sense in terms of the fuselage being washed away. Aside from their signal fire, the fuselage would be the most easily identifiable thing to see from the air, so its dissappearance would leave even less of a chance to be spotted by a search party.

Hmm maybe the scary monster went swimming and sent in a bunch of big waves to push the group further inland so he could eat them.....kidding

I think it is a foreshadower to changes within the group and of course the island is messed up on its on anyway so....ya know

They'd be pretty stupid to believe that the tide wouldn't come in. Come if there's sand there's water.




Like Sayid and the diary writer said, that wasn't a normal tide. I get the impression they were all just sitting around, then - boom - 5 feet waves start coming 3/4ths of the way up the beach.

Maybe this is mysterious enough of an answer but i read this in the Notes section at TVTome:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-24313/epid-373403/
The rising tide engulfing the fuselage was done by the producers in order to cut costs and not have to haul it into Hawaii for episodes.

Sounds like a convenient cop-out to me :).

Oooohhhh-000000!!! The water is after them!!! It has already gotten one of them - Joanna. And now it's taking whatever/whoever it can get! The plane, their things, ..... (Toledo?) :lol2: :lol2:

You have to remember that the 'others' WANT to be found by a rescue party.

Why else would they still be transmitting the distress message.

For them to clean the beach of debris to stop a rescue party coming is not what they want. They want something to come so they can get off.

Hence the collection of metal parts of the plane. It probably has the tail section and it was after the cockpit but was interrupted by the pilot.

There has got to be some kind of significance to the story with the high tide. It was a main part of the episode, it has to be some kind of foreshadowing that will lead to another event in later weeks, perhaps a big storm or hurricane is approaching. They haven't encountered anything like that yet, a huge storm could lead to the "others" chance at a suprise mission. I don't think the "others" want to be found, I think they only want people to hear that distress call if they are stuck on the island, like motivation for the people who are stranded to go looking for someone or a power source, causing them to move inland and spread out. Plans for attack maybe.

JazzyJ

Just to clarify what we've been shown so far - I think Danielle wants to be found. *But I think the others do NOT want to be found. *After all, in 16 years Danielle has never even SEEN them. *

it could be caused by a storm out at sea or it could have been caused by one of the earthquakes that are so common in the pacific but the location of the island might rule this out (if we knew where the frilly heck it was!)


This is true. I used to live in Ocean City, NJ and we would get coastal flooding when there were storms out at sea. The Halloween Noreaster of 1991 (Perfect Storm) caused major flooding as did the December 1992 Noreaster.

I agree with Me...

Just to clarify what we've been shown so far - I think Danielle wants to be found. *But I think the others do NOT want to be found. *After all, in 16 years Danielle has never even SEEN them. *


If the Others don't want to be found, then what was Ethan doing hanging out with the Survivors? And why would he have kidnapped Claire? Wouldn't that be almost certain to bring people in to look for her?

Ethan is a spy for the "others" they possibly know what it is like to be newly stranded on an island and the "others" knew that the survivors would be unorganized and would not know who is who for awhile at least. The plane crash landed on their island, someone had to go check it out. Ethan was gaining intell on them, finding out who has what skills and who they would have to keep an eye on. I think that is why Ethan spent so much time with Locke, he saw that Looke was one of the only ones that knew how to handle himself in the wild and wanted to know what to look for or what to expect if Looke were to be after them. Ethan also probably wanted to see if anyone would come for the survivors and also if they had anyway of communicating there location(which is unwanted by the "others"). What better disquise than a fellow flight member that was with you the entire time. Had it not been for the manafest and Hurley's questions to Ethan who knows how long he would have hung around for, sneeking back to the underground world and the "others" to report his findings. The survivors would have been none the wiser.

JazzyJ

if you believe in the whole "island has powers" idea (which I don't), the tide could be the island reclaiming or taking away any connections to civilaization.

I was hoping they'd all make one camp! Kinda dissapointed there.

I was hoping they'd all make one camp! Kinda dissapointed there.


The first thing I said when freckles and Sawyer walked up on the waterfall was, "Hey that's where I'm making camp from now on." I would have everyone help in the construction of Swiss Family Robinson type tree house right there next to the waterfalls.

As interesting as all these theories are, the reality is that they can't have the fuselage on the beach of Hawaii indefinitely, so they had to come up with a graceful way for it to go away. Nothing more than that. After it's gone, I can guarantee you it will never be mentioned again and that none of the characters will ever wonder why the tide came in so fast.

One of the producers (can't remember which one) said as much that they were going to have the fuselage drift away so as to not have to deal with it from a production standpoint anymore.

DP

Sayeed is an ex-military officer for Iraq. Iraq has less coastline than Iowa.

I'm not sure Sayeed's the guy I'd be consulting the tide charts with.

"Jack, I just dicovered another island mystery.The water, taste it. There appears to be a salty flavor unlike any water I have ever had before"

Sayeed is an ex-military officer for Iraq. Iraq has less coastline than Iowa.

I'm not sure Sayeed's the guy I'd be consulting the tide charts with.

"Jack, I just dicovered another island mystery.The water, taste it. There appears to be a salty flavor unlike any water I have ever had before"


I've been lurking for weeks.
I actually registered, just so I could say, "Mr. Tibbs, you are hilarious!" :lol2:

Sayeed is an ex-military officer for Iraq. Iraq has less coastline than Iowa.

I'm not sure Sayeed's the guy I'd be consulting the tide charts with.

"Jack, I just dicovered another island mystery.The water, taste it. There appears to be a salty flavor unlike any water I have ever had before"


Yep, those Iowan tides are rough. :lol2:

I was thinking the same thing. Of all the people to speak with knowledge about tides...

Sayid, the desert dweller? ???

But, Mr. Tibbs, you forgot that Sayid HAD been to Australia, for how long we do not know.

I do actually agree, though.

Sayid seems kinda nerdy :on2long: and knowledgable on just about everything.

I thought about the exact same thing when he said it. This was filmed before the Tsunami so its purely coincidental. About the whole tide rushing in so quickly thing, umm its like Jack said...the island is full of mysteries and strange occurences so who knows


i hear what you're saying... but it's not like a tsunami.. when a tsunami hits, the first thing that happens is the tide going out.. alot.. all the water is sucked back leaving fish flapping on the sand.. and this builds up into an enourmous wave.

So the tide rising might be indicative of the beginning of a typhoon season....

extract taken from http://www.senri-i.or.jp/amcon/typhoon.html :

"Typhoons can inflict terrible damage due to thunderstorms, violent winds, torrential rain and accompanying flooding and landslides, incredible waves, and extremely high tides associated with tidal surges.